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I have to say, Paizo's clearly been listening to people complaining that too many female characters are wearing skimpy/impractical outfits... by giving some of the male archetype illustrations really skimpy/impractical outfits. The Wild Child brawler, the Mutation Warrior fighter (slightly), the Feral Hunter, and the Primal Companion hunter are all dressed this way.
The Wild Child reminded me of Gau from Final Fantasy VI. I presumed given that comparison and the flavor text of the archetype itself it was going for the Tarzan-ish loincloth-and-scars type character anyway.
I will try Swashbuckler for a new campaign, but I am terrified by the HORRIBLE Saving Throws. I have read something about a feat that can help with Will Saves. What feat is it? I Can't find it.Steadfast Personality gives an insight bonus to mind affecting will saves equal to your Charisma bonus.
Yeah, that one, thanks. ^^
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I will try Swashbuckler for a new campaign, but I am terrified by the HORRIBLE Saving Throws. I have read something about a feat that can help with Will Saves. What feat is it? I Can't find it.
Or rather than take Steadfast Personality, do what most people did during the playtest - be a LG Swashbuckler with 2 levels of Paladin ;)
(Alternatively, take levels of a divine class and use Divine Protection if not playing in PFS).
I am really wishing they gave Swashbucklers a second good save. Fortitude would have been justified, since the parent classes are Fighter and Gunslinger. I find it ironic that you can make a more well rounded Swashbuckler with a Daring Champion Cavalier *sigh*
Or rather than take Steadfast Personality, do what most people did during the playtest - be a LG Swashbuckler with 2 levels of Paladin ;)
(Alternatively, take levels of a divine class and use Divine Protection if not playing in PFS).
I am really wishing they gave Swashbucklers a second good save. Fortitude would have been justified, since the parent classes are Fighter and Gunslinger. I find it ironic that you can make a more well rounded Swashbuckler with a Daring Champion Cavalier *sigh*
Actually, swashy is better than daring champion (in my opinion) because Precise Strike is always on while Challenge is a use per day ability. Daring Champion gains a very small subset of swashbuckler deeds, and he gets them a minimum of three levels later than the swashbuckler.
As for the saves bit, I'm playing a Level 1 swashbuckler in PFS. I've done Risen from the Sands 1 and Master of the Fallen Fortress. So far, I haven't felt like I needed a good Fortitude save. Anytime someone bad attacked me with a Fortitude-inducing effect, I simply spent a panache point and used opportune parry and riptose to knock the attack away (usually a poisoned bite). I think I got hit by a bite with poison once and failed a Fort save against troglodyte stench once. We'll see if the need for a better Fortitude save become apparent at higher levels, but I'm going to be cocky and say, "Nah!"
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Hehe, I've said nothing about North Koreans being able to purchase Paizo products. I have no problems with it at all. In fact, I encourage to sell stuff to North Koreans if anyone can (I know, it won't be easy, but again, IF YOU CAN). It's just that it irks me a bit that South Korea, a country that can mostly likely give FAR more profit to Paizo than North Korea, won't have the chance to buy directly from Paizo, while North Koreans can, due to a simple honest ignorance of distinguishing between which Korea is which (S. Korea = Republic of Korea [ROK] and N. Korea = Democratic People's Republic of Korea [DPRK]). That's a bit dumb and unfair, if you ask me.This might a bit embarrassing to Paizo, but it needs to be said; Your South Koreans (Republic of Korea) customers won't be able to purchase your products, while North Koreans (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) customers will be able to.The two dozen North Koreans that have decent internet access perhaps. Have you looked at a satellite image of the Korean peninsula at night?
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Actually, swashy is better than daring champion (in my opinion) because Precise Strike is always on while Challenge is a use per day ability. Daring Champion gains a very small subset of swashbuckler deeds, and he gets them a minimum of three levels later than the swashbuckler.
Actually...Daring Champion gets Precise Strike. At level 4. And can stack his Challenge on top of it. So...he gets less Deeds, and gets them later, but he's got the distinct advantage of getting to stack his level onto damage twice when he feels like it, and getting it added once all the time only one level later.
As for the saves bit, I'm playing a Level 1 swashbuckler in PFS. I've done Risen from the Sands 1 and Master of the Fallen Fortress. So far, I haven't felt like I needed a good Fortitude save. Anytime someone bad attacked me with a Fortitude-inducing effect, I simply spent a panache point and used opportune parry and riptose to knock the attack away (usually a poisoned bite). I think I got hit by a bite with poison once and failed a Fort save against troglodyte stench once. We'll see if the need for a better Fortitude save become apparent at higher levels, but I'm going to be cocky and say, "Nah!"
The issue has more to do with spells than attacks that provoke a Save. And you can't parry spells (though it'd be cool if you could).
I haven't seen it listed anywhere else, but has anyone noticed that the shield champion archetype for the brawler doesn't get weapon proficiency in shields or spiked shields?
I haven't seen it listed anywhere else, but has anyone noticed that the shield champion archetype for the brawler doesn't get weapon proficiency in shields or spiked shields?
Um...
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A shield champion is proficient with all simple weapons. She is also proficient with light armor, and with bucklers, light shields, and heavy shields. This replaces the brawler’s weapon and armor proficiencies.
I'm not sure I see the problem?
Edit: Huh. A shield is treated as a martial weapon while shield bashing. I think I see what you mean now.
Good book but 16 cents per page seems a little costly.
Oh man i totally didn´t read the text of slashing grace.
It´s a far better feat now!
And DEX to damage yeah! I take back what i said upthread.
I still wonder about the weapon focus thing, but it makes a lot more sense now.
Oh man i totally didn´t read the text of slashing grace.
It´s a far better feat now!
And DEX to damage yeah! I take back what i said upthread.
I still wonder about the weapon focus thing, but it makes a lot more sense now.
Did you read the part about how you don't get dex on your attack rolls? Because that's a thing with the feat. In order for the feat to function, you must be at least a level 1 Swashbuckler, or a Daring Champion Cavalier.
Or, you know, the complete lack of support for nearly any of the traditional 'finesse' weapons. Like daggers, shortswords, rapiers, and that sort of thing.
I guess it's true that most 1 handed weapons wouldn't fall into that category (there are a list of weapons besides light ones that it does work on though).
fair enough. I was reading it differently, but going and rereading things helps.
Better still:
Swashbuckler's Finesse + Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Sawtooth Saber) + Weapon Focus (Sawtooth Saber) + Slashing Grace (Sawtooth Saber)
Now you can use Two-Weapon Fighting with the Sawtooth Saber. If you multiclass Swashbuckler 1 / Ranger (Divine Champion 2) and worship the Red Mantis god, you get:
— Weapon Finesse for free (Swashbuckler)
— Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Sawtooth Saber for free (Ranger)
— The Red Mantis Fighting Style at 2nd level, which includes all of the fun two-weapon fighting bits.
If you do Ranger 1, Ranger 2, Swashbuckler 1, you could have proficiency and Weapon Focus at 1st level, Two-Weapon Fighting at 2nd level, and both Weapon Finesse and Slashing Grace at 3rd level.
Enjoy.
Whip 1 gp 1d2 1d3 ×2 — 2 lbs. S Disarm, nonlethal, reach, trip
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Benefit: With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls. If you carry a shield, its armor check penalty applies to your attack rolls.Special: Natural weapons are considered light weapons.
Yup, works. Go forth Indy!
I have to say, Paizo's clearly been listening to people complaining that too many female characters are wearing skimpy/impractical outfits... by giving some of the male archetype illustrations really skimpy/impractical outfits. The Wild Child brawler, the Mutation Warrior fighter (slightly), the Feral Hunter, and the Primal Companion hunter are all dressed this way.The Wild Child reminded me of Gau from Final Fantasy VI. I presumed given that comparison and the flavor text of the archetype itself it was going for the Tarzan-ish loincloth-and-scars type character anyway.
The surprising thing here is that the Wild Child does not lose any armor or shield proficiencies from the base Brawler class. If any archetype should have a reason to refuse to wear armor, this one does. A monk-like wisdom bonus to unarmored AC would be highly appropriate.
His class skills have only specific performs. At least that's my guess.A couple of things,
1. If the skald uses horns why aren't wind instruments under his skills and versatile performance features?
2 Lute of The Battle Ready: they heard our prayers! :) though may I ask why they are giving a time duration when they could (should) be useful at will.
There is an entire archetype based around a skald with a warhorn, but the archetype doesn't even add wind instruments to his skills/versatile performance. It doesn't surprise me that they would limit instrument selections for a skald (although warhorn does seem odd to remove), however it does seem like an oversight that the archetype didn't add it.
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The surprising thing here is that the Wild Child does not lose any armor or shield proficiencies from the base Brawler class. If any archetype should have a reason to refuse to wear armor, this one does. A monk-like wisdom bonus to unarmored AC would be highly appropriate.
I think hide makes a perfect rp choice here too though.
just saw flexible wizardry(and its improved version), yeah wizards should be fine.
Did you read the part about how you don't get dex on your attack rolls? Because that's a thing with the feat. In order for the feat to function, you must be at least a level 1 Swashbuckler, or a Daring Champion Cavalier.Or, you know, the complete lack of support for nearly any of the traditional 'finesse' weapons. Like daggers, shortswords, rapiers, and that sort of thing.
I refer to myself upthread, where i complained about no other DEX to damage than cervish dance. I had not read the feat then, only the overview table. But i also wrote it, because i didn´t see any way then dervish dance to get DEX to damage there. And it seems still not to exist for normal swashbuckler weapons. That´s a bit odd somehow.
Yes, there is some stuff missing in the write-up of the benefit.
Like if only swashbucklers and similar classes/archetypes can use it or if it´s just accessible with weapon finesse for full use, meaning attack and damage with DEX.
One could make an awesome human DEX fighter then at level 1! And i would really love that solution. I saw your thread and i also saw Buhlmahns solution. If it would only apply to rapiers, it would be very, very sad. Anyway, this should just get errataed somehow very fast.
Dervish Dance and Slashing Grace do 100% not stack. There´s enough precedence for stuff like that. The language is also quite clear about it.
As i didn´t read the whole book, i´m not saying it´s bad. Only some things confuse me at the moment, partially because i didn´t read everything probably.
Playtest swashbuckler and tell me how it goes. Bloodrager is bad at everything is why. Bad spellcasting and melee. It's an even worse magus
Tenth level. One attack. One throwing knife. One grit point. 1d4 + str + 20 and no attack penalty. How's your fighter or barbarian compare?