I thought Brigh was a full up God but she only has four domains so she is a demi-god.
Odd you are correct maybe they will fix it in the upcoming Iron Gods AP.
I must confess I regret that the text about Iomedae loathing "fiend-spawn" remains uncomfortably open as to what qualifies for that term. :(
Has anyone here informed the tech crew that the review here is a spam post?
After reading your post, I looked... I didn't see anyway to report it from the review tab. How would someone go about reporting that blatant Spam?
Edit: The Spammer apparently created his/her account solely for the purpose of making that Spam review post too. :-(
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I love how Desna's servitors are even more "buggy" and alien in ways than Calistria's vengeance demons.
There's something awesome about celestial fairies whose anatomy doesn't work quite "right" and have mouths coated with venom. :D
And man, between this and Chronicle of the Righteous...NG celestials really hate them some thanadaemons. ;)
I thought Brigh was a full up God but she only has four domains so she is a demi-god.Odd you are correct maybe they will fix it in the upcoming Iron Gods AP.
I'm fairly certain it's intentional; not something that will be corrected.
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After reading your post, I looked... I didn't see anyway to report it from the review tab. How would someone go about reporting that blatant Spam?
Usually at customer.service@paizo.com, but we also have a thread in Website Feedback, where we have already brought it up.
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The review of this product needs to be removed. It is a spambot.
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Wow. Not only is the review a spammer, but he only gave the book a one! Those spammers can be brutal.
I love how Desna's servitors are even more "buggy" and alien in ways than Calistria's vengeance demons.
Well it makes sense Calistria just likes wasps she is not a fanatic about them.
She is not also really a giant alien bug thing pretending to be a elf like Desna.
I must confess I regret that the text about Iomedae loathing "fiend-spawn" remains uncomfortably open as to what qualifies for that term. :(
Given how the entries for the different tiefling heritages featured in Blood of Fiends are all named x-spawn (x being the type of fiend, such as devils, demons, kytons, etc.), I fear her loathing might include tieflings. If that is indeed the case, that's bad news for my tiefling inquisitor of Iomedae.
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I must confess I regret that the text about Iomedae loathing "fiend-spawn" remains uncomfortably open as to what qualifies for that term. :(Given how the entries for the different tiefling heritages featured in Blood of Fiends are all named x-spawn (x being the type of fiend, such as devils, demons, kytons, etc.), I fear her loathing might include tieflings. If that is indeed the case, that's bad news for my tiefling inquisitor of Iomedae.
Bad news for my Iomedaean tiefling paladin and his cleric sister in Wrath of the Righteous too. Especially they both have the "Touched by Divinity" trait.
I seriously doubt she's intended to be racist against tieflings though, as it goes squarely against everything else said about her as well as James Jacobs' words about the subject. My only real concern there is that it could wind up being interpreted that way by some, not just locking out Iomedaean paladins in some groups but also leading to Iomedae being protrayed as a hateful "good in name only" type. Basically interpreting Iomedae as something that belongs in Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man rather than the genuinely Good archetypal paladin god she's intended to be.
I'm not so much worried about Iomedae getting derailed or Iomedaean tieflings getting declared noncanon so much as wishing that sentence had been worded a bit differently. :)
I'm not so much worried about Iomedae getting derailed or Iomedaean tieflings getting declared noncanon so much as wishing that sentence had been worded a bit differently. :)
It's certainly a sentence that'll be worded differently for the purpose of any campaign I run. It'd be interesting to hear from the folks at Paizo how the sentence is to be interpreted in official Golarion.
Message to mods:- the review that is posted up there - you may want to remove it...... Mind you - astrology in Golarion may be MORE reliable :-)
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I must confess I regret that the text about Iomedae loathing "fiend-spawn" remains uncomfortably open as to what qualifies for that term. :(Given how the entries for the different tiefling heritages featured in Blood of Fiends are all named x-spawn (x being the type of fiend, such as devils, demons, kytons, etc.), I fear her loathing might include tieflings. If that is indeed the case, that's bad news for my tiefling inquisitor of Iomedae.Bad news for my Iomedaean tiefling paladin and his cleric sister in Wrath of the Righteous too. Especially they both have the "Touched by Divinity" trait.
I seriously doubt she's intended to be racist against tieflings though, as it goes squarely against everything else said about her as well as James Jacobs' words about the subject. My only real concern there is that it could wind up being interpreted that way by some, not just locking out Iomedaean paladins in some groups but also leading to Iomedae being protrayed as a hateful "good in name only" type. Basically interpreting Iomedae as something that belongs in Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man rather than the genuinely Good archetypal paladin god she's intended to be.
I'm not so much worried about Iomedae getting derailed or Iomedaean tieflings getting declared noncanon so much as wishing that sentence had been worded a bit differently. :)
Having read the fifth book of WoTR, can't say I'm surprised. Sad they decided to make her more the lawful stupid goddess.
At least Erastil isn't misogynistic any more. Small victories
If I remember correctly these articles are written from the point of view of Imoedae's faithful, and not Imoedae herself. So in actuality it's her faithful that would be racist, and considering the centerfold in Faith's and Philosophy's I wouldn't be surprised if they took the whole fight against evil to the extreme.
In actuality considering her relationship with Ragathiel I think Imoedae herself would gladly accept willing tieflings into her faith, the problem would be that she is busy enough with the fight in the worldwound that she doesn't have the time to deal with extremists in her religion. In addition it's not like such a thing doesn't happen, look at the cult of the dawnflower for a good deity's religion taken to the most evil limit.
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Reading over the book there seems to have been a change of stance in regards to Saranae worship in Taldor (Were apparently there are now many churches and appears to be an accepted religion) as well as how the dawnflower cult works (None of which seem to be close to evil which seems a bit odd giving there stance on things)
If I remember correctly these articles are written from the point of view of Imoedae's faithful, and not Imoedae herself. So in actuality it's her faithful that would be racist, and considering the centerfold in Faith's and Philosophy's I wouldn't be surprised if they took the whole fight against evil to the extreme.
It seems odd, though, for the priesthood in its entirety to have this point of view if their goddess doesn't have a problem with tieflings at all. A faction within the church (overly zealous witch hunters and certain knighthoods), sure, but the entire priesthood? If the articles in Inner Sea Gods are indeed written from the point of view of the faithful, then surely they contain the most widely known aspects of the faith. The important parts, if you will.
Iomedae has been a goddess for much longer than the Mendevian Crusades have existed, and you'd think that her doctrines would be well established by now. Meaning that if Iomedae embraces tieflings into her ranks of priests and warriors, the church as a whole would as well, even if certain extremist elements within the Mendevian Crusades don't.
All this to say that I'm slightly concerned by the mention of her loathing fiend-spawn. From a canon standpoint, that is. It's my game so I can tweak it however I wish for my own games. :)
There is also the factor that for a long time the mendevian crusade hunted down tieflings seeing them as agents of the worldwound until recently when a few tieflings demonstrated otherwise. After which many more were accepted to the advantage/disadvantage of the Crusade.
So anything new or useful for followers of Groetus ?
Brigh ?Groteus clerics get to prepare Fear as a 4th level spell and and those with the Madness or Void domain get to prepare Lesser Confusion and Confusion as 2nd and 4th level spells respectfully.
The both got religious traits.
Groteus got access to the new Stars subdomain.
The both may have got feats I did not see any though on my skim through.
Is Groetus trait just a reprint of Broken Mind ?
Is Groetus trait just a reprint of Broken Mind ?So anything new or useful for followers of Groetus ?
Brigh ?Groteus clerics get to prepare Fear as a 4th level spell and and those with the Madness or Void domain get to prepare Lesser Confusion and Confusion as 2nd and 4th level spells respectfully.
The both got religious traits.
Groteus got access to the new Stars subdomain.
The both may have got feats I did not see any though on my skim through.
It is. Which is a +2 on saves vs madness and confusion effects.
Brigh gets Nimble Fingers, Keen Mind which gives you +1 on Disable Device checks and makes it a class skill.
One of the things that surprise me and I think reveal for the first time is Razmir is getting divine support by ....
Also I am wondering if Brigh only as 4 domains because she might be...
Iron Gods Spoiler
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Huh, I went through the Iomedae article during development, and looks like that sentence got imported unchanged from the original article in Council of Thieves. Sorry about that -- I really should have made sure to clarify.
My understanding (of course, James can confirm or correct), is that while Iomedae doesn't have the same focus on redemption as Sarenrae (who, I think, is pretty delighted whenever anyone whose heritage or other factors predisposes them toward evil decides to serve her or other good deities), that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe in it.
As there's been more tiefling material, "spawn" has come to have a more precise meaning (the oni-spawn, etc. tiefling subtypes in Blood of Fiends), whereas I suspect that, back in 2009, it was a badass-sounding way to say "fiends and similar creatures."
I can't imagine that Iomedae would reject a tiefling paladin.
So, that sentence should probably read, "She loathes incorrigible evil, fiends, traitors, and those who abuse good in the name of “greater” good."
I'll check in with James on Monday to make sure that usage of "spawn" wasn't intentional in the original article.
That spammy "review" is still there. Can someone in authority remove it? Or is it there no way to remove reviews? Is it going to be stuck there forever?
That spammy "review" is still there. Can someone in authority remove it? Or is it there no way to remove reviews? Is it going to be stuck there forever?
Chill, they can remove it. It's the weekend (and Easter weekend for anyone who celebrates it), anyone with access to is probably busy. Just wait 'till Monday.
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Huh, I went through the Iomedae article during development, and looks like that sentence got imported unchanged from the original article in Council of Thieves. Sorry about that -- I really should have made sure to clarify.
My understanding (of course, James can confirm or correct), is that while Iomedae doesn't have the same focus on redemption as Sarenrae (who, I think, is pretty delighted whenever anyone whose heritage or other factors predisposes them toward evil decides to serve her or other good deities), that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe in it.
As there's been more tiefling material, "spawn" has come to have a more precise meaning (the oni-spawn, etc. tiefling subtypes in Blood of Fiends), whereas I suspect that, back in 2009, it was a badass-sounding way to say "fiends and similar creatures."
I can't imagine that Iomedae would reject a tiefling paladin.
So, that sentence should probably read, "She loathes incorrigible evil, fiends, traitors, and those who abuse good in the name of “greater” good."
I'll check in with James on Monday to make sure that usage of "spawn" wasn't intentional in the original article.
Ah, thank you!
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I must confess I regret that the text about Iomedae loathing "fiend-spawn" remains uncomfortably open as to what qualifies for that term. :(She's just so uptight that's how she ends up pronouncing love.
Lets not forget the event in Wrath 5~ SPOILERS!
I hate to sound like a cheapskate, but the price of the PDF is a bit of a put-off. $27.99 is a bit much for a PDF. The book is selling on Amazon* for $28.06. Paizo is one of the few larger companies that treats their customers well. The price on this PDF feels like a departure from the normal treatment.
*Release date on Amazon is May 13.
As has been mentioned before in this thread, the cheaper pdfs are only for the core line of rulebooks and the Inner Sea World Guide (since it's kind of the primary source of setting info). The pricing on this follows the same pricing structure as the rest of the Campaign Setting books, it just costs more as it's hardcover. Same thing happened with Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition.
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I was going to buy this book, but the reviews suggest otherwise. I think I should spend the money on getting my love back.
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Huh, I went through the Iomedae article during development, and looks like that sentence got imported unchanged from the original article in Council of Thieves. Sorry about that -- I really should have made sure to clarify.
My understanding (of course, James can confirm or correct), is that while Iomedae doesn't have the same focus on redemption as Sarenrae (who, I think, is pretty delighted whenever anyone whose heritage or other factors predisposes them toward evil decides to serve her or other good deities), that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe in it.
As there's been more tiefling material, "spawn" has come to have a more precise meaning (the oni-spawn, etc. tiefling subtypes in Blood of Fiends), whereas I suspect that, back in 2009, it was a badass-sounding way to say "fiends and similar creatures."
I can't imagine that Iomedae would reject a tiefling paladin.
So, that sentence should probably read, "She loathes incorrigible evil, fiends, traitors, and those who abuse good in the name of “greater” good."
I'll check in with James on Monday to make sure that usage of "spawn" wasn't intentional in the original article.
She would absolutely not reject a tiefling paladin.
And yeah, I suspect that the original use of the word "spawn" was just flavor meant to refer to fiends in general.
It's not meant to mean that she is intolerant of all tieflings at all, but neither should one assume that tiefling worshipers of Iomedae are common. They aren't. They do exist though.
And remember, in pretty much ALL CASES where we present something about a religion or organization or race that approaches hyperbole, that's usually meant to refer to NPCs. PCs break rules. That's part of what makes them, in-world, unique characters.
It's kind of crazy that, due to her having her Demonic Obedience listed in Book of the Damned 2, you know have four unique options if you want to play a prestige class devoted to Lamashtu: Demoniac, Sentinel, Evangelist, and Exalted. Four different paths a cultist can take to serve the same horrifying patron.
It's kind of crazy that, due to her having her Demonic Obedience listed in Book of the Damned 2, you know have four unique options if you want to play a prestige class devoted to Lamashtu: Demoniac, Sentinel, Evangelist, and Exalted. Four different paths a cultist can take to serve the same horrifying patron.
One of the many perks of being the Goddess of Demons, one can assume.
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Im trying to picture an Evangelist of Lamashtu. I cant seem to do it.
Imagine a very pregnant gnoll screaming at the top of her lungs, that's about what you'd get.
I'll bet Manu Baba knew all about fiend spawns and Iomedae. Guy wrote a thorough review, you just know HE knew the answer. Well, if he wasn't busy getting someones love back anyway. After all, he promised.....
It's kind of crazy that, due to her having her Demonic Obedience listed in Book of the Damned 2, you know have four unique options if you want to play a prestige class devoted to Lamashtu: Demoniac, Sentinel, Evangelist, and Exalted. Four different paths a cultist can take to serve the same horrifying patron.
Now I want to write up a full adventuring party of Lamashtites.
What are the prerequisites for Exalted?
Alignment: Same as chosen deity.
Deity: Must worship a single specific deity.Feats: Deific Obedience, Skill Focus: Knowledge(Religion).
Skills: Diplomacy 5 Ranks, Knowledge(Religion) 5 Ranks.
Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level divine spells.
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Can't April 30th come any faster? I have to wait for the PDF to be available.
Im trying to picture an Evangelist of Lamashtu. I cant seem to do it.Imagine a very pregnant gnoll screaming at the top of her lungs, that's about what you'd get.
Nah. She wouldn't have the breath in late pregnancy. Actually giving birth though, expect a stream of invective that would make a sailor blush.
Im trying to picture an Evangelist of Lamashtu. I cant seem to do it.Imagine a very pregnant gnoll screaming at the top of her lungs, that's about what you'd get.
Right - just watch Daytime television, you'll get the idea.
Also, not a prestige class, but the original Lamashtu article has the "Ashvawg Tamer" druid alternate class.
Are their Deific Obedience for gods outside of the core gods ?
Like Groetus for example ???
Asked this earlier...but it got lost in the potion discussion.
Does the Evangelist look like a good way to represent a Wizard/Priest of a god of magic (Nethys/Lissala) ???