Sean K Reynolds Designer, RPG Superstar Judge |
xevious573 |
xevious573 wrote:A very verbose investigation.Divine Obedience is a feat prerequisite for all the prestige classes, so my guess is that you probably would be able to get the obediences without the prestige class. That's just my guess though.
I thank you for your answer, I suppose this was said in the hour after Wes was on? I didn't quite have the time to listen to the full video. All I knew is that the second tier ability of the Sentinel Obedience specifically mentions sentinel levels in it which doesn't quite assuage my slight fears but we shall see the full details soon enough.
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
Steven "Troll" O'Neal |
Steven "Troll" O'Neal wrote:I thank you for your answer, I suppose this was said in the hour after Wes was on? I didn't quite have the time to listen to the full video. All I knew is that the second tier ability of the Sentinel Obedience specifically mentions sentinel levels in it which doesn't quite assuage my slight fears but we shall see the full details soon enough.xevious573 wrote:A very verbose investigation.Divine Obedience is a feat prerequisite for all the prestige classes, so my guess is that you probably would be able to get the obediences without the prestige class. That's just my guess though.
Yeah, it was in the second hour, they did a review of the book. I'm not sure about the Sentinel bonuses. I suppose you could half the bonus based on your class level for the purposes.
Dylos |
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The hosts of Know Direction a couple of nights ago shared their reservations about the Evangelist prestige class. Did anyone else listen to that segment? If so, what do you think?
They didn't know if the Evangelist PrC gets their original class's spell progression. Can anyone clear that up?
Their review was interesting and makes me really really want to see the text for the actual class.
And for what it's worth, the way they described it, I think it does increase spell progression, because spells is listed under class abilities in every single class that gets spells, even if they don't have spells written on the table as a class ability.
But then I did resub for this book and Inner Sea Combat, so I am very excited about flipping though it in any case.
EDIT:I'm convinced Evangelist does increase spell caster levels, look back at the interview at 25:39 when they show the Iomedae page. Under the third ability for the Evangelist boon, it mentions a multiclassed Wizard5/Evangelist9 casting lightning bolt, and saying that it deals 10d6 damage, therefore the Prestige Class must be increasing his caster level.
Mechalibur |
EDIT:I'm convinced Evangelist does increase spell caster levels, look back at the interview at 25:39 when they show the Iomedae page. Under the third ability for the Evangelist boon, it mentions a multiclassed Wizard5/Evangelist9 casting lightning bolt, and saying that it deals 10d6 damage, therefore the Prestige Class must be increasing his caster level.
Woah, nice catch.
Joseph Wilson |
Is the price for the pdf accurate here? Usually the hard back books go for much less in pdf form then their paperback cousins. Is there a reason for the price increase or is it hopefully a typo?
The $9.99 pdf priced hardcovers only goes for the Rulebook line and the Inner Sea World Guide (as, essentially, the core introductory product for the campaign setting). Other hardcovers follow the normal print to pdf pricing ratio. See the Rise of the Runelords hardcover for a precedent.
doc the grey |
doc the grey wrote:Is the price for the pdf accurate here? Usually the hard back books go for much less in pdf form then their paperback cousins. Is there a reason for the price increase or is it hopefully a typo?The $9.99 pdf priced hardcovers only goes for the Rulebook line and the Inner Sea World Guide (as, essentially, the core introductory product for the campaign setting). Other hardcovers follow the normal print to pdf pricing ratio. See the Rise of the Runelords hardcover for a precedent.
Ehh but I think that price is more of a mark of it being not just a hardback but a compilation of 6 other books updated to pathfinder as part of an anniversary celebration more than anything else. Have they done any other hardbacks outside of Rise that fall outside of the norm that mark this precedent or is this the only one?
Enlight_Bystand |
Joseph Wilson wrote:Ehh but I think that price is more of a mark of it being not just a hardback but a compilation of 6 other books updated to pathfinder as part of an anniversary celebration more than anything else. Have they done any other hardbacks outside of Rise that fall outside of the norm that mark this precedent or is this the only one?doc the grey wrote:Is the price for the pdf accurate here? Usually the hard back books go for much less in pdf form then their paperback cousins. Is there a reason for the price increase or is it hopefully a typo?The $9.99 pdf priced hardcovers only goes for the Rulebook line and the Inner Sea World Guide (as, essentially, the core introductory product for the campaign setting). Other hardcovers follow the normal print to pdf pricing ratio. See the Rise of the Runelords hardcover for a precedent.
The other precedent is the old Pathfinder Campaign Setting book, which was a standard PDF pricing .
Paizo have confirmed upthread that the $28 is correct.
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Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:In-universe, I suppose there's nothing stopping Asmodean Hellknights or even signifer clerics from calling themselves paladins.Exactamundo. :)
In my Jade Regent game, we had a cavalier who called himself a Paladin of Cayden Cailean, the Cleric/Bard of Cayden heartily endorsed him too!
brad2411 |
Mine have usually shipped anywhere from 3 to 6 days from the point of order creation, Here's to hoping it ships soon :D
I'm betting it'll be today or tomorrow.
I normal get mine monday or tuesday after the authorization. Normally if the authorization is done on thursday I get the shipment email monday. But it authorized on friday, hoping for monday but expecting tuesday.
Aaron Scott 139 |
Today is the day shipping begins for subscribers! :)
Odd. I have the notice from last week about getting part 2 of Mummy's Mask shipping this week but nothing was mentioned about the book. In the past they get bundled together typically. Is there a way to check and see if this is part of my subscription service?
zergtitan |
zergtitan wrote:Today is the day shipping begins for subscribers! :)Odd. I have the notice from last week about getting part 2 of Mummy's Mask shipping this week but nothing was mentioned about the book. In the past they get bundled together typically. Is there a way to check and see if this is part of my subscription service?
well from this link it is stated that shipping begins today and for subscribers ends on the 25th.
......Just realized it says estimated. :P I just jumped the gun.
Sean K Reynolds Designer, RPG Superstar Judge |
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They still didn't fix the HD issue with Pharasma's herald.
She had and still has 19 HD and thus cannot be summoned by Greater Planar Ally, unlike every other herald except the Tarrasque.
Emissary (Ex) Heralds can always be summoned by the faithful using greater planar ally or gate, regardless of limitations of that spell, even if it’s not an outsider.—Herald subtype, Inner Sea Gods, page 275.
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What's are the artwork like, everyone?
Variable. There's some really cool pieces, including depictions of temples to most of the core deities and some really nice chapter openers. There's also reused art from the various deity articles (entirely expected given the book's size) and a few sorta-funky pictures. By and large, though, it's a really nice looking book.
Is it set up like the bestiary books?
Not really.
It starts with large, multi-part entries on the core deities. They each get a general info listing, obedience with boons (something I'm very pleased to have for them), general info, info on their church, info on their temples/shrines, info on their priests, info on adventurers that follow them, info on clothing their faithful wear, info on their holy text, info on their holidays, aphorisms used by their faitfhul, relations between them and other religions, info on their divine realm, and info on planar allies that can be summoned by their worshippers. Ones with paladins or antipaladins get sidebars for codes. Each one gets a sidebar with a list of suggested character-creation options and any variant spellcasting that the deity's worshippers might have. These sections are about 8 pages per deity.
After that is the 'other deities' section that includes info on deities that don't fall into other categories like Empyreal Lord, Archdevil, or the like. They each get a column, two to a page, with their general info-block (no obediences), info on the deity, and info on variant spellcasting their worshippers have.
Next chapter is character options. Three prestige classes (Evangelist, Exalted, and Sentinel, each of which can get different special boons from the core deities), Feats (a pretty large number of them), religion traits (I think all the deities from the first two chapters each get one, and then there's some for groups of other deities like 'any elemental lord', though I haven't actually gone through and confirmed this), subdomains (four pages worth), Spells (several, some deities get multiple), and magic items (lots, including a whole new type: Altars)
Then there's a bestiary-like section that includes the Herald of each core deity and an outsider servant-type for each core deity, sorted alphabetically by deity. This means all the 3.5 heralds are finally updated, and there's several cool new outsiders.
Then there's the appendix, which has deity entries (including name, alignment, title, areas of concern, domains, subdomains, favored weapon, symbol, sacred animal, and sacred colors) for nearly all of the deities and demigods that are out. The ones (at least from a cursory lookover) not on it are the dead ones, the Tian Xia deities, the sorta-but-not-totally-retconned ones like Tiamat and the not-a-deity ancestor spirits / totem animals, and the ones only named in bestiaries / tangential mention (like the Psychopomp Ushers, Kyton Demagogues, Vudrani deities, etc).
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Evangelist chooses one of five deity-associated classes. They gain all the class features of a level from that class for each level past first that they get in Evangelist. They also get special deity-specific obedience-based powers, gain a small dodge bonus to AC (though being a Dodge bonus, it stacks, which is nice), gain languages, gains sacred or profane bonuses to skills, and as a capstone gain a spiritual form with customizable bonuses. It's basically a highly-customizable class for people who want their characters to be flavorfully connected to a specific deity. 6+ INT skills.
Exalted is for divine casters who directly match up alignment-wise with their deity. They become clearly marked as a servant to their deity and (like evangelists) get special obedience-performance boons per deity (though they get different ones than the evangelists do). They get social bonuses when talking about their faith, pick a domain from their deity to gain access to and cast spells from as spell-like-abilities, have their form change to match up with the ideal aspects of their deity's servants (assorted cool transhuman visual bits, but they make you harder to disguise and confer no direct mechanical advantage), gain a permanent alignment-protection aura, can discern who enemies of their faith are, and, as a capstone, get a once-per-day miracle ability that can replicate up to 6th/5th level spells or produce greater effects in exchange for a 10,000 GP sacrifice (so long as the miracle they're going for aligns with their deity's will, examples include full-hp rez, teleport without error, save a town from a disaster, etc). Full divine casting.
Sentinel is a martial prestige class. It also gets its own obedience/boon set and specializes in its deity's favored weapon. They get attack/damage bonuses with that weapon, gain initiative bonuses when wielding the weapon, can align their weapons, gain a save bonus versus divine, gain a sacred/profane bonus to combat maneuvers with the favored weapon, gain leadership as a bonus feat (with no penalties from moving around a lot, but double penalties for off-alignment cohorts), and a capstone that gives deity-alignment-based DR, stay-awake-while-at-negative-HP, and self-cure-critical once per day as a swift action. Full BAB.
Lord Gadigan |
Same. I'm overall pleased with the book, but I hunger for more info on them and the other extraplanar demigods that info is lacking on (Kyton Demagogues in particular).
There is, at least, a new Psychopomp in here: The Ahmuuth, which is the planar-servant for Pharasma. It's CR 4 and helps hunt down undead and renegade souls; they're known for actively helping Pharasmins in doing these things.
Axial |
Same. I'm overall pleased with the book, but I hunger for more info on them and the other extraplanar demigods that info is lacking on (Kyton Demagogues in particular).
There is, at least, a new Psychopomp in here: The Ahmuuth, which is the planar-servant for Pharasma. It's CR 4 and helps hunt down undead and renegade souls; they're known for actively helping Pharasmins in doing these things.
Oh, sweet. What do they look like?
Lord Gadigan |
Do minor deities (in particular, Besmara) get boons and obediences as well? Or is it just core deities and the Empyreal lords?
Just core deities, Empyreal Lords, and Demon Lords.
Besmara gets two traits, an armor, and two hats (one of which feels like I've seen it before). She also gets rules for her Clerics to prepare Lesser Geas as a 4th level spell and to cast a variant Curse of Disgust that only applies to aversions to boats/ships/open bodies of water as a 5th level spell.
Oh, sweet. What do they look like?
Women with white hair that flows upwards, a white bird mask with a slot at the bottom for the mouth, a dress of shadowy black feathers, a dagger, and two gravestones floating in orbit around them (sorta upside-down-monolith-like with glowing-purple cracks running through them).
Dylos |
Ok, if I am reading this right, any deity who has an obedience can be taken for the three prestige classes in this book.
Deific Obedience seems to allow a character to take an Empyreal Lord's Obedience, just as if they had taken Celestial Obedience, and the three classes seem to allow a character to get the boons from the Empyreal Lord as well.
Can someone confirm/deny this? Can I really have an Arshea worshiping Evangelist/Exalted/Sentinel?
Lord Gadigan |
I'd allow it. Empyreal Lords are called out in the 'deities' category of the index, they grant spells, they have domains just like any other deity, and they've got obedience lists. I could see someone arguing against it on the grounds that they lack specific 'evangelist boons', 'exalted boons', and 'sentinel boons', but I'd just give all three the same list of boons.