paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG) Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG) Discussion2021-11-14T01:46:17Z2021-11-14T01:46:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)raggedyavatar1116https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#982016-06-27T06:55:03Z2016-06-27T06:55:03Z<p>I downloaded the pdf for this and it seems I'm missing a map. Is there supposed to be a map of Hope's Hollow, since there are actual encounter areas H (Sorrow from Beyond) and I (Mother's Care Home for Invalids)? I do have the tactical map for the Invalid home.</p>I downloaded the pdf for this and it seems I'm missing a map. Is there supposed to be a map of Hope's Hollow, since there are actual encounter areas H (Sorrow from Beyond) and I (Mother's Care Home for Invalids)? I do have the tactical map for the Invalid home.raggedyavatar11162016-06-27T06:55:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Pathfinder Jenkinshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#972015-11-22T15:36:49Z2015-11-22T15:36:49Z<p>The Supplements for this Adventure box on page 5 states in part:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>However, the monster on page 23 is called out from that book but doesn't have a stat block.</p>The Supplements for this Adventure box on page 5 states in part:
[Spoiler omitted]
However, the monster on page 23 is called out from that book but doesn't have a stat block.Pathfinder Jenkins2015-11-22T15:36:49ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Pexxhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#962015-04-15T19:50:59Z2015-04-15T19:50:59Z<p>Maybe I am missing something, but are there flip mats or map packs that go along with the module without the labels in them? </p>
<p>It's hard for my group not to metagame with a big dotted T square labeled for traps and that sort of thing etc... I have the ground floor map without labels, but what about all the other maps?</p>Maybe I am missing something, but are there flip mats or map packs that go along with the module without the labels in them?
It's hard for my group not to metagame with a big dotted T square labeled for traps and that sort of thing etc... I have the ground floor map without labels, but what about all the other maps?Pexx2015-04-15T19:50:59ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#952015-01-20T04:25:36Z2015-01-20T04:25:36Z<p>Thanks for the question, Ashram!</p>
<p>My understanding is that antipaladins don't need a specific deity, same as other divine classes might venerate a concern or set or domains. Certainly, Luersa betrayed her deity and stopped believing in anything but evil and the destruction of her rival faith.</p>
<p>If you feel you really want to nominate a deity for her to sell herself out to, use any evil deity you think would deal with the daemons, but I'd say the Horsemen Famine. Not only is that my persona on my writing team, but Anobaith clearly deals in people who are fixated on a need—a form of spiritual starvation.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>Thanks for the question, Ashram!
My understanding is that antipaladins don't need a specific deity, same as other divine classes might venerate a concern or set or domains. Certainly, Luersa betrayed her deity and stopped believing in anything but evil and the destruction of her rival faith.
If you feel you really want to nominate a deity for her to sell herself out to, use any evil deity you think would deal with the daemons, but I'd say the Horsemen Famine. Not only is that my persona on...Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)2015-01-20T04:25:36ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Ashramhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#942015-01-10T10:57:01Z2015-01-10T10:57:01Z<p>Quick necro question for Steven Helt: What deity would you ascribe to Luersa? Seeing as antipaladins need a patron deity in Pathfinder and in keeping with the context of the adventure, she'd likely worship one of the archdaemons or possibly some NE deity.</p>Quick necro question for Steven Helt: What deity would you ascribe to Luersa? Seeing as antipaladins need a patron deity in Pathfinder and in keeping with the context of the adventure, she'd likely worship one of the archdaemons or possibly some NE deity.Ashram2015-01-10T10:57:01ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)The Evil Queen (alias of Sincubus)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#932014-06-04T07:51:39Z2014-06-01T11:24:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">shadowkras wrote:</div><blockquote><p> @Evil Queen
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Hey, i didnt know that a Delgeth was evil, that actually matches my plans for the encounter. I was planning to ignore the "neutral and peaceful" aspect of the creature and make him really aggressive, as if he evil in the forest had affected him and he went over protective, trying to expell the demons with fire.</p>
<p>But now that you tell me it's an evil creature, that makes things a lot easier to me. I went ahead and read some texts about them, and they seemed more like a giant cat mixed with an elk, really aggressive and a carnivore aswell. </blockquote><p>Well in most pictures and storylines I see about the creatures they mention it as Carnivorous Antilope of North America, and there is only one type of antelope in NOrth America, the Pronghorn.
<p>+ the awesome picture you find on google pictures of the delgeth being some type of flaming pronghorn/bicorne.</p>
<p>I love the abilities of the Delgeth from this book, don't get me wrong, but I hate it being an Elk and being neutral and nature hugging, while the real deal was a nature destroying creature and one of the terrible demons from Native America, it belonged to the demons, Yeitso, Tsenahale and the twin totem demon with a difficult name.</p>
<p>I love the idea of making the Delgeth a demon-corrupted creature, much like the Baregara, Bebilith and other demon-like horrors that aren't demons YET.</p>shadowkras wrote:@Evil Queen
Hey, i didnt know that a Delgeth was evil, that actually matches my plans for the encounter. I was planning to ignore the "neutral and peaceful" aspect of the creature and make him really aggressive, as if he evil in the forest had affected him and he went over protective, trying to expell the demons with fire.But now that you tell me it's an evil creature, that makes things a lot easier to me. I went ahead and read some texts about them, and they seemed more...The Evil Queen (alias of Sincubus)2014-06-01T11:24:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)shadowkrashttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#922014-06-01T03:35:30Z2014-06-01T03:35:30Z<p>@Evil Queen
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Hey, i didnt know that a Delgeth was evil, that actually matches my plans for the encounter. I was planning to ignore the "neutral and peaceful" aspect of the creature and make him really aggressive, as if he evil in the forest had affected him and he went over protective, trying to expell the demons with fire.</p>
<p>But now that you tell me it's an evil creature, that makes things a lot easier to me. I went ahead and read some texts about them, and they seemed more like a giant cat mixed with an elk, really aggressive and a carnivore aswell.</p>@Evil Queen
Hey, i didnt know that a Delgeth was evil, that actually matches my plans for the encounter. I was planning to ignore the "neutral and peaceful" aspect of the creature and make him really aggressive, as if he evil in the forest had affected him and he went over protective, trying to expell the demons with fire.
But now that you tell me it's an evil creature, that makes things a lot easier to me. I went ahead and read some texts about them, and they seemed more like a giant cat...shadowkras2014-06-01T03:35:30ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)The Evil Queen (alias of Sincubus)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#912014-05-31T17:36:48Z2014-05-31T17:36:48Z<p>I'm really not a fan of the Delgeth...</p>
<p>The Delgeth is the only Pronghorn monster in Mythology, and now it is turned into a neutral (the Delgeth from NA mythology is extremely evil) nature hugging Elk...</p>
<p>This delgeth doesn't only cut creatures like the Sianach and Paiyuk (two real Elk monsters from mythology) from the paizonizer-monster list but also destroys the only chance on a cool Pronghorn monster :-(</p>
<p>I know JJ say its unlikely the monster gets changed when converted into the Bestiary 5 or later, but I still hope it will be changed, maybe this creature can be renamed into Paiyuk.</p>
<p>Appart from that, I really love the story and the book!</p>I'm really not a fan of the Delgeth...
The Delgeth is the only Pronghorn monster in Mythology, and now it is turned into a neutral (the Delgeth from NA mythology is extremely evil) nature hugging Elk...
This delgeth doesn't only cut creatures like the Sianach and Paiyuk (two real Elk monsters from mythology) from the paizonizer-monster list but also destroys the only chance on a cool Pronghorn monster :-(
I know JJ say its unlikely the monster gets changed when converted into the Bestiary...The Evil Queen (alias of Sincubus)2014-05-31T17:36:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)shadowkrashttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#902014-05-31T02:45:25Z2014-05-31T02:45:25Z<p>I noticed that Hope's Hollow siblings (Regine and Cris) are missing some feats. They are both fighter 3/rogue 2, so they should have a total of 6 feats (1 human, 2 fighter, 3 for 5th level), but they have 5 feats, one being Weapon Finesse, which is granded by their rogue talent Finesse Rogue.</p>
<p>So they are both missing 2 feats (?).
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Or these npcs follow some rule im unaware of?</p>
<p>Their talents are:
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Alertness, Dazzling Display, Iron Will, Weapon Focus (rapier), Weapon Finesse (granted by a rogue talent).</p>I noticed that Hope's Hollow siblings (Regine and Cris) are missing some feats. They are both fighter 3/rogue 2, so they should have a total of 6 feats (1 human, 2 fighter, 3 for 5th level), but they have 5 feats, one being Weapon Finesse, which is granded by their rogue talent Finesse Rogue.
So they are both missing 2 feats (?).
Or these npcs follow some rule im unaware of?
Their talents are:
Alertness, Dazzling Display, Iron Will, Weapon Focus (rapier), Weapon Finesse (granted by a rogue...shadowkras2014-05-31T02:45:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)John Compton (Starfinder Senior Developer)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#892014-04-15T13:34:19Z2014-04-11T04:17:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Helaman wrote:</div><blockquote> Is this going to also get the PFS Chronicle treatment? </blockquote><p>In time it will. With convention season approaching, my primary responsibility is getting everything prepared for the end of Season 5 and the start of Season 6. As my schedule permits, I will work on sanctioning and the accompanying Chronicle sheets.
<p>I read through this module a few nights ago, and it looks like it would sanction rather nicely.</p>Helaman wrote:Is this going to also get the PFS Chronicle treatment?
In time it will. With convention season approaching, my primary responsibility is getting everything prepared for the end of Season 5 and the start of Season 6. As my schedule permits, I will work on sanctioning and the accompanying Chronicle sheets. I read through this module a few nights ago, and it looks like it would sanction rather nicely.John Compton (Starfinder Senior Developer)2014-04-11T04:17:52ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Chris Ballardhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#882014-04-11T02:52:04Z2014-04-11T02:52:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tirisfal wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Ballard wrote:</div><blockquote> I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE. </blockquote>No, she is YOU. </blockquote><p>Well, I wasn't going to advertise it.Tirisfal wrote:Chris Ballard wrote: I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE.
No, she is YOU. Well, I wasn't going to advertise it.Chris Ballard2014-04-11T02:52:04ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Tirisfalhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#872014-04-11T00:36:21Z2014-04-11T00:36:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chris Ballard wrote:</div><blockquote> I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE. </blockquote><p>No, she is YOU.Chris Ballard wrote:I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE.
No, she is YOU.Tirisfal2014-04-11T00:36:21ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Chris Ballardhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#862014-04-11T00:07:02Z2014-04-11T00:07:02Z<p>I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE.</p>I noticed the stat block for Rigzarreth on page 32 lists her as being ME. I'm guessing that should be NE.Chris Ballard2014-04-11T00:07:02ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#852014-04-04T01:17:18Z2014-04-04T01:17:18Z<p>That is good feedback, Rosgakori. I think my solution would be to brainstorm several more cases of betrayal or heartbreak. Cassomir is certainly large enough to keep the PCs busy for a while. Plus, the other things going on in Cassomir are compelling. Or you could combine them, like, a single mother wasting away because her young son was abducted by derro and taken below the city for Nefarious Purposes.</p>
<p>A few more of these sprinkled into the city or in Hope's Hollow will slow down the leveling pace. The encounters and stories solidify the theme and extend play, and you remove some side quest experience to keep the level adjustment on a pace your table enjoys.</p>
<p>But, don't let them get to the house without a strong head start on level 8. :)</p>That is good feedback, Rosgakori. I think my solution would be to brainstorm several more cases of betrayal or heartbreak. Cassomir is certainly large enough to keep the PCs busy for a while. Plus, the other things going on in Cassomir are compelling. Or you could combine them, like, a single mother wasting away because her young son was abducted by derro and taken below the city for Nefarious Purposes.
A few more of these sprinkled into the city or in Hope's Hollow will slow down the...Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)2014-04-04T01:17:18ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Rosgakorihttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#842014-04-02T22:31:02Z2014-04-02T22:31:02Z<p>So far it seems interesting. The leveling speed worries me, since our players really enjoy time between leveling, playing at one level long times. Sure, there are ton of adventures in addition, but most of them are so secondary in comparison to the main plot [Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>I liked Dragons Demand, and Tears at Bitter Manor has some very great scenes and VERY strong scenes and themes going on, but I really liked the one level at time-modules. You could hack adventure trough in a night and be done with it, but this eats time little too much to be casual adventure.</p>So far it seems interesting. The leveling speed worries me, since our players really enjoy time between leveling, playing at one level long times. Sure, there are ton of adventures in addition, but most of them are so secondary in comparison to the main plot [Spoiler omitted]
I liked Dragons Demand, and Tears at Bitter Manor has some very great scenes and VERY strong scenes and themes going on, but I really liked the one level at time-modules. You could hack adventure trough in a night and...Rosgakori2014-04-02T22:31:02ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Grumpus (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#832016-09-01T18:57:52Z2014-03-28T19:49:29Z<p>Blob of glue ripped both the map and the back page of the module.
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Hopefully next release will fix this</p>Blob of glue ripped both the map and the back page of the module.
Hopefully next release will fix thisGrumpus (RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32)2014-03-28T19:49:29ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Derek Weilhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#822014-03-28T16:35:58Z2014-03-28T16:35:58Z<p>Well, I just subscribed to the AP's for Mummy's Mask, and with the Pathfinder Advantage in place I grabbed this too. I should have it in my hands within the week!</p>Well, I just subscribed to the AP's for Mummy's Mask, and with the Pathfinder Advantage in place I grabbed this too. I should have it in my hands within the week!Derek Weil2014-03-28T16:35:58ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#812014-03-28T16:28:48Z2014-03-28T16:28:48Z<p>You deserve it Christopher! I really liked it!</p>
<p>I am so pleased with the art and cartography. Yerril and the art over the first chapter creeped me right out!</p>You deserve it Christopher! I really liked it!
I am so pleased with the art and cartography. Yerril and the art over the first chapter creeped me right out!Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)2014-03-28T16:28:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Christopher Dudley (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#802014-03-28T01:02:25Z2014-03-28T01:02:25Z<p>Thanks for using my item! Got my name in a Pathfinder book! Woot!</p>Thanks for using my item! Got my name in a Pathfinder book! Woot!Christopher Dudley (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32)2014-03-28T01:02:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)feytharnhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#792014-03-17T16:27:40Z2014-03-17T16:27:40Z<p>I did just download my pdf and while I haven't been reading much (nor will I until I get a few hours of sleep, so please don't ask me for spoilers) in a passing glance this appears to be the first of the new adventures without extensive dungeons. I will take that as a sign that more diversity (not only in regions but in content) is coming :-)</p>
<p>Edit: What I did see in both art and cartography looks gorgeous btw.</p>I did just download my pdf and while I haven't been reading much (nor will I until I get a few hours of sleep, so please don't ask me for spoilers) in a passing glance this appears to be the first of the new adventures without extensive dungeons. I will take that as a sign that more diversity (not only in regions but in content) is coming :-)
Edit: What I did see in both art and cartography looks gorgeous btw.feytharn2014-03-17T16:27:40ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Wolfwaker (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#782014-03-17T14:53:06Z2014-03-17T14:53:06Z<p>Did Cobra-hood cloak or Thoughtstealer ooze get in?</p>Did Cobra-hood cloak or Thoughtstealer ooze get in?Wolfwaker (RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8)2014-03-17T14:53:06ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)goldomarkhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#772014-03-17T11:44:01Z2014-03-17T11:44:01Z<p>Shweeeet!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>Shweeeet!
Thanks!goldomark2014-03-17T11:44:01ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)chopswilhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#762014-03-17T11:25:43Z2014-03-17T11:25:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">goldomark wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Steven T. Helt wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Which one was yours, brah?</p>
<p>And, Chopswil:</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote>The elixir of last will. </blockquote><p>that one was includedgoldomark wrote:Steven T. Helt wrote:Which one was yours, brah?
And, Chopswil:
** spoiler omitted **
The elixir of last will. that one was includedchopswil2014-03-17T11:25:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)goldomarkhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#752014-03-17T10:28:05Z2014-03-17T10:28:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steven T. Helt wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Which one was yours, brah?</p>
<p>And, Chopswil:</p>
<p>•• spoiler omitted •• </blockquote><p>The elixir of last will.Steven T. Helt wrote:Which one was yours, brah?
And, Chopswil:
** spoiler omitted **
The elixir of last will.goldomark2014-03-17T10:28:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Tears at Bitter Manor (PFRPG)Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)https://paizo.com/products/btpy93qw/discuss&page=2?Pathfinder-Module-Tears-at-Bitter-Manor#742014-03-17T05:44:29Z2014-03-17T05:44:29Z<p>Which one was yours, brah?</p>
<p>And, Chopswil:</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Which one was yours, brah?
And, Chopswil:
[Spoiler omitted]Steven T. Helt (RPG Superstar 2013)2014-03-17T05:44:29Z