Pathfinder Flip-Mat: Seedy Tavern

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Pathfinder Flip-Mat: Seedy Tavern

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Barroom Blitz!

Whether your adventurers are on the trail of a dirty thief or just looking for a fight, no Game Master wants to slow the action down by drawing sites for urban encounters. Fortunately, with Paizo Publishing’s latest Pathfinder Flip-Mat, you don’t have to! This line of gaming maps provides ready-to-use and captivatingly detailed fantasy set-pieces for the busy Game Master. This double-sided combat map presents three distinct taverns perfect for all manner of sinister confrontations. It even connects with Map Pack: Sewer System for more seedy adventure!

Don’t waste your time sketching when you could be playing. With Pathfinder Flip-Mat: Seedy Tavern, you’ll always be ready when your players go for a drink with a danger chaser!

This portable, affordable map measures 24" x 30" unfolded, and 8" x 10" folded. Its coated surface can handle any dry erase, wet erase, or even permanent marker. Usable by experienced GMs and novices alike, Pathfinder Flip-Mats fit perfectly into any Game Master’s arsenal!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-570-9

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3 maps for the price of 1!

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GOOD:
Side 1 has lots of small buildings next to each other surrounded by streets.
Side 2 has a slightly smaller, more colorful version of "Flip-mat: Waterfront Tavern" AND a small underground tavern that connects to "Map Pack: Sewer System"!
BAD: FEWER THAN 25 LEFT!
UGLY:-

Get it while it lasts!


Most Useful of the Tavern Maps so Far!

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I find that the Seedy Tavern Flip Mat is my favorite of the tavern maps printed by Paizo. The seedy tavern side features a tavern with the surrounding streets that can easily be broken up to represent several different establishments or one large one.

The flip side of the mat offers not one - but TWO more tavern options. One is a waterside tavern - featuring rooms like an inn as well. The second is a smaller dingy tavern with a secret entrance to the sewers behind it.

All in all, without breaking up the taverns into smaller versions, you get three different maps for the price of one - or more if you learn how to divide the front side. The art is great, the map stock is sturdy and works well with dry or wet erase markers. Recommended.


Webstore Gninja Minion

Announced! Cover image is a mockup and subject to change.

Grand Lodge

I would love to see the example of what this looks like as a map :)


Tavern again? Hm...I mean it isnt that we have already alot of tavern maps, while we dont have even for example a decent swamp, hill map or a second desert map.

You should really change the selection process of the themes of your flip mats.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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We do a lot of taverns because they sell better than just about any other type of Flip-Mat. Tavern and Waterfront Tavern are both sold out, and Pub Crawl is really about the streets around the pubs. Urban Tavern is the only "real" tavern Flip-Mat currently in print.

Desert is a significantly less popular theme than taverns, and probably won't get a replacement while the current Desert Flip-Mat is in print.

Deep Forest makes for a pretty good hill.

Since Swamp is now out of print, that does indeed make that theme a good candidate for a new map...


Thanks Vic, for the explanation. So I hope we will see a decent swamp map soon. :)

Webstore Gninja Minion

Updated product image and description to final, added sample images.

Dark Archive

Looks great! I can get a lot of use out of this one! :)


Looks like a redux of the Water Front Tavern. I still like it though and will still pick it up.

Dark Archive

Derek Boobyer wrote:
Looks like a redux of the Water Front Tavern. I still like it though and will still pick it up.

Yeah, but you get the sewer map plus a bigger tavern on the other side (in fact, this could be divided into several buildings). Also, I don't think the original was double-sided?

Grand Lodge

No the Waterfront Tavern was single sided with a grey plain mat on the opposite side

Silver Crusade

I use my Waterfront Tavern blank side as my standard blank right now. It's technically all water, but it's subtle enough to be used for anything. I plan to pick up the Basic Terrain Multi-Pack to add a little more flavor.


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Nice map. Close enough to stand in for Waterfront Tavern for those that don't have it, but different enough to be worth buying either way. I also like how it matches the recent sewer tiles. Well done.

Liberty's Edge

Tavern options are good.

What would be cool is a "tavern construction kit" Map Pack. Something that allowed you to construct various different floor layouts by reusing some of the same tiles. This would be a little bit tricky to make (make it so the tiles are interesting, but also so that they can fit next to each other to make a several-tile scene out of it), but would be very useful as it would let us build a fair number of different taverns out of it.

Paizo Employee Designer

The second side of the map does have a slightly redesigned version of the Waterfront Tavern. It's one of those out of print maps that people like and have a hard time getting. You also get two other maps that each work well with some Map-Pack products, so for those of you who already have Waterfront Tavern, there is still plenty that you can play with.


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Need to make a map of the rusty Dragon inn, with ground floor on one side and upstairs on the other. Then you need to make a map pack of under the rusty Dragon. Then when you make your next swamp map, one side should be swamp and the other side should be the Lick toad village from we be goblins. Then you should give me a big bag of money for giving you these great ideas ; )

Sovereign Court

The tavern with the sewer entrance would work perfectly as Vizio's tavern in Council of Thieves. =)


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Vic Wertz wrote:

We do a lot of taverns because they sell better than just about any other type of Flip-Mat. Tavern and Waterfront Tavern are both sold out, and Pub Crawl is really about the streets around the pubs. Urban Tavern is the only "real" tavern Flip-Mat currently in print.

Desert is a significantly less popular theme than taverns, and probably won't get a replacement while the current Desert Flip-Mat is in print.

Deep Forest makes for a pretty good hill.

Since Swamp is now out of print, that does indeed make that theme a good candidate for a new map...

I would like to see flip mats tie in with the adventure paths a little more (like the town square did with Rise of the Runelords). You're giving us miniatures, pawns, item cards etc, a few maps would really help out too ;)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

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During the six-month run of an AP, we do 3 Flip-Mats, and we're trying to tie at least one of them thematically to that AP. For example, Flip-Mat: Wasteland will come in handy for Wrath of the Righteous players, and Flip-Mat: Desert Ruins will be useful for people playing Mummy's Mask.

Scarab Sages

How difficult would it be to expand the maps you have in the APs and sell them? Just a random question.

Grand Lodge

dfsearles wrote:
How difficult would it be to expand the maps you have in the APs and sell them? Just a random question.

Vic has covered this topic at length. Right now as it stands it is very costly (basically the amount for the maps would be almost as much if not more then say the entire art budget for a bestiary) and they would need to have the entire adventure paths written in order to do the maps before hand.

Vic has mentioned though that if someone could figure out a cost effective way to print maps out at a cheaper cost then what they can achieve they would consider it.

But yes I too would love the maps for the entire adventure path.. or even one map from an adventure path too :)


Perfect for a Bar Room Blitz

Scarab Sages

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The pdf looks great and I am really looking forward to getting the package with the print edition!


...annnnnnndd...I just spent a day re-doing the Waterfront Tavern map on a laser printer and assembling it this past weekend.

Scarab Sages

Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.

Paizo Employee Designer

Lamontius wrote:
...annnnnnndd...I just spent a day re-doing the Waterfront Tavern map on a laser printer and assembling it this past weekend.

Ooooh. Sorry!


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Thank you so much for bringing back the Waterfront Tavern. Now I can use a more accurate map for the PSOP scenarios that call for it!

Paizo Employee Designer

Millefune wrote:
Thank you so much for bringing back the Waterfront Tavern. Now I can use a more accurate map for the PSOP scenarios that call for it!

You are welcome. I knew it was a popular map, and one used often in Society play, so I figured, as long as I was giving some new content as well, I could put a smaller trimmed-down version of that map on this product as well.


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dfsearles wrote:
Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.

The trouble is, it will look crappy if Paizo blow it up too. The scale of the image is the problem. The artwork/cartography that has been done isn't suitable for flip mats. The cost of printing them is likely negligible, but all the images would need to be redone at a much greater scale - I saw James Jacobs guesstimate the cost of an AP's worth of maps at some point on the forums and it was a couple of hundred dollars.


dfsearles wrote:
Well, I can take an AP over to Kinko's and them blow up the image, but it rarely looks nice. The artwork is done for each AP, they just need to expand and print it. Though the cost of doing such is high, you could off-set it by selling each pack at say $ 2.00 a pack and have them set up like the map packs. If I knew how much each card costs them to produce, I would have better figures. Essencially, try to make 75 to 100 percent profit. Though costly it may be to us, I imagine that they could start by printing say, 1/10 the number of books they print, and release them on opposite months of each AP.

You're not the first to suggest something like this, and the problem is... it doesn't work like that.

The art is commissioned at a particular size. Scaling it up or down, no matter who does it, results in exactly the same poor image you see when you do it at Kinko's. To do it properly, a separate version of the map would need to be ordered and paid for, one that is several times the size (and thus cost) of the map as it is published in the AP volume.

Edit: Ninja'd!

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.

DO IT!


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BigDTBone wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Also, many adventures have really large maps. Take the Ruins of Sumitha from Pathfinder 58—at minis scale, that map would be more than 10 feet tall by more than 6 feet wide. The total area of that map—just one of many in a single adventure—would be greater than that of *13* Flip-Mats.
DO IT!

I agree, I would buy it.

However, instead of making it a fold-up flip mat, have it be similar to the same material of those Gale Force Nine roll-up maps.

Yes, GF9 makes similar maps already, but these would official PF maps for the APs. :)

Scarab Sages

I was just thinking cards like from rhe map-packs so you can piece together what you need and go from there. I put velcro on the back in the corners and place them on a board with the opposite side so they don't slide around the table, but I think we are getting off topic now.

Scarab Sages

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Would this flip mat be a valid substitute for the Season 5 special?

Sovereign Court

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What's the thought on the small tavern that connects to the sewer? What's the black? Does is butt up to a mountain-side or a city wall with a sewer inside?

Scarab Sages

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Mosaic wrote:
What's the thought on the small tavern that connects to the sewer? What's the black? Does is butt up to a mountain-side or a city wall with a sewer inside?

Did you notice the stairs leading down into the bar?

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feytharn wrote:
Mosaic wrote:
What's the thought on the small tavern that connects to the sewer? What's the black? Does is butt up to a mountain-side or a city wall with a sewer inside?
Did you notice the stairs leading down into the bar?

Actually, no, I didn't. So there's a street-level floor and an open-ceiling basement-level floor, with access to the stores... and the sewer. Cool. [I will point out, though - I know, it's fantasy and about fitting everything in the space given, not architecture - that it's odd to have your cellar under your neighbor's building, rather than under your own ground floor.]

Scarab Sages

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Actually it is not that rare where I live (northern Germany)to have a bar at cellar level that occupies at least some space beneath neighboring buildings - and I would guess that not the whole area is 'open ceiling', but showing the above floor would greatly diminish the use of the bar map...

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Any hope of this being reprinted? This looks like an excellent map that I would love to own, but third-party sellers are charging an obscene amount since it's OOP.

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