paizo.com Recent Posts in The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDF Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDF Discussion2013-07-29T20:43:48Z2013-07-29T20:43:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFDrop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#242016-06-07T22:06:17Z2016-06-07T22:06:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mythraine wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am REALLY digging this class.</p>
<p>Is there any chance of more archetypes? Or possibly FCBs? </blockquote><p>We're actually contemplating taking this and our other classes and updating them as needed/expanding them with new content and publishing it as an "Adventurers of Skybourne" collected volume. No official declaration on if/when that might happen, though.Mythraine wrote:I am REALLY digging this class.
Is there any chance of more archetypes? Or possibly FCBs?
We're actually contemplating taking this and our other classes and updating them as needed/expanding them with new content and publishing it as an "Adventurers of Skybourne" collected volume. No official declaration on if/when that might happen, though.Drop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)2016-06-07T22:06:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFMythrainehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#232016-03-23T02:00:20Z2016-03-23T02:00:20Z<p>I am REALLY digging this class.</p>
<p>Is there any chance of more archetypes? Or possibly FCBs?</p>I am REALLY digging this class.
Is there any chance of more archetypes? Or possibly FCBs?Mythraine2016-03-23T02:00:20ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#222013-07-19T23:07:24Z2013-07-19T23:07:24Z<p>A solution akin to concentration might be working for me, thanks! And I agree with Will - even Paizo sometimes botches and and I try to not let these spawn into other rules-contexts. That being said, I hope my review made abundantly clear that even when taking this one into account, I still do consider this a VERY intriguing class. :)</p>A solution akin to concentration might be working for me, thanks! And I agree with Will - even Paizo sometimes botches and and I try to not let these spawn into other rules-contexts. That being said, I hope my review made abundantly clear that even when taking this one into account, I still do consider this a VERY intriguing class. :)Endzeitgeist2013-07-19T23:07:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFxevious573https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#212013-07-19T22:45:11Z2013-07-19T22:45:11Z<p>I might need a little bit of help on this.... but why is Snake Style overpowered? Just curious why this is so.</p>I might need a little bit of help on this.... but why is Snake Style overpowered? Just curious why this is so.xevious5732013-07-19T22:45:11ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFDungeonmasterCalhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#202013-07-19T22:17:56Z2013-07-19T22:17:56Z<p>How similar is it to the "Battle Dancer" class from Dragon Magazine (3.0 years, I think)? </p>
<p>Just added to my shopping cart, thanks to EZ's review. Different enough from the Battle Dancer to be worth picking up!</p>How similar is it to the "Battle Dancer" class from Dragon Magazine (3.0 years, I think)?
Just added to my shopping cart, thanks to EZ's review. Different enough from the Battle Dancer to be worth picking up!DungeonmasterCal2013-07-19T22:17:56ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFAwesomeComicsProductionshttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#192013-07-19T21:27:29Z2013-07-19T21:27:29Z<p>Wow the descreption really gets you in there.</p>Wow the descreption really gets you in there.AwesomeComicsProductions2013-07-19T21:27:29ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#182013-07-19T23:04:58Z2013-07-19T20:30:43Z<p>Personally, and this is why I'd house rule it if I ever ran with this class, I don't let an overpowered option justify another overpowered option. I'll still be checking this book out tho, and I know a few people who would be interested in the concept as well.</p>Personally, and this is why I'd house rule it if I ever ran with this class, I don't let an overpowered option justify another overpowered option. I'll still be checking this book out tho, and I know a few people who would be interested in the concept as well.Cheapy2013-07-19T20:30:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFDrop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#172013-07-19T23:05:00Z2013-07-19T20:24:48Z<p>It would free him up a skill point per level, but you could make it a caster-level-ish check: Class level + Wisdom bonus. That's initially how we were going to do it, but with Snake Style making is Sense Motive, allowing bonuses like class skill and magic items that increase the skill, and a +2 to the skill just for having Snake Style, we thought we should keep it uniform with what was already printed in paizo's products.</p>It would free him up a skill point per level, but you could make it a caster-level-ish check: Class level + Wisdom bonus. That's initially how we were going to do it, but with Snake Style making is Sense Motive, allowing bonuses like class skill and magic items that increase the skill, and a +2 to the skill just for having Snake Style, we thought we should keep it uniform with what was already printed in paizo's products.Drop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)2013-07-19T20:24:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#162013-07-19T15:27:50Z2013-07-19T15:27:50Z<p>Yeah, I think I might be going alongside something like the latter suggestion - or band enhancements, making it a rank+class-skill-bonus-only-check.</p>
<p>Still, the class is at least not broken, just a tad bit off for my tastes.</p>Yeah, I think I might be going alongside something like the latter suggestion - or band enhancements, making it a rank+class-skill-bonus-only-check.
Still, the class is at least not broken, just a tad bit off for my tastes.Endzeitgeist2013-07-19T15:27:50ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#152013-07-19T14:07:26Z2013-07-19T14:07:26Z<p>Yee-ow. I can kind of dig that they made the swift actions very important for the class, so they can't always use that ability.... </p>
<p>You could house rule it to use <i>half</i> of your sense motive roll. Or only allow it to be used when you aren't using a dance.</p>Yee-ow. I can kind of dig that they made the swift actions very important for the class, so they can't always use that ability....
You could house rule it to use half of your sense motive roll. Or only allow it to be used when you aren't using a dance.Cheapy2013-07-19T14:07:26ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#142013-07-19T14:09:01Z2013-07-19T13:58:23Z<p>Thanks! :D</p>
<p>No, there isn't - immediate action, i.e. max 2 in one round - that's it, limit-wise.</p>
<p>Here's the text:</p>
<p>At 3rd level, a war dancer may anticipate
<br />
and manipulate his enemy’s attacks. As an immediate action,
<br />
whenever the war dancer is targeted by a melee or ranged
<br />
attack, he may make a Sense Motive check and use the results
<br />
as his AC or touch AC against that attack. The war dancer
<br />
must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed to use this
<br />
ability.</p>
<p>I love the class to death and in the right DM's hands, this can work great - but in the wrong player's hands this ability WILL BREAK a game. That's just about the only reason why I didn't SoA this one. And yes, Snake Style is also imho broken. I'm still trying to think of a way to salvage this ability, but honestly don't find one...</p>Thanks! :D
No, there isn't - immediate action, i.e. max 2 in one round - that's it, limit-wise.
Here's the text:
At 3rd level, a war dancer may anticipate
and manipulate his enemy’s attacks. As an immediate action,
whenever the war dancer is targeted by a melee or ranged
attack, he may make a Sense Motive check and use the results
as his AC or touch AC against that attack. The war dancer
must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed to use this
ability.
I love the class to death and in...Endzeitgeist2013-07-19T13:58:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#132013-07-19T13:58:29Z2013-07-19T13:51:41Z<p>End, I really liked your review on this one. It certainly sounds like an interesting class, although much like you, a red flag did pop up in my mind once you said 'sense motive' and 'attacks' in the same sentence. Is there a limit on the use of that per day? I'm not a fan of Snake Style for that exact reason.</p>End, I really liked your review on this one. It certainly sounds like an interesting class, although much like you, a red flag did pop up in my mind once you said 'sense motive' and 'attacks' in the same sentence. Is there a limit on the use of that per day? I'm not a fan of Snake Style for that exact reason.Cheapy2013-07-19T13:51:41ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#122013-07-19T09:12:20Z2013-07-19T09:12:20Z<p>Reviewed first on Endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS and d20pfsrd.com's shop. Cheers!</p>Reviewed first on Endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS and d20pfsrd.com's shop. Cheers!Endzeitgeist2013-07-19T09:12:20ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFBellonahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#112013-05-27T19:04:05Z2013-05-27T19:04:05Z<p>This also reminds me of the Battle Dancer base class (originally 2e I believe, then updated to 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium).</p>This also reminds me of the Battle Dancer base class (originally 2e I believe, then updated to 3.5 in the Dragon Compendium).Bellona2013-05-27T19:04:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEvil Midnight Lurkerhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#102013-05-27T02:52:19Z2013-05-27T02:52:19Z<p>If you like old-school dungeon crawls, and by that I mean Wizardry, Might and Magic, and The Bard's Tale, Etrian Odyssey is <i>awesome</i>.</p>
<p>(They were still feeling their way around the first game, but 2 through 4 are definitely worth playing.)</p>
<p>EDIT: And to be more specific, the Dancer from 4 is a buffer/debuffer class that has three types of dances — Sambas, Tangos, and Waltzes — and can have one of each type going at once, with special options if all three are in play.</p>If you like old-school dungeon crawls, and by that I mean Wizardry, Might and Magic, and The Bard's Tale, Etrian Odyssey is awesome.
(They were still feeling their way around the first game, but 2 through 4 are definitely worth playing.)
EDIT: And to be more specific, the Dancer from 4 is a buffer/debuffer class that has three types of dances -- Sambas, Tangos, and Waltzes -- and can have one of each type going at once, with special options if all three are in play.Evil Midnight Lurker2013-05-27T02:52:19ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFDrop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#92013-05-27T01:59:14Z2013-05-27T01:59:14Z<p>I haven't played it, but now I think I should.</p>I haven't played it, but now I think I should.Drop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)2013-05-27T01:59:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#82013-05-27T00:14:37Z2013-05-27T00:14:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:</div><blockquote> And now this reminds me very much of the Dancer class from Etrian Odyssey IV. </blockquote><p>That's what I thought too!Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:And now this reminds me very much of the Dancer class from Etrian Odyssey IV.
That's what I thought too!Cheapy2013-05-27T00:14:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEvil Midnight Lurkerhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#72013-05-27T00:02:23Z2013-05-27T00:02:23Z<p>And now this reminds me very much of the Dancer class from Etrian Odyssey IV.</p>And now this reminds me very much of the Dancer class from Etrian Odyssey IV.Evil Midnight Lurker2013-05-27T00:02:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFDrop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#62013-05-27T00:08:57Z2013-05-26T23:51:17Z<p>The War Dancer's primary mechanic is, of course, his dances. Dancing is measured in rounds similar to a barbarian's rage or bard's performance, and each dance could confer a bonus or ability to the war dancer, a penalty to all enemies within reach, or some other manipulation of the battlefield. As the war dancer levels, he gains the ability to unlock more advanced versions of his dances, or perform multiple dances at once, although he must activate his dances in order over several rounds. This means that the war dancer is a very tactical fighter, similar to a controlling wizard: the wizard may boost allies one round, then drop a wall the next, then use a confusion spell, while the war dancer could prevent enemy movement, then drop their ac, then make them flat-footed to his allies. Like the wizard, the fun of the war dancer is creating synergies between his various abilities and the abilities of his allies.</p>
<p>Here's two example dances, just to illustrate:</p>
<p><b>Disruption (Ex)</b>: You disrupt the rhythm of enemies around you, stopping their effectiveness in combat.</p>
<p>Basic Step: Any opponent you threaten suffers a -2 penalty to their attack rolls. This penalty increases by 1 for every 5 war dancer levels you possess.</p>
<p>Advanced Step: Any attempt to move into or through the area you threaten costs twice as much movement as normal. Enemies cannot voluntarily take 5-foot steps into or through the area you threaten, although they may still take a 5-foot step to leave the area you threaten.</p>
<p>Expert Step: Any opponent you threaten suffers a -1 penalty to saving throws and AC. This penalty increases by 1 for every 5 war dancer levels you possess.</p>
<p><b>Harrowing (Ex)</b>: You turn your opponents expectations on their heads, using your movements to throw them off-balance.</p>
<p>Basic Step: When you successfully attack a creature with a melee weapon, you may forgo dealing damage to instead cause that creature to become flat-footed against one target of your choosing until the beginning of your next turn.</p>
<p>Advanced Step: When you successfully attack a creature with a melee weapon, you may forgo dealing damage to instead make the target sickened, deafened, or blinded for 1 round.</p>
<p>Expert Step: When a creature attacks you in melee and misses, you may redirect his attack against another target within that creature’s reach. If the attack roll would have been enough to overcome that target’s AC, the attack deals damage as normal to its new target.</p>The War Dancer's primary mechanic is, of course, his dances. Dancing is measured in rounds similar to a barbarian's rage or bard's performance, and each dance could confer a bonus or ability to the war dancer, a penalty to all enemies within reach, or some other manipulation of the battlefield. As the war dancer levels, he gains the ability to unlock more advanced versions of his dances, or perform multiple dances at once, although he must activate his dances in order over several rounds....Drop Dead Studios (alias of AdamMeyers)2013-05-26T23:51:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFEvil Midnight Lurkerhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#52013-05-25T09:40:17Z2013-05-25T09:40:17Z<p>It makes me think of a tragically obscure comic book character :)</p>It makes me think of a tragically obscure comic book character :)Evil Midnight Lurker2013-05-25T09:40:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFGururamalamaswami (alias of Gurubabaramalamaswami)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#42016-03-23T06:28:04Z2013-05-25T06:53:14Z<p>It makes me think of the war dancer. The Warhammer war dancer. Is this class stepping on any toes?</p>It makes me think of the war dancer. The Warhammer war dancer. Is this class stepping on any toes?Gururamalamaswami (alias of Gurubabaramalamaswami)2013-05-25T06:53:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFdunebugghttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#32013-05-25T01:58:02Z2013-05-25T01:58:02Z<p>Dot... also interested. Of course this kind of makes me think of the Swordmaster class from Tactics Ogre..</p>Dot... also interested. Of course this kind of makes me think of the Swordmaster class from Tactics Ogre..dunebugg2013-05-25T01:58:02ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#22013-05-25T00:03:28Z2013-05-25T00:03:28Z<p>Huh. Do these guys have a main class ability that could be shared to get an idea for it?</p>Huh. Do these guys have a main class ability that could be shared to get an idea for it?Cheapy2013-05-25T00:03:28ZForums: Product Discussion: The War Dancer (PFRPG) PDFChris Lambertzhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8z51/discuss?The-War-Dancer#12013-05-24T22:00:01Z2013-05-24T22:00:01Z<p>Now available!</p>Now available!Chris Lambertz2013-05-24T22:00:01Z