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Heroes of Legend

Not all heroes are created equal. Many adventurers pick up swords or call upon strange powers in times of trouble, yet only a few are chosen by fate or the gods to change the course of history. These are mythic heroes—legendary figures whose every footstep shakes the heavens. With Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Mythic Adventures, it's your turn to change the world. Choose a mythic path and take on unbelievable powers by completing mythic trials tied to your character's story. Each mythic path works in parallel with your character class, allowing you to continue advancing in your chosen calling even as you seek a greater destiny. Best of all, you can start playing a mythic character at any point—even as early as 1st level!

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Mythic Adventures is a must-have companion volume to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. This imaginative tabletop game builds on more than 10 years of system development and open playtests featuring more than 50,000 gamers to create a cutting-edge RPG experience that brings the all-time best-selling set of fantasy rules into a new era.

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Mythic Adventures is a 256-page hardcover book that includes:

  • Complete rules for playing mythic characters of six different paths: archmage, champion, guardian, hierophant, marshal, and trickster.
  • New mythic feats for every class, such as Powerful Shape, which allows druids to transform into enormous animals, or Deadly Stroke, which lets a mythic character dispatch even a formidable enemy with a single blow.
  • A whole grimoire of new and supercharged spells. Bring down a castle with a mythic meteor swarm, transform the landscape with terraform, or make every memory and record of someone disappear with mythic modify memory!
  • Tons of monsters enhanced with mythic abilities and ready to challenge your heroes, from dragons to vampires!
  • A hoard of new mythic magic items and artifacts. Brandish the sword of inner fire, capable of burning even elemental creatures, or turn your enemies to stone with the medusa-headed shield aegis!
  • A complete mythic adventure for 7th-level characters.
  • Advice on running a mythic game and forging your own legends.
  • ... and much, much more!

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-549-5

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Paizo's only major failure

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This is my only 1 star review of a Paizo product. So I feel the need to explain why.

Mythic Adventures is a based on a great idea. Instead of restricting epic play to (say) characters after level 20, create a mythic system that runs orthogonal to standard level advancement, and which allows players to do things and explore themes not allowed by the standard ruleset.

In the abstract, here are the kinds of things one would want such a product to do:

--1. Provide new mythic abilities which provide plot hooks, inspire the imagination, and suggest ideas for various campaigns or adventures.

--2. Provide new mythic abilities which allow players to do qualitatively different kinds of things than the standard ruleset allows.

Now, D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder have a number of problems when it comes to high-level play: everything takes too long to resolve, and the combat starts turning into rocket-tag -- whoever goes first wins. In part this is because the core game offers more means of boosting offense than defense, and in part this is because the D&D 3.5 math doesn't extend well to high level play. Given this, here are the kinds of things one would hope such a product would avoid:

--3. Avoid positing many more mythic abilities that boost offense than defense.

--4. Avoid new abilities which just add static bonuses to everything. (Increasing everyone's BAB and AC by 10 doesn't make your game more mythic -- it just leaves you with the same game but different numbers.)

--5. Avoid positing abilities which do little other than boost the numbers into the high-level regime where the D&D 3.5 and Pathfinder math breaks down.

--6. Avoid adding abilities which add new sui generis ways of making the game rocket-tag like, by adding yet more "I win"-types of abilities (either by themselves, or in combination with other Pathfinder material that's been published elsewhere).

Unfortunately, for the most part, the mythic ruleset doesn't satisfy these desiderata. Most mythic abilities and spells offer what are effectively bland numerical boosts. There are many more ways to boost offense than defense. There are a handful of abilities inspire plot hooks and feel epic (mythic Levitate and mythic Sleep, for example), but they're surprisingly few in number -- the spells in Ultimate Intrigue offer more interesting plot hooks and adventure ideas than can be found in this entire book. And the mythic rules introduce a huge number of ways to break the game, especially when considered in combination with abilities offered in other books: attacks that do over a 1000 points of damage, spells that ignore SR, give no save, and could kill any creature published in the Bestiary, and so on. (The 3rd party product Mythic Solutions offers some helpful suggestions for how to tone down the mythic rules a bit, but in my experience, most of the game-breaking abilities and combos we ran into are left intact.)

It's not all bad. As I mentioned, there are a handful of mythic spells that feel epic and are plot-hook inspiring, and the book offers some tools for DMs to use to make opponents more deadly. But on the whole, most of what's in this book is best avoided.


Rare mixed, but generally okay, score

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This book presents an excellent way, which I think worked better than 3.0-3.5's epic system, to allow for the truly legendary and heroic heroes of the world. Think less Aragorn and more Beowulf. In general it is a fine product and I don't recommend against getting it.

That said though I found it flawed in two ways which, while they've occasionally crept up into other PF/Paizo books, I think need to be noted.
1) Balance issues. To some extent when you discuss epic you're throwing that out the window anyway but this book, more so than even other books like the ARG or what the Ultimate series offered, needs a GM to keep an eye on what's going on. I wish it had undergone more play testing but I think this might just be an inherent issue at this power level. When you start multiplying character power as a DM you need to be ready to regulate that.
2) Print quality. The bigger issue I had. I've tried to physically own this book 4 times now. Twice from game stores in two different states and twice from a credible online store. In all four cases I found inking issues on some of the artwork, 3 of the times on the same few pictures. This is problematic because one of the biggest reasons to get the printed book and not just use the online info for free is the artwork. I am about to try and buy it again now, hopefully it's on a later run at this point and that's been fixed. That said, if you buy it and care about the artwork make sure to look at the larger pictures in the book and make sure they aren't faded or have streaks at any points.

In summary though, I want to make it clear that for it's price it's not a bad book. I'd give it a C++ or B-, it won't be something you regret (especially if you don't care much about a few images being a little off). It was a good, and unique, Paizo/Pathfinder book just not one of their very best.


*****

I've reviewed this book over on RPGGeek.com.


Hopefully More To Come

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I was thrilled at the concept of this book. Sometimes the story, the characters, need to step up to a more rareified level and really bring the oomph and this book provides the oomph. I especially love some of the little pieces added therein that make a mythic adventure less roll-play and more role-play; the concept that mythic power can simply go away, that the leveling of tiers is solely up to the DM, that in fact much of the advancement and introduction should be story-based.

Loved all of that.

But for what I didn't love.

1. The powers offered are wildly inconsistent in effectiveness. I don't mean powers that are taking for a roleplaying reason. I mean powers that are obviously crunch-based when compared to another crunch power and you cannot fathom how one is supposed to anywhere near equal another. The same with the feats.

2. The very limited scope of mythic paths. I get that this is the intro book and we cannot get a ton of paths right off the bat, but really, six paths? Only 37 pages of path descriptions and powers out of 250+ pages? I've played more characters that wouldn't fit into these paths thematically than would.

3. Mythic monsters takes 57 pages and could have been done in 10. Paizo has been awesome about not reprinting crunch from one book to another, really guaranteeing the value you get in a book. But the monsters presented are basically mythic versions of creatures we all know already. And the mythic build rules for creatures are simple enough (a good thing!) that all we really needed was one example.

So, I like the idea, was a little less than thrilled with the execution, but I am awaiting more.


BAD *SS book

*****

Here is why I like it. The system is so flexible that a GM can attach the rules to his or her game anywhere, anytime. Additionally, said GM can pace advancement to fit his or her campaign. Want PCs that are only marginally more powerful than standard PCs? Simply space or limit the number of trials.

Walks like its mythic, quacks like its mythic. It's mythic.


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Webstore Gninja Minion

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Aaaaand now available for preorder on the site! And look, final art. :D

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

:D


Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Boo. Yah.

'nuff said.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I really don't feal that this cover art makes me think mythic or anything close, kinda disapointing. Maybe if the dragon was covered in glowing runes or had a halo of light around it.

This book and Ultimate Campaign have not convinced me to reniew my subscription to this line anytime soon.

Assistant Software Developer

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What i like about this cover is that Valeros has clearly stolen Alain's sword (from the cover of Ultimate Equipment.)

Liberty's Edge

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"Borrowed"

Liberty's Edge

With monsters included, how big is this book?

Assistant Software Developer

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"Look, I'll give it back once we get Alain out from inside the dragon."

Dark Archive

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Will there be art for all the Mythic iconics or just some of them?

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4

Wonderful cover! I love seeing the classic iconics too.


Great looking cover. Too bad the tarrasque wasnt the enemy.

Dark Archive

Awesome art selection!

Liberty's Edge

Does appeasing the volcano involve Dave Chappelle?

Can I assume the book's spine is Gold Leaf?

What Campaign Setting book will accompany this?


I love that sword that Valeros has! What is the name of that sword?

Silver Crusade

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Andru Watkins wrote:
I love that sword that Valeros has! What is the name of that sword?

TurboBlade of Pwnsome.


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Tarrasque would have been cool for the cover.

Dark Archive

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Dragon78 wrote:
Tarrasque would have been cool for the cover.

Paizo (I believe specifically JJ) have said elsewhere that they prefer to keep the Tarrasque as the pinnacle creature for non-mythic play.


WOW!

*That is all.*

Dean


I can't wait for this, even though I likely won't get to use most of the stuff in this book the material alone is worth having for planning and plotting.

Shadow Lodge

"Over 40 mythic monsters to challenge your characters, focusing on creatures from myth and legend like the mythic minotaur and mythic medusa."

I'm hoping that there are some monsters that are new as well. I'd hate if it all 40+ monsters were just regular monsters from the previous Bestiaries with mythic tiers thrown onto them.


Already have money ready for this. Since it's releasing on con season though, I wouldn't be hurt if you guys pushed it a month. Stuff happens :)


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Odraude wrote:
Already have money ready for this. Since it's releasing on con season though, I wouldn't be hurt if you guys pushed it a month. Stuff happens :)

it has to be released that month as the first part of the Mythic rule using AP comes out. and you can't run such an AP without the necessary rulebook to go with it.


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Clearly, they're fighting Ashardalon.


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Kthulhu wrote:

"Over 40 mythic monsters to challenge your characters, focusing on creatures from myth and legend like the mythic minotaur and mythic medusa."

I'm hoping that there are some monsters that are new as well. I'd hate if it all 40+ monsters were just regular monsters from the previous Bestiaries with mythic tiers thrown onto them.

I have heard that they're mining a few of the SRD epic monsters, which would be new to PF. Kinda like how many creatures in the bestiaries are updates of Tome of Horror monsters.

At the very least, I recall hearing something about everyone's favorite deadfetusgod.

But things may yet change.

Liberty's Edge

Darn. When I saw the cover I thought that this would be the Epic Level Playbook. This still looks fantastic though.

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Louis Lyons wrote:
Darn. When I saw the cover I thought that this would be the Epic Level Playbook. This still looks fantastic though.

Mythic is the equivalent of the first 10 levels of Epic play. It does it in a different style that is less about the classes the character has and revolves more around 1 or 2 of 6 archetypes that act as a sorta catchall for the different classes and ideas... it's epic play but not with the same rules as the old ELH.

This is the playtest document: http://paizo.com/products/btpy8voq?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Mythic-Adven tures-Playtest

You should consider checking it out.


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xevious573 wrote:
Louis Lyons wrote:
Darn. When I saw the cover I thought that this would be the Epic Level Playbook. This still looks fantastic though.

Mythic is the equivalent of the first 10 levels of Epic play. It does it in a different style that is less about the classes the character has and revolves more around 1 or 2 of 6 archetypes that act as a sorta catchall for the different classes and ideas... it's epic play but not with the same rules as the old ELH.

This is the playtest document: http://paizo.com/products/btpy8voq?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Mythic-Adven tures-Playtest

You should consider checking it out.

Actually its more accurate to state that mythic levels can act in place of epic levels but can be taken at anytime. their purpose is to both give players extra advantages and make the monsters much harder to kill(if done correctly). so it is more accurate to say that its an extra tier of difficulties and challenges above the normal level and not actually an epilogue campaign for your characters after level 20. cause once you reach your class level of 20, their is no going further except by mythic levels which end after 10 levels.

Epic levels: 20+ class levels.
Mythic levels: 20 max class, 10 max mythic.


With this and ultimate campaign, you have gotten me to subscribe to the RPG sub. Looking forward to it!


Honestly I hope this works out better than the Playtest for my group...

We didn't get a chance to test it until after the Playtest was supposedly over.


Epic cover..!

No, mythic cover!

Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32, 2012 Top 4

That's an awesome cover. Mythic awesome.


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zergtitan wrote:
xevious573 wrote:
Louis Lyons wrote:
Darn. When I saw the cover I thought that this would be the Epic Level Playbook. This still looks fantastic though.

Mythic is the equivalent of the first 10 levels of Epic play. It does it in a different style that is less about the classes the character has and revolves more around 1 or 2 of 6 archetypes that act as a sorta catchall for the different classes and ideas... it's epic play but not with the same rules as the old ELH.

This is the playtest document: http://paizo.com/products/btpy8voq?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Mythic-Adven tures-Playtest

You should consider checking it out.

Actually its more accurate to state that mythic levels can act in place of epic levels but can be taken at anytime. their purpose is to both give players extra advantages and make the monsters much harder to kill(if done correctly). so it is more accurate to say that its an extra tier of difficulties and challenges above the normal level and not actually an epilogue campaign for your characters after level 20. cause once you reach your class level of 20, their is no going further except by mythic levels which end after 10 levels.

Epic levels: 20+ class levels.
Mythic levels: 20 max class, 10 max mythic.

Exactly. "Mythic" and "epic" are like a Venn diagram; there's some overlap, but for the most part they're separate.

Dark Archive

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@The dragon on the cover: "Hey little guy, did you lose your mama?"


Great cover but what happened to the wings on the dragon?


I think they are Folded... What is the technical term for it...


40 monsters?!?! That is a lot! I sure hope there aren't all rainbow dragons of above ancient variants, that would be cheap.

I hope they will be all advanced mythology monsters and atropals, sirrushes and Phane.


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Azaelas Fayth wrote:
I think they are Folded... What is the technical term for it...

Furled.

I'm pretty sure that guy is the definitive example of Colossal plus, for those of us who remember/have the 3.5 Draconomicon.


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I loved the Colossal Plus Rules...

And thank you. Furled. Fun to say...

Lantern Lodge

Actually I love the cover, and think its a brilliant play on the core rulebook cover. Same Iconics present, same dragon, but now everyone, including the dragon, is "Mythic Flavored" for your enjoyment.


Hopefully that means epic dragons! :)


I will agree absolutely beautiful cover. It is the rules I am concerned with...


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Like Ultimate Campaign this is going to be something I'll paw through at the local game store before I commit to buy.


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I can see Ultimate Campaign getting more use than Mythic Adventures in most groups...

That said I might get Mythic Adventures to run a Hellenistic or Nordic Mythical Campaign. Say Jason and the Argonauts in Pathfinder Form?


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They both look useful, I just have to see the finished products before I commit to much more than careful optimism.


Kodyax wrote:
They both look useful, I just have to see the finished products before I commit to much more than careful optimism.

I was saying that simply because Ultimate Campaign contains things that would be easier to implement.


I hope prismatic dragon is in, but not Red Dragon Wyrm & Red Dragon Great Wyrm, also not Gold Dragon Wyrm and Gold Dragon Great Wyrm.

In that way 20 spots would go to dragons.


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I hope for...
Prismatic dragon
Force Dragon
Cosmic dragon of some kind that looks like the night sky with stars.
Cathulu(plus at least one other old one)
Kaiju(at least 3)
Primal elementals or something like them
Abominations(at least one)
An elemetal that is made of air, earth, fire, and water.
Something from the positive energy plane
Something from the plane of time
Stats for the fey lords of the first world
Stats for some epic celestials
Stats for a Protean lord
Epic/mythic level robot


Cathulu?


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I think he means Cat-thulu, the harbinger of the apurrcalypse.

Little-known elder god.

Domains of Evil, Trickery, Animal (Fur), and Destruction (Catastrophe).

Favored weapon shoelace?

I swear it was in Pawnicles of the Damned: Book IV - Housepet Menagerie...


Kaiju Template would be better.

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