paizo.com Recent Posts in Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDF Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDF Discussion2015-02-14T01:12:24Z2015-02-14T01:12:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#182013-03-04T16:42:28Z2013-03-04T16:42:28Z<p>If the feats were slightly more ingenious, if there were slightly more class options, I would have went 5- overall a great revision! :)</p>If the feats were slightly more ingenious, if there were slightly more class options, I would have went 5- overall a great revision! :)Endzeitgeist2013-03-04T16:42:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#172013-03-04T16:29:10Z2013-03-04T16:29:10Z<p>Wow. 4.5 rounded to 4. I will let the writers know if they haven’t already seen it.</p>
<p>Thank you as always for the review End!</p>Wow. 4.5 rounded to 4. I will let the writers know if they haven’t already seen it.
Thank you as always for the review End!Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2013-03-04T16:29:10ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#162013-03-04T11:36:48Z2013-03-04T11:36:48Z<p>And revised my review here, on DTRPG and sent it to GMS magazine. Also posted it on d20pfsrd.com's shop since my review barely managed to come in below their word-limit. </p>
<p>Also, from my review I gather that Will's feedback was already incorporated in my version - great feedback as always from one of the talented crunch-designers out there.</p>
<p>Great job with the revision!</p>And revised my review here, on DTRPG and sent it to GMS magazine. Also posted it on d20pfsrd.com's shop since my review barely managed to come in below their word-limit.
Also, from my review I gather that Will's feedback was already incorporated in my version - great feedback as always from one of the talented crunch-designers out there.
Great job with the revision!Endzeitgeist2013-03-04T11:36:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#152013-02-26T22:51:25Z2013-02-26T22:51:25Z<p>Quick revision to pdf just now. On to the questions :)</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>Quick revision to pdf just now. On to the questions :)
[Spoiler omitted]Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2013-02-26T22:51:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#142013-02-26T20:12:42Z2013-02-26T20:12:42Z<p>I don't actually remember the framework of the original all that well, but let's see here...</p>
<p>Could you go into the design decision behind making Commanding Presence not working if polymorphed?</p>
<p>Tactical Strike: I like this one a lot. It's like Spell Combat, but for helping your allies out. Since you're your own ally, you could affect yourself with this too? How many times can this be used per round? If it's more than once, then I have some concerns about it. Namely giving 70 billion bonuses from aid another and aid-another-altering tactics on a full-attack. I can see an argument for how it doesn't work on a full-attack, but I don't see the phrase "Attack Action" anywhere, so I don't think that's the case.</p>
<p>At the Ready: I don't think I've seen this before, so that's pretty awesome.</p>
<p>Cunning Grace seems like it's a bit better than just about any other of these. Ok, maybe Cunning Maneuvers is good too. Well, a lot of the Cunning ones are.</p>
<p>Cunning Response: Ok...that's something I haven't seen much before. I'm not sure how useful it is, but little red flags popped up.</p>
<p>Targeting Shot: A bit apprehensive about this due to the power of archery already. Ensuring they can hit means they can deadly aim to their heart's content. It might be OK since you're giving up your action for the most part as tactical strike probably won't help ranged characters too much.</p>
<p>Lingering Speech: Little red flags. How many tactics / speeches can be active on a guy at a given time?</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>What I do remember after reading the first take was thinking "Oh boy, this could use some work and my review won't be so good." But I'm not thinking that anymore, at least after my quick read through. I think it has a better defined niche now, and compared to the War Master is more focused on "tactics" as well as being a bit more attack oriented. Of course, I don't have the reviewer's eye that EZG has, and I look forward to reading an updated review of his, if he does one.</p>I don't actually remember the framework of the original all that well, but let's see here...
Could you go into the design decision behind making Commanding Presence not working if polymorphed?
Tactical Strike: I like this one a lot. It's like Spell Combat, but for helping your allies out. Since you're your own ally, you could affect yourself with this too? How many times can this be used per round? If it's more than once, then I have some concerns about it. Namely giving 70 billion bonuses...Cheapy2013-02-26T20:12:42ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#132013-02-26T19:40:46Z2013-02-26T19:40:46Z<p>Just got the updated copy yesterday! Can't wait to read through it.</p>Just got the updated copy yesterday! Can't wait to read through it.Cheapy2013-02-26T19:40:46ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#122013-01-11T23:23:23Z2013-01-11T23:23:23Z<p>On Jan 31,2013 the revision will be uploaded
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Thanks for your waiting and your continued support of the Supporting Roles.</p>
<p>Greg LaRose
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AmoraGame.Com</p>On Jan 31,2013 the revision will be uploaded
Thanks for your waiting and your continued support of the Supporting Roles.
Greg LaRose
AmoraGame.ComAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2013-01-11T23:23:23ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#112012-12-14T20:43:21Z2012-12-14T20:43:21Z<p>As always great review Endzeitgeist. </p>
<p>Revision forth coming.</p>As always great review Endzeitgeist.
Revision forth coming.Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2012-12-14T20:43:21ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#102012-12-11T15:41:48Z2012-12-11T15:41:48Z<p>I'd try to combine both classes -retain the aid-centric ideas, add teamwork-feat-style bonuses à la centurion and offer options that actually make sense in their rules. Battle cries are a good idea, but need MASSIVE revisions. This has to compete with two 5-star classes PLUS all your archetypes and their ideas and honestly: It doesn't hold up at all. In any way. Neither idea-wise, nor design-wise.</p>
<p>Personally, my suggestion would be to read the respective publications carefully, reevaluate the aid-centric approach and build it from the ground back up. The class could probably be salvaged, but I'm not sure whether it would be good enough to compete with the Tactician or War Master if there were not that many glitches here. If both classes herein were combined and enough talent-chocies provided, then perhaps this could become viable.</p>
<p>Hope that helps. I hate rating products 1-star and will eb able to upgrade my review in the future. :(</p>I'd try to combine both classes -retain the aid-centric ideas, add teamwork-feat-style bonuses à la centurion and offer options that actually make sense in their rules. Battle cries are a good idea, but need MASSIVE revisions. This has to compete with two 5-star classes PLUS all your archetypes and their ideas and honestly: It doesn't hold up at all. In any way. Neither idea-wise, nor design-wise.
Personally, my suggestion would be to read the respective publications carefully, reevaluate...Endzeitgeist2012-12-11T15:41:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#92012-12-11T15:33:17Z2012-12-11T15:33:17Z<p>Endzeitgeist, which aspects of the class would you recommend focusing on if there was a rewrite? One of the aspects I like is tying it to the attack action.</p>
<p>My review of the class was going to be somewhat similar to yours, but I have a strong bias for these type of class options, as my publication history shows, so I was trying to look past the errors. In the end, I don't think I could give it more than 2.5 stars in good faith.</p>Endzeitgeist, which aspects of the class would you recommend focusing on if there was a rewrite? One of the aspects I like is tying it to the attack action.
My review of the class was going to be somewhat similar to yours, but I have a strong bias for these type of class options, as my publication history shows, so I was trying to look past the errors. In the end, I don't think I could give it more than 2.5 stars in good faith.Cheapy2012-12-11T15:33:17ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#82012-12-11T10:00:16Z2012-12-11T10:00:16Z<p>Reviewed here, on DTRPG and sent to GMS magazine and NERDTREK. Combat Styles was a step in the right direction - this one is two steps back.</p>Reviewed here, on DTRPG and sent to GMS magazine and NERDTREK. Combat Styles was a step in the right direction - this one is two steps back.Endzeitgeist2012-12-11T10:00:16ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#72012-11-14T16:22:07Z2012-11-14T16:22:07Z<p>Glad we could clear it up. Hopefully you have enjoyed the class :).</p>Glad we could clear it up. Hopefully you have enjoyed the class :).Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2012-11-14T16:22:07ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#62012-11-06T15:12:09Z2012-11-06T15:12:09Z<p>Alright, that clears it up. </p>
<p>I was following the thread this spawned from pretty closely and thought I understood it pretty well then, but honestly I got through the class here and wasn't really 100% sure how it worked. I felt maybe 80% sure.</p>Alright, that clears it up.
I was following the thread this spawned from pretty closely and thought I understood it pretty well then, but honestly I got through the class here and wasn't really 100% sure how it worked. I felt maybe 80% sure.Cheapy2012-11-06T15:12:09ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#52012-11-06T15:01:55Z2012-11-06T15:01:55Z<p>Hey Cheapy,</p>
<p>For Presence: When using a Presence Advanced Tactics it is a standard action to initiate per page 5 second column. It's kind of hidden in there.
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It does not need to be tied to tactical strike, direct order ability, BUT it does consist of an Aid Another action. So it's the aid another bonus (+2) plus Improved Aid bonus (let’s say 16th level +3) plus commanding presence (+4 at 16th). So at 16th level using "Impressive Presence" your ally you target would get a +9 bonus for a number of rounds = to the Commander's CHA mod. Crazy bonus right?</p>
<p>As far as the attack bonus from performing aid another action, or given from tactical strike or direct order, only last for the duration of a standard aid another action, which is only on the next attack role against the opponent. </p>
<p>Here is why: if using a tactical strike this round, on your next round you may do another tactical strike against the opponent and still give it to the same ally. </p>
<p>It was a game balance mechanic we felt was already built into the class function.
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Ex:
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I’m going to peg Orc A with a ranged attack and you are next to him. I succeed, roll my damage, and designate you as the ally to benefit from tactical strike. Your next attack against Orc A, you get the +2 from another action (plus any bonus from improved aid).
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On my turn again and if Orc A is still standing I can repeat the same pattern, or choose a new target etc.</p>
<p>Hope that helps answer your questions. If not please let me know and I will see where the wording may be confusing in the doc.
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- Greg</p>Hey Cheapy,
For Presence: When using a Presence Advanced Tactics it is a standard action to initiate per page 5 second column. It's kind of hidden in there.
It does not need to be tied to tactical strike, direct order ability, BUT it does consist of an Aid Another action. So it's the aid another bonus (+2) plus Improved Aid bonus (let’s say 16th level +3) plus commanding presence (+4 at 16th). So at 16th level using "Impressive Presence" your ally you target would get a +9 bonus for a number...Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2012-11-06T15:01:55ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#42012-11-06T03:00:05Z2012-11-06T03:00:05Z<p>Reading this now, and plan to review later. There are a few things that make me scratch my head, but one in particular stands out.</p>
<p>How does the Presence category of Advanced Tactics work? Is it a standard action? Does it need to be tied to aid another or direct order? Does the attack bonus from aid another last for mCha rounds per level?</p>Reading this now, and plan to review later. There are a few things that make me scratch my head, but one in particular stands out.
How does the Presence category of Advanced Tactics work? Is it a standard action? Does it need to be tied to aid another or direct order? Does the attack bonus from aid another last for mCha rounds per level?Cheapy2012-11-06T03:00:05ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#32012-11-05T19:11:29Z2012-11-05T19:11:29Z<p>A few people have asked what each class is all about. </p>
<p>The Commander is focused and built around the theme of Aid Another action. Giving bonus in battle for select targets and other abilities via the aid another skill check. </p>
<p>The centurion is a 10 level prestige class that acts as a field officer which focuses on teamwork feats and giving orders to his fellow soldiers.</p>
<p>So hope that answers a few of the questions we have had.</p>A few people have asked what each class is all about.
The Commander is focused and built around the theme of Aid Another action. Giving bonus in battle for select targets and other abilities via the aid another skill check.
The centurion is a 10 level prestige class that acts as a field officer which focuses on teamwork feats and giving orders to his fellow soldiers.
So hope that answers a few of the questions we have had.Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2012-11-05T19:11:29ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFAmora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#22012-11-02T19:38:32Z2012-11-02T19:38:32Z<p>Good to hear.
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Hopefully it lives up to expectations. Please let us know what you think of it Cheapy.</p>Good to hear.
Hopefully it lives up to expectations. Please let us know what you think of it Cheapy.Amora Game (alias of GarnathFrostmantle)2012-11-02T19:38:32ZForums: Product Discussion: Supporting Roles: Commander & Centurion (PFRPG) PDFCheapyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8vig/discuss?Supporting-Roles-Commander-Centurion#12012-11-02T18:29:16Z2012-11-02T18:29:16Z<p>In the shopping cart, and can't wait to read this!</p>In the shopping cart, and can't wait to read this!Cheapy2012-11-02T18:29:16Z