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Kevida wrote:Charlie Brooks, I misread your post. disregard my response.Charlie Brooks wrote:In case you didn't know (and if you do then please accept my most humble apology) the Sand Point Devil is based on "The Jersey Devil" which is a legend here on the East Coast.Well, my Christmas present is set. I run a non-Golarion campaign setting, but I'm sure I can still find room for things like the Sandpoint Devil there.
Add me to the list of folks calling for a Fey Revisited book, too.
I'd rather not, since I hadn't known to origin of the Sandpoint Devil. So even if you misread my post, you still gave me some useful new information.
Kevida |
Kevida wrote:I'd rather not, since I hadn't known to origin of the Sandpoint Devil. So even if you misread my post, you still gave me some useful new information.Kevida wrote:Charlie Brooks, I misread your post. disregard my response.Charlie Brooks wrote:In case you didn't know (and if you do then please accept my most humble apology) the Sand Point Devil is based on "The Jersey Devil" which is a legend here on the East Coast.Well, my Christmas present is set. I run a non-Golarion campaign setting, but I'm sure I can still find room for things like the Sandpoint Devil there.
Add me to the list of folks calling for a Fey Revisited book, too.
Well then no harm done. I am glad that I could give you some info. Maybe THAT will give you inspiration of how to incorporate the Sandpoint Devil in your homebrew! Good luck!
[thread hijack] There was an episode of Cake Boss (which takes place in Hoboken, NJ by the way) where Buddy (the head of Carlo's bakery) made a cake replica of The Jersey Devil for a customer who is with a group trying to prove The Jersey Devil's existance (like the Sasqatch hunters). The lengend goes that if you make fun of the Jersey Devil in its territory that something bad happens. Essentially Buddy said that the legend was all B.S. and at that moment the wings fell off of the cake prior to putting it in place. Well, I thought it was funny to bring up! [/thread hijack]MMCJawa |
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I am kind of hoping we get variants that reflect different versions of the cryptids.
In some areas Chupacabras are described more as canine creatures, while in other areas they have more monkey like attributes. Not to mention the classic alien appearance. All of these would make interesting variants
Oggron |
Current List:
>Chupacabra
>Mothman
>Sandpoint Devil
>Sasquatch
>Yeti
The speculation on the remaining 5 monsters? My opinions.
Water Orm + Sea Serpent are both very likely to appear, but due to thematic similarity and similar CR: I find it unlikely they'll both be in this book. Water Orm is the more likely, as it's currently estabilished lore screams cryptid.
I find the Deathworm to be unlikely as we've already had the thematically similar purple worm in another book. I can't see much variance in Bunyip, chickcharney, Chemosit or Tatzelwurm lore. Of previous suggestions the Globster is the one you could do the most with. But with other aquatic oozes out there, I don't see this one being used.
Kongamata is covered quite well in serpents skull, as is the Grootslang. Of the African Cryptids: Molele-Mbembe is perhaps the most recognisable and the first into print. Personally I'd vote for Grootslang, it's got a catchy name and cool lore.
I think the Carbuncle would fit well into this book as a novel low CR creature. It's a good example about misleading myths. Similarly, the Unicorn is one of those archetypal medieval myths that pop culture loves. I'd really like to read about some less sparkly variants (a la jim butcher summer knight/ ffX Ixion). Given the recent uprise of certain tv shows, I can easily see this one or pegasi being popular choices.
I haven't got mythical beasts Revisited. So I don't don't know if Hydra, basilisk, nemean lion, gorgan, cockatrice, stymphalides etc are covered there. But as these as more 'classical' legends I doubt they'll be in this book. One from native American and mess American myth I'd love to see tho is the Thunderbird. Or it's counterpart, the Roc from the classics. I think a nice big bird cryptid will fill out the set quite nicely.
My List:
>Grootslang
>Globster
>Thunderbird
>Unicorn
>Water Orm
MMCJawa |
Cryptids are animals that are believed to represent undiscovered species, and specifically refer to creatures that some people believe live today.
I don't believe Carbuncle or Unicorn were ever really considered cryptids, at least in the century where the term "cryptid" was coined.
Thunderbird and Globster are strong possibilities. Water Orm I would think would HAVE to be in it, since that is the creature that covers the Loch Ness monster
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Eric Hinkle |
I hope we get some hints on how to include alien weirdness and the Men In Black (the 'real' ones from modern paranoia/flying saucer lore, not the guys from the movie series) in the entry on Mothman. Anyone who ever read Keel's Mothman Prophecies knows it's just not Mothman without all sorts of paranormal weirdness going on while he's scaring people.
And the grootslang is an actual for-real cryptid? Wow. I would have sworn that one was original to the game. Live and learn!
Eric Hinkle |
It's Afrikaans for "big snake" - you'd hope the designers could think of a better name than that for a monster if they'd invented it from scratch. ;)
Thanks for the link.
And for more ideas with cryptids -- what about the Tano Giant, or the Fear Liath More (Big Grey Man, who might be best done as a fey), or any of the 'True Giants' (basically 15-20 foot tall 'Bigfoots')? Or would they be best handled as a yeti or sasquatch with the Giant simple template?
James Jacobs Creative Director |
I hope we get some hints on how to include alien weirdness and the Men In Black (the 'real' ones from modern paranoia/flying saucer lore, not the guys from the movie series) in the entry on Mothman. Anyone who ever read Keel's Mothman Prophecies knows it's just not Mothman without all sorts of paranormal weirdness going on while he's scaring people.
And the grootslang is an actual for-real cryptid? Wow. I would have sworn that one was original to the game. Live and learn!
I've read Keel's book twice. Once when I was a kid staying at Grandma's House... as with Stephen King, Dean Koontz, Clive Barker, F. Paul Wilson, House of Mystery, Tales of the Unexpected, Vault of Horror, and several others, I first learned of this particularly compelling brand of horror there. Grandma and Grandpa were all about the spookies!
In any event... Mothman is in other words in Pathfinder pretty much because of Keel's book. Some of the more sci-fi elements in that book (ufos, men in black) don't really translate all that well to a fantasy setting... but we'll see what we can do!
Evil Midnight Lurker |
In any event... Mothman is in other words in Pathfinder pretty much because of Keel's book. Some of the more sci-fi elements in that book (ufos, men in black) don't really translate all that well to a fantasy setting... but we'll see what we can do!
The... what was it, "keepers?" from 3.5 were fantasy Men in Black of the old school, and pretty well done, so it's certainly possible. :)
Sincubus |
It's Afrikaans for "big snake" - you'd hope the designers could think of a better name than that for a monster if they'd invented it from scratch. ;)
Its actually DUTCH for big snake, that's why I dispise the creature, the name is bad for dutch people... between all those cool english names a dutch word is just horrible...
Eric Hinkle |
Eric Hinkle wrote:I hope we get some hints on how to include alien weirdness and the Men In Black (the 'real' ones from modern paranoia/flying saucer lore, not the guys from the movie series) in the entry on Mothman. Anyone who ever read Keel's Mothman Prophecies knows it's just not Mothman without all sorts of paranormal weirdness going on while he's scaring people.
And the grootslang is an actual for-real cryptid? Wow. I would have sworn that one was original to the game. Live and learn!
I've read Keel's book twice. Once when I was a kid staying at Grandma's House... as with Stephen King, Dean Koontz, Clive Barker, F. Paul Wilson, House of Mystery, Tales of the Unexpected, Vault of Horror, and several others, I first learned of this particularly compelling brand of horror there. Grandma and Grandpa were all about the spookies!
In any event... Mothman is in other words in Pathfinder pretty much because of Keel's book. Some of the more sci-fi elements in that book (ufos, men in black) don't really translate all that well to a fantasy setting... but we'll see what we can do!
You had very cool grandparents, Mister Jacobs. For whatever role they played in getting you into writing for RPGs, I thank them!
And we kind of already have UFOs in Golarion, don't we? It's been implied in some of the fluff for the derro, and there's that fallen starship in Numeria -- there's the way you can use the Men in Black, they're alien abominations under the control of the Technic League, trying to stop outsiders from heeding Mothman's warnings to stop the Numerian sorcerers from using their alien technology to free the Great Old Ones.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
James Jacobs wrote:In any event... Mothman is in other words in Pathfinder pretty much because of Keel's book. Some of the more sci-fi elements in that book (ufos, men in black) don't really translate all that well to a fantasy setting... but we'll see what we can do!The... what was it, "keepers?" from 3.5 were fantasy Men in Black of the old school, and pretty well done, so it's certainly possible. :)
They didn't wear black modern suits or modern sunglasses. That's my point—that's what the men in black are.
I was never a huge fan of the keepers anyway, though.
James Jacobs Creative Director |
Zaister wrote:Because no one in modern times believes that they really exist.Dragon78 wrote:Nether Leucrotta or Peryton are cryptidsWhy not?
Correct. They're both ancient cryptids, but not modern ones, and in my book... it has to be contemporary to be a cryptid. If it's not, then it's just a mythological creature.
Especially in a book where we have room for 10 creatures and more than 10 good choices of modern cryptozoological creatures to feature.
doc the grey |
I wouldn't bet against the Jackalope making its Pathfinder debut.
Can't give you a jakalope but you do get the wolpertinger in shattered star 1
As for other creatures I would love to see the water orm get an entry as well as some from outside the states like the mokele kimbe think it's too easy to just hit the well known ones and I know Paizo would do these little known monsters justice.
As for fey which someone mentioned earlier that is inbound with a fey revisited book coming up in March.
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Does Pathfinder have an analogue to the Beast of Gevaudan? Although I suppose any large wolf-like monster would work for that, like a Worg.The Devil in Gray, from the Ustalav book, I think. No stats, though, as far as I've seen.
Yeah, I'd like to see one such myself, though it should be easy enough to do by giving a normal worg or winter wolf the Advanced and Giant templates and/or a few character levels (that, or have some evil druids or clerics of Lamashtu following it around to cast buffing and healing spells on it).
They made one such other reference briefly in Cities of Golarion, when they mentioned how in Lastwall they once had such a harsh winter that the river froze over. Then a pack of werewolves lead by 'a bob-tailed brute named Courtaud' entered the city to feast on the citizenry before getting killed. It's made even better by the fact that they took it from real history.
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Because no one in modern times believes that they really exist.
Have you seen the Sci-Fi - sorry, I mean Syfy - show Destination Truth? I guarantee you, with all the stupid things people believe, there's someone somewhere who thinks perytons and leucrottas are real. They had a show where they looked for leprachauns... I felt dirty after that episode.
Sincubus |
I'll have to keep waiting for the jackalope. :(
They will never do the Jackalope and dropbear... they kinda hate those creatures :*(
They did the Flumph, normal horses and foxes, stupid Rasts (really the most pathetic creature in the entire MM1) and even Undead Gunmans, but a Jackalope and Drop Bear (many people crave for) are too funny and hilaric to do...
I can't understand that however, hope they change their minds in the future!
But see it on the bright side! The new AP has two very cool new Rabbit monsters in it!
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Troodos |
We get a cryptids book before Fey? Seriously? I mean, it makes sense to have a cryptids book with as many as have been statted up for use in Pathfinder, but still... And this before a Monsters of the Dark Tapestry/Lovecraftian Nightmares book as well?
Yes, but only if their the creepy, eldritch fey like from Terry Prachett's books
Dragon78 |
There are stats for the Sandpoint Devil in the Innersea World Guide.
So we get:
1)Bunyip
2)Water Orm
3)Sea Serpant
4)Yeti
5)Bigfoot
6)Sandpoint Devil
7)Chupacabra
8)Deathworm
9)Mothmen
10)Mokele-mbembe
Interesting artwork, it looks like it was painted with water colors, at least the background and the monster anyway.
Mikaze |
NIEC
Really curious about the Mokele-mbembe. I figure its presence in the book means that it won't just be a regular dinosaur, so something special must be up with that one. Eager to see what it is.
Eager to see what spin is put on a lot of these really. Death worm, Chupacabra, Sandpoint/Jersey Devil...
Can't help but wonder if there's going to be any connections or conflict between Sasquatches and Yetis...
Love that Vinod Rams seems to be getting tapped to do the covers for the "weird" monster book covers. Got to meet him and Emily Fiegenschuh* last GenCon. Really nice folks and some very fun and fantastic art from both of them.
*Y'know, if you're still looking for artists for Fey Revisited...