Sweep the leg!

Oh man, talk about keeping a finger on the pulse of the Paizo message boards.

Just not sure which version to buy.

So there are two 3PP companies whose products I'll buy instantly: Kobold Press and Legendary Games. Tickled pink by this one!

Please tell me this has some cool things my Tien synthesist summoner can use!

Can there be a portrait/landscape bundle for like $8.50 or something?

Waiting for a review, but I am very interested.

Waiting for a review, but I am very interested.

No need to wait; you can BE that reviewer! Come on, take the plunge; I have it on good authority that this product is AWESOME!

I certainly think it's awesome. But I'm biased. ;-)

If I do I'll buy it tomorrow. Two such neutral opinions simply cannot be ignored.

In all honesty, I think folks who enjoy the idea of putting a bit of martial artistry into every type of combat-capable character (and not just monks, ninja, and samurai) will find this supplement useful. Jason even had the foresight to make sure less combat-capable characters (including spellcasters) would find something useful among the more meditative options. The Way of Ki is a fun rules add-on for just about any game. Not just those that feature Eastern-style tropes.

Align Ki and Hadouken are on my Want list for my dream monk now. :)

Align Ki and Hadouken are on my Want list for my dream monk now. :)

I'm struck with the mental image of a monk who travels the plane of dreams while meditating and...

I want to play that character.

Bought, love it...well done!!!

How does Hadouken interact with Efreeti (Marid, Djinni, etc) Style; would the player add twice their Wisdom bonus to the elemental damage?

Really enjoy the product so far, great work!

How does Hadouken interact with Efreeti (Marid, Djinni, etc) Style; would the player add twice their Wisdom bonus to the elemental damage?

Yep, although the Hadouken Wisdom damage bonus is a special add-on only with a crit, whereas Efreeti/etc. Style applies on any Elemental Fist attack. Hadouken does other fun stuff, though!

Really enjoy the product so far, great work!

Glad you're enjoying it, and we'd love to see some reviews from folks who are checking out the product. If you think it's aces, a positive word from you might encourage someone else to check it out and pick up a copy and share the happy with you!

Question on the Ki tattoo feat, the wording in the second paragraph is a little bit stilted- saying you gain the effects of a ki feat as if you always had one ki point then a new uncapitalized sentence saying you can use the feat for one less ki point and then another uncapitalized sentence that just states "always had one ki point in his pool". As it stands, that is incredibly confusing. Does it allow you permanent access as if you had one ki point and allow you to use one less point once per day if applicable?

Also of note- this was in the portrait version of the pdf.

Question on the Ki tattoo feat, the wording in the second paragraph is a little bit stilted- saying you gain the effects of a ki feat as if you always had one ki point then a new uncapitalized sentence saying you can use the feat for one less ki point and then another uncapitalized sentence that just states "always had one ki point in his pool". As it stands, that is incredibly confusing. Does it allow you permanent access as if you had one ki point and allow you to use one less point once per day if applicable?

Also of note- this was in the portrait version of the pdf.

I'll check on this today after work.

Loved this product so far. The Kiai line of feats looks incredibly fun, and my Dragon Synthesist will likely need to pick them up!

I was really happy to see inventive ways of allowing any class to pick up Ki feats in place of regular class abilities. I think some Ki-focused archetypes would blend nicely as a follow-up product ;)

Well, got it, read it, like it lol.

After I've had some time to digest it a little more I'll see about posting a review, its (mostly) good stuff.

I Ki Tattoo was the only big editing error, but if you take out the extra parts that repeatedly say the same thing, it makes sense. So I'd guess that whole sentence there should read more like:
"a creature with a ki tattoo gains the constant effects of that feat as if he always had 1 point in his ki pool."
The extra parts in the pdf I would assume are from an earlier version of the feat.

Other than the picture on the front, is there any difference in the pdfs?

Azten, one is in portrait format (2 columns and vertically oriented) and the other is landscape (3 columns and horizontally oriented).

For comparison, a lot of Super Genius Games material is landscape format, and a lot of Rite Publishing material is portrait format.

I think Legendary Games is sneakily trying to figure out which format to go ahead with in the future, based on popularity.

That's all I wanted to know! Thanks!

Bringing this comment over to this side from my review since I'm seeing some stuff from the authors!

First off, GREAT production value. I love the look and feel of this! Second, a great number of the feats look very cool.

However, I have a few beefs. You mention ninja a few times in the product brief, saying "expanded options for the the monk, ninja, and samurai."

The problem is that nearly all of the feats assume a WIS based ki pool and character build. Ninja are CHA ki pool based, and most Ninja builds I have made and seen keep WIS at 10 or perhaps 12 in favor of bumping up CHA, DEX and STR or CON.

Specifically, most feats have Wis 13 as a requirement and base the length of effect or strength of impact on the Wisdom modifier.

It would be nice if somewhere near the front it said, "Ninjas use their Charisma score in place of Wisdom for purposes of feat requirements and for the number of rounds that effects last for all feats in this book."

Azten, one is in portrait format (2 columns and vertically oriented) and the other is landscape (3 columns and horizontally oriented).

For comparison, a lot of Super Genius Games material is landscape format, and a lot of Rite Publishing material is portrait format.

I think Legendary Games is sneakily trying to figure out which format to go ahead with in the future, based on popularity.

Oh, we're not that sneaky about it... :)

As Tim continues working out the kinks of doing two-format layout, if we can streamline the process enough we may continue to do both going forward. If in the end it proves to be an unmanageable amount of extra work to do both for every product in perpetuity, then we'll settle on the one that shows the most sales.

Vote with your dollars! It may not matter if we keep doing both, but if you've got a strong preference, let us know.

By the way, in reference to the review posted by "tocath," I should say it's a funny thing that happens sometimes when you are editing, that you are so sure that you put something in there that your mind just kind of slides right past it when it's not there, and it's sort of a non-obvious point so even when others are reading over your manuscript they may not catch it.

To wit: Tocath is correct; ninjas *ARE* supposed to substitute their Cha for the Wis prerequisite for all these feats. I'll go in and adjust the files when I check back on the problem with Ki Tattoo later on after work, so we should have the revised files fixed up and reposted soon.

Thanks for pointing out the oversight, and hopefully you'll be happy to re-review the product once that has been corrected.

By the way, in reference to the review posted by "tocath," I should say it's a funny thing that happens sometimes when you are editing, that you are so sure that you put something in there that your mind just kind of slides right past it when it's not there, and it's sort of a non-obvious point so even when others are reading over your manuscript they may not catch it.

To wit: Tocath is correct; ninjas *ARE* supposed to substitute their Cha for the Wis prerequisite for all these feats. I'll go in and adjust the files when I check back on the problem with Ki Tattoo later on after work, so we should have the revised files fixed up and reposted soon.

Thanks for pointing out the oversight, and hopefully you'll be happy to re-review the product once that has been corrected.

Jason,

I would love to re-review it! Thanks so much for following up so quickly!

And I would just say that it is probably more than just requirements. For example, if there is a way to word the addendum in such a way as to impact things like this as well, that would be ideal.

"You can use Ki Focus a number of times per day equal to your Wisdom bonus." or "These temporary hit points do not stack with any other temporary hit points and last for a number of hours equal to your Wisdom modifier or until expended."

"Classes that receive a ki pool that is keyed off an ability score other than Wisdom use that ability score instead of Wisdom for everything in this book, including feat prerequisites, feat abilities, etc."

Something like that would work swimmingly.

Revised files are uploaded to Paizo but have to be processed by the staff before they go live, so expect downloadability sometime tomorrow.

P.S. A customer asked about the possibility of having Legendary Games product without the hyperlinks, to make it easier to use on smartphones without accidentally hitting the links. I had Tim go through this product and see how much trouble it would be to take out the links. Turns out that it is, of course, entirely possible to do, but the time investment to de-link and also take out the underlining seemed like more than would be feasible. We believe the links are a core functionality of our electronic product and we think they add a lot of value, so just creating products without the links isn't an option we intend to pursue.

If you are using our products on a smartphone or other smaller device where you find the links obtrusive, you could try resaving the document in Acrobat, which I believe offers you the option to strip out hyperlinks yourself. Alas if that's not the answer you were hoping for, but hopefully you will still be able to enjoy our products even with the links.

Thanks everyone for the great feedback, and keep those reviews coming, not just for The Way of Ki but for all of our products!

Edited my review. Thanks much, Jason!

So, other than "no hyperlinks," are there any versions you all would like to see from LG - mobile friendly, ePub/Mobi/Lit versions, page animations? PM me with your requests and I'll see what I can do!

Okay, just picked this up.

I only have one little quibble after giving it a quick once-over:

Ki Regeneration doesn't list a cost in Ki Points to activate.

That makes it way too powerful.

What should the cost be?

Okay, just picked this up.

I only have one little quibble after giving it a quick once-over:

Ki Regeneration doesn't list a cost in Ki Points to activate.

That makes it way too powerful.

What should the cost be?

Cost to activate Ki Regeneration should be 1 ki point. For that matter, that's really the default mechanic, that activating a ki feat takes 1 ki point. In the absence of other notes to the contrary, that should be the baseline assumption. I thought I had covered all eventualities, but alas for imperfections!

Hope you are enjoying the product!

1 Ki Point. Got it!

And yes, it's quite good!

Thanks! :D

Just a quick note to our fans and a thank-you to everyone who has purchased and is enjoying The Way of Ki as it is flying off the virtual shelves:

After being available for just a week, this product has already equaled the sales of our prior best-seller's sales for the first MONTH! Thanks for making this product a hit, and we hope you keep coming back for more as we are on pace for our best sales month ever!

Viva la YOU!

Any chance of this going to Hero's Lab, as a alternate 3rd party material?

P.S. A customer asked about the possibility of having Legendary Games product without the hyperlinks, to make it easier to use on smartphones without accidentally hitting the links. I had Tim go through this product and see how much trouble it would be to take out the links. Turns out that it is, of course, entirely possible to do, but the time investment to de-link and also take out the underlining seemed like more than would be feasible. We believe the links are a core functionality of our electronic product and we think they add a lot of value, so just creating products without the links isn't an option we intend to pursue.

If you are using our products on a smartphone or other smaller device where you find the links obtrusive, you could try resaving the document in Acrobat, which I believe offers you the option to strip out hyperlinks yourself. Alas if that's not the answer you were hoping for, but hopefully you will still be able to enjoy our products even with the links.

That was me. I'm a little embarrassed you went to that trouble actually. I didn't mean could you guys remove the hyper linking. I was just generally asking if anyone knew how to "turn it off" in good reader.

I really like your stuff by the way (and will even more once I train my clumsy fingers a bit better). Eager for some hard copy versions.. :)

Woo hoo! Top download for the week on the Paizo webstore. Thanks, everyone.

Any chance of this going to Hero's Lab, as a alternate 3rd party material?

Neil talked to someone from HeroLab at GenCon and they talked about maybe sending us a copy to look at inputting a product. I am not personally very familiar with using HeroLab, so the best I can say is that we may well try creating some HeroLab-compatible products down the road, but it's not on the front burner. Our main focus is on creating new products and we have to balance that need versus the time investment required to revise existing products into new formats. We will definitely consider it, though.

Great addition to my growing collection of 3PP books on monks. I did have a clarifying question, I'm assuming that crystals created using Imbue Ki Crystal are limited to having 1 ki point stored; is that correct?

Are this rules legal for PFS characters?

Are this rules legal for PFS characters?

I doubt it. I don't believe the Pathfinder Society honors third-party products. But I could be wrong...

At this time, there are no third-party products that are Pathfinder Society legal. Should one ever be, we'll post it on the Additional Resources page.

I've been thinking of using ki as a way of handling Psionics in Pathfinder (as opposed to the standard sort-of-like-magic treatment). This might just fit the bill. I'll have to check it out!

@ Cthulhudrew there are a couple of 3PP books that use Psionics to handle Ki, though I've not been impressed by their approach. Check out Power of Ki, might give you some ideas.

@Lareg- Yeah, I checked out the Power of Ki, and while I liked the idea of tying ki into psionics that way (obviously, it fell within the purview of what I was already considering), it didn't quite go far enough for my tastes, and in one or two places actually went kind of askew.

Mostly, though, it was just 3.5 Psionics again, which- don't get me wrong, I think the XPH was the best handling of it in D&D thus far- is still not quite what I'm interested in.

If The Way of Ki isn't quite there, either, maybe a hybrid of them could work.

@ Cthulhudrew The Way of Ki doesn't seem like it's all that close to psionics, but it's really well done. The suggestions and feats for opening up ki to other classes seems like it could work as a good approach to psionics. I have to be honest, I really like the way Psionics Unleashed works. Prior to Pathfinder I'd only ever seen 4ed DnD, so I have little background for comparison (unless you count Shadowrun - lol).

Well, hopefully one day it can happen. But yes, main concentration on your products is paramount.

Thanks for replying.

Island Hopper19 wrote:

Any chance of this going to Hero's Lab, as a alternate 3rd party material?

Neil talked to someone from HeroLab at GenCon and they talked about maybe sending us a copy to look at inputting a product. I am not personally very familiar with using HeroLab, so the best I can say is that we may well try creating some HeroLab-compatible products down the road, but it's not on the front burner. Our main focus is on creating new products and we have to balance that need versus the time investment required to revise existing products into new formats. We will definitely consider it, though.

Great addition to my growing collection of 3PP books on monks. I did have a clarifying question, I'm assuming that crystals created using Imbue Ki Crystal are limited to having 1 ki point stored; is that correct?

Yep, each one stores 1 ki point, period.

It's a battery storage system that does allow you to bank some extra ki, or potentially share it with someone else who has a ki pool, but you won't be able to just stack them up like cord wood to go mega-super-ultra-nova.

@Lareg- Yeah, I checked out the Power of Ki, and while I liked the idea of tying ki into psionics that way (obviously, it fell within the purview of what I was already considering), it didn't quite go far enough for my tastes, and in one or two places actually went kind of askew.

Mostly, though, it was just 3.5 Psionics again, which- don't get me wrong, I think the XPH was the best handling of it in D&D thus far- is still not quite what I'm interested in.

If The Way of Ki isn't quite there, either, maybe a hybrid of them could work.

As to the question of things in The Way of Ki which went kind of askew for your tastes, regrets that the product didn't quite tickle your fancy. As to the whether it didn't go far enough, however, I'd invite you to check out the imminently available Meditations of the Imperial Mystics when it releases, possibly by tomorrow but at the latest by Monday. It delves more deeply into connections of ki, magic, and mysticism, including supernatural acupuncture, internalization of extreme yin and yang, linkage of mind, spirit, and fate through spirit-auras, as well as the mortification of the flesh and how ki can span the threshold of life and death.

Whether it exactly fits your appetite for psionics-type stuff, who knows? I can certainly see similarities in how you would use ki as a "third kind of magic" in the same way you'd use psionics. I'm not altogether clear on your second paragraph, as to whether you thought The Way of Ki felt like 3.5 psionics, or perhaps it was the other 3PP psi-products you saw, but I'd certainly encourage you to check out the new product and see if it might further enhance the non-traditional realms of supernatural stuff that you want to use in your campaign, whether you call them ki, psionics, or anything else.