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Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Paths of Prestige

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While many legendary heroes of Golarion fit easily into the core classes of the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game—the sword-swinging fighters, fireball-flinging wizards, backstabbing rogues, and others—there are some who specialize in unique styles and techniques, perfectly customizing themselves for their roles. For these characters, there are prestige classes. From the undead-hunting Knights of Ozem to the revolutionary Gray Gardeners of Galt, this book collects 30 of the most prominent faiths and factions from around the Inner Sea and transforms them into prestige classes designed to help you take advantage of the tricks and tactics of some of Golarion’s most famous (and infamous) groups, all while rooting your character firmly in the lore and societies of the Pathfinder campaign setting.

    Within this 64-page book, you’ll find new prestige class options for every character class in the Pathfinder RPG, including:
  • The Aldori swordlord, world-renowned dueling master of the turbulent north.
  • The Hellknight signifer, an armored spellcaster who uses magic to pursue the perfect, iron-fisted law of Hell.
  • The gun-toting shieldmarshal, whose bright badge brings order to the chaos of the Mana Wastes.
  • The mammoth rider, savage megafauna cavalry expert.
  • The Sleepless detective, uniquely suited to solving mysteries both magical and mundane in haunted Ustalav.
  • The winter witch, whose ice magic keeps a whole nation in thrall.
  • ...and 24 more!

Paths of Prestige is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and the Pathfinder campaign setting, but can easily be used in any fantasy game setting.

By Benjamin Bruck, Jason Bulmahn, Matt Goodall, and Jason Nelson

September 13, 2012 The Winter Witch prestige class has been updated and is available for download. (1.2MB zip/PDF)

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-451-1

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So I've got an elven illusionist in my Kingmaker game (just beat book 1 tonight, woohoo!), and I'm looking at Veiled Illusionist. From what I can tell, if you're focusing on illusion spells there is no reason not to go for this. Its flavorful, the mechanics are good, and the only things you really lose are Invisibility Field at lvl 8 (meh) and some bonus feats (admittedly a significant loss). You've still got full casting, you gain new class skills, get a bonus illusion spell every level, and a bunch of other great tricks!


I like much of Paths of Prestige, but I have a couple of questions about the Knights of Ozem. I had hoped this would be covered here but may yet see light in the Knights book.

So, who was Ozem??? (if a person) or where is Ozem??? (if a place) and beside the ever changing series of patron gods and their symbols, do the knights have an emblem, device or symbol from ancient times?? like "knights of the phoenix", "knights of the golden lion" etc.etc.etc.

Is any of this going to be covered or should I just work something up myself?

Cheliax

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Annika wrote:

I like much of Paths of Prestige, but I have a couple of questions about the Knights of Ozem. I had hoped this would be covered here but may yet see light in the Knights book.

So, who was Ozem??? (if a person) or where is Ozem??? (if a place) and beside the ever changing series of patron gods and their symbols, do the knights have an emblem, device or symbol from ancient times?? like "knights of the phoenix", "knights of the golden lion" etc.etc.etc.

Is any of this going to be covered or should I just work something up myself?

When in doubt, turn to the PathfinderWiki.

Grand Lodge

Overall I really liked this book one thing i didnt care for were the rather steep skill requirements to join the aldori swordlord prestige class.Fourteen points if your a fighter with a ten int.Thats not so bad for nonfighters but for fighters thats harsh to say the least.A minimum of seventh level for our poor dumb fighter,and thats assuming he doesnt need to ride a horse or swim or climb.Otherwise a great overall prestige class but i just think its rather harsh.It makes the class nearly unattainable on a 15 point buy for fighters at least in my opinion.


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i absolutely love the razmiran priest. its my favorite aspect of golarion and was one of my next characters. now that i have this prestige class and the archetype in inner sea magic for my favorite class, the sorcerer, it IS my next character. Razmir be praised.

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fasthd97 wrote:
Overall I really liked this book one thing i didnt care for were the rather steep skill requirements to join the aldori swordlord prestige class.Fourteen points if your a fighter with a ten int.Thats not so bad for nonfighters but for fighters thats harsh to say the least.A minimum of seventh level for our poor dumb fighter,and thats assuming he doesnt need to ride a horse or swim or climb.Otherwise a great overall prestige class but i just think its rather harsh.It makes the class nearly unattainable on a 15 point buy for fighters at least in my opinion.

It seems like a class where you'd probably want to take something like Combat Expertise, which requires and int of 13, and then you have 15 skill points by 5th level to spend. More if you use your favored class bonuses.

Osirion

Out of curiosity - what is the caster level progression for the Hellknight Signifer?

Qadira

minoritarian wrote:
Out of curiosity - what is the caster level progression for the Hellknight Signifer?

100% full casting

Grand Lodge

BobROE (Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber) Yesterday, 09:43 PM
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It seems like a class where you'd probably want to take something like Combat Expertise, which requires and int of 13, and then you have 15 skill points by 5th level to spend. More if you use your favored class bonuses.
Even so its still a very expensive class 14 skill points is a lot even with int of 13 and if your not a fighter the four or five feats makes it pretty hefty cost wise as well.Add in your combat expertise and now you have spent all of your feats and at least 90% of your skill points making you a one trick pony.Its still a fun class but i just think the requirements are a bit steep.

Osirion

GeneticDrift wrote:
minoritarian wrote:
Out of curiosity - what is the caster level progression for the Hellknight Signifer?
100% full casting

Nice!

A Sorcadin with 9th level spells and 16+ BAB is still juuuuuuust out of reach though (unless using factions). grrrr


Robert Jordan wrote:
Only thing that's made me sad, I really wanted the Shieldmarshal to be in a browncoat.

I am now in the mood for a Galorian based Firely.

"On an Airship named Serenity a group of adventurers travel the skies of Galorian looking for their next job in order to keep both their rusty ship afloat and their family together."

Silver Crusade

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Mikaze wrote:

finally notices where the chain on the Umbral Court Agent's earring is going

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

double-checks to be sure

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Meh.... no brandings, no stuff shoved under the skin, no open wounds... I have seen worse....

But for some reason the picture from Champion of Irori creeps me out.

And of course the art from the Grey Gardener and the Green Faith Acolyte scream World of Warcraft ... in a good way. The Grey Gardener looks a bit like a repurposed defias thief and the acolyte reminds me of one of the wardens of Ulduar. Of course the artist did a lot of WOW work.

Best picture in the book, Winter Witch (female) the familiar really elevates it above the others.


Is this manual Open Game Content? Will we see the content on Pahfinder SRD?


I think most of this book is open game content. Paizo will probably never bother to add it to the PRD (since it is not one of the primary rule books), but the d20pfsrd folks have mentioned that they have the material prepared but are waiting until next week to post it because they want sufficient time after release date to pass.


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Ooh, yes the mammoth rider utterly pulverises ANYTHING with their charges. Charge for stagger and usual damage, then add their own lil version of smite to it all.

Ofcourse, the noble scion probly comes out on top, as every6thing is easy to them. Oh the unbearable lighness of existance! Multiple henchmen and servants, free money for even more servants and meanwhile all real problems can be handled with a smile and a kind word!

Storm kindler :) Now thats for someone that like their storms, wind and sea. Youll be at home in all that. Meanwhile capable of some pretty awesome tricks not easily duplicated by anyone else.... fly into the storm, drop down into the ocean stay below a few hours and return flying up thru the waves! FUN! Oh and transform yourself into a stormcloud.. and GRAB! people.. even whole freaking elephants.. scary..

Tattoed mystic, get ready for the new illusionist that goes invisible, when freaking you out with their illusions.. Oh and alomost forgot, they can do the stafflike wand trick with their tattoos... yup thats both items and scrolls.. be very afraid of one with a creative player.. (both creative illusions and creative custom designed items). This class is quite good at creativeness.


But yeah, the greatest thing tho.
Each and every PRC is a part of the world. They exist!

They actually exist, the background exists and the orders they belong to exists. It MATTERS when you belong to one of the prc:s.


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Question.. Why is the manuver master Monk NOT allowed to become a Brother of the Seal... ahhhhhh...
Please errata this prerequisites to include flurry of manuvers or flurry of blows.


Michael Haferkamp wrote:

Question.. Why is the manuver master Monk NOT allowed to become a Brother of the Seal... ahhhhhh...

Please errata this prerequisites to include flurry of manuvers or flurry of blows.

Tetori has the same problem.. perhaps a blanket rule that allowed any archtype ability substitution also follow through to prestige classes.

So, if you swap out Flurry of Blows for "X".. any prestige class that requires/modifies Flurry of Blows now requires/modifies "X".. it probably wouldnt work for everything.. but probably 95% of these issues would be gone.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

That's been brought up before, and shot down.


I got the book and I love it. I can't go into very much detail right now, but I do love the idea behind the Alkenstar Shieldmarshal. I've long wondered what in-game reason there is for the lack of interest in and work on firearms by nations of the Inner Sea, and now we know why -- because Alkenstar sends the Shieldmarshals out to kill the people who try it!

Given an idea I've had for Kingmaker in which the PCs attempt to start their own gunsmithing in their new kingdom, having a few Shieldmarshals drop by should keep things interesting.


A shield marshal in skull and shackles would be great, especially for making sense of the endgame.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Michael Haferkamp wrote:

Question.. Why is the manuver master Monk NOT allowed to become a Brother of the Seal... ahhhhhh...

Please errata this prerequisites to include flurry of manuvers or flurry of blows.

Prestige classes are by design better options on the whole for non-archetyped classes. When an archetyped class can still qualify for a prestige class... that's certainly great... but the fact is that when you take an archetype, you're already starting to deviate from the baseline, and the more you mix multiple archetypes and prestige classes, the better the chance is of stumbling across a combination that might be particularly broken.

That said... if a prestige class's prerequisites are something that you no longer qualify for because of an archetype, but your archetype would thematically fit perfectly into that prestige class... I would hope that most GMs would grandfather the archetyped class into the game.

I get that that isn't as much an option for PFS characters... but as I've said before in other threads, hyper-specializing characters using multiple different options is something that really does require the GM to make the call on the spot, and in some cases, that's unfortunately too tricky to pull off for the society.

AKA: Not every character is appropriate for Pathfinder Society. Hopefully if there are certain options that are just too good to pass up, the Pathfinder Society will issue some exceptions or the like, but given the vast amount of product we publish... there's ALWAYS going to be cases where not every option is available.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Michael Haferkamp wrote:

Tetori has the same problem.. perhaps a blanket rule that allowed any archtype ability substitution also follow through to prestige classes.

So, if you swap out Flurry of Blows for "X".. any prestige class that requires/modifies Flurry of Blows now requires/modifies "X".. it probably wouldnt work for everything.. but probably 95% of these issues would be gone.

That's actually a pretty elegant solution to the system, and one that I'd like to see us look into embracing, to tell the truth. Especially since I feel like this book more or less proves to Paizo that there IS still a demand for prestige classes—the fact that we've not done much at all with prestige classes until this point while we HAVE done a lot with archetypes means that, for better or worse, we've not 100% thought through how archetypes and prestige classes might (or in these cases, might not) play well with each other.


Clarity on Dragon Disciple + Crossblooded (whether or not DD advancement can advance/allow new BL ability choices from non-Draconic part) would be great... Obviously not a scenario envisioned when DD was written, and I don't feel like it's within the intent of DD, but many seem to feel it's legit per the RAW.


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Angel Valens wrote:
A shield marshal in skull and shackles would be great, especially for making sense of the endgame.

Yeah but stuck on a pirate ship on the other side of the continent... why would the Shield Marshals accept you, and where would you get your training? I mean if you just take prestige classes and ignore even the semblance of RP training it would work... otherwise.. not so well.

Now, I DID think about that myself too... so it merits thought on how to make it work from an RP standpoint :)

In fact, if I ever played S&S I was going to play a gunslinger from Alkenstar. Alas, I am stuck GMing it instead and if I were to introduce the gunslinger in question, my players would revolt cause she's based on a character I tend to remake in every game system LOL

Cheliax

Any word on when errata for this might hit?

I was reading up earlier in the thread on the confusion behind Winter Witch. I really want to pick up the PrC for my Winter Witch (Archetype) in PFS, but I'm wary because I fear table variation on just what the class does and does not give her.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

bdk86 wrote:

Any word on when errata for this might hit?

I was reading up earlier in the thread on the confusion behind Winter Witch. I really want to pick up the PrC for my Winter Witch (Archetype) in PFS, but I'm wary because I fear table variation on just what the class does and does not give her.

We generally don't do errata for softcover books. That said... last I heard, there WAS something in the works to make the Winter Witch prestige class less confusing...

Cheliax

James Jacobs wrote:
bdk86 wrote:

Any word on when errata for this might hit?

I was reading up earlier in the thread on the confusion behind Winter Witch. I really want to pick up the PrC for my Winter Witch (Archetype) in PFS, but I'm wary because I fear table variation on just what the class does and does not give her.

We generally don't do errata for softcover books. That said... last I heard, there WAS something in the works to make the Winter Witch prestige class less confusing...

Huzzah! And I'd even be happy for a blog post of all things, just so I have documentation.

Paizo Employee Developer

bdk86 wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
bdk86 wrote:

Any word on when errata for this might hit?

I was reading up earlier in the thread on the confusion behind Winter Witch. I really want to pick up the PrC for my Winter Witch (Archetype) in PFS, but I'm wary because I fear table variation on just what the class does and does not give her.

We generally don't do errata for softcover books. That said... last I heard, there WAS something in the works to make the Winter Witch prestige class less confusing...
Huzzah! And I'd even be happy for a blog post of all things, just so I have documentation.

There will definitely be some errata for the Winter Witch coming down the pipeline here in a little bit.

Paizo Employee Developer

The errata Patrick is talking about is right here!


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Adam Daigle wrote:
The errata Patrick is talking about is right here!

Could this fix be put in an updated version of the PDF for those who have it?


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^ +1

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Our product PDFs always mirror the latest printed edition of the product; if we didn't do that, we'd spend all of our days constantly updating all of our PDFs, and not producing anything new.


I respect your answer, as I respect you. However, it looks like this one is all formatted and ready to copy and replace. Maybe that perception is wrong, or maybe there's a more compelling reason for sticking to policy than just to be consistent. But I can't see those things from here.


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Fredrik wrote:


I respect your answer, as I respect you. However, it looks like this one is all formatted and ready to copy and replace. Maybe that perception is wrong, or maybe there's a more compelling reason for sticking to policy than just to be consistent. But I can't see those things from here.

Let's see... small company plus many products in the pipeline = no extra time. Just a bit of errata can juggle the whole print layout of a PDF, mess with the art layout etc. It's more work than it sounds like. Paizo does produce errata PDFs (just the errata) for hardbacks pending the next printing of a book (which includes the current errata / fixes) but, again they might not have the manpower to do this for everything else they do (such as softcover books). The old copy / paste / print (with citation) and keep a copy with your book might be your best bet. Or you could get really old school and pencil the fixes into your book. Or wait for the reprint and re-download your PDF, print out a page and pop that into your hardcopy. All imo, of course, although I imagine Vic Wertz could confirm a lot of this.


Did you even download and view the PDF that we're talking about before presuming to lecture me? Re-flowed pages with illos and everything.


Fredrick, I think the point is that even though the PDF looks all nice, neat and formatted, it is not that easy at all to simply 'drop it in' and replace the text in the book. If paizo did that, then that might push a couple words to the next page after, and by he back of the book, it might be 3 or 4 pages off from where everything says it should be or reference.

I've experienced that sort of thing with Word documents, and they're infinitely less complicated than a book layout....

Cheliax

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Arknight wrote:

Fredrick, I think the point is that even though the PDF looks all nice, neat and formatted, it is not that easy at all to simply 'drop it in' and replace the text in the book. If paizo did that, then that might push a couple words to the next page after, and by he back of the book, it might be 3 or 4 pages off from where everything says it should be or reference.

I've experienced that sort of thing with Word documents, and they're infinitely less complicated than a book layout....

The PDF is a two page spread that theoretically would simply replace those two pages.


I just see the winter wicth in paizo blog.

In these version there isn´t bonus hex at 7 and 9 level. Level 5 has change.

Is a new version or I translate wrong the tex?


It's an errata aka "update".

Ruyan.


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Fredrik wrote:
Did you even download and view the PDF that we're talking about before presuming to lecture me? Re-flowed pages with illos and everything.

I wasn't "lecturing you". You would know if I was. I teach :) Just pointing out some factors that mitigate against them redoing their PDFs for every bit of errata. Not specifically on this PDF, but in general why they don't do it. It's why the PDFs only reflect changes when they do a new print edition (because they're redoing the layout / entering errata anyway). It's about time and workflow. Sorry if you took offense, but if you already understood the issue why the complaint? And if you didn't why take offense at the information?


I am having to greatly restrain myself. I was very respectful, and absolutely correct, and yet I have twice (now thrice) been lectured by people who apparently don't know what they're talking about, since the re-layout was already done in the downloadable errata PDF.

@R_Chance: I'm sorry that you're confused by what should be obvious, but I will be happy to explain why I took offense. You see, my original post was explicitly specific to just this one update; and you were incredibly condescending with your list of other ways that I could integrate it with the product, aside from it being put in the product PDF.


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Fredrik wrote:


I am having to greatly restrain myself. I was very respectful, and absolutely correct, and yet I have twice (now thrice) been lectured by people who apparently don't know what they're talking about, since the re-layout was already done in the downloadable errata PDF.

@R_Chance: I'm sorry that you're confused by what should be obvious, but I will be happy to explain why I took offense. You see, my original post was explicitly specific to just this one update; and you were incredibly condescending with your list of other ways that I could integrate it with the product, aside from it being put in the product PDF.

I had thought you were questioning more than this errata. Yes, I have the original PDF and the 2 page replacement spread. Further upthread I said "Not specifically on this PDF, but in general why they don't do it". I was suggesting why, as a policy, they don't update the PDFs until reprinting. I suggested alterations / printouts to a dead tree version or just waiting if you want your PDF all nice and neat until they reprint. I don't see them making exceptions for a specific product (although having the PDF myself, that would be nice). I will be patiently awaiting the updated PDF on reprint myself. I was not trying to be condescending. Nor am I at the moment.

Having said that, I am done with this conversation. It has obviously gone down paths I did not intend or, I think, suggest.


You talk a lot. I don't. If I'm brief, it's because I have a degree in math. We're trained that way.

That said, I perceive that you really didn't intend to come across the way that you did. I'm happy to ignore this thread and treat our next meeting as a new one. :)


I was just asking for the update due to the fact that your PDF's are locked and cannot be altered. So I am not able to do the update to my copy myself.

if it's too much of a problem we don't need to bite each others heads about it. if it can be done, then do your best. if it would take too much time, effort, money, and would impeded the development of new and more awesome supplements, then simply state so and we will move on to a more wonderful sunrise and leave this icy witch (you know what I mean) behind us and look towards spring with it's champions of light.

Silver Crusade

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Just a quick question, was the intended level a character can take "Arclord of Nex" 8th, or was there a mistype at some point?


Fredrik wrote:

You talk a lot. I don't. If I'm brief, it's because I have a degree in math. We're trained that way.

Not necessarily. I've also got a maths degree, and have no problems rambling at length on occasion. I don't recall that, at University, mathematicians were noticeably less talkative then anyone else. Perhaps it depends on where you were trained.


So, I think I'm going to have to come out and say it. Without a doubt, the Shieldmarshal is my absolute favorite Prestige Class in this book. I 100% adore it for doing something new with two systems, both firearms and judgments. Its very encouraging to see.

Shadow Lodge

Vic Wertz wrote:
Our product PDFs always mirror the latest printed edition of the product; if we didn't do that, we'd spend all of our days constantly updating all of our PDFs, and not producing anything new.

The thing is, if you have a bit of errata like this that's ready to incorporate, and it's for a book like this, that will almost certainly never see a reprint, it would be nice if you did actually update the PDF with the errata.

Sorry to necro this, but I don't really understand holding off until a new printing on a product that is extremely unlikely to ever actually receive a new printing.


Kthulhu wrote:
Sorry to necro this, but I don't really understand holding off until a new printing on a product that is extremely unlikely to ever actually receive a new printing.

This can be said about every book in every product line, though, except for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Line. None of the books in the Adventure Path, Pathfinder Modules, Player Companion, or Campaign Setting lines are likely to ever see a reprint and inserting errata of any significant size is something that, as I understand it, messes with a book's layout. That means time spent juggling the text and layout of a book that's already been published instead of focusing energy on getting new product ready for print. There's a lot of books in the aforementioned product lines and they just keep on coming.

This might not be an issue if Paizo was a larger company with more personnel but as it is, I reckon Paizo is in a position where their focus with the manpower available to them is, and has to be, on getting the next shiny products out to us fans.

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