Pathfinder Online: Thornkeep (PFRPG) Autographed Print Edition

Announced for January! The product image is a mockup; though it uses the finished cover art, details will likely change prior to publication.

Note: This product is not part of any Paizo subscription.

People who backed the Pathfinder Online Technology Demo at the $15 level or higher will get the PDF of this product in late October, and backers who pledged at least $50 will be shipped the print edition in January.

PDF editions will be available for sale to the general public upon retail release in January.

So the $24.99 price is for the PDF in January?

ShaneG.

Huh. I thought this would only be available to PFO Kickstarters. Any word on when the Kickstarters will be contacted for reward redemption by the way?

Thought that the latest update indicated that the the fulfillment tool would ready in the next week or so.

Is this print of pdf?

Pagecount? I don't have a good grasp of how big this thing is.

Huh. I thought this would only be available to PFO Kickstarters.

Yes, I thought that was the case, as well. At least I had the impression it would be at first. However, I guess that has changed.

Pagecount? I don't have a good grasp of how big this thing is.

IIRC, it's 96 pages. Might be bigger, I can't find it on the kickstarter page.

I also recall it being available to non-patrons, but patrons are/were supposed to get goodies (frex at the $100 level (my level) it's signed, get a T-shirt and the flip mats.)

The print edition, listed here, is $24.99. The PDF edition, not yet listed, will be $17.99.

It is 96 pages; I'll make sure that's added to the listing in a moment.

Oh, ok. So the Techo Demo contributors do get the flip-mats. I saw the product page for the flip-mats as well, and couldn’t remember if they were a stretch goal/additional reward.

We were suspose to get the print editions in October but I guess that has changed as well. I have yet to see a gaming related kickstarter deliver exactly what they say and on time. I thought Paizo would be the first to change that. I guess 3 months late is not too bad. I guess those extra levels slowed things down. The kickstarter supporters still get a good deal. Just a little later than expected.

Oh, ok. So the Techo Demo contributors do get the flip-mats. I saw the product page for the flip-mats as well, and couldn’t remember if they were a stretch goal/additional reward.

The Flip-Mats are also available for preorder here. Yes, they were a stretch goal.

Oh, ok. So the Techo Demo contributors do get the flip-mats. I saw the product page for the flip-mats as well, and couldn’t remember if they were a stretch goal/additional reward.

The print flip-mats were added in to several of the award tiers, but not included in all of them. According to the Kickstarter page:

The $15 tier gets you a PDF of the Thornkeep book.
The $30 tier gets you a PDF of the Thornkeep flip-mats.
The $50 tier gets you a hardcopy of the Thornkeep book.
The $100 tier gets you hardcopies of the Thornkeep flip-mats.

Reference for Thornkeep book info.
Reference for flip-mats

We were suspose to get the print editions in October but I guess that has changed as well. I have yet to see a gaming related kickstarter deliver exactly what they say and on time. I thought Paizo would be the first to change that. I guess 3 months late is not too bad. I guess those extra levels slowed things down. The kickstarter supporters still get a good deal. Just a little later than expected.

We're working on getting it to you as quickly as possible. :-)

PathfinderFan64 wrote:

We were suspose to get the print editions in October but I guess that has changed as well. I have yet to see a gaming related kickstarter deliver exactly what they say and on time. I thought Paizo would be the first to change that. I guess 3 months late is not too bad. I guess those extra levels slowed things down. The kickstarter supporters still get a good deal. Just a little later than expected.

We're working on getting it to you as quickly as possible. :-)

That's ok. There were so many things added to the kickstarter it just slowed things down. 3 months is not a problem. Getting the pdf early is nice though.

Jessica Price wrote:

PathfinderFan64 wrote:

We were suspose to get the print editions in October but I guess that has changed as well. I have yet to see a gaming related kickstarter deliver exactly what they say and on time. I thought Paizo would be the first to change that. I guess 3 months late is not too bad. I guess those extra levels slowed things down. The kickstarter supporters still get a good deal. Just a little later than expected.

We're working on getting it to you as quickly as possible. :-)

That's ok. There were so many things added to the kickstarter it just slowed things down. 3 months is not a problem. Getting the pdf early is nice though.

At least they didn't offer dice as part of the kickstarter *ducks*

I was very upset when I realized I had missed being able to help with the Kickstart, and losing the chance to get Thornkeep as I have been collecting Paizo books since the start. I was afraid that I'd have a hole in my collection, so it is great to see we can buy this book now.

Now just to eventually get a new powerful computer so I can run the MMoRPG lol.

At least they didn't offer dice as part of the kickstarter *ducks*

:P

Given the insane amount of swag that got thrown onto the RA Kickstarter, I would have been amazed if there hadn't been some sort of hiccup. And it's still got to be one of the quickest turnaround times for an RPG Kickstarter.

Hmmn, got an email saying to check my downloads page, which says it's been added but is not available for download. (pdf/kickstarter booster)

Just checked mine and it says it will be available in the near future.

In the near future, backers who pledged at least $15 will be given access to the Thornkeep PDF, and backers who pledged at least $30 will also be given access to PDFs of the Thornkeep Dungeons Flip-Mats. The rest of the rewards, including the printed products, are on track to ship in January.

Is this stuff the reason for all the maintenance lately? Looking forward to getting it, but it's still caused a whole lot of fuss if that's the case :s

I think it's a mix of this, GameSpace, and a general major upgrade of the site's code to better handle the current demands on the site (such as usage on portable devices). Major upgrades usually means bugs that need to be sorted out.

Am assuming the email telling me the order has been processed and the pdf awaits in my downloads section is premature...as I do not see anything new in my downloads section...

It shows in my downloads but says it is not yet available.

I am excited! I hope it becomes available soon. :)

Is it possible to decide on upgrading to print edition after we've looked through the PDF?
When I put it the code, it gave me the option to upgrade, not sure how long that option will last.

Can't wait to hear what people think of the dungeon levels!

Any ETA on when the link will go hot to access this in our downloads?

It's my understanding that the PDFs will be unlocked as soon as the printing proofs have been approved by Paizo. So it really depends on the printer Paizo uses.

Any news on the bookplates from the Kickstarter? Is not listed on my product purchases.

I have to say that although being able to buy this book is nice, I am very Disappointed! I thought the point of the kickstart was to get something that would not have been available elsewhere. Had we been told that I could simply purchase this book in January I would not have wasted 50 bucks on the kickstart. No offense but I have ZERO interest in ANY mmo and only wanted the book. I have to say I for one feel cheated!

They said from the beginning that extra copies would be made available to non-backers. I know I was fully aware of that fact when I pledged. I also am fully aware of all the other great stuff that came with my pledge in addition to the book.

I never saw that info anywhere. I asked that question on the goblinworks page and got no answer. It's possible I missed it but it sure was not well publicized.

Mine, all mine ...

I can appreciate that feeling, but it's not economically viable for Paizo to build a print run of a 96-page book of only 1600 copies and sell them at a price point most of us would feel to be reasonable.

You might want to take a look at Wolfgang Baur's Open Design projects. Patrons get the materials as an exclusive for some time before they're open to the public.

I actually am a big fan of Mr. Baur's projects and usually have to wait until they are open to the public for budget reasons. I also understand what you are saying with print costs ect.. however I paid for what was basically advertised as an exclusive,and I really had to wrangle my budget to keep my collection complete only to find out I didn't have to. It should have been very clear that this book would be available to everyone down the road and it wasn't. All the other perks are fairly meaningless to me as I have stated I have no interest in the MMO, what's done is done but in the future I will avoid any kickstart programs until I know what the whole story is. I am not trying to be difficult but I really do feel like I was misled, and the folks at both Paizo and Goblinworks need to know that.

I pledged to get a signed copy, and to support goblinworks. Your pledge at the very least made the book better by adding more levels to the book. Also, there's no guarantee that you can get a copy of the book after the fact. at least, not a physical copy. And if the kickstarter wasn't funded there'd be no book (or flipmats) at all.

The thing is, though, thanks in large to the pledges we made and the level of our pledges, the book became much more than it was originally supposed to be, as I understand it. Originally it was going to be a book a la the Pathfinder Campaign Setting line but thanks to us Kickstarters, it grew in size and content, giving us more Golarion-specific content in the form of more dungeon levels written by some of the best in the business.

Excellent! Finally! =D

I don't see any notification on my download page.

I do, however, see the printed copy in my sidecart.

Is there anyone who will be getting the printed copy who can see a mention of the PDF on their "My Downloads" page?

I don't see any notification on my download page.

I do, however, see the printed copy in my sidecart.

Is there anyone who will be getting the printed copy who can see a mention of the PDF on their "My Downloads" page?

The PDF will be showing up as available for download within 10 days as indicated in the Goblinworks blog. An email will be sent to you automatically to let you know it is available for download.

JohnF wrote:

I don't see any notification on my download page.

I do, however, see the printed copy in my sidecart.

Is there anyone who will be getting the printed copy who can see a mention of the PDF on their "My Downloads" page?

The PDF will be showing up as available for download within 10 days as indicated in the Goblinworks blog. An email will be sent to you automatically to let you know it is available for download.

It's not the fact that the PDF isn't yet available that confuses me; it's the fact that I don't see any text on the "My Downloads" page saying that the PDFs have been added to the account, but are not yet available. My wife (who also signed up, but at a lower pledge level) does have that text on her page.

I've received the initial Goblinworks email. That instructed me to go to a page to register an account (my kickstarter pledge used a different email address from the one associated with my Paizo account), but as I was already logged in to my Paizo account everything appeared to link up automatically. I entered the claim code from the email in the "My Pledge Drives" box, and this appeared to generate Paizo order #2287083.

John, I gave your account a nudge: You should see the correct information on your account now.

John, I gave your account a nudge: You should see the correct information on your account now.

Thanks, Ross - everything looks fine!

I seem to have a knack for exercising edge conditions. I suspect that clicking on the link in the notification email (sent to an address that wasn't the one used for my Paizo account) from a tab in a browser session that was already logged in to my Paizo account might have been responsible. The fact that I'm a subscriber to the flip-mat line (and so will qualify from that as well) adds another complication, too.

But, as we have learned to expect, Paizo customer service sorted it all out. Thanks again!

I actually am a big fan of Mr. Baur's projects and usually have to wait until they are open to the public for budget reasons. I also understand what you are saying with print costs ect.. however I paid for what was basically advertised as an exclusive,and I really had to wrangle my budget to keep my collection complete only to find out I didn't have to. It should have been very clear that this book would be available to everyone down the road and it wasn't. All the other perks are fairly meaningless to me as I have stated I have no interest in the MMO, what's done is done but in the future I will avoid any kickstart programs until I know what the whole story is. I am not trying to be difficult but I really do feel like I was misled, and the folks at both Paizo and Goblinworks need to know that.

Overall, I think you make a fair point. However, I don't think the bolder is quite true. As I understood things, the kickstarter was the only way to guarantee a copy. They did say there'd be some left over for sale via paizo.com I got the impression it wasn't going to be a huge print run, though.

I definitely knew what the deal was, but I'm not sure where I read it. Probably on the paizo message boards.

I do not recall getting an email like the one JohnF describes, with a link to register using a claim code . . .

I suspect you only get that if the email address for the kickstarter is not the one you have associated with your Paizo account

Wasn't there supposed to be a goblin icon or something added to the "...Subscriber" titles of PF Online Kickstarter supporters as well? Maybe that was just raised as a possibility. It's been months, and I could easily be misremembering.

The goblin icon only shows up on the PathfinderOnline subforums, not across the whole of the Paizo site.

Is there a possible problem when my Paizo account email address differs from my Kickstarter account email address?

Is there a possible problem when my Paizo account email address differs from my Kickstarter account email address?

It is my understqnding that what you mention is one of the resons for sending you a code to your Kickstarter email. You use this code to "attach" your Kickstarter rewards to your paizo account.

I have the text in my download section saying I have this item, but I never got an email with my code on it. I've looked through all of my emails from paizo, kickstarter, and the gobliinworks guys. BTW, I use the same email for paizo.com as I do for kickstarter.com.

I have the text in my download section saying I have this item, but I never got an email with my code on it. I've looked through all of my emails from paizo, kickstarter, and the gobliinworks guys. BTW, I use the same email for paizo.com as I do for kickstarter.com.

I'm fairly certain the code is only relevant for those of us who don't use the same email addy on both sites.

Re: Exclusive.

Well lets see, my $100 pledge got me...

an *exclusive* signed copy.

PDFs of the book and flip mats.

An *exclusive* T-shirt (that it's too small is another rant)

And a unique tag if I ever go into the goblinworks area.

Even buying the dead tree copy (unsigned) flipmats and (too small) T-shirt, I'd peg that at roughly $75. So I consider my $100 for that + signatures and the tag (and argueably the PDFs) well spent.

Heck it means that I contributed $25 to a game I won't play. That's less than I spent on sending toys to a child I met once.