Heck, the "Actions in Combat" table! Why oh why is it not on the GM screen?

Print Page and Scotch tape are your friends.

Gorbacz wrote:

Heck, the "Actions in Combat" table! Why oh why is it not on the GM screen?

Print Page and Scotch tape are your friends.

In post-soviet Poland, tape Scotches you!

After sharing a glass of Scotch with Kirth, I don't find that such a horrible idea.

After sharing a glass of Scotch with Kirth, I don't find that such a horrible idea.

Actually, that would depend on the Scotch...

Scotch Egg!!

PS: HeroLab is not a Paizo product, and I think calling it Paizo's "official" character creation software is a bit of a misnomer. I think it is more likely that they hold a great respect for the product and help to support it because it is more of an "industry-leading standard."

Hero Lab is, in fact, the officially-licensed character management tool for PfRPG, according to this news release.

xidoraven wrote:

PS: HeroLab is not a Paizo product, and I think calling it Paizo's "official" character creation software is a bit of a misnomer. I think it is more likely that they hold a great respect for the product and help to support it because it is more of an "industry-leading standard."

I respectfully disagree. IIRC, SKR said something about working with Lone Wolf to get Hero Lab to where it can do the same as his (in)famous spreadsheet for generating statblocks. (Oh, here it is.) That's pretty darn official.

At this point in time, Hero Lab is the only officially licensed tool for Pathfinder character creation. Whether that makes Hero Lab *the* official tool is probably a question of semantics that Paizo would need to weigh in on.

As Sean was quoted as saying in the link above, Paizo and Lone Wolf have been working together in an ever-closer fashion. Based on conversations we had this past weekend at PaizoCon, this process is expected to continue. If all goes as everyone hopes, you'll see a number of official announcements in the months to come in a variety of different areas. But nothing is cast in stone at this point, so stay tuned for updates as things evolve.

Got the PDF and a Hardcopy in the mail, but I have a question.

I'd like to print the PDF in booklet format on 8.5x11 paper. I have a full version of Acrobat, but when I click to print booklet the pages just don't line up right.

For example the cover is page 1 while the back is page 3.

Any ideas?

Got the PDF and a Hardcopy in the mail, but I have a question.

I'd like to print the PDF in booklet format on 8.5x11 paper. I have a full version of Acrobat, but when I click to print booklet the pages just don't line up right.

For example the cover is page 1 while the back is page 3.

Any ideas?

Hm... that sounds like it must have been a page count error when I combined all the parts into a PDF. Let me see if I can replicate it in the office and find a fix. An email will go out letting you know the file has been updated if there's something that can be done. :)

That would be great! If you need any screen shots let me know.

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

Fredrik wrote:

xidoraven wrote:

PS: HeroLab is not a Paizo product, and I think calling it Paizo's "official" character creation software is a bit of a misnomer. I think it is more likely that they hold a great respect for the product and help to support it because it is more of an "industry-leading standard."

I respectfully disagree. IIRC, SKR said something about working with Lone Wolf to get Hero Lab to where it can do the same as his (in)famous spreadsheet for generating statblocks. (Oh, here it is.) That's pretty darn official.

At this point in time, Hero Lab is the only officially licensed tool for Pathfinder character creation. Whether that makes Hero Lab *the* official tool is probably a question of semantics that Paizo would need to weigh in on.

As Sean was quoted as saying in the link above, Paizo and Lone Wolf have been working together in an ever-closer fashion. Based on conversations we had this past weekend at PaizoCon, this process is expected to continue. If all goes as everyone hopes, you'll see a number of official announcements in the months to come in a variety of different areas. But nothing is cast in stone at this point, so stay tuned for updates as things evolve.

Right on - thanks for the clarification (and to the other repliers, too). Sounds like good things in store, regardless. :)

I don't have HeroLab, and have used it only sparingly. With so many options, it must be a programming nightmare - I'm glad someone is up to the challenge of it all. :P ;)
-will

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

At this point in time, Hero Lab is the only officially licensed tool for Pathfinder character creation. Whether that makes Hero Lab *the* official tool is probably a question of semantics that Paizo would need to weigh in on.

Hero Lab is *currently* the only tool with such a license... but it's a non-exclusive license, so I would personally avoid the definitive article.

But...only one space for "spouse"?

:/

Galnörag wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

I count 28 spaces for Feats...more than enough.

GM Kyle wrote:

Galnörag wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

I count 28 spaces for Feats...more than enough.

I'm going to backpeddle a bit here. I just realized I wasn't zoomed in far enough on my PDF to properly see each line.

I think I'm going to pass on this porduct. I can see the use and need for it yet I will never ever consider a character sheet no matter how pretty or dressed up a real product. I know so will disagree and I can respect that except your not going to change my mind.

Love the product, are there plans for this to be an output option for HeroLab?

Cheers,

I think I'm going to pass on this porduct. I can see the use and need for it yet I will never ever consider a character sheet no matter how pretty or dressed up a real product. I know so will disagree and I can respect that except your not going to change my mind.

I disagree. Change your mind. Now. :P

I only got it so I could pick up my Runelords HC at PaizoCon.

memorax wrote:

I think I'm going to pass on this porduct. I can see the use and need for it yet I will never ever consider a character sheet no matter how pretty or dressed up a real product. I know so will disagree and I can respect that except your not going to change my mind.

I disagree. Change your mind. Now. :P

I see it as a real product for a printed version, but would have liked (as other stated above) a folder for chronicle sheets.

I think if the PDF allowed you to fill in the sheet I may have picked it up. Yet I can't see the need at least for me for something I can do on my own with pencil, eraser and a few sheets of looseleaf.

I can actually see this product selling better as a PDF then a hard print. Unless the folder is extremely well done (Which I will most likely see on Monday or Tuesday when it arrives at my house then) the PDF will give the ability to print over and over.

The PDF is nice though from what I am seeing I do like it. :) The lay out is very nice and well done. I liked what I saw.

Deane Beman wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

Galnörag wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

I count 28 spaces for Feats...more than enough.

I'm going to backpeddle a bit here. I just realized I wasn't zoomed in far enough on my PDF to properly see each line.

only 43 lines for spells. That won't last 5 levels with a cleric.

Any chance for a printer-friendly version with the PDF? Without the colored background?

You can always print it in black and white only :)

clean white backgrounds are easier to write on, rather than large swathes of printed image.

GM Kyle wrote:

Deane Beman wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

Galnörag wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

I count 28 spaces for Feats...more than enough.

I'm going to backpeddle a bit here. I just realized I wasn't zoomed in far enough on my PDF to properly see each line.

only 43 lines for spells. That won't last 5 levels with a cleric.

Seriously? Do people copy out the cleric spell-list?

I only note down my memorised spells and my domain spell options. For the rest I have a bookmark in the CRB.

Saw this, thought it was awesome, thought "$10 per character is a lot" thought "Well I can get the pdf and use it bunches of times, but man that trifold with the vitals is just awesome."

So, I looked into getting a trifold binder to recreate the feel of this folio. There are tons of trifold folders out there, but I only found one with fasteners for pages, and one that was a real sturdy binder. The binder has to be bought in bulk at $525 (100 of them [$5.25/binder]) and the folder is 7.72 on amazon (link) + shipping.

The point is, $10 doesn't look so bad anymore. If anyone's google fu is better than mine, let me know.

PS: If Paizo sold the trifold with Reynolds art for use with printouts for a good price I'd be more inclined to buy the pdf and several of those than hardcopies, but I imagine that defeats the purpose.

I think if the PDF allowed you to fill in the sheet I may have picked it up. Yet I can't see the need at least for me for something I can do on my own with pencil, eraser and a few sheets of looseleaf.

You could fill in the sheet with a PDF editor (there are free ones out there); though you will need to do the math yourself.

memorax wrote:

I think if the PDF allowed you to fill in the sheet I may have picked it up. Yet I can't see the need at least for me for something I can do on my own with pencil, eraser and a few sheets of looseleaf.

You could fill in the sheet with a PDF editor (there are free ones out there); though you will need to do the math yourself.

I would imagine that would first require circumventing Paizo's PDF security measures.

Deane Beman wrote:

memorax wrote:

I think if the PDF allowed you to fill in the sheet I may have picked it up. Yet I can't see the need at least for me for something I can do on my own with pencil, eraser and a few sheets of looseleaf.

You could fill in the sheet with a PDF editor (there are free ones out there); though you will need to do the math yourself.

I would imagine that would first require circumventing Paizo's PDF security measures.

When I was GMing Kingmaker, I had no problems using a free PDF image extractor to pull the maps out without all the secret location icons. I don't think it would be much different.

Also, don't know if it was legal to do that, but it sure was handy. If not, sorry guys.

I am constantly highlighting and making notes in my PDF's with a typewriter comment tool through Foxit Reader. I can use a draw tool in the comment menu as well to draw arrows to point out different things on maps and such that I print out for my players.

What it all boils down to is that you can use the typewriter comment tool to add text to this and or numbers but it would not be the easiest thing to do though. Not to mention you would have to make your own calculations and make sure all is correct. Once saved it is permanent.

Either way. Good luck.

Love the product, are there plans for this to be an output option for HeroLab?

Cheers,

I asked this last week on their forum and they said no but if I wanted it I would have to make it myself.

If you go to the Hero Labs forums on Lone Wolf. You will find that there are a lot of people that do custom character sheet output from Hero Labs all the time. As Lonewolf-Rob hinted at.. you might be able to get one of them to make this for the community. In fact I am pretty sure that some have even hinted at working on something like this already.

Either way it would not hurt to ask either. :)

Deane Beman wrote:

memorax wrote:

I think if the PDF allowed you to fill in the sheet I may have picked it up. Yet I can't see the need at least for me for something I can do on my own with pencil, eraser and a few sheets of looseleaf.

You could fill in the sheet with a PDF editor (there are free ones out there); though you will need to do the math yourself.

I would imagine that would first require circumventing Paizo's PDF security measures.

What you're doing is no different than inserting a sheet into a typewriter; I don't think the security measures come into play at all.

First page you have boxes for 4 different classes.
"Offense" page you only have 3 boxes for Class BAB bonuses.
edit
"Defense" page you only have 3 columns for Saving Throw Class Bonuses as well.

I am going to have to agree with others in saying that the PDF of this product is particularly discouraging, as it is not at all designed with printing in mind. The heavy use of color backgrounds ruins perfectly good white space for keeping notes as well as sucks up more color ink (or black ink if you print in gray scale) than it should.

I haven't seen anyone say anything along the lines of, "Well, its a PDF not a printable sheet," because if you're going to make a PDF of a character sheet, it damn well be printer friendly, and this product's isn't.

...would have liked (as other stated above) a folder for chronicle sheets.

The inside front and back covers each have pockets for just that sort of thing.

I have seen some of the negative comments on the PDF. So I printed one out, and it didn't seem to eat up too much ink. The only page that used a lot of ink was the equipment page, with the black silhouette depicting the locations of the various pieces of magical gear. Another note, I have refillable ink cartridges, pretty much a must for printable terrain, so I really don't care about ink consumption. I like the look of the printed out PDF, I have not received the original yet, looking forward to comparing the two.

Your mileage may vary.

Chernobyl wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

Deane Beman wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

Galnörag wrote:

GM Kyle wrote:

It does not have enough space in the Feats section IMO.

Are you being facicious? Short of an 8x11 sheet of lined paper dedicated to feats, you can't have anything much bigger?

The page for feats shares it with traits and languages, leaving only 12 spaces for feats when they could at least have gave 20-21 spaces for consideration of higher level play.

I count 28 spaces for Feats...more than enough.

I'm going to backpeddle a bit here. I just realized I wasn't zoomed in far enough on my PDF to properly see each line.

only 43 lines for spells. That won't last 5 levels with a cleric.

Seriously? Do people copy out the cleric spell-list?

I only note down my memorised spells and my domain spell options. For the rest I have a bookmark in the CRB.

I list "favourite" spells.

In the PDF version you can just add another page, less easy in the folio.

Galnörag wrote:

...would have liked (as other stated above) a folder for chronicle sheets.

The inside front and back covers each have pockets for just that sort of thing.

*whistles innocently in the corner as blush creeps up over ears*

I have to say this product surprised me. Historically I always made character sheets myself using Publisher and then binding them in one of those clear cover things with a plastic slide to hold it all together. Lately I have been using Hero Lab and a netbook for gaming.

But I have to say that this thing is pretty sweet. I can see picking a one up for each adventure path our group runs. I will still use Hero Lab, but having a hard copy is better at times plus it allows storage of maps, cards, etc that are given as handouts.

Very nice product and the pockets and cover info will be useful.

Mistake in the Index!

I just purchased the pdf and printed it out trying to figure out which pages have to be printed out next to each other if I print on A3 to make a book and then I saw it.

On the Index, it says Defense page 2, but on the Defense page, it is marked as page 3.
And it carries on, offense p. 3 is really p. 4, etc.
Or did I miss something really blindingly obvious?

My print copy finally arrived today (the postman was apparently doing a slow waltz across the country to get here); haven't actually looked at the .pdf yet even though I've had it a couple weeks.

I will say the marketing description undercuts/does not do justice to what I think is the coolest thing about this folio, now that I've got it in my hands:

It's basically the player equivalent to a GM screen. It's got really nifty rules references in the front and back that make it really useful over other "character folios" I've seen. Yeah, obviously it's still 90% a really detailed character sheet but the rules reference makes it way more likely I will not only use this but encourage others to as well (I admit to only buying this largely because I didn't feel like suspending my subscription between the ARG and UE, but I will also admit I am glad I did get it).

Layout is nice--I admit at first I did not get why the summary page was where it was and then I realized as you flipped through the booklet you always kept the summary page out, which is a great idea. Lots of room to write stuff, and it looks sturdy enough that it will take some vigorous erasing and re-writing.

A fairly complaint is I do not like the Valeros "Paper Doll" in the inventory section for several reasons. It's big and black and ugly. I imagine it will eat up ink in the .pdf version. And what if I'm playing a woman? Or an orc? Or a pixie? Or highly sentient shoe? No offense to Valeros personally, but I don't wanna look at Valeros's big silhouetted behind and pretend that's my character (assuming I am not actually playing Valeros). Would've been nice to have just a generic "paper doll" figure, or even better, simply more room for descriptive text, as sometimes some magic items can get complex in their description.

(As an aside though, I should totally make an actual Valeros paper doll and make little outfits for him to wear.)

And yeah, it's a shame to hear that the .pdf is not form-fillable is... well, it doesn't make it entirely pointless, but it makes it a LOT less useful or valuable; I'm glad as a subscriber I already have it, because to me personally, a non-form-fillable .pdf character sheet is NOT worth $7.00, no matter how pretty it is or who published it.

I get that security issues make it non-doable, but... never mind. It just is frustrating.

I came to this thread hoping to see some news that the PDF of this was printer friendly and/or had fill-able form fields. I do understand that this issue rests with Adobe and not Paizo, but it's still disappointing.

My hope was that I could have a form style PDF that would allow me to update/track circumstantial modifiers and boons without constantly flipping through Chronicle Sheets. I would turn to Hero Lab, but I honestly have no desire to pay an additional fee every time a book comes out I want to use content from.

I was pretty mad at this character sheet last night. I didn't realize it when I was filling it in, but it doesn't have a space set aside specifically for listing your class features. That was a deal breaker for me. If you want to use this sheet regardless, you can probably get away with shoving them into the Feats section (28 feats is more than any character will ever earn in most cases), but it is not an oversight I am personally willing to overlook myself because this product costs $10.

If I'm paying $10 for a character sheet, there should at least be a small grid or something that specifically says, "Hey, list your class features here!" It could have gone where the achievements column is, which, ironically, is right next to the character progression table. In my opinion, it seems like this sheet wastes too much time on fluffy campaign things that I don't care if my character sheet tracks (I have a notebook for that) and instead does not put enough emphasis on mechanical things that should be tracked.

EDIT: To clarify, I am aware that there is are small boxes that say ,"Offensive Abilities and Class Features" and "Defensive Abilities and Class Features." But what everyone considers to be Offensive and Defensive is different, and I didn't consider any of the Revelations I wanted to fit into those categories, and regardless, having one large cohesive list makes a lot more sense to me. So I skipped over them looking for the "big list" to use. Kind of like how you can put offensive feats into those boxes (a good idea for something like Power Attack) but there is still a huge cohesive list of your feats in book.

I understand that it can be frustrating to have things not make sense for how to organize them. Just hear me out: you can take a feat for an Extra Revelation, so they're roughly equivalent. (The same goes for discoveries, hexes, and rogue talents.) So, you can freely list them in the Feats section, and it isn't just a hack; it actually makes sense.