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New Paths #1: The Expanded Spell-less Ranger (PFRPG) PDF

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Aragorn Didn't Cast Spells!

Just because some designer thought rangers should be spell-slingers doesn't make it right! With The Expanded Spell-Less Ranger, you can now play an authentic ranger without spells, but with great new abilities.

Welcome to the Expanded Spell-Less Ranger, a base class for the Pathfinder RPG that was first presented in Kobold Quarterly #11 and which reviewers called a "must-read" at RPG Geek.

The removal of spells makes this a true ranger-type, but the new powers and expanded abilities mean that the Spell-Less Ranger can hold his own in a fight. With new animal companion options and Ranger Talents, this class covers the hunter's bond, fast movement, expanded tracking, hunting, additional favored enemies, trap handling, and much more, all in keeping with the ranger you know from The Lord of the Rings.

The Expanded Spell-less Ranger includes much new material beyond the original magazine version, such as two new archetypes for the companion-bound ranger and the dual-style ranger, plus new feats specific to this ranger that make them masters of their terrain. Includes a full 20-level character progression plus tracking sheets for favored terrain, enemies, and companions.

Be a real ranger! Get The Expanded Spell-Less Ranger today!

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Andoran

Nice review over at the examiner.com ... you can check it out HERE


Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Seldriss wrote:
Will this book come also in printed format or only in PDF?
Seldriss, this is a PDF-only release. At 15 pages, it just doesn't work in print.

Thank you.

Then on my way to order & download :)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Marc Radle wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
A couple small things I noticed. One is that it references a table for favored enemy and it says it is "below" but since I didn't see a table I'm assuming it actually should have referenced the PFCRB. Also, it might just be me, but in the PDF readers I use on my tablet the last page of the class (the one with the picture and the 20th level ability) is messed up with the picture showing up clear on top and everything else kind of grey out and difficult to read.

The Favored Enemies and Favored Terrains are both listed on page 7. However, since that seems to also be the page you indicate is giving you a display problem, I suspect you might not be able to see the list.

What table (and what PDF reader) are you using? It sounds like it might be an issue with the PDF reader? Maybe download the PDF again?

That did it. I think my file was corrupted when extracted. It's all working well now.

Andoran

Andrew Betts wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Andrew Betts wrote:
A couple small things I noticed. One is that it references a table for favored enemy and it says it is "below" but since I didn't see a table I'm assuming it actually should have referenced the PFCRB. Also, it might just be me, but in the PDF readers I use on my tablet the last page of the class (the one with the picture and the 20th level ability) is messed up with the picture showing up clear on top and everything else kind of grey out and difficult to read.

The Favored Enemies and Favored Terrains are both listed on page 7. However, since that seems to also be the page you indicate is giving you a display problem, I suspect you might not be able to see the list.

What table (and what PDF reader) are you using? It sounds like it might be an issue with the PDF reader? Maybe download the PDF again?

That did it. I think my file was corrupted when extracted. It's all working well now.

Awesome!


Just purchased the PDF and am reading through it slowly. I went through the anxiety of trying to keep up with 3.5's explosion of Wotc and 3PP and found out I couldn't do it. So I am taking care in what 3PP I buy now. I have decided I like Open Design and anything Wolfgang signs his name to. There are a couple of others that I follow, but I like this one just fine.


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silverhair2008 wrote:
Just purchased the PDF and am reading through it slowly. I went through the anxiety of trying to keep up with 3.5's explosion of Wotc and 3PP and found out I couldn't do it. So I am taking care in what 3PP I buy now. I have decided I like Open Design and anything Wolfgang signs his name to. There are a couple of others that I follow, but I like this one just fine.

Welcome to the fold!


My Wednesday game is fixing to take a walk through portions of the Old Margreve. It is entirely possible they will meet some of the Creature-A-Day monsters on their trip through, as they are in Iobaria.

Andoran

silverhair2008 wrote:
Just purchased the PDF and am reading through it slowly. I went through the anxiety of trying to keep up with 3.5's explosion of Wotc and 3PP and found out I couldn't do it. So I am taking care in what 3PP I buy now. I have decided I like Open Design and anything Wolfgang signs his name to. There are a couple of others that I follow, but I like this one just fine.

Excellent! Glad you like it :)

I'm absolutely thrilled and, quite honestly humbled, by the response the Expanded Spell-less Ranger has received :)

Cheliax

silverhair2008 wrote:
Just purchased the PDF and am reading through it slowly. I went through the anxiety of trying to keep up with 3.5's explosion of Wotc and 3PP and found out I couldn't do it. So I am taking care in what 3PP I buy now. I have decided I like Open Design and anything Wolfgang signs his name to. There are a couple of others that I follow, but I like this one just fine.

For some time now, Open Design stuff is accepted at my table automatically. This is the only publisher except Paizo itself to be accepted like that, not only by me, but by my players as well.


Ditto. Upon receiving my second issue of Kobold Quarterly I told my group that anything that comes out of that magazine is fair game. I've bought a handful of other products, too, and none of them have disappointed. Top notch stuff as always.

I want to say, too, that I feel like this version of the Ranger should be the default. It feels much more unique and - what's the word? - gritty doesn't sound right, but it keeps coming to mind. It's just awesome is what it is.

Qadira Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Press; RPG Superstar Judge

Nightflier and Foghammer, thank you for those kinds words! We'll keep pushing to make every release great.

Andoran

Foghammer wrote:
I want to say, too, that I feel like this version of the Ranger should be the default. It feels much more unique and - what's the word? - gritty doesn't sound right, but it keeps coming to mind. It's just awesome is what it is.

You, my friend, have excellent taste! ;) Now, to convince Paizo ...

In all seriousness, thanks so much! Really glad you like it!

Andoran

The Tower of the Lonely GM had some nice things to say about the Expanded Spell-less Ranger (and Tales of Midgard too!)

Andoran

Woo hoo!

Expanded Spell-less Ranger #2 on Paizo's Top Ten Downloads from Other Companies List!

That's awesome :) Thanks so much to everyone who has downloaded this so far!

(It's also currently #24 over on RPGNow's Top 100 :)

Qadira Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Press; RPG Superstar Judge

If there's ever a second-edition Pathfinder RPG (many years from now!), I sincerely hope they do consider a spell-less ranger or similar Woodland Strider sort of class.

Now that I think on it, Strider would have been a much shorter and perhaps better name for it. Hindsight, bah.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Yea, I was wondering why the name wasn't Strider :)


Marc Radle wrote:

Woo hoo!

Expanded Spell-less Ranger #2 on Paizo's Top Ten Downloads from Other Companies List!

That's awesome :) Thanks so much to everyone who has downloaded this so far!

(It's also currently #24 over on RPGNow's Top 100 :)

isnt it #1?


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Well earned on the ranking. I have been playing one for almost a year now, I really enjoy the flavor of the spell less ranger, and REALLY enjoy all of the new goodies in the expanded version.

Andoran

New review by tenletter for your reading pleasure :)


I'm finally getting to play (rather than DMing), and my first reaction was "I want to play that spell-less ranger!" Looking more closely at my options now, I wonder about the archetypes and how they interact. It seems that they stack (at the cost of all but one favored enemy and one favored terrain), and make the ranger even more front-loaded than normal. Was this combination play-tested and did it seem to upset the balance of the game at all at those levels? Getting a full progression animal companion a level early and an additional feat at 2nd level for virtually no immediate cost sound like a no-brainer trade at 3rd level.

I understand that at higher levels you're giving up a vast amount of versatility, blah blah blah...[/ramble] Just curious.

I just noticed that you can't take the additional companion feat with the companion bound archetype. That's only a bit disappointing, but I can totally understand why it's that way; my inner munchkin, however small, was just squished a bit more. ;)

Grand Lodge

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Wolfgang Baur wrote:

If there's ever a second-edition Pathfinder RPG (many years from now!), I sincerely hope they do consider a spell-less ranger or similar Woodland Strider sort of class.

Now that I think on it, Strider would have been a much shorter and perhaps better name for it. Hindsight, bah.

Putting this in my Herolab to do file... totally naming it Strider...


More than worth the download price. Aside from Paizo itself I find the best material in Open Design products. Excellent work Mr. Raddle!

Andoran

R_Chance wrote:
More than worth the download price. Aside from Paizo itself I find the best material in Open Design products. Excellent work Mr. Raddle!

Thank you sir!

That really means a lot!!!

Andoran

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Oh fine, I guess I'll pay up. :P

Andoran

Foghammer wrote:

I'm finally getting to play (rather than DMing), and my first reaction was "I want to play that spell-less ranger!" Looking more closely at my options now, I wonder about the archetypes and how they interact. It seems that they stack (at the cost of all but one favored enemy and one favored terrain), and make the ranger even more front-loaded than normal. Was this combination play-tested and did it seem to upset the balance of the game at all at those levels? Getting a full progression animal companion a level early and an additional feat at 2nd level for virtually no immediate cost sound like a no-brainer trade at 3rd level.

I understand that at higher levels you're giving up a vast amount of versatility, blah blah blah...[/ramble] Just curious.

I just noticed that you can't take the additional companion feat with the companion bound archetype. That's only a bit disappointing, but I can totally understand why it's that way; my inner munchkin, however small, was just squished a bit more. ;)

If you do play one, I'd love to hear some reports!

The two archetypes do indeed stack (since neither replaces the same class feature/ability). I know some DMs frown on letting players use more than one archetype, but as long as your DM is OK with it, the Dual-Style and the Companion-Bound archetypes would indeed make a cool, although very specialized spell-less ranger (or core ranger, since both archetypes work with the core ranger as well)

A spell-less ranger (or core ranger) using both of these archetypes was still very balanced in playtesting. Such a character could become VERY useful (and quite powerful) in a campaign that takes place completely in only one terrain type with only one primary enemy, such as in the City of the Spider Queen campaign hinted at
HERE :) so a DM should of course keep that in mind.

Sorry to squish your inner munchkin :) A Companion Bound ranger is all about spending long hours learning about and training with a single animal compainion so that the ranger and animal companion learn to work amazingly well together ... additional companions just don't fit into that mindset.

Really glad you are digging the spell-less ranger!!!


Marc Radle wrote:

A spell-less ranger (or core ranger) using both of these archetypes was still very balanced in playtesting. Such a character could become VERY useful (and quite powerful) in a campaign that takes place completely in only one terrain type with only one primary enemy, such as in the City of the Spider Queen campaign hinted at

HERE :) so a DM should of course keep that in mind.

What about Kingmaker...? :D

Andoran

Expanded Spell-less Ranger reviewd over at Game Knight Reviews

Andoran

Foghammer wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:

A spell-less ranger (or core ranger) using both of these archetypes was still very balanced in playtesting. Such a character could become VERY useful (and quite powerful) in a campaign that takes place completely in only one terrain type with only one primary enemy, such as in the City of the Spider Queen campaign hinted at

HERE :) so a DM should of course keep that in mind.
What about Kingmaker...? :D

Sure! A spell-less ranger using both archetypes would be great in Kingmaker!!! :)

(sorry, I missed this from the other day :)

Qadira Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Press; RPG Superstar Judge

Hey Marc, what do you think about renaming this class the Strider?

Andoran

Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Hey Marc, what do you think about renaming this class the Strider?

Um ....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, I really like that the name says in no uncertain terms what the class is. It's the spell-less ranger. Strider sounds cool enough, but it doesn't really say anything.

Kind of like an anti-paladin is the evil twin to the paladin.

For me, this class will always be the spell-less ranger and, personally, I would hate to see it get a new name.

Having said that, you are the Great Kobold-in-Chief and I but your humble servant ... I'll defer to whatever you decide.

(did I mention how much I'd hate to see the name changed? :)


I'd just call it the Ranger, and call the other one Ranger With Spells.

Qadira Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Press; RPG Superstar Judge

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Marc, I'm not sure how you feel about it. ;)


Why in the world would you want to change the name of this class? The name is perfect, it's a straight forward, no confusion name. Calling the Spell-Less Ranger anything else would be deferring to the idea that the class is not in fact a Ranger, but something else, something similar to a Ranger, but at the end of the day, not. Given that we finally have a Ranger that is more than a Merlin in Green Tights, why, pray tell why would you consider changing the name of the class?

A friend of mine took this class for a test drive during our bi-weekly game the other night, making a dwarven spell-less ranger with his favored terrain options putting him at underground and urban....instantly fell in love with the immense amount of combat options and versatility. Has never, I repeat never, had any interest in the 20+ years I have known him in playing a Ranger due to the ridiculous addition of spells to them. So to see him not only play, but seriously embrace the class (he called me on his way home to discuss plans for the character, then called after work the next day to go over some more thoughts), that beyond anything was proof to me that I was right in the review I gave this product.

And my opinion regarding the name? I wasn't shopping the class to my playgroup, they had characters. He was updating his current character in my Hero Lab and saw the name in the list for classes. Had it been Strider or something short and boring, I doubt he would have even asked, as I have lots of classes already added to that list with variable names that say nothing of what the class is by name alone.

Qadira

Hmmm... good point on the name not defining the class. I guess as far as self-advertising Spell-less Ranger does indeed work best on an out of character level.

In character I'm calling it the "Strider at Night" at my table. Dark Rangers that eschew the magic of their god in exchange for a focus on martial might and the ability to blend into nature. Less fighter-druid and more fighter-rogue with a nature twist.

I know, I know, multi-word base classes is a no-no, but damn it just sounds good and really fits this class to me.

@KTFish7 - Did I read that right and you've managed to enter this into Hero Lab? Any intention to share? I'd love to save myself some coding on this one.

Qadira Contributor; Publisher, Kobold Press; RPG Superstar Judge

KTFish7, if you have finished the Hero Lab files, please send them my way. I'll make sure that everyone who buys the PDF gets a copy of the data files as well.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

"Strider" only really means something to old school fans who've read Tolkein long before the movies came out. Now to those gamers it has a strong, instantly evocative meaning, but to anyone who started after 2e, it's unclear. For what it's worth, I'm in the "Strider" camp.

That, or we could just call it the Order of Aragorn.


To me Ranger and Strider evoke very similar concepts... it probably helps that I was introduced to D&D fairly young and before I read Tolkien. Ranger, someone who ranges, strider, someone who strides. Both make me think of someone who skilled at traversing and interacting with the land. Now I always thought it was silly that all rangers had magic. I would prefer a spell-less ranger as the base with a spell dabbling ranger as a common option.


Matthew Winn wrote:


Did I read that right and you've managed to enter this into Hero Lab? Any intention to share? I'd love to save myself some coding on this one.
Wolfgang Baur wrote:
KTFish7, if you have finished the Hero Lab files, please send them my way. I'll make sure that everyone who buys the PDF gets a copy of the data files as well.

I am in fact still working out a few issues with some feats, but the files are almost complete, and yes, I will be sending them over as soon as they are.

Hopefully by the end of the weekend at most.

Cheliax

In my game, we are calling it the Wildlander. One player pointed out that there are Urban Rangers as well, so that the Wildlander is not appropriate name for the class, but I replied that there is a term "urban jungle". So, my vote is for Wildlander or something similar. The class should really have one word for the name, or two at most (like White Necro).


I kind of like the Stridor

Andoran

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KTFish7 wrote:

Why in the world would you want to change the name of this class? The name is perfect, it's a straight forward, no confusion name. Calling the Spell-Less Ranger anything else would be deferring to the idea that the class is not in fact a Ranger, but something else, something similar to a Ranger, but at the end of the day, not. Given that we finally have a Ranger that is more than a Merlin in Green Tights, why, pray tell why would you consider changing the name of the class?

A friend of mine took this class for a test drive during our bi-weekly game the other night, making a dwarven spell-less ranger with his favored terrain options putting him at underground and urban....instantly fell in love with the immense amount of combat options and versatility. Has never, I repeat never, had any interest in the 20+ years I have known him in playing a Ranger due to the ridiculous addition of spells to them. So to see him not only play, but seriously embrace the class (he called me on his way home to discuss plans for the character, then called after work the next day to go over some more thoughts), that beyond anything was proof to me that I was right in the review I gave this product.

And my opinion regarding the name? I wasn't shopping the class to my playgroup, they had characters. He was updating his current character in my Hero Lab and saw the name in the list for classes. Had it been Strider or something short and boring, I doubt he would have even asked, as I have lots of classes already added to that list with variable names that say nothing of what the class is by name alone.

Could not have said it better! Strider is not a bad name, but it doesn't really SAY much unless you happen to know Lord of the Rings (and really, maybe not even then).

Spell-less Ranger says exactly what the class is, pure and simple, and it evokes exactly what the class is all about.

If I might pull the discussion away from such nonsense and malarkey for a moment ... ;)

It looks like the Expanded Spell-less Ranger was the second most downloaded non-Paizo PDF for the second week in a row - thanks everyone!!!!!!

Contributor

We've just opened a poll on the naming. Check your Kobold Courier for links. If you are not signed up to receive the Courier, what's wrong with you? :) It's free, and you can do so from the Kobold Quarterly site.


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I agree that strider might not be the best name, but spell-less ranger is more a description rather than a name. The magus isn't called the 'fighter that uses spells'. Although at the same time, it is Marc's baby so I'd feel weird voting against the name. This is tough.

Qadira

Cheapy wrote:
I agree that strider might not be the best name, but spell-less ranger is more a description rather than a name. The magus isn't called the 'fighter that uses spells'. Although at the same time, it is Marc's baby so I'd feel weird voting against the name. This is tough.

Yeah... I feel kinda bad... I'm not trying to be mean...

But I think those arguing against Strider are under a misconception, and that is that it's intrinsically tied to Lord of the Rings, and that anyone who hasn't read the books won't make the connection to the name.

But as a previous post pointed out, how is "one who strides" any different than "one who ranges"? In english definition it would seem to me that Strider and Ranger are fairly interchangeable.

Or in other words, a Strider is almost a Ranger, but slightly different. In fact, if you want a one word base class name that is flavor instead of description, I really do think this is the best alternate option, even without and completely ignoring any Tolkien parallels.

Ok, I'm done derailing this thread and making Marc feel bad. I've given far more than my 2 cents.

Marc, you did an awesome thing that we're very excited about and eager to discuss.

Thank you!!!!


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I think it is fine as is. I wouldn't have looked twice at a class called "Strider" and I am very familiar with LOTR, but "spell-less" got my attention as soon as I first heard about it and lucky for me it came out exactly at the time I was waffling in playing a ranger vs a fighter.

Also, this is just speculation but it might be easier to for a GM to simply say "yeah you can play that" vs "I don't know, let me think about it" simply because it 'sounds more core.'


Design question: The spell-less ranger gains an animal companion through Hunter's Bond at full levels, not level -3. Okay. But why no corresponding boost to the alternate Hunter's Bond option companion boost?

Andoran

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Matthew Winn wrote:

Marc, you did an awesome thing that we're very excited about and eager to discuss.

Thank you!!!!

Thank you sir! :)

Andoran

IronDesk wrote:
Design question: The spell-less ranger gains an animal companion through Hunter's Bond at full levels, not level -3. Okay. But why no corresponding boost to the alternate Hunter's Bond option companion boost?

Interesting question!

The spell-less ranger does indeed get his animal companion (if he chooses an animal companion via his Hunter's Bond class feature) at his full level.

This was done only because druids getting a more powerful animal companion than rangers in the core rules has rubbed me the wrong way for a long time and I saw the spell-less ranger as my chance to 'right that wrong' so to speak.

I don't think there is any corresponding need to right any similar wrong in the other Hunter's Bond option, so there was no need for a corresponding boost.


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So, what's next? :)

Spell-less paladin?

An update to Ryan Costello Jr's spell-less druid shifter?

offers the kobolds shiny things

Shadow Lodge

Wolfgang Baur wrote:
KTFish7, if you have finished the Hero Lab files, please send them my way. I'll make sure that everyone who buys the PDF gets a copy of the data files as well.

My son is 12 and I bought this PDF to be his first P&P character (he wanted ranger and I did not want him to have to deal with spells and combat as he is learning to play).

I have spent days in Hero lab trying to get a specific ranger trick to work. If that Hero Lab file is finished, I would be eternally grateful to see it as well.

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