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The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Feats (PFRPG) PDF

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This product is a bad idea. It contains a wide array of feats that are, as the title suggests, horrifically overpowered. The only way these feats can be considered “balanced” is that they can make any character horrifically overpowered, so allowing them all into a campaign gives all the players (and monsters, and NPCs, and even minions) a chance to be ridiculously super-powered. And as long as everyone is super, it’s all balanced out, right?

No, we know. Just... run with it a second, okay?

We’re not suggesting any GM should allow these feats into a campaign. In fact, we advise against it. Seriously, the whole product is called “Horrifically Overpowered Feats,” which seemed like a dead giveaway that we’re not encouraging anyone to use these rules. The product is even being released on April 1st, 2012. April 1st. Get it?

Of course a GM can add these to a campaign. It’s a bad idea, but the feats are all mechanically sound (in that they follow the normal format of feats and work with the normal rules of the game), and their effect on a character’s abilities is clearly spelled out. It’s just that these feats have a significantly greater impact on a character’s overall effectiveness than any feat in the game’s official rules. Heck, they have a significantly greater impact than any feat Super Genius Games has ever published. They do much more than a feat is supposed to do. They do so much, in fact, that there’s no way to grant the benefits these feats represent without making whatever character receives them much, much more powerful than characters are supposed to be.

In many ways, these feats are classic bad examples, doing exactly the sorts of things feats shouldn’t. If you ever design a feat you expect to work in a normal campaign and it looks a lot like one of these feats, that’s a clear sign you’ve done something wrong.

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Marathon Voter 2013

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kevin_video wrote:
Just picked this up, and I have to admit with others who've said it. This isn't an overpowered book. It's really not. Especially not "horrifically" overpowered. Granted there are a couple that might be considered broken in some people's minds, but really most of these are perfectly legit for a regular game. I'm going to be using it.

That would be raising all sorts of red flags for me if I thought that =/

Grand Lodge

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Cheapy wrote:
kevin_video wrote:
Just picked this up, and I have to admit with others who've said it. This isn't an overpowered book. It's really not. Especially not "horrifically" overpowered. Granted there are a couple that might be considered broken in some people's minds, but really most of these are perfectly legit for a regular game. I'm going to be using it.
That would be raising all sorts of red flags for me if I thought that =/

No, really. Just look at a few of the feats.

spoiler:
The Meta-attack feats for instance are not overpowered. If anything they might make a melee fighter actually hold up alongside a wizard.
The Eschew feats are not overpowered as they require prereq feats that you'd probably not normally take unless you were a sorcerer, or liked Silent Spell.
The Favored feat just gives you trinkets for bonuses. Ooh, I can have +1 hp AND +1 CMB against bull rushes because I'm a dwarven fighter? You spoil me.
Go First is the equivalent to one of the Warlock abilities, and requires a feat.
Healing Factor gives you fast healing, big whoop. Just about everything in 3.5 gave you fast healing. Having to take a feat for it isn't all that big.
Hex Maven makes you the equivalent to a 3.5 Hexblade. Gee, thanks.
Heroic Grace gives you the exact same class ability as any of the godlings, or a Paladin, but you have to take a feat for it.
Master of Magic Items is a no brainer. All it does is save you from having to roll the skill check to make sure it doesn't blow up in your face.
Skill Domination is just 3.5 Able Learner, but you don't need to be a Changeling, Human, or Doppleganger to take it.
Unflappable is just an unlimited Uncanny Dodge.

So really, if you honestly look at each feat individually, they're not bad at all. Just a few here and there that you could put limitations on if you wanted to bring them into your game.

I belong in a game where Metamagic feats are given to spell casters for free. ALL of them. Why? Because you're sacrificing a feat in order for you to memorize a spell 1-5 levels higher. That's not worth it. As well, the DM made all of the crafting feats into Craft Magic Item. Again, you're wasting feats to specialize in something that's fairly unnecessary to blow it on. The only change is that if you still want to take the Metamagic feats, then 3/day you can use it without using a higher level spell slot. It makes sense to me. He also brought back Keen/Improved Critical mechanics as he read an interview that showed why it was done like that in 3.0 and why it still works in current games. It's all a matter of perspective and having an open mind.

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I'm really glad so many people are finding use in these, and that's a big reason why I wrote them. I'll stand by my assessment that these are overpowered, in that there are things that an optimizer can do with them that would break many campaigns. Many groups would either not allow such special builds, or wouldn't have a problem with them, but as long as they are an option the feats don't pass muster as general use rules good for the majority of games.

BUT -- there are also lots of games where such feats are not only useable, but useful. And for those groups, I'm glad to have provided these options.

Grand Lodge

Showed a buddy of mine these and he had to agree that 95% of these were actually considered "weak" to him. He'll be allowing them in his campaigns as well.


Found this product pretty crazy(awesome) with some things, like the meta-attacks being actually more balanced than I would of originally thought.

Also, Humans with Mental Perfection and Physical Perfection for the win.


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I heard about this product after a review in the Know Direction podcast. They seemed to like the options offered. It sounded fun and interesting to me even if only as a good read. After purchasing the PDF and giving it a read through I agree with the hosts of Know Direction and many on the forums here. It's a great product! Maybe not right for all games and all players but certainly useable and fun!

I plan on using it to spice up my critters! Using it as NPC/Monster feats are great ways to throw complacent players.

Much of Owen's early discussion about this product (and some other board members) appears to have some of the ring of... dare I say it D&DNext! Not all books/products are right for every game. Use the ones that work for your group and the type and style of game you want to play/run.

Thanks for a great book! Look forward to more.

Kizan

P.S. Is there a Hero Lab file for this book?

Grand Lodge

Got a question regarding the feat Prestigious. It says "your effective level is 1/2 HD - 5." So, essentially at 20th level you'd have 5th level abilities? Gestalt seems way more worth it. If for no other reason than it later states that if you take levels of the base class later, it counts as 1.5 your level instead of just half. Prestigious says you can't take levels in a prestige class to use the feat.

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kevin_video wrote:
Got a question regarding the feat Prestigious. It says "your effective level is 1/2 HD - 5." So, essentially at 20th level you'd have 5th level abilities?

It's one-half of (your HD -5). So at 20th level it's 1/2 of (20-5), or 1/2 of (15), or 7.

kevin_video wrote:
Gestalt seems way more worth it. If for no other reason than it later states that if you take levels of the base class later, it counts as 1.5 your level instead of just half. Prestigious says you can't take levels in a prestige class to use the feat.

Gestalt says "character class," not "prestige class." I suppose I should have been more specific and said "base or core class," but the RAI is that gestalt applies only to base and core classes, and Prestigious applies to prestige classes.

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As Magic-User allows it to be taken more than once, for different classes, why not Gestalt?

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Justin Sluder wrote:
As Magic-User allows it to be taken more than once, for different classes, why not Gestalt?

Because no matter how many spells you have access to, economy of action still limits how many you can unleash at once. But many class abilities are passive and powerful, and even if you are Horrifically Overpowered you don't need access to more than 2 sets (your actual class, and those from the feat).

So honestly? Even in a book dedicated to the unbalanced, it was too unblananced.


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We played a 20th level PFRPG one shot this past weekend and our DM used the horrifically overpowered feats to make our adversaries worthy. I believe he succeeded and we all had a lot of fun.

The feat worked real well in that regard, IMO.

The 20th level master of many forms monk with gestalt fighter and gestalt gunslinger (using an advanced revolver) as well as having the denied feat gave us absolute fits.

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The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:

We played a 20th level PFRPG one shot this past weekend and our DM used the horrifically overpowered feats to make our adversaries worthy. I believe he succeeded and we all had a lot of fun.

The feat worked real well in that regard, IMO.

The 20th level master of many forms monk with gestalt fighter and gestalt gunslinger (using an advanced revolver) as well as having the denied feat gave us absolute fits.

Ouch!

But if you took THAT down, I think your DM was right to unleash it on you!

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Not surprisingly, I have more questions.

With Gestalt (monk), do the feat grant the AC bonus of the monk?

Can an archetype be applied to the class features gained through the Gestalt feat?

If you gain the Physical Exemplar archetype from The Genius Guide To: Martial Archetypes by using the Gestalt feat, does the +1 hp/level apply to character level? Or effective class level?

Marathon Voter 2013

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I fear for what Justin will wrought.

What's the future tense of wrought anyways?

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Cheapy wrote:

I fear for what Justin will wrought.

What's the future tense of wrought anyways?

Fear is something players should feel, not GMs. ;)

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Justin Sluder wrote:
Not surprisingly, I have more questions.

We love questions!

Justin Sluder wrote:
With Gestalt (monk), do the feat grant the AC bonus of the monk?

I see what you are asking. I'd say that since the feat says all the class features (proficiencies and abilities listed in the "special" column of the class write-up) of that class other than spellcasting, that the description "all the class features" is what it gives you, and the mention of the special column is just a descriptor of where to find such.

Using that as my baseline, I'd say yes it gives you the AC bonus of the monk, as that is a class feature.

Justin Sluder wrote:
Can an archetype be applied to the class features gained through the Gestalt feat?

If your GM is allowing an archetype (and if the GM is allowing Horrifically Overpowered feats, what are the odds an archetype is going to get banned?), then certainly. You'd pick a class, select an archetype to apply to it, swap out it's class features as dictated by the selected archetype, then use gestalt to gain the new set of class features.

Justin Sluder wrote:
If you gain the Physical Exemplar archetype from The Genius Guide To: Martial Archetypes by using the Gestalt feat, does the +1 hp/level apply to character level? Or effective class level?

It's work just as outline for normal archetypes, above. You'd pick some character class to apply Physical Exemplar to, the use Gesalt to get class features of the new class + Physical Exemplar (which means you'd get +1 hp per effective level of the Gesalted class).

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Thank you sir.

Also, I would like to shake your hand and thank you for all the awesome stuff y'all at SGG put out if you make it to PaizoCon this year.

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Justin Sluder wrote:

Thank you sir.

Also, I would like to shake your hand and thank you for all the awesome stuff y'all at SGG put out if you make it to PaizoCon this year.

Thanks, Justin! Sadly Paizo Con does not look to be in the cards for me this year, but Stan! and Hyrum should be there, and goodness knows their hands deserve shaking too!


There's a PbP on here that just began recruitment. It's a 20th level game and the GM is allowing three HOpF as sort of epic class features.

Skimming through the book(I'll read it all later) I really like some of what I see.

Questions:

For Favored, does the bonuses for Favored Enemy also equal your HD? So with the character for this game, I would have 20 Favored Enemies and gain the bonuses to them as a 20th level Ranger would?

Also,
There's several feats that are described, but are not in the table. Spell Shifting, Supernatural Spell Monster and Unflappable for sure.

Finally,

I see there's a HOpF for the Witch, but none of the other new APG classes. Why the Witch?

And what's the likelihood there will be a sequel so the other base classes get some love, as well as the SGG creations??


Really nice work. Love the flexibility these extra options can provide.

Two questions though about the Augmenter Summoner package - doesn't taking away the summoners spells make it impossible to heal his/her eidolon?

(Note: I realize that other characters can heal the eidolon, I'm only talking about the summoner's abilities to heal it)

It seems like having an eidolon that's at max 1/2 HP until fast healing is available (LV.11) is a huge disadvantage. Was that intentional?

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Monkeygod wrote:
There's a PbP on here that just began recruitment. It's a 20th level game and the GM is allowing three HOpF as sort of epic class features.

Awesome. :D

Monkeygod wrote:
Questions:

Sorry I missed these initially!

Monkeygod wrote:
For Favored, does the bonuses for Favored Enemy also equal your HD? So with the character for this game, I would have 20 Favored Enemies and gain the bonuses to them as a 20th level Ranger would?

Favored gives you the benefit of taking a favored class bonus, like the +1hp and +1 skill point options listed in the core rulebook.

Monkeygod wrote:

Also,

There's several feats that are described, but are not in the table. Spell Shifting, Supernatural Spell Monster and Unflappable for sure.

Those feats were So overpowered...

No, that's just an editing error. I'll see when the schedule will let us fix it.

Monkeygod wrote:
I see there's a HOpF for the Witch, but none of the other new APG classes. Why the Witch?

Most of the HOpF are not class-specific (there's no HOpF for just the monk, for example). The witch happens to have a unique mechanic (hexes) that lent itself well to such a feat so we included it.

Monkeygod wrote:
And what's the likelihood there will be a sequel so the other base classes get some love, as well as the SGG creations??

The likelihood is "high"

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Furt wrote:
Really nice work. Love the flexibility these extra options can provide.

Thanks! I answered your questions here.

Shadow Lodge Star Voter 2013

Might that product be eventually adjusted/revised to be used with Mythic Adventures?

Shadow Lodge Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

THANK you sir for bumping this. I was not aware of the existence of this. And on sale! Bought.

Paizo Employee Contributor; Developer, Super Genius Games

Lord Magus wrote:
Might that product be eventually adjusted/revised to be used with Mythic Adventures?

Certainly a sidebar is possible. I'm not sure about anything greater than that as a revision ... but I haven't ruled it out, either.

Paizo Employee Contributor; Developer, Super Genius Games

Orthos wrote:
THANK you sir for bumping this. I was not aware of the existence of this. And on sale! Bought.

In fact right now EVERYTHING of ours is on sale. And if you give us your thoughts about what you'd like to see from us in this thread, you can also ask for any one pdf we put out prior to this month for free. :)

Also, enjoy!


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this is beginning to look less overpowered & more Mythic. :P

Shadow Lodge Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

My first review up and posted =)

Paizo Employee Contributor; Developer, Super Genius Games

Many thanks for the review!

Shadow Lodge Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

Eight months later and I finally get to use these things for the first time.

Stuck a few Meta-Attack feats on some level-9 Half-Dragon Fighters for my PCs to fight while invading a dragon's lair. The PCs seemed pretty surprised at the abilities these guys could dish out, and it was one of the toughest fights they had to date. But the PCs won out in the end, despite some close calls, and killed one, captured a second, and forced the third to flee. (She might become a recurring enemy, dunno yet. They killed their dragon father in the next session.)

Was an interesting, difficult, and challenging fight, but for my five level-11/mythic-1 PCs against four CR 10 opponents (they were accompanied by a caster Dryad, who didn't have any Overpowered feats) it was supposed to be a difficult pre-boss fight. My recommendation for this book - and analysis that the fighter-focused ones, including most of the Meta-Attack line, are not so over-the-top as the title claims ;) - remain unchanged =)

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Orthos wrote:
Eight months later and I finally get to use these things for the first time.

Sounds like fun!

Orthos wrote:
My recommendation for this book - and analysis that the fighter-focused ones, including most of the Meta-Attack line, are not so over-the-top as the title claims ;) - remain unchanged =)

Hey, as long as you recommend the book, I have a hard time finding the energy to take issue with any of the rest of your opinion. :D

Star Voter 2014

Now that Mythic rules are out, I wonder if these would still be overpowered as Mythic feats (thinking to Mythic Eldritch Heritage, I guess maybe not). I have a character that was just searching something like Cohort Familiar.

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I have been told by a lot of people that they offer these as Mythic feats and it works fine for them.

I have NOT playtested that, so I can't comment from tested knowledge.

On the other hand, if I were to write Horrifically Overpowered MYTHIC Feats...


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
On the other hand, if I were to write Horrifically Overpowered MYTHIC Feats...

Teh powah. I feels it.

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
On the other hand, if I were to write Horrifically Overpowered MYTHIC Feats...

I can haz the Horrifically Mythically Overpowered Feats?! :D


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

I have been told by a lot of people that they offer these as Mythic feats and it works fine for them.

I have NOT playtested that, so I can't comment from tested knowledge.

On the other hand, if I were to write Horrifically Overpowered MYTHIC Feats...

I've used a number of the Metacombat feats as Mythic feats that take a Mythic point to activate it. Worked pretty well for us. I do love these books - I run a variation of the 3.x Epic rules, and they work there easily too.

We often run solo games and need a character to cover multiple niches and we've done a lot of "normal" gestalts, but allow two Gestalt (OP) feats in place of a full class gestalt helps the variety and cover extra bases that way.

The idea of horrifically overpowered Mythic feats both frightens and delights me.

Paizo Employee Contributor

So the REAL question is, would you prefer The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic Feats (which takes existing Mythic feats, and overpowers them horrifically), or The Genius Guide to Mythic Horrifically Overpowered Feats (which would do mythic versions of the existing Horrifically Overpowered feats)?


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
So the REAL question is, would you prefer The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic Feats (which takes existing Mythic feats, and overpowers them horrifically), or The Genius Guide to Mythic Horrifically Overpowered Feats (which would do mythic versions of the existing Horrifically Overpowered feats)?

Both.

Shadow Lodge Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014

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¿Por que no los dos?


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Monkeygod wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
So the REAL question is, would you prefer The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic Feats (which takes existing Mythic feats, and overpowers them horrifically), or The Genius Guide to Mythic Horrifically Overpowered Feats (which would do mythic versions of the existing Horrifically Overpowered feats)?
Both.

Agreed both.

Marathon Voter 2013

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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
So the REAL question is, would you prefer The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic Feats (which takes existing Mythic feats, and overpowers them horrifically), or The Genius Guide to Mythic Horrifically Overpowered Feats (which would do mythic versions of the existing Horrifically Overpowered feats)?

Bolded part. Super powered mythic feats I do not need them... Yet.

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I didn't think I was going to do this, but last night I couldn't sleep so I pounded out The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic feats over the past 12 hours.
It includes both Mythic version of horrifically overpowered feats, and Horrifically Overpowered versions of mythic feats.
Maybe I'll release it a week from tomorrow?


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

I didn't think I was going to do this, but last night I couldn't sleep so I pounded out The Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Mythic feats over the past 12 hours.

It includes both Mythic version of horrifically overpowered feats, and Horrifically Overpowered versions of mythic feats.
Maybe I'll release it a week from tomorrow?

I'll buy that the day it is out.

I've been putting my thoughts to paper on what to do for character advancement after 20th/10R - those will fit right there. :D

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A teaser for Horrifically Overpowered Mythic Feats

Coming April 1st. Seriously.
But you shouldn't buy it... these are too unbalanced to be of any use to you.

Requires both Mythic Adventures and the Genius Guide to Horrifically Overpowered Feats for use. Which is fine, because you shouldn't use this book anyway.


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Awesomesauce.

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