If there are racial-based Archetypes in the book, I'd like to see rules and suggestions for making your own racial Archetypes, Racial Prestige Classes, and alternate racial traits. That'd be pretty awesome.

Agreed

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Terry

Erik Mona wrote:

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

Terry Van D!@+ wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

Is it April yet?

Terry Van D!&$ wrote:

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

There is a difference between new available options (feats, alternate race traits, etc) and changing the base stats. Although as a GM, my advice is make whatever your decision is now, based on how you want it to be. No reason to hold up playing for rules in a book that will come 6 months from now.

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Terry Van D!@+ wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

Is it April yet?

Impatient are we, well I also hate waiting. But if the product is to be done right, it needs time bake into the best possible ARG

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Terry Van D!@+ wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

Is it April yet?

Impatient are we, well I also hate waiting. But if the product is to be done right, it needs time bake into the best possible ARG

It's my prerogative as a female... so is it April now? :)

No it is not, and You have to wait like the rest of US, Dark Mistress.
After all it is just another 8 Months.

And I think you will want the finished Cake, rather than just the cake batter.

No it is not, and You have to wait like the rest of US, Dark Mistress.

After all it is just another 8 Months.

And I think you will want the finished Cake, rather than just the cake batter.

Well cake batter is good, ask any kid.

Azure_Zero wrote:

No it is not, and You have to wait like the rest of US, Dark Mistress.

After all it is just another 8 Months.

And I think you will want the finished Cake, rather than just the cake batter.

Well cake batter is good, ask any kid.

While I tend to agree with the Mistress, I think at this point in time, it's a little soon to called the book "cake batter." It's eggs, flour, sugar, and milk :).

Coincidentally, this may be the first Hardcover that wasn't setting specific that doesn't use the 3.5 brand of cake mix, which is very exciting!

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Azure_Zero wrote:

No it is not, and You have to wait like the rest of US, Dark Mistress.

After all it is just another 8 Months.

And I think you will want the finished Cake, rather than just the cake batter.

Well cake batter is good, ask any kid.

While I tend to agree with the Mistress, I think at this point in time, it's a little soon to called the book "cake batter." It's eggs, flour, sugar, and milk :).

Coincidentally, this may be the first Hardcover that wasn't setting specific that doesn't use the 3.5 brand of cake mix, which is very exciting!

I think you are more correct than me on the cake idea, Golden-Esque.

Great now I want either German Suicide Cake (Super Extreme Chocolate cake), Boterkoek (Dutch Butter Cake) or just a plain cake.

I should have done a manufactured (non-editable) item instead of the cake.

...
Coincidentally, this may be the first Hardcover that wasn't setting specific that doesn't use the 3.5 brand of cake mix, which is very exciting!

Most of the Hard Cover books are non-setting specific, (except the inner sea book)

Golden-Esque wrote:

...
Coincidentally, this may be the first Hardcover that wasn't setting specific that doesn't use the 3.5 brand of cake mix, which is very exciting!

Most of the Hard Cover books are non-setting specific, (except the inner sea book)

Exactly, and aside from that book, there is obviously a lot of 3.5 flavors in the entire hardcover range, from the Core Rulebook all the way up to Ultimate Combat. For example, the Magus is highly reminiscent of the Daggerspell Mage prestige class and the Barbarian gets a Frenzied Berserker-esque archetyoe, among other things. The Advanced Race Guide has the potential to be the first book without 3.5 influences.

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG or perhaps in a Campaign Setting book??? (Dragons of Golarion???)

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG or perhaps in a Campaign Setting book??? (Dragons of Golarion???)

I believe the 3.5 Draconomicon had a similar system for playing true dragons.

the Haunted Jester wrote:

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG or perhaps in a Campaign Setting book??? (Dragons of Golarion???)

I believe the 3.5 Draconomicon had a similar system for playing true dragons.

That is correct

and I would like to see,

Playable Yuki-onna or half-yuki-onna.

*Wikipedia has a few stories of Yuki-onna becoming wives and having children.

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

Though there may be rules for creating your own scaly, winged, clawed, bitey 0HD race that you could describe as semi-quadrupedal, and call a dragon or dragonkin or whatever you wanted to call it.

the Haunted Jester wrote:

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

Though there may be rules for creating your own scaly, winged, clawed, bitey 0HD race that you could describe as semi-quadrupedal, and call a dragon or dragonkin or whatever you wanted to call it.

This post has calmed many of my fears about ARG, as I was slightly afraid that it will be Savage Species 2.

Whew, that was close.

I'm quite excited for the race-building guidelines in here.

Hopefully they'll help me tidy up my already extensive number of homebrew Pathfinder races to at least give me a sense of security that nothing I've done is too weak/broken.

April is so very far away.

Finally I will be able to easily create my dream race: Foxfolk!

I'm gonna be really embarrassed if that's already in a Bestiary I haven't bought yet...

Finally I will be able to easily create my dream race: Foxfolk!

I'm gonna be really embarrassed if that's already in a Bestiary I haven't bought yet...

No, but they're forthcoming: Kitsune are going to be in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.

Cerealman wrote:

Finally I will be able to easily create my dream race: Foxfolk!

I'm gonna be really embarrassed if that's already in a Bestiary I haven't bought yet...

No, but they're forthcoming: Kitsune are going to be in the Dragon Empires Gazetteer.

What he said

And I think we only have a few more months to get our wishes down in the Wish list thread. After that few months you can wish it, but it might not get considered.

One request a THOROUGH PROOFREADING.

Please do not rush this book to the printer like the Ultimate Magic Book.

If Paizo wants our money, please do the little things that go unnoticed like proofreading and indexing.

Deity and cosmology material for some of the more apt to be played races. Who do they worship and revere in their society?

Possibly material about running a world without humans, or a nonhuman centric world.

Origin and racial history for each race. As a GM I like to know how and where a race came into being as well as a brief history. Also tell me what is the motivator behind the race and their place in the current world. Are they a dying race? Are they a growing developing race? Are they a race in transition from nomads or warriors to a settle society? Who are their enemies and who are their allies?

Day-to-day society material for some of the more apt to be played races. Is the society active during the day, or is it nocturnal? Is it taboo to worship or trade during certain times of the day? What are some of the holidays and festivals of other races? Who rules and governs the society?

Dying races. How about a race or two that is nearing extinction and how they are handling that fact.

Some good maps of various cities, towns, villages, and camps of the more apt to be played races. Not every society thinks and builds like humans. How about a race that lives on the back of a giant animal. A race that lives on a flotilla of interconnected barges and rafts. A nomadic seafaring race of traders that detests the confines of land and nations. A race of avian or ethereal beings that live in floating city in the clouds or a mountain spire. A race that lives in the wreckage or their crashed spaceship or planar ship.

Modes of transportation. Some unusual mounts and vehicles would be nice. Not everyone rides a horse or uses an ox cart.

Some half-race options and templates for players.

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

You guys only exist to destroy my hopes and dreams of playing a half-faerie dragon in Pathfinder. Clearly. You guys are dead to me. >:(

;)

I figure I whine about this enough, eventually you'll cave. Maybe. It works here at home with the girlfriend, maybe for publishers too?

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

You guys only exist to destroy my hopes and dreams of playing a half-faerie dragon in Pathfinder. Clearly. You guys are dead to me. >:(

;)

I figure I whine about this enough, eventually you'll cave. Maybe. It works here at home with the girlfriend, maybe for publishers too?

Wait you mean your girlfriend and you and half-faerie dragons oh my I don't even want to know.

the Haunted Jester wrote:

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

Though there may be rules for creating your own scaly, winged, clawed, bitey 0HD race that you could describe as semi-quadrupedal, and call a dragon or dragonkin or whatever you wanted to call it.

Sweet!! I must say that although I am not a fan of the cat-like race being mentioned here, I know I am in the minority and appreciate paizo listening to their audience who do want to see such a race in the ARG.

I cannot wait to make some custom races!!!

Catfolk!

I just remembered after making that last post that I have a cat person as an avatar... heh

Finally getting some love for the kobolds, even if they have to share the book with smelly bigfeet. Merk!

Finally getting some love for the kobolds, even if they have to share the book with smelly bigfeet. Merk!

I am also looking forward to the Kobold racial traits and such.

I would love to see a race that is half-cyclops. Perhaps this race use to be slaves to a cycloptian race on a different plane, and have just recently gained freedom through some calamitous revolt. Or catpeople of some sort works too! Regardless I'm looking forward to this book as well. It's nice that Paizo listens to it's player base and tries to implement these wishes as best as possible.

the Haunted Jester wrote:

Years ago Dragon Magazine had an issue where you could play Dragons as PC's. Leveling would increase your HD, powers, spell-casting, etc...By the end of the 20 level progression the player was a young adult dragon, I believe. I loved it a lot and even got to use it a couple of times. Does Paizo have any intentions to possibly include this idea in the ARG

The focus of the book is races that are basically humanoid in shape (biped, two arms, two legs, one head) and 0 racial HD. There are no plans to include details on more "monstrous" creature types in this book.

Though there may be rules for creating your own scaly, winged, clawed, bitey 0HD race that you could describe as semi-quadrupedal, and call a dragon or dragonkin or whatever you wanted to call it.

so no rules of any kind for building a playable race above 0HD ???

wow.. Big frown on that action.

Much better name than "Ultimate races".

I can't wait for this and the Beastairy III

Ultimate races will be about in game sporting events!

I for one am relieved that we won't be seeing a Savage Species style monstrous classes treatment included. My wife loves playing that kind of bizarre crap and it just doesn't work out in practical terms.

For instance, the ghaele eladrin monster class from Savage Species. At 7th level that thing can become an incorporeal globe of color. Incorporeal! At 7th level! But...around that time a serious HD deficit starts to set in too. At 20th level the ghaele eladrin monster class character only has 10 HD. Say goodbye the first time a 20th level caster uses 3.5 blasphemy.

No thank you to that crap. And thanks to Paizo for getting rid of it.

I for one am relieved that we won't be seeing a Savage Species style monstrous classes treatment included. My wife loves playing that kind of bizarre crap and it just doesn't work out in practical terms.

For instance, the ghaele eladrin monster class from Savage Species. At 7th level that thing can become an incorporeal globe of color. Incorporeal! At 7th level! But...around that time a serious HD deficit starts to set in too. At 20th level the ghaele eladrin monster class character only has 10 HD. Say goodbye the first time a 20th level caster uses 3.5 blasphemy.

No thank you to that crap. And thanks to Paizo for getting rid of it.

I never used the monster classes from Savage Species, but I would still like to see something like Savage Species be released - kind of like an APG for monsters.

I for one am relieved that we won't be seeing a Savage Species style monstrous classes treatment included. My wife loves playing that kind of bizarre crap and it just doesn't work out in practical terms.

For instance, the ghaele eladrin monster class from Savage Species. At 7th level that thing can become an incorporeal globe of color. Incorporeal! At 7th level! But...around that time a serious HD deficit starts to set in too. At 20th level the ghaele eladrin monster class character only has 10 HD. Say goodbye the first time a 20th level caster uses 3.5 blasphemy.

No thank you to that crap. And thanks to Paizo for getting rid of it.

+1, me too, what Guru said.

The only good thing about Savage Species was (and I'm not sure I will sleep well after writing this) monster templates by SKR.

If orcs, goblins, etc. are getting six pages of focus unbound by Golarion flavor, might we see some options and new flavor that step outside the alignment stereotypes they're bound to in Golarion? Even something as simple as "some orcs are something other than evil"?

Ouch, just reread the focus on the race creation rules.

Please have some options for weirder anatomy so we can have our thri-kreens, four-armed, no-arms-but-tentacles, and no-legs-but-snake-tail races. To focus the creation rules so tightly on the standard bipedal humanoid form kind of takes the wind out of the sails of getting excited over having race creation rules.

Ouch, just reread the focus on the race creation rules.

Please have some options for weirder anatomy so we can have our thri-kreens, four-armed, no-arms-but-tentacles, and no-legs-but-snake-tail races. To focus the creation rules so tightly on the standard bipedal humanoid form kind of takes the wind out of the sails of getting excited over having race creation rules.

While we'll certainly see what we can do...

...Pathfinder is INTENDED to be for player characters who are human-shaped. Everything in the rules assumes this, from the type of magic items that we build to the way combat works to the shape of things like beds and chairs in adventures.

Throwing that assumption out the window very quickly transforms it into a fundamentally different game.

There may be a way for us to present guidelines on how to build starfish pandabears or seven-legged thistleheart boarclops characters, but if we can't do that while keeping the bulk of the book something that supports Pathfinder (and by extension Golarion)... we'll abandon it.

I would love to see a race that is half-cyclops.

Did anyone else spend a moment trying to work out whether a half-cyclops has 0.5 eyes or 1.5 eyes, or is that just me?

Knight_Druid wrote:

I would love to see a race that is half-cyclops.

Did anyone else spend a moment trying to work out whether a half-cyclops has 0.5 eyes or 1.5 eyes, or is that just me?

I've spent one hour on that....

Mikaze wrote:

Ouch, just reread the focus on the race creation rules.

Please have some options for weirder anatomy so we can have our thri-kreens, four-armed, no-arms-but-tentacles, and no-legs-but-snake-tail races. To focus the creation rules so tightly on the standard bipedal humanoid form kind of takes the wind out of the sails of getting excited over having race creation rules.

While we'll certainly see what we can do...

...Pathfinder is INTENDED to be for player characters who are human-shaped. Everything in the rules assumes this, from the type of magic items that we build to the way combat works to the shape of things like beds and chairs in adventures.

Throwing that assumption out the window very quickly transforms it into a fundamentally different game.

There may be a way for us to present guidelines on how to build starfish pandabears or seven-legged thistleheart boarclops characters, but if we can't do that while keeping the bulk of the book something that supports Pathfinder (and by extension Golarion)... we'll abandon it.

crosses fingers

I'm hoping ways to emulate harpies, half-snake people, and such are within reason. (like restricting flight to gliding until a minimum HD is reached)

Azure_Zero wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

Terry Van D!@+ wrote:

Erik Mona wrote:

You should read the description. Every playable race in the entire game will be in this book.

Plus new ones you can make from scratch.

Erik, can you settle a question for me? Is the dhampyr going to have abilities that it does not already have as a result of the previously printed material? I'm holding up a decision based on this for our next campaign. Thanks.

Every race in the book includes new material. It's not just the stats you already have from the monster book presented in Core Rulebook format.

Is it April yet?

Impatient are we, well I also hate waiting. But if the product is to be done right, it needs time bake into the best possible ARG

It's my prerogative as a female... so is it April now? :)

Nope. Still not April.

Dear Paizo,

Please give us an adventure about a band of Lawful Good Orcs who try to right wrongs, mend wounds, repair bridges and generally help the world change perception of orcish race, only to perish sorrowfully in the final encounter where a generic band of plane-hopping mostly Chaotic Neutral level 15 adventurers incinerates them with a couple of well-aimed quickened fireballs, for no other reason than being short 600 XP of next level.

That ought to keep Mikaze happy :*

cynarion wrote:

Knight_Druid wrote:

I would love to see a race that is half-cyclops.

Did anyone else spend a moment trying to work out whether a half-cyclops has 0.5 eyes or 1.5 eyes, or is that just me?

I've spent one hour on that....

I spent a half hour on it. Or maybe it was an hour and a half. I'm not quite sure.

so no rules of any kind for building a playable race above 0HD ???

wow.. Big frown on that action.

Every creature is a playable "race," regardless of how many Hit Dice it has. What you're asking for are rules for "balancing" a racial-HD race against the standard races in the Core Rulebook, and that is a pipe dream. Take a look at what I said over in this post in another thread last month.

I just remembered after making that last post that I have a cat person as an avatar... heh

Your avatar image originally illustrated a fairly ordinary cat, not a cat person... but feel free to imagine otherwise!

That's no ordinary cat!

That's no ordinary cat!

I did say fairly ordinary... you know, relative to, say, walking upright and having thumbs and what-not.