Thanks Jeff, for the clarification. You rock my friend!

I am glad toy enjoyed it.

Massively improved pdf = massively improved verdict! Quite impressive and good to see. The additional content was also neat. Revised my review here, on DTRPG and sent it to GMS magazine. Cheers!

Massively improved pdf = massively improved verdict! Quite impressive and good to see. The additional content was also neat. Revised my review here, on DTRPG and sent it to GMS magazine. Cheers!

Thanks for the re-review End.

Just in case it gets missed, there were a couple of issues remaining from Endzeitgeist's review:

The PrC is a nice metamorphosis-class and comes with 2 new machinesmith tricks and unfortunately also the only remaining, but rather major blunders I could find in the revised version of the Machinesmith: The PrC lacks information regarding its Hit Dice and its skills-per-level, which constitutes a major blunder.

What should be used for the HD and Skills/level for the Machinesmith?

Just in case it gets missed, there were a couple of issues remaining from Endzeitgeist's review:

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The PrC is a nice metamorphosis-class and comes with 2 new machinesmith tricks and unfortunately also the only remaining, but rather major blunders I could find in the revised version of the Machinesmith: The PrC lacks information regarding its Hit Dice and its skills-per-level, which constitutes a major blunder.

What should be used for the HD and Skills/level for the Machinesmith?

That is a major blunder, and it's my fault. The following should be the hit dice for the Transmechanical Ascendant: d8.

The Skill points per level should be 4 + Int per level.

Both are the same as the Machinesmith, which explains my oversight.

Thanks for the quick answer.

PDF updated here at Paizo!

PDF updated here at Paizo!

Thanks so much Liz!

Think I found a typo...

"Mobius Weapon Upgrade 3: When the machinesmith
expends a mobius weapon charge, he may not
choose three feats to be activated. Additionally, as
a swift action, he may expend a charge to add his
Intelligence modifier as a luck bonus to all damage
rolls made with his mobius weapon for one round."

Shouldn't "...he may not choose..." be "...he may NOW choose..."?

Also...

Some of the machinesmith tricks have level requirements before they can be chosen. But since a machinesmith gets a trick at every EVEN level, why do some of the tricks have ODD number level requirements?

Think I found a typo...

"Mobius Weapon Upgrade 3: When the machinesmith
expends a mobius weapon charge, he may not
choose three feats to be activated. Additionally, as
a swift action, he may expend a charge to add his
Intelligence modifier as a luck bonus to all damage
rolls made with his mobius weapon for one round."

Shouldn't "...he may not choose..." be "...he may NOW choose..."?

Also...

Some of the machinesmith tricks have level requirements before they can be chosen. But since a machinesmith gets a trick at every EVEN level, why do some of the tricks have ODD number level requirements?

The answer to your first question: Yes.

The answer to your second question: Hmm. That was the case in the earlier version of the Machinesmith, actually. In theory, there may be some means to qualify for machinesmith tricks at odd levels, such as through a prestige class like the Transmechanical Ascendant - which is true, in as much as it requires the character be level 7 in machinesmith, and they get a free trick at 4th level. Other (easier) Prestige classes released in the future may work the same way.

is there going to be a feat for extra tricks as well? alchemist, witch, ect do have a feat for extra abilities so it seams appropriate to have a feat for extra machinesmith tricks as well. other than that, i really love the new pdf.

is there going to be a feat for extra tricks as well? alchemist, witch, ect do have a feat for extra abilities so it seams appropriate to have a feat for extra machinesmith tricks as well. other than that, i really love the new pdf.

We don't have any plans for it currently, but if we do more add-ons for this class, they will be focused for use with our NeoExodus: A House Divided setting.

pendothrax wrote:

Is there any chance that there is the ability once you have the gunsmithing feat orsomething simular, that you could upgrade the crossbowturret gadget trick to use a firearm instead?

Well, work is nearly wrapped up on the machinesmith - but I'll take a moment to consider how such an ability might be done.

Note that a firearm is a better weapon than a crossbow by a fair margin, mainly due to its touch attack. The revolver - an advanced firearm - is the closest to an automatic crossbow. The machinesmith using a gun turret would need firearms expertise with proficiency in a revolver (plus a physical weapon to alter). I'd say the machinesmith would need that plus the crossbow turrent trick & then take gun turret as a trick with a minimum of being 8th level. It would have a magazine of 6 bullets, but perhaps one could argue for a larger magazine (12) at a higher level trick - 12th level. This is just off the top of my head... if anyone sees a major problem.

To elaborate further. Guns are simply incredibly expensive. More than that there was debate during the development about whether or not to include firearms into the final design at all. Ultimately this is a neoexodus class and as such access to firearms are extremely limited. This being said we still felt that firearms at least needed to be mentioned in the class. In the end we compromised with a limited use of firearms in the class and specifically limited to characters that came from the steampunk inclined Arman Protectorate. Naturally GM's who play in other settings can happily remove such restrictions.

Some of the machinesmith tricks have level requirements before they can be chosen. But since a machinesmith gets a trick at every EVEN level, why do some of the tricks have ODD number level requirements?

Partly because in some earlier drafts they received machine tricks at odd levels. However this changed but the text did not. I left it in mainly for the enventuality of printing the "Extra Machinetrick" feat. This feat would allow you to essentially spend a feat to get things a little "earlier" than you normally would. Obviously it has not been printed yet but it's something to look forward to in the future.

Partly because in some earlier drafts they received machine tricks at odd levels. However this changed but the text did not. I left it in mainly for the enventuality of printing the "Extra Machinetrick" feat. This feat would allow you to essentially spend a feat to get things a little "earlier" than you normally would. Obviously it has not been printed yet but it's something to look forward to in the future.

I expect that we will be adding EVEN more material of the Machinesmith to the upcoming Quartermaster Handbook we are making for NeoEoxdus. Think of it as our specialized version of the Ultimate Equipment for NeoExodus.

TarkXT wrote:

Partly because in some earlier drafts they received machine tricks at odd levels. However this changed but the text did not. I left it in mainly for the enventuality of printing the "Extra Machinetrick" feat. This feat would allow you to essentially spend a feat to get things a little "earlier" than you normally would. Obviously it has not been printed yet but it's something to look forward to in the future.

I expect that we will be adding EVEN more material of the Machinesmith to the upcoming Quartermaster Handbook we are making for NeoEoxdus. Think of it as our specialized version of the Ultimate Equipment for NeoExodus.

Looking forward to it!

So I'm studying for a test and I'm killing some time in between sections of pathology, and I was thinking about the machinesmith and multi-classing...when it occured to me that perhaps a Druid/Machinesmith multi-class in incompatible? Druids are a no-go in terms of metal, and the machinesmith...well...yah.

Is it/could it be possible to have a machinesmith build that could multiclass into druid and not be totally defunct? Is there an archtype build in the future that specificially resolves this issue? Maybe this is a nieve question all together but like I said, my books are elsewhere and this was just off of the top of my head.

I have but one question: how likely is it that the "wheeled" Mechanus can be a motorcycle like I'm imagining?

I have but one question: how likely is it that the "wheeled" Mechanus can be a motorcycle like I'm imagining?

Nothing stops it from looking like that no.

Is it/could it be possible to have a machinesmith build that could multiclass into druid and not be totally defunct? Is there an archtype build in the future that specificially resolves this issue? Maybe this is a nieve question all together but like I said, my books are elsewhere and this was just off of the top of my head.

As far as I can tell there's nothing that stops either class from multiclassing into the other and not retain full capability. You can't wear metal armor without losing druid abilities but a machinesmith doesn't have to wear metal armor either. Your gm might feel differently.

I have but one question: how likely is it that the "wheeled" Mechanus can be a motorcycle like I'm imagining?

If your GM says OK, I guess it would be OK.

Great love it and will review it after a playtest.

Just to not however the Greater Crossbow turret trick says it increases the ammo capacity to 20 but 20 is what the base turret trick alreay states.

Great love it and will review it after a playtest.

Just to not however the Greater Crossbow turret trick says it increases the ammo capacity to 20 but 20 is what the base turret trick alreay states.

That should be 40.

Perhaps I have an old version of the pdf, but the wording and the function of the Mobius Soul class feature of the Transmechanical Ascendant seems awkward in some aspects. For example:

At 1st level rather than attaching a mobius core to a device the transmechanical ascendant instead grafts the mobius core into their own flesh turning it into a mobius soul. The core is implanted either in the forehead, the base of the skull or the center of the chest.

Is this intending to state that whatever Greatwork you may have had prior to taking this prestige class becomes inert? Do we get to run both our Greatwork and our Mobius soul off of one core? Alternatively, do we get a second mobius core? I ask these questions because:

The mobius soul grants a number of charges equal to the transmechanical ascendant’s Intelligence modifier + ½ their class level.

While not absolutely crippling, this seems to be more like an oversight on the design, as what sense would it make to have your mobius core's charge capacity shrink upon taking this prestige class? Perhaps you have your reasons, or perhaps it wasn't what was intended.

If I were to take these rulings as RAW, then any Analyzer, Mechanus, or Mobius Weapon Augmentations Machinesmith Tricks would be come useless, and a waste of class features. Would it just be a matter of not taking these Tricks in the first place, had I planned to take the prestige class in the first place?

Regardless, I thought I should bring this up...

Perhaps I have an old version of the pdf, but the wording and the function of the Mobius Soul class feature of the Transmechanical Ascendant seems awkward in some aspects. For example:

PDF wrote:

At 1st level rather than attaching a mobius core to a device the transmechanical ascendant instead grafts the mobius core into their own flesh turning it into a mobius soul. The core is implanted either in the forehead, the base of the skull or the center of the chest.

Is this intending to state that whatever Greatwork you may have had prior to taking this prestige class becomes inert? Do we get to run both our Greatwork and our Mobius soul off of one core? Alternatively, do we get a second mobius core?

I would assume yes.

I ask these questions because:

The mobius soul grants a number of charges equal to the transmechanical ascendant’s Intelligence modifier + ½ their class level.

I don't understand; this is the same charges you get as a standard Machinesmith (this is stated on page 4, paragraph 5 last sentence). Why would there be an issue?

If I were to take these rulings as RAW, then any Analyzer, Mechanus, or Mobius Weapon Augmentations Machinesmith Tricks would be come useless, and a waste of class features. Would it just be a matter of not taking these Tricks in the first place, had I planned to take the prestige class in the first place?

Regardless, I thought I should bring this up...

I am sorry but I am little confused why do you think they would they become useless?

I would assume yes.

I asked 3 questions initially, so let me clear it up:

1.By placing the Mobius Core in your body for Mobius Soul, does this remove the very same Mobius Core powering the Greatwork granted by the Machinesmith Class?
2.If it doesn't stop powering the Greatwork, does a single Mobius Core power both the Mobius Soul AND the Greatwork somehow?
3.If it doesn't use one Mobius Core, does the Mobius Core feature imply you get a SECOND Mobius Core (one for your Mobius Soul, one for the Greatwork)?

Please elaborate on your answer, as each question is inter-dependant on the other. A single, simple 'yes' won't do.

I don't understand; this is the same charges you get as a standard Machinesmith (this is stated on page 4, paragraph 5 last sentence). Why would there be an issue?

If you look at the Greatworks Mobius Weapon and Analyzer, they each have a number of charges equal to 1/2 the Machinesmith's level + INT modifier. The Mobius Soul, in turn, is the exact same formula, but the class levels it calculates the charges off of is the Transmechanical Ascendant's. Was it the intent to calculate the charges of this Mobius Core off of just the prestige class levels, or the Machinesmith's AND Transmechanical Ascendant's level's combined?

I am sorry but I am little confused why do you think they would they become useless?

Assuming that there is only one mobius core to go around, and it can only power the mobius soul once the prestige class is taken, wouldn't the Greatwork cease to function? It has no mobius core powering it.

Does that better articulate my concerns?

I asked 3 questions initially, so let me clear it up:

1.By placing the Mobius Core in your body for Mobius Soul, does this remove the very same Mobius Core powering the Greatwork granted by the Machinesmith Class?
2.If it doesn't stop powering the Greatwork, does a single Mobius Core power both the Mobius Soul AND the Greatwork somehow?
3.If it doesn't use one Mobius Core, does the Mobius Core feature imply you get a SECOND Mobius Core (one for your Mobius Soul, one for the Greatwork)?

Based on your questions and looking at the RAW I would say that a typical Machinesmith would have only one Mobius Core, while a Transmechanical Ascendant would have two Mobius Cores: one for the Greatworks and one for the Mobius Soul. But personally in my games, I would see it as one Mobius Core that powers both the Greatworks AND the Mobius soul.

Based on the answers above in the case with a trick like Mobius Detonator, in the first case you would destroy one of the Mobius Core (the Machinesmith) while one would remain (Mobius Soul of the Transmechanical Ascendant). In my game, with the Mobius Detonator, the Mobius Core / Soul would be destroyed and have to be rebuilt before I could use the Mobius Core based abilities.

But as always, use the best judgement for your game.

If you look at the Greatworks Mobius Weapon and Analyzer, they each have a number of charges equal to 1/2 the Machinesmith's level + INT modifier. The Mobius Soul, in turn, is the exact same formula, but the class levels it calculates the charges off of is the Transmechanical Ascendant's. Was it the intent to calculate the charges of this Mobius Core off of just the prestige class levels, or the Machinesmith's AND Transmechanical Ascendant's level's combined?

The Mobius Core is based off of the Machinesmith's level; while the Mobius Soul is based off of the Machinesmith AND Transmechanical Ascendant levels combined (since you have to be a Machinesmith before you can be a Transmechanical Ascendant).

Assuming that there is only one mobius core to go around, and it can only power the mobius soul once the prestige class is taken, wouldn't the Greatwork cease to function? It has no mobius core powering it.

As I stated above, Based on your questions and looking at the RAW I would say that a typical Machinesmith would have only one Mobius Core, while a Transmechanical Ascendant would have two Mobius Cores: one for the Greatworks and one for the Mobius Soul. But personally in my games, I would see it as one Mobius Core that powers both the Greatworks AND the Mobius soul.

Hope this helps.

Volkspanzer wrote:

I asked 3 questions initially, so let me clear it up:

1.By placing the Mobius Core in your body for Mobius Soul, does this remove the very same Mobius Core powering the Greatwork granted by the Machinesmith Class?
2.If it doesn't stop powering the Greatwork, does a single Mobius Core power both the Mobius Soul AND the Greatwork somehow?
3.If it doesn't use one Mobius Core, does the Mobius Core feature imply you get a SECOND Mobius Core (one for your Mobius Soul, one for the Greatwork)?

Based on your questions and looking at the RAW I would say that a typical Machinesmith would have only one Mobius Core, while a Transmechanical Ascendant would have two Mobius Cores: one for the Greatworks and one for the Mobius Soul. But personally in my games, I would see it as one Mobius Core that powers both the Greatworks AND the Mobius soul.

Based on the answers above in the case with a trick like Mobius Detonator, in the first case you would destroy one of the Mobius Core (the Machinesmith) while one would remain (Mobius Soul of the Transmechanical Ascendant). In my game, with the Mobius Detonator, the Mobius Core / Soul would be destroyed and have to be rebuilt before I could use the Mobius Core based abilities.

But as always, use the best judgement for your game.

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If you look at the Greatworks Mobius Weapon and Analyzer, they each have a number of charges equal to 1/2 the Machinesmith's level + INT modifier. The Mobius Soul, in turn, is the exact same formula, but the class levels it calculates the charges off of is the Transmechanical Ascendant's. Was it the intent to calculate the charges of this Mobius Core off of just the prestige class levels, or the Machinesmith's AND Transmechanical Ascendant's level's combined?

The Mobius Core is based off of the Machinesmith's level; while the Mobius Soul is based off of the Machinesmith AND Transmechanical Ascendant levels combined (since you have to be a Machinesmith before you can be a...

Louis' analysis is correct- that's what I intended in my revision of the class and prestige class.

This helps immensely, thank you for clarifying my issues! Is there any expected date as to when these clarifications will be implemented on the pdf?

Does anyone know a specific example of a change between the original and the updated? Trying to compare two things here.

A reader over at d20pfsrd.com caught a small typo in the Machinesmith trick section

"The DC of any saving throw called for by a machinesmith trick is equal to 10 + 1/2 the machinesmith's level + the ALCHEMIST'S Intelligence modifier."

I'm guessing that ALCHEMIST'S should be machinesmith's.

Does anyone know a specific example of a change between the original and the updated? Trying to compare two things here.

The terminology is cleared up (the same word is no longer used for two distinct class features). The spell list is expanded and clarified (with one spell dropped).

The Super Genius bullet point is compatible to the newer version, as well.

& re the previous post, yes, that's a mistake.

Speaking of which, the Super Genius bullet points is pretty awesome. Nothing earth shattering mind you, but some cool new feats that are worth checking out. Just my two cents.

Speaking of which, the Super Genius bullet points is pretty awesome. Nothing earth shattering mind you, but some cool new feats that are worth checking out. Just my two cents.

I'm glad you enjoyed it! And I appreciate LPJ being on board with the idea of "4th party" support. :)

Bombardier + Explosive Expert: You add your Int bonus to damage twice? I'm guessing yes, as the original bonus is untyped and the Explosive Expert's bonus is a luck one. But I'm just making sure. The combination make him a better bomber than the alchemist, but I think it's just fair, as you are giving a major class ability (Greatwork).

Bombardier + Explosive Expert: You add your Int bonus to damage twice? I'm guessing yes, as the original bonus is untyped and the Explosive Expert's bonus is a luck one. But I'm just making sure. The combination make him a better bomber than the alchemist, but I think it's just fair, as you are giving a major class ability (Greatwork).

I would say, Yes.

How to recharge the charges of a Mobius core? Only recreating it? Daily?

I believe it recharges daily, but I'd have to double check...

How to recharge the charges of a Mobius core? Only recreating it? Daily?

The Analyzer says this:

These charges return automatically if not used for 8 consecutive hours.

The others don't seem to specify, but I would assume they are the same. Just don't use charges for 8 hours and all of them return.

I am loving the feel of this class. I just wish that the prestige class gave some sort of progression to your original mobius core as well. Heh, that might be too much, though.

I am loving the feel of this class. I just wish that the prestige class gave some sort of progression to your original mobius core as well. Heh, that might be too much, though.

Well we are in the process of developing an anti-Machinesmith, most likely to be called the Fleshweaver, so we might have to go back and maybe add some stuff to the Machinesmith.

Have any other greatworks been released?

Don't have access to my HD right now, but the Machinesmith-archetypes in RiP's "Secrets of Renegade Archetypes" provide some mayor options for the Machinesmith. Cheers!

Have any other greatworks been released?

Funny you should say that. We SHOULD have a another major announcement about the Machinesmith coming soon. But I don't want to spoil it yet, so stay tuned.

Was the fleshwraith what you were referring to for new greatworks?

Where can I find other materials for the Machinesmith other than the core pdf that was released? What other pdf's are out right now that have machinesmith materials? I saw theres a bullet points pdf that has some feats that I want to check out but I don't know if they're compatible.

I've been playing "The Professor" for a few weeks now, and I want to see if there were more options I could use to build him with so I can try more things out!

The Bullet Points from Super Genius Games are built for the Machinesmith.

Aside from those, I personally am unaware of other Machinesmith products.

Where can I find other materials for the Machinesmith other than the core pdf that was released? What other pdf's are out right now that have machinesmith materials? I saw theres a bullet points pdf that has some feats that I want to check out but I don't know if they're compatible.

I've been playing "The Professor" for a few weeks now, and I want to see if there were more options I could use to build him with so I can try more things out!

This book, is indeed compatible and designed in cooperation between LPJr and Super Genius.

The Fleshwraith, coming soon, is a gristle and bone-type Machinesmith variant/new class.

I believe Louis may be planning further Machinesmith supplemental material, but I'm not sure when it will come to fruition.

rungok wrote:

Where can I find other materials for the Machinesmith other than the core pdf that was released? What other pdf's are out right now that have machinesmith materials? I saw theres a bullet points pdf that has some feats that I want to check out but I don't know if they're compatible.

I've been playing "The Professor" for a few weeks now, and I want to see if there were more options I could use to build him with so I can try more things out!

This book, is indeed compatible and designed in cooperation between LPJr and Super Genius.

I picked this up just now since it was a buck. I look forward to seeing the more options that are available.

I wonder what your opinions are of the two archetypes mentioned earlier in this thread.

Where can I find other materials for the Machinesmith other than the core pdf that was released? What other pdf's are out right now that have machinesmith materials? I saw theres a bullet points pdf that has some feats that I want to check out but I don't know if they're compatible.

I've been playing "The Professor" for a few weeks now, and I want to see if there were more options I could use to build him with so I can try more things out!

You can fin two more classes for the Machinesmith (Cipher and Toymaker) in the The Secrets of Renegade Archetypes (PFRPG).

Was the fleshwraith what you were referring to for new greatworks?

Yes I was. I have the latest version of the Fleshwraith, but I have not looked at it since we started our latest Kickistarter. I expect to start work again on it after the Kickstarter (which is Sunday).

Wow, I should have chosen the cipher version of the Machinesmith for The Professor! It would have been awesome.