Looks like Eric had dropped another name for the set.

Thanks for posting that, I'll update my site with that :)

pathfinderminis.com

Nice site

It is a nice site. I keep telling myself that I have to bookmark it, but then I realize its easy enough to remember; except that I sometimes forget.

I'd better bookmark it...

Thanks.

If you are just going by memory, you can also use: pathfinderminiatures.com

The longer one is probably easier to remember, but I prefer to promote the shorter name.

Kor, I also really like the site. But if I can make one small request, when you eventually do the checklist for the Rise of the Runelords set, can you make the check boxes a little bigger?

I know technically it is only supposed to be a checklist, but at least with myself, I used the Heroes & Monsters checklist to catalog my miniatures, so I wrote my 'inventory' for each of minis in the boxes.

But yes, great job on the site overall!

To my understanding, the biggest cost that affects mini's pricing is oil. The plastic they are made from is a by-product of the refinement process.

I don't personally know the percentage breakdown of where WizKids' specific costs go, but the cost of painting a given mini is pretty much "as much as you're willing to spend on it," and can certainly exceed materials costs. We've certainly encouraged WizKids to push the paint ops further than they've ever done, and when you get this set in your own hands, I think a lot of you will be stunned at what they've been able to do for us.

Earlier this week, we got to see the first paints on factory plastics—not quite final production paints yet, but the last iteration before that—for nearly the entire set, and I bet the word "wow" was uttered well over a hundred times.

I just need to figure out how I'm going to store these minis to keep them safe. Any suggestions?

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

To my understanding, the biggest cost that affects mini's pricing is oil. The plastic they are made from is a by-product of the refinement process.

I don't personally know the percentage breakdown of where WizKids' specific costs go, but the cost of painting a given mini is pretty much "as much as you're willing to spend on it," and can certainly exceed materials costs. We've certainly encouraged WizKids to push the paint ops further than they've ever done, and when you get this set in your own hands, I think a lot of you will be stunned at what they've been able to do for us.

Earlier this week, we got to see the first paints on factory plastics—not quite final production paints yet, but the last iteration before that—for nearly the entire set, and I bet the word "wow" was uttered well over a hundred times.

Sorry, I meant to refer to the base cost of the mini as it relates to the market price of oil.

Most certainly, the paint price adds up quick. Most pre-painted miniature manufacturers can economically make the minis if they require 3 paint steps or less. Every step above 3 has a significant, and almost exponential cost tied to it. This is why the WotC mini quality dropped a lot, as they were trying to really limit their paint steps.

I'm no expert at calculating paint steps based on the appearance of the mini, but I'd almost venture a guess and say that it is close to an average of 6 on the PF Battles line. So given that "guestimate", people need to understand how great of a value they are getting on these minis being produced by Paizo/WizKids. I am still somewhat baffled as to how they can offer minis of this quality at the low price that they do.

I just need to figure out how I'm going to store these minis to keep them safe. Any suggestions?

I used to just use tool storage boxes. The one linked below at Home Depot is nice and deep and can hold most minis, including huge minis.

Storage Box

My collection finally grew so big I had to go to Ikea and buy some Billy shelves with glass doors.

Book Case

Kor, I also really like the site. But if I can make one small request, when you eventually do the checklist for the Rise of the Runelords set, can you make the check boxes a little bigger?

I know technically it is only supposed to be a checklist, but at least with myself, I used the Heroes & Monsters checklist to catalog my miniatures, so I wrote my 'inventory' for each of minis in the boxes.

But yes, great job on the site overall!

Thanks, and yes I will definately make the boxes bigger as I think several people used the list for recording quantities.

I'd almost venture a guess and say that it is close to an average of 6 on the PF Battles line.

I'm very confused... most Heroes & Monsters minis have *way* more paint steps than that. Heck, many Rise of the Runelords minis have more than 6 *colors*, and on the order of *dozens* of paint steps.

Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:

I'd almost venture a guess and say that it is close to an average of 6 on the PF Battles line.

I'm very confused... most Heroes & Monsters minis have *way* more paint steps than that. Heck, many Rise of the Runelords minis have more than 6 *colors*, and on the order of *dozens* of paint steps.

I think the amount of steps for Heroes and Monsters and then for the upcoming Rise of the Runelords sets is what makes them so amazing in comparison to the former WotC miniatures. In the latter sets it just seems to be such a low amount of steps by their manufacturing (WotC)of their minis that make The Pathfinder Minis so awesome!! :)

From my observation, H&M far exceeds DDMs in number of paint steps. And from the previews it looks like RotR will surpass H&M. There will always be naysayers. I am very happy overall with the minis in H&M and look forward to RotR.

Concerning whether a 40 piece set or a 60 piece set is better; that is a tough one. With RotR you needed a 60 piece set to cover the key figures in the Adventure Path. However, the price of a case will force many to look to the after market for singles. The 40 piece set is much more affordable for the general masses to buy by the case. So unless the set is needed to be large like in the case with RotR, I would say the smaller sets make sense for reasons of sheer affordability. A factor that truly cannot be ignored.

Later,

Mazra

I just need to figure out how I'm going to store these minis to keep them safe. Any suggestions?

Honestly, you can just toss these into a hard-sided tupperware container and be done with it.

If you want to get a bit more organized, to to Wao-Mart and head for the sporting goods asile. Look for the plastic tackle boxes. Some are as simple as a hinged lid with fixed or adjustable compartment sizes. Larger minis need larger compartment sizes, but these tackle boxes are as cheap as $2, so you have options aplenty.

I'm also using the cubes with canvas drawers you can get at craft stores (or department stores) for the various types, and then splitten them up with various clear containers

Thanks for the suggestions!

Hobbun wrote:

Kor, I also really like the site. But if I can make one small request, when you eventually do the checklist for the Rise of the Runelords set, can you make the check boxes a little bigger?

I know technically it is only supposed to be a checklist, but at least with myself, I used the Heroes & Monsters checklist to catalog my miniatures, so I wrote my 'inventory' for each of minis in the boxes.

But yes, great job on the site overall!

Thanks, and yes I will definately make the boxes bigger as I think several people used the list for recording quantities.

Oh, just saw this response (sorry!). And thank you!

HangarFlying wrote:

I just need to figure out how I'm going to store these minis to keep them safe. Any suggestions?

I used to just use tool storage boxes. The one linked below at Home Depot is nice and deep and can hold most minis, including huge minis.

Storage Box

My collection finally grew so big I had to go to Ikea and buy some Billy shelves with glass doors.

Book Case

I was actually thinking about that exact Stanley storage box for my minis. I like it as you can easily bring minis with you, which is good for me as we don’t play at my home.

How has that storage box worked for you, Kor? The only thing I worry about with the harder and more brittle PF battle minis (compared to DDM), there is more of a chance arms, weapons, shields, etc. could break off. Do you find this Stanley storage container works well in keeping the minis stable enough? Have you transported the PF Battles minis?

As for the shelves, I would do that as well (as I have a TON of DDM minis), but I just don’t have any room for any shelving.

Let's keep the product threads for discussion of the product. If you'd like to continue the minis storage conversation, please head over to the Miniatures forum!

Sorry Vic! I'm just so excited, I want to do what I can to keep them safe!

I was actually thinking about that exact Stanley storage box for my minis. I like it as you can easily bring minis with you, which is good for me as we don’t play at my home.

How has that storage box worked for you, Kor? The only thing I worry about with the harder and more brittle PF battle minis (compared to DDM), there is more of a chance arms, weapons, shields, etc. could break off. Do you find this Stanley storage container works well in keeping the minis stable enough? Have you transported the PF Battles minis?

As for the shelves, I would do that as well (as I have a TON of DDM minis), but I just don’t have any room for any shelving.

With regards to Vic's reminder to staying on topic, I can say that I have not transported my Rise of the Runelord minis, so I am uncertain how they would hold up to transport in a segmented storage container but I suspect they should be fine -- but I would recommend ensuring not to drop or bang such a container to prevent damage to the Rise of the Runelord minis.

I let my 4-year old boy play with my extras. The only "breaking" he's managed (and believe me, he could break a crowbar in a desert) was knocking a minotaur off it's base. I already bought a sealed booster with a minotaur off it's base, so I'd say it's a problem with the peg'n'hole nature of that mini (and/or the glue used) than any indication of fragility of these figures.

I let my 4-year old boy play with my extras. The only "breaking" he's managed (and believe me, he could break a crowbar in a desert) was knocking a minotaur off it's base. I already bought a sealed booster with a minotaur off it's base, so I'd say it's a problem with the peg'n'hole nature of that mini (and/or the glue used) than any indication of fragility of these figures.

My 5-year-old daughter sheepishly brought my manticore to me during my last gaming session. She had been playing with the ones I wasn't using and had broken its wing off. It's a peg-in-hole (sort of) and it stuck it back on, but I plan to gorilla glue it at some point soon.

-Skeld

I'm really looking forward to this set's release!
Glad to see there's so much interest in the Pathfinder minis.
Some days I think about how PAIZO is in it for the long haul, and imagine what our collections will look like by 2015!
Some days I imagine what the monsters from Bestiaries will look like, especially some of the figures that have never been sculpted before!

It's a great time to be a Paizonian!

My 5-year-old daughter sheepishly brought my manticore to me during my last gaming session. She had been playing with the ones I wasn't using and had broken its wing off. It's a peg-in-hole (sort of) and it stuck it back on, but I plan to gorilla glue it at some point soon.

-Skeld

I highly recommend the Loctite Plastics Bonding System, a.k.a. Loctite All-Plastic Super Glue. I've been disappointed in the results of using Gorilla Glue on plastic in the past, so when my Heroes & Monsters storm giant arrived with its fist broken off, I asked for advice. That was what I got, and it worked like a charm.

Can anyone tell me what the maximum number of rune giants might be found in a single encounter? As this would largely dictate how many I'd like to acquire and therefore either how many cases I need to order, or hope that buying them singly at some point is not only possible but also not prohibitively more expensive than buying another case or two.

At least 6. There is such an encounter in the 6th volume.

I believe that James Jacobs has said that, with the update to PfRPG, the number of rune giants in an encounter has decreased in the anniversary hardcover.

EDIT: Post here.

At least 6. There is such an encounter in the 6th volume.

Yikes, that would be hard on the wallet I think.

I believe that James Jacobs has said that, with the update to PfRPG, the number of rune giants in an encounter has decreased in the anniversary hardcover.

Thanks for the link. One per encounter is good then. And perhaps a second to be on the safe side in those cases where pc's might become unlucky or trigger more than one encounter.

Price of the set is heavy. And I mean Heavy.

I am ordering it to Finland, which means heavy posting costs, risks with Euro/Dollar exchange rate and add to top Finnish 23% VAT at customs.

For the first set I had 3 friends sharing the expanses. Each of us paid about 79€. Total 317€.

I did now the same calculation, and with all costs I am now getting share of 152€. Total 609€!!

If I was to buy it all alone, I'd say nay at this same second. Now I am asking if friends will take their shares again before making the final decision.

So by crunching the numbers, I'd definitely suggest smaller (30-40 piece) sets in the future.

Thanks for the link. One per encounter is good then. And perhaps a second to be on the safe side in those cases where pc's might become unlucky or trigger more than one encounter.

I just ran my party of six 15th L PCs against a pair of PFRPG rune giants. The cleric was channeling frantically; had both giants used their spark showers on the same round, likely the entire party would have died.

Last year, more than 7 million player died by a 6 sided dice or a penny.

Most of these players suffer needlessly from preventable and treatable visual mistakes. "I thought that was just a piece of candy!". This is unacceptable. Basic minis like the Rise of the Runelord set, are essential to player survival.

Help a needy gamer see the difference between popcorn and goblins. Won't you donate today?

http://fnd.us/c/fKDCf

Ok, I'm having trouble finding some information on this, though I'm sure I've seen it before. Can't find it anywhere though. How many huge sized miniatures are in this set? Will a huge case get you one of each huge? Or are there more than 6?

There's 4 Huge minis in this set. A huge case is 6 minis, one lamia, one stone golem, two storm giants and two treachery demons IIRC.

There's 4 Huge minis in this set. A huge case is 6 minis, one lamia, one stone golem, two storm giants and two treachery demons IIRC.

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Actually, the four huges are the Lamia, the Storm Giant, Karzoug Statue and the Treachery Demon. The Stone Golem is a large.

Although I am not sure on what the case distribution will be. But BlueLikeYou, a full case should most definitely get you all the huges and a couple duplicates to spare.

A huge case is 1 Lamia Harridan, 1 Karzoug Statue, 2 Treachery Demons, and 2 Storm Giants.

Sniggevert wrote:

There's 4 Huge minis in this set. A huge case is 6 minis, one lamia, one stone golem, two storm giants and two treachery demons IIRC.

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Actually, the four huges are the Lamia, the Storm Giant, Karzoug Statue and the Treachery Demon. The Stone Golem is a large.

Although I am not sure on what the case distribution will be. But BlueLikeYou, a full case should most definitely get you all the huges and a couple duplicates to spare.

Well just to throw my two coppers in as a subscriber. I love the minis and am very happy the line is here. It was a very big decision for me to stick this one out. I did namely because My group has been going strong for almost two years now (an epic feat compared to the past)! When I saw I had a gang of people dedicated to sticking it out I knew I wanted to run Rise (three previous attempts never made it past book 1). So the timing on this set works out wonderful, but that price tag on top of a double ap month ouch! I am happy for all those who can not blink an eye and I understand the if you cannot afford it don't buy it arguments. They have been well stated in this thread; Vic also asked for feedback. I would stay subbed if the sets were priced at or near the H&M set. If they are going to stay at the Rise price point model than I am likely to drop the sub. That is not meant as a slight or anything of the such if I could afford the cost I would love to continue to shell out the big bucks and get niffty premiums and ohhhs and ahhhs. It is just too big a hit at one time. I hope either way you guys ultimately decide to go works out. I would hate to see the line go away (and I doubt it would). Glad to hear the outlook is still really good on getting a complete set.

I have yet to decide if I will get this one. Here is my problem with it:

I have plenty of character type miniatures. What I want are the reuseable ones, monsters. There is a high percentage of single/rare use human/oids.

I am thinking about buying a bundle (regular case and huge case). What is the benefit, if any, to buying a case subscription instead of just preordering a case bundle.

I am thinking about buying a bundle (regular case and huge case). What is the benefit, if any, to buying a case subscription instead of just preordering a case bundle.

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• 75% off the case exclusive (so in this case the Rune Giant is $10 instead of $40)
  
• 20% off a encounter pack (so far, only Champions of Evil is in this line, but I woudn't be surprised to hear of others next weekend)
  
• 20% off singles from the site

Pathfinderminis has been updated with the latest Rise of the Runelords rarity changes.

To help recognize recent changes, I will now be highlighting the details and change date in yellow.

www.pathfinderminis.com

A huge case is 1 Lamia Harridan, 1 Karzoug Statue, 2 Treachery Demons, and 2 Storm Giants.

That is flippin' awesome. I was hoping (assuming random distribution) for those exact numbers.

Possible Spoilers Below! (Sorry, don't know how to do a spoilers button.)

A huge case is 1 Lamia Harridan, 1 Karzoug Statue, 2 Treachery Demons, and 2 Storm Giants.

Has there been any word yet on content change in the adventure? I have heard that the Rune Giant encounters have been changed so that you shouldn't need more than one Rune Giant mini...what about these Huge minis?

Going through my original Runelords adventures, I would need 1 Karzoug Statue, 2 Glabrezu (assuming a second was summoned), 6 Lamia Harridans, and 5 Storm Giants.

Those are MINIMUMS, assuming no fights spill over into other areas with the same monster (in which case, I could need as many as 9 Lamia Harridans and 8 Storm Giants).

To get the 6 Lamia Harridans, I'll need six cases. Not only will that cost a fortune, but it which will give me size Karzoug Statues, five of which I don't need, 12 Glabrezu, most of which I won't need, etc.

So, without giving too much away, can you let us know how many of these we need to run the Anniversary Edition?

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Thanks,
Taffer

To get the 6 Lamia Harridans, I'll need six cases.

You should chase any duplicates you may need as singles in the secondary market. Not only will Paizo be selling singles, but Auggies will most likely have singles too. And there is always Ebay.

Later,

Mazra

It would also be useful to know which monsters/NPCs are represented in the RotR pawns box but not in the minis, and vice versa.

@Damon Griffin:

RotRL Pawns with a list of pawns available

Page showing all but one mini (which will be revealed Friday)

WOW, $500 is a lot of money to pay for a set of minis.

I agree and to have to pay that price to get the special minis (Black Dragon and Rune Giant) is ridiculous.

Shalafi2412 wrote:

WOW, $500 is a lot of money to pay for a set of minis.

I agree and to have to pay that price to get the special minis (Black Dragon and Rune Giant) is ridiculous.

Well, I've heard it said that once the RotRL set goes on sale, any remaining Black Dragons from the previous set will be available for purchase separate from purchasing a case. If this is true, then all you have to do is wait until the next set becomes available in January-ish for the Rune Giant to be available.

Has there been any word yet on content change in the adventure? I have heard that the Rune Giant encounters have been changed so that you shouldn't need more than one Rune Giant mini...what about these Huge minis?

Going through my original Runelords adventures, I would need 1 Karzoug Statue, 2 Glabrezu (assuming a second was summoned), 6 Lamia Harridans, and 5 Storm Giants.

So, without giving too much away, can you let us know how many of these we need to run the Anniversary Edition?

Taffer:

James Jacobs made some major modifications to the last series of battles in the Pinnacle of Avarice. We took those modifications into account when we set the rarities for this minis set. I can't remember exactly what those changes are, but I know that there are a heck of a lot less creatures in each encounter and a much smaller chance of those encounters spilling over into each other. Throw away what you now from the original Pathfinder #6 when thinking about how many of each mini you will need. The answers will be in your hands next week when we start shipping our sub shipments.

-Lisa