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Pathfinder Battles—Rise of the Runelords

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The friends, fiends, and foes of Pathfinder's Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path invade your gaming table with Rise of the Runelords, the brand new Pathfinder Battles prepainted miniatures set from Paizo Publishing and WizKids! This stunning set features 64 all-new sculpts drawn from the gorgeous art in Paizo's Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path Anniversary Edition, a hardcover collection of the very first Pathfinder campaign! Designed to enhance the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path, but suitable for any fantasy roleplaying campaign, these figures raise the bar on prepainted miniatures, setting a new standard of excellence and featuring a wide variety of monsters, NPCs, and heroes from the most popular Pathfinder campaign of all time!

Pathfinder Battles Rise of the Runelords miniatures come in two product configurations: Standard Boosters contain 4 Large, Medium, and Small minis, and Huge Boosters contain 1 Huge mini.

  • Rise of the Runelords Standard Boosters contain 1 Large figure and 3 Medium or Small figures
  • Rise of the Runelords Standard Bricks contain 8 Standard Boosters (32 figures total)
  • Rise of the Runelords Standard Cases contain 4 Standard Bricks (32 Standard Boosters, 128 figures total)
  • Rise of the Runelords Huge Boosters contain 1 Huge figure
  • Rise of the Runelords Huge Cases contain 6 Huge Boosters (6 figures total)
  • Rise of the Runelords Case Bundles contain 1 Standard Case and 1 Huge Case (128 small, medium or large figures and 6 Huge figures)

Purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick. Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases should get a nearly complete set of figures. (As with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed.)

Rise of the Runelords Set List

CommonUncommon
1  Bugbear Hero
2  Goblin Commando
3  Goblin Dog
4  Goblin Warchanter
5  Kobold Champion
6  Faceless Stalker
7  Ghoul
8  Harpy
9  Ogrekin
10  Yeth Hound
11  Denizen of Leng
12  Redcap
13  Sinspawn
14  Sinspawn Axeman
15  Skinsaw Cultist
16  Alu-Demon
17  Lamia Kuchrima
18  Shining Child
19  Warrior of Wrath
20  Wraith
21  Goblin Commando on Goblin Dog
22  Jakardros Sovark
23  Lyrie Akenja
24  Ameiko Kaijitsu
25  Harsk, Dwarf Ranger
26  Lamia Matriarch
27  Malfeshnekor
28  Orik Vancaskerkin
29  Tsuto Kaijitsu
30  Vale Temros
31  Kaven Windstrike
32  Khalib
33  Ogre
34  Ogre Brute
35  Seoni, Human Sorcerer
36  Shalelu Andosana
37  Viorian Dekanti
38  Dire Bear
39  Stone Giant
40  Stone Giant Champion
41  Vraxeris
42  Lamia
43  Wendigo
44  Yeti
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45  Aldern Foxglove
46  Jaagrath Kreeg
47  Lucrecia
48  The Scribbler
49  The Skinsaw Man
50  Highlady Athroxis
51  The Mithral Mage
52  Runelord Karzoug
53  Stone Golem
54  Azaven
55  Lamatar Bayden
56  Mokmurian
57  Forgefiend
58  Nualia
59  Warchief Ripnugget
60  Young Red Dragon
61  Karzoug Statue
62  Lamia Harridan
63  Storm Giant
64  Treachery Demon
65  Rune Giant

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Andoran

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:
60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

I would prefer this, but in the Future I would like a larger number of huge minis.

Huge Minis is what is making this set so expensive, and having only 4 of them in this set just does not meet my expectation on the pricing.

6 would be a better number since there are 6 in Huge Case.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber

I very much prefer the sets of 60. The configurations of boosters doesn't mean anything to me, but I'd rather get 60 new minis every six months than 40 new minis.

Actually, this is a set of 64, but I'm presuming the huge minis are something of a special case?


I much prefer the single figure packaging...but keep in mind that I am not a completist so I may not be your target demographic. Each week I add a single $2.99 figure or two on top of my weekly purchases from my FLGS. I am much less likely to do that with a $15.99 booster.

Andoran

The question re # of minis is hanging a bit out in the wind Vic. I'll respond with my concerns and let you interpret as best you can.

if the next set of minis is intended to support an AP? Then I would prefer 60 figures as the higher number suggests to me a more robust level of cross-support.

If the next set is not specifically intended to support any AP, then I'm more flexible in terms of the size of the set. I won't say I would PREFER a 40 figure set, but I'm certainly not opposed to it.

The more figures selected for a mini set are intended to compliment an AP -- be that one already released Or one intended to be released in the future, the bigger I want it to be. The more "complete" and robust the product cross-support for Adventure Paths is? The better. That is my weather gage.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

Andoran

HangarFlying wrote:
Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

If there is, I hope it is online only. I hate having to pay for stuff I am going to throw away.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Dragnmoon wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

I would prefer this, but in the Future I would like a larger number of huge minis.

Huge Minis is what is making this set so expensive, and having only 4 of them in this set just does not meet my expectation on the pricing.

6 would be a better number since there are 6 in Huge Case.

That's not going to happen, either—at least, not without reducing quality. WizKids actually sculpted six Huges that could have gone into this set, but for cost reasons, they have to run higher numbers on half of them to make the costs work out, so we had to drop to four. Think about that for a second: the cost benefit that comes from adjusting rarity in that way actually outweighs the cost of sculpting two Huge figures and then not using them. (Though we do hope that the two unused sculpts will turn up in future releases...)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Steel_Wind wrote:
HangarFlying wrote:
Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

If there is, I hope it is online only. I hate having to pay for stuff I am going to throw away.

As with Heroes & Monsters, near the release date, we'll add a full set list to the product page.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:
Steel_Wind wrote:
HangarFlying wrote:
Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

If there is, I hope it is online only. I hate having to pay for stuff I am going to throw away.

As with Heroes & Monsters, near the release date, we'll add a full set list to the product page.

Awesome! Thanks, Vic!


Hey Vic is there anything I can do to promote these minis locally? I will be buying 3 cases and 3 rune Giants as per my subscription.

Edit: Also have you thought about doing a set poster like they used to do with DDM. Basically showing every mini in the set. I'd buy one and take it to my FLGS if you did.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

The Minis Maniac wrote:

Hey Vic is there anything I can do to promote these minis locally? I will be buying 3 cases and 3 rune Giants as per my subscription.

Edit: Also have you thought about doing a set poster like they used to do with DDM. Basically showing every mini in the set. I'd buy one and take it to my FLGS if you did.

These minis are manufactured by WizKids, not Paizo, so they get to decide how to promote it... and to be honest, I don't have a lot of visibility into that. I'll point Erik at your post, though.


Vic Wertz wrote:
The Minis Maniac wrote:

Hey Vic is there anything I can do to promote these minis locally? I will be buying 3 cases and 3 rune Giants as per my subscription.

Edit: Also have you thought about doing a set poster like they used to do with DDM. Basically showing every mini in the set. I'd buy one and take it to my FLGS if you did.

These minis are manufactured by WizKids, not Paizo, so they get to decide how to promote it... and to be honest, I don't have a lot of visibility into that. I'll point Erik at your post, though.

Well you are more than welcome to contact me. If I can do anything to help support this venture I will. You have my permission to use my email and phone contact info which you should have on file. Where I am off work for the next few months it shouldn't be a problem on my end to do a bit of promoting.


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Vic Wertz wrote:

But go ahead and tell us which you'd prefer for future sets:

• 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in single-figure boosters like Heroes & Monsters
or
• 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

(To be clear, 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters is not an option.)

I love more miniatures. But I need to be practical too. So while I dearly want sets of 60 in multi-figure boosters, with this as the price point, I'd go with the 40 figure sets. I can save up and find a way to drop the money on a case, get my complete set and have an epic night of opening. :)

Andoran

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:
That's not going to happen, either—at least, not without reducing quality. WizKids actually sculpted six Huges that could have gone into this set, but for cost reasons, they have to run higher numbers on half of them to make the costs work out, so we had to drop to four. Think about that for a second: the cost benefit that comes from adjusting rarity in that way actually outweighs the cost of sculpting two Huge figures and then not using them. (Though we do hope that the two unused sculpts will turn up in future releases...)

So I guess that means that it would be more expensive if the Huge Booster case was just 4 minis instead of 6?...

Also curious on how the distribution of the extra 2 minis will be. Would suck hard if some are more likely to be the extra then others..*though based on not really following what they advertise as Common/uncommon/rare most likely that will be the case*

Cheliax

Lotta sticker shock, have to say $200 for a box of miniatures every 6 months is much more palatable than $500. For those huge figures, they'd have to be really spanking quality too at the price they're going for (the Huge dragon from the first set was amazing though I'll concede that point!)

I'm purchasing don't get me wrong, but I know it'd be a difficult decision if the sets were at this price going forward. I have to admit that Rune Giant has me salivating ;p


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Modules Subscriber

Without a question, I'd want to see 30-40 mold sets in the future.

Packaging doesn't matter to me... the cardboard can be recycled as can the plastic trays. The overall volume of "waste" material is actually minor. By definition purchasing these is harmful to the environment. If I can get over that, I can get over a few more boxes.

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I removed post and a reply to it. Don't be a jerk.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:
Dragnmoon wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

I would prefer this, but in the Future I would like a larger number of huge minis.

Huge Minis is what is making this set so expensive, and having only 4 of them in this set just does not meet my expectation on the pricing.

6 would be a better number since there are 6 in Huge Case.

That's not going to happen, either—at least, not without reducing quality. WizKids actually sculpted six Huges that could have gone into this set, but for cost reasons, they have to run higher numbers on half of them to make the costs work out, so we had to drop to four. Think about that for a second: the cost benefit that comes from adjusting rarity in that way actually outweighs the cost of sculpting two Huge figures and then not using them. (Though we do hope that the two unused sculpts will turn up in future releases...)

Vic, does this mean that there is a fixed ratio of the huge minis in the case (2 of the figures will be doubled up, the same figures each time)? If so, any chance you could let us know which ones will be doubled up?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Dragnmoon wrote:
So I guess that means that it would be more expensive if the Huge Booster case was just 4 minis instead of 6?...

Yes—the price for a Huge would be higher if the case count were at 4.

Dragnmoon wrote:
Also curious on how the distribution of the extra 2 minis will be.

There will be two common Huges—you'll get two of those per case—and two less common Huges—you'll get one each of those. (I don't know if WizKids will call the latter "uncommon" or "rare".) I'm sure once Erik has revealed all of the Huges, we can tell you which is which, but rest assured that the common ones are ones that most folks are more likely to want more than one of.


Damn 500+ for the set is pretty steep, I use to get two to 3 cases of the DDM mini's when they came out and paid less than 400.00

I bought two cases of the first pathfinder set, but will likely only get one of this one.

the price does make me wonder if these are made by Whiz Kids or Games Workshop?

I also find it hard to believe that the huge figs can sustain a price of 25.00 a smack - A Dragon or Demon Sure (maybe even a Giant) but most of any other type of mini won't hold that price on the secondary market which is where most people will eventually go to get theirs.

gotta say very disappointed with the price structure - lets do a little math - lets assume that the goal for Whiz Kids is to release 2 sets of mini's a year so as the current price stucture stands some one would have to put away about 90.00 a month every month for a year just to get one set. Now even though the aggergate quality of the minitures were raised from DDM standards, you still have to think that out of a set of 60 at least 18 will be junk (I.e - frogs, snakes, animals, poor character figs and so on)

so 90.00 bucks a month + whatever you are going to spend on books, adventure paths and so on. I don't make a bad living but I think a better goal would be 250-300.00 a complete set.

oh... and while I am up on the soapbox, two more things

first - for the love of god stop doing character type figs in your sets! most people are going to buy a metal fig for their character, I understand some won't so just release a small line of character figs as a pack of 5 for 20.00 a few times a year.

keep the sets for monsters

finally - I would pay real money for channel energy area of effect template similar to the steele sqwire ones you sale - I know I am not alone on this.

thanks

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For me, I would rather have 2 60 figure sets a year than 2 40 figure sets. But I would much rather have 3 40 figure sets per year than 2 60 figure sets.

Also, keep plenty of human/demi-human PC/NPC figures in the sets. I'm not doing metal and never will.


Vic Wertz wrote:

Some of you have mentioned that they'd like to see future sets back down to the 30-40 sculpt range. Here's the issue: WizKids tells us that they way minis are bundled is directly tied to the number of sculpts in a set. So, they can do 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in single-figure boosters (like Heroes & Monsters), or they can do 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this. We persuaded them to use the first two sets to try both types out, and at this point, I think sales will likely dictate which format we'll prefer for future sets.

But go ahead and tell us which you'd prefer for future sets:

• 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in single-figure boosters like Heroes & Monsters
or
• 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

(To be clear, 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters is not an option.)

I prefer the price of the single figure per booster. When I visit my FGLS on game night, it provides me with something inexpensive to purchase.

Lantern Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Midnight-Gamer wrote:


I prefer the price of the single figure per booster. When I visit my FGLS on game night, it provides me with something inexpensive to purchase.

This. I bought a case of H&M, but every time we go to the FLGS for PFS, I let my boys buy one each. Won't do that with the more expensive boosters.


I am a 2 case kinda guy and with the price point going up as much as it did I am going to have to shrink my order to a single case.

I would prefer the 30-40 figs at the lower price point just so that I can amass a decent number of the figs.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber

Ignoring subscriber discounts, shipping efficiencies and premiums for the moment (although the last is a definite disadvantage of the 60+ figure sets):

This more expensive set costs $400 for 128 large/medium/small figures or $520 to include the extra six huge minis. ($3.13 per mini or $3.88 per mini, respectively).

Two Heroes and Monsters sets costs $550 for around 165 large/medium/small figures ($3.33 per mini).

If one H&M case is your limit, you're looking at $275 for 82 large/medium/small figures ($3.33 per mini) versus $262 for 72 large/medium/small(via 2 bricks and 2 standard boosters) ($3.64 per mini).

The huge minis throws comparisons off somewhat and it would/will be interesting to see a more 'normal' 60 figure set (and to hear whether a 40 figure set pretty much precludes non-premium huges).

The main reason I prefer the 60 figure set is the number of repeats. The chosen figures allocated to each of commons/uncommons/rares was very well done (although undercut by the apparent necessity of ignoring those distinctions "around the edges") - nonetheless, there are inevitably going to be some cases where it doesnt really pan out (how many ettins does one really need?). It seems to me that the fact the case-price has jumped can be mitigated somewhat via paying in advance (at least for those who can bear the cost but not having to meet it all-in-one-go).

My suggestion would be, if producing more sets of this structure, ensure the premium is (as in this case) really desirable. Presumably, the aftermarket is going to be much more competitive for these than the black dragons due to fewer cases being ordered, the paucity of gargantuan humanoids and the iconic nature of the figure. I think if it were "just" another dragon, I would find it much easier to reduce my subscriptions further.


Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
HangarFlying wrote:
Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

In the event that an official checklist is not made, I will produce another one similar to what I did with Heroes & Monsters:

Heroes & Monsters Gallery

At the top of the page there a link for the checklist.


Joe Wells wrote:
Also, keep plenty of human/demi-human PC/NPC figures in the sets. I'm not doing metal and never will.

This. I'm still using lesser quality D&D minis to represent my PCs.


Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Modules, Tales Subscriber

I'll throw my vote in at 40 mini sets over 60 mini sets for a couple reasons:

1: Price. It's easier for my gaming group to throw in $50 each for a set than $100 each.

2: Impulse buys at the FLGS. I know there were a lot of minis sold as impulse buys. $15 isn't an impulse buy, it's a planned purchase.

There's my thoughts. I'll ask at the gaming table this weekend and post that too (my players don't really get on the forums much).

-Aaron


Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
HangarFlying wrote:
Will there be a "checklist" available to keep track of what minis we have versus what we still need to get to have a complete set?

In the event that an official checklist is not made, I will produce another one similar to what I did with Heroes & Monsters:

Heroes & Monsters Gallery

At the top of the page there a link for the checklist.

And I used this checklist, nice job!

Kor, the only request I have is could you make the boxes a little bigger, so a number can be put in the box. I know it’s technically a ‘checklist’, but myself, and I am sure others, actually use it to catalog what minis we have. And having a little more room to write a number in the box would be great.


Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Great post, Steve. I think a lot of people forget (or don't realize) that the RotRL set (with both booster and Huge packs) are actually cheaper per mini than H&M, they just get price shock from seeing the overall case costs. I think we need to remember that you get 4 minis per booster pack with the standard boosters, not one, like in H&M.

Count me as one who is in favor of having 60 minis per set, very much for the same reasons Steve had indicated. I don't have any issues with 40 mini sets, but would like to see them more the exception than the standard.

Sczarni RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

I think a lot of the discussion about set size and price points comes down to the fact that there are a few different kinds of people who buy these sorts of products.

Here are some styles I can think of off the top of my head:

  • Type A will try to have at least one of everything. They will buy an entire case (or even multiple cases) in order to make sure they get *all* the minis.
  • Type B will buy some minis, but not a whole case. They may buy one or two bricks, or several individual packs. They like the minis, but not enough to spend hundreds of dollars on a whole case of them.
  • Type C will buy a few minis as impulse purchases, but are not really concerned with having a complete set.
  • Type D are after specific minis, and will only buy singles on the secondary market.

Obviously, the Type A people are the ones who would be most impacted by having more expensive cases, even if they do have more figures. It's simply more expensive to purchase more minis in order to have a complete set. A lot of the people on this thread obviously belong to this group.

Type B people might benefit from the increased variety a larger set offers. They will not really be affected by the size of the set or the price of the case, since they are not buying them in those quantities. They will, however, be affected by the price of the individual packs.

Type C probably would not buy as many minis sold in multi-packs as they would individual figures. However, they might end up buying a couple packs, and it might be more likely that a larger set of minis would end up on a Christmas or birthday list.

Type D would probably benefit from the larger selection of minis produced by a larger set, but the case pricing is basically immaterial to them.


Agreed on all counts Tamago...I was considering typing up something similar this morning but I'm glad to see that you did most of the heavy lifting for me!

The Type A folks are indeed the ones most impacted by the more expensive price point...and oddly enough are also the people who would purchase their case(s) of product regardless of the price tag.

I can see the Type B & C folks buying less sealed product for the larger sets, but they may join the Type D folks in the secondary market searching for specific figures.

Sort of lurking in the background of this discussion is the profit both companies earn from either distribution method and which one provides the best balance of company profit and customer satisfaction.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Itchy wrote:

I'll throw my vote in at 40 mini sets over 60 mini sets for a couple reasons:

1: Price. It's easier for my gaming group to throw in $50 each for a set than $100 each.

2: Impulse buys at the FLGS. I know there were a lot of minis sold as impulse buys. $15 isn't an impulse buy, it's a planned purchase.

There's my thoughts. I'll ask at the gaming table this weekend and post that too (my players don't really get on the forums much).

-Aaron

the multi-figure packs make stores opening packs more justified. as a retailer, if I figure opening 1/2 a case for singles sales, for single figure packs, if I get a bunch of $2-$3 figures, I'm grumbling, but with a $15, I'm more likely to get one of the 4 minis valued high enough to make the pack worthwhile. It also takes less time to open the 4 figure packs, so I wouldn't have to pay employees as long to get the same amount of figures for my display case, so I can sell at a smaller markup.

Cheliax

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Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Just a quick question - For Heroes & Monsters you set a Case list price of less than what 64 standard and 12 large boosters would cost individually. This meant that those of us who had Pathfinder Advantage would then take another 15% off the price. For this, you've listed it as the price of buying 32 boosters, then put it at a discounted price for the case, which means that Pathfinder Advantage can't then be applied.

I was just wondering why it was chosen to do the pricing this way round?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I think that the price point is about right on target for both the single booster and multi boosters.

People talk about impulse buys and such and not being able to do as much as they normally would with the single booster. What people do NOT realize is that even if you buy one a month for this one and previously you purchased a single booster once a week you are getting about the same amount of minis with the multi booster price point then you were previously with the single booster.

I think that the sticker shock is what people are complaining about here and not realizing that the cost is almost equal on both sets. In fact this one is seemingly a little bit cheaper.

Andoran

Heroes & Battles is the only miniature set I ever bought a case of. It is the only miniatures set I have the full set. I will pick up occasional boxes of Rise of the Runelords and buy singles that interest me, but I doubt I will spend as much on the RotRL set as I spent on Heroes & Battles.


Deanoth wrote:
People talk about impulse buys and such and not being able to do as much as they normally would with the single booster. What people do NOT realize is that even if you buy one a month for this one and previously you purchased a single booster once a week you are getting about the same amount of minis with the multi booster price point then you were previously with the single booster.

You are 100% correct; however by the very definition of "impulse" is that there is very little thought involved. If I'm standing at the register and my total comes to $17, I'll grab a $3 to make it an "even $20." If I'm standing at the register and my purchase comes to $34, I'm not likely to purchase a $16 booster to make it "an even $50."

Of course whether or not the lack of impulse purchases will decrease the lack of total sales is something for the market researchers to figure out; but I anticipate that Paizo will sell just as many cases in this format as they did with Heroes & Monsters; but point of purchase sales at the average FLGS will decrease.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Deane Beman wrote:
Deanoth wrote:
People talk about impulse buys and such and not being able to do as much as they normally would with the single booster. What people do NOT realize is that even if you buy one a month for this one and previously you purchased a single booster once a week you are getting about the same amount of minis with the multi booster price point then you were previously with the single booster.

You are 100% correct; however by the very definition of "impulse" is that there is very little thought involved. If I'm standing at the register and my total comes to $17, I'll grab a $3 to make it an "even $20." If I'm standing at the register and my purchase comes to $34, I'm not likely to purchase a $16 booster to make it "an even $50."

Of course whether or not the lack of impulse purchases will decrease the lack of total sales is something for the market researchers to figure out; but I anticipate that Paizo will sell just as many cases in this format as they did with Heroes & Monsters; but point of purchase sales at the average FLGS will decrease.

I agree they will probably sell less boosters then they did with the last set of H&M, but the price point of the RotRL set boosters will make up for that and they will probably make as much if not more with this set.

With the impulse buys I agree it is nice to be able to grab one for 4 bucks and go with it, but on the same token I would buy a 25 dollar purchase for minis every week instead of buying 5-6 of the singles for H&M that I do now a week. This is not a difficult decision for me. I will buy a case and purchase the single boosters once a week to fill in the blanks and amass some extras like the goblins and such to trade and get what I want multiples of :)

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

I know the sticker shock is high, but I personally love that this set got made in such a full way. I plan on running the Rise of the Runelords Anniversary edition in August and I want to do it with full miniature support.

In the future I am fine with either business model, but I am glad the larger model was used on Rise of the Runelords.

Andoran

Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber

I am confused about the pricing here...

What is the Discount you have already added to the Cases?

It seems you are doing the pricing different for this one then the last set by adding it as a discounted price instead of making it your normal price we don't get our Pathfinder Advantage Discount...

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Dragnmoon wrote:

I am confused about the pricing here...

What is the Discount you have already added to the Cases?

It seems you are doing the pricing different for this one then the last set by adding it as a discounted price instead of making it your normal price we don't get our Pathfinder Advantage Discount...

The discount already applied to the price of a Case is more than the discount you would receive for the Pathfinder Advantage.

Paizo's Discounted Price because they are nice: $519.98
Paithfinder Advantage Discount Price if Paizo wasn't nice: $562.38

EDIT: Stupid spelling.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Deane Beman wrote:
Sort of lurking in the background of this discussion is the profit both companies earn from either distribution method and which one provides the best balance of company profit and customer satisfaction.

I can't speak definitive on this point as far as WizKids goes, but I suspect that they've planned similar margins for themselves either way. And Paizo gets a fixed percentage-based royalty. So the answer to which makes more profit for us will be "which one sells more in total dollar value."

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Enlight_Bystand wrote:

Just a quick question - For Heroes & Monsters you set a Case list price of less than what 64 standard and 12 large boosters would cost individually. This meant that those of us who had Pathfinder Advantage would then take another 15% off the price. For this, you've listed it as the price of buying 32 boosters, then put it at a discounted price for the case, which means that Pathfinder Advantage can't then be applied.

I was just wondering why it was chosen to do the pricing this way round?

Warning: this answer will likely be far more complex than you expected.

In our industry, manufacturers can sell to distributors using either of two pricing methods: list price or net price.

In a list price sale, the publisher sets the list price on an item, and then sells it to the distributor at a certain discount from that list price—usually, about 60% off. The distributor then sells it to the retailer at a different discount from that list price—usually, about 40% off. So the publisher gets about 40% of list, the distributor gets about 20% of list, and the retailer gets about 40% of list (and if the retailer wants to sell it for less, they just make less).

In a net price sale, the publisher doesn't set a list price at all. They set a distribution price, and the distributor marks it up however much they want, and the retailer marks it up however much *they* want.

As a publisher, Paizo only ever uses list price sales, but WizKids uses list price for some item types and net price for others. They used net pricing on Heroes & Monsters, and they're using list pricing for Rise of the Runelords.

Our Pathfinder Advantage discount gives Pathfinder AP subscribers 15% off list price of most of the items in our store, but if there *is* no list price, it instead takes 15% off of "our price," which we normally determine based on a theoretical list price calculated by marking up net priced items *as if* our distributor were selling it to us at the usual 40-ish% off.

In the case of Pathfinder Battles, though, we're *also* applying a volume discount, which I think is something like 10% savings if you buy a brick and 20% savings if you buy a case. Because Rise of the Runelords has list prices, that works out exactly as it's supposed to—you get the better of our volume discount *or* the Pathfinder Advantage discount. (Remember that we say up front that the Pathfinder Advantage doesn't stack with other discounts.)

Because Heroes & Monsters was net priced, though, that means the volume discount actually lowered "Our Price" (something that doesn't happen for any other net-priced item in the store), and then AP subscribers got the Pathfinder Advantage discount from that already reduced price. That's an unintentional stacking effect, and should WizKids release another net-priced Battles item, we'll need to figure out how to avoid that, because the Pathfinder Advantage really isn't supposed to let you double-dip on discounts.


Vic Wertz wrote:

But go ahead and tell us which you'd prefer for future sets:

• 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in single-figure boosters like Heroes & Monsters
or
• 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

(To be clear, 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters is not an option.)

Brick subscriptions (with premium mini) for 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters.


Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:

But go ahead and tell us which you'd prefer for future sets:

• 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in single-figure boosters like Heroes & Monsters
or
• 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters like this

(To be clear, 30-to-40-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters is not an option.)

Can you say whether this choice would affect the number of sets per year?

Although I prefer 60 figure sets, that's due to wanting to get more individual sculpts. If it's a choice between 2 60 figure sets a year versus 3 40 figure sets per year, whichever way you go is irrelevant to me.

Also, has there been any discussion you can share about how this would affect the inclusion of huge figures?

The price of the huge figures was a surprise to me and I wonder whether restricting the set sizes to 40 would mean that huge figures become uneconomical and/or impractical to include. That would make a significant difference to me - I dont want heaps of huge figures, but I want more than just the occasional premium.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Uninvited Ghost wrote:
Brick subscriptions (with premium mini) for 60-figure sets packaged in multi-figure boosters.

WizKids ties premiums to cases, not bricks; we won't be offering brick subs because we don't have much capacity to add subscriber value there.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Steve Geddes wrote:
Can you say whether this choice would affect the number of sets per year?

I don't know the answer to that.

Steve Geddes wrote:
Also, has there been any discussion you can share about how this would affect the inclusion of huge figures?

Assume that it doesn't affect the Huges.

Osirion

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Cards, Maps Subscriber
Joe Wells wrote:

For me, I would rather have 2 60 figure sets a year than 2 40 figure sets. But I would much rather have 3 40 figure sets per year than 2 60 figure sets.

Also, keep plenty of human/demi-human PC/NPC figures in the sets. I'm not doing metal and never will.

I agree I do not do metal and never will.

Osirion

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Cards, Maps Subscriber

And I am happy with 60 figure sets.

Silver Crusade

Anguish wrote:

Without a question, I'd want to see 30-40 mold sets in the future.

Packaging doesn't matter to me... the cardboard can be recycled as can the plastic trays. The overall volume of "waste" material is actually minor. By definition purchasing these is harmful to the environment. If I can get over that, I can get over a few more boxes.

Recycling is not as easy in all areas, the point why produce such a large amount of "waste" in the first place. Reduce-recycle-reuse. Most plastic reuse requires a lot of energy.

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