Pathfinder Battles—Rise of the Runelords: Rune Giant

Looks really cool, Kris!

Anyone want to repaint mine?

I really like how that turned out Kris. Well done.

Anyone want to repaint mine?

The entire thing?? Or just the pant leggings?

No no, just the pants. I like the way Kris did it up.

This is utterly ridiculous. I can't believe how bad this looks, and how anyone couldn't have thought... oh my ... this doesn't look like pants!

Putting this on the gaming table gives you laughs instead of the awe that it should rightfully get as a Gargantuan mini. I'm sorry. The first thing the players do is pick up the mini to see what it "says it is" and they see the anatomy and caucasian flesh tone... lolz all around. It's depressing :(

You guys are starting to get better sculpts and the paint jobs are solid, if a bit too bright, compared to DDM, but seriously this was a mistake and some of the types of plastic you are using are making your figures way less durable.

Honestly... I can't tell you how many "unstuck feet" I have on multiple pathfinder minis so far... that never happened with DDM, even if we did get a few "floppy bases" from time to time..

Getting there, but not quite good enough yet. IMO.

I've bought a complete case deal of both the Heroes & Monsters and the Rise of the Runelords set, and they both made the trip overseas to Europe. They both came with only one mini off their base (Seelah in H&M and a forgefiend in RotRL), so unstuck feet haven't really been a big problem for me. I also like the bright colors, as I feel some of the DDM miniatures are sometimes a bit too dark colored.

The H&M set also used a much harder, more brittle plastic, whereas the plastic of the RotRL set is a bit more maleable. Frankly, I much prefer the way these are manufactured, since it means their bases always sit perfectly. The floppy bases you mentioned I found quite annoying at times, it made them look really cheap.

The fleshy tone of the pants stood out to me as well. I assumed I had gotten a defective paint job, until I saw that they're all the same, and also match the art depicted in the bestiary and the Rise of the Runelord volumes.

So I slapped some paint on mine: Rune Giant repaint

The color I used is GW's Scorched Brown, which nearly matches the brown tones in their boots and kneepads perfectly.

Sorry, but now he looks like he is wearing pants that are made from the skin of Black humans instead of skin from Caucasian humans.

Sorry, but now he looks like he is wearing pants that are made from the skin of Black humans instead of skin from Caucasian humans.

Hum, I don't see it that way. It does make me curious, what color would you like to see on the figure?

Just like I don't see a problem with the original color of the pants. Someone else opened the can of worms, I am merely expanding on their infantile logic. Now, instead of being a naked white guy from the waist down, the guy painted his rune giant to be a naked black guy from the waist down.

EDIT: the fact that the Rune Giant has blue (or blue/gray) colored skin has gone completely over their heads.

Just like I don't see a problem with the original color of the pants.

Ah sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were saying you disliked the original and this repaint.

This is utterly ridiculous. I can't believe how bad this looks, and how anyone couldn't have thought... oh my ... this doesn't look like pants!

Putting this on the gaming table gives you laughs instead of the awe that it should rightfully get as a Gargantuan mini. I'm sorry. The first thing the players do is pick up the mini to see what it "says it is" and they see the anatomy and caucasian flesh tone... lolz all around. It's depressing :(

You guys are starting to get better sculpts and the paint jobs are solid, if a bit too bright, compared to DDM, but seriously this was a mistake and some of the types of plastic you are using are making your figures way less durable.

Honestly... I can't tell you how many "unstuck feet" I have on multiple pathfinder minis so far... that never happened with DDM, even if we did get a few "floppy bases" from time to time..

Getting there, but not quite good enough yet. IMO.

The plastic for the Pathfinder minis is much much much better then the DDM minis. I would rather deal with the occasional removal from base then have to deal with warped bases all the time like I did with the DDM minis and trust me with the medium minis it was about 50% that were warped with the Larger and huge ones it was almost 90% of the minis that had warped bases. So it was far from occasional.

The Pathfinder Minis do come off of their bases once in a while because they are made separately to prevent the warping of the bases which was a HUGE complaint by collectors of the DDM minis. It still is to this day too. A little dab to put the Pathfinder minis back on to their bases is not that difficult. It is MORE difficult to try and fix a warped base.

As far as the flesh tone pants of the Rune Giant. It is not that big a deal. Truly it is not. If you do not like it, it is an easy fix. Take some paint that you think might look good. Thin it out to almost a watery consistency and then paint them. wait till dry. If not dark enough paint them again, wait till dry and repeat if you do not like them yet. Personally I would have been more concerned had they been the same color flesh as the skin tone of the Rune Giant. Then I might have been laughing.. but this is not. It is hard to mistake them for any thing other then the pants they are meant to be.
But seriously if you are that concerned.. just do a wash over them as I described above. It really IS that easy :)

But seriously if you are that concerned.. just do a wash over them as I described above. It really IS that easy :)

Um....we ARE. The real problem is people calling us infantile for bringing it up.

I'm not calling you infantile. I'm saying your argument is infantile. There is a difference.

It was still unnecessary to your point. There is no argument here, only viewpoints.

EDIT: the fact that the Rune Giant has blue (or blue/gray) colored skin has gone completely over their heads.

We're aware of the correlation between the color of their skin and the pants color, and of the fact that they DO have pants, and they're not naked from the waist down.

That doesn't change the fact that a lot of people's initial reaction at first glance seems to be something along the lines of "What the f, is he nekkid?", and we all know first impressions can skew people's perception thereafter, and I think the paint job I did sufficiently changes that initial impression.

Will I ever be able to purchase just this?

Will I ever be able to purchase just this?

Does now work?

Is this sill available? if not, are you going to produce more?

We aren't going to release more. What we have is what we got, and yes, it's still available.

I dn't see how he can appear naked form the waist down. His skin is a dark grey colour, his pants are not. Never even occured to me that he could be naked form the waist down.

Speaking as the guy who did the paintmaster for this mini, I'm sorry if you think that his pants look too "flesh tone." For the most part I was trying to match wherever possible Wayne Reynolds's fantastic source material. The original pants featured that base color with a diamond pattern in redish brown. I knew we would not have the deco-ops to recreate the pattern, so I went with the simplified base instead. I also thought the lighter tones would work well with his dark ash skin and would make the red of his hair pop a little more.

Just a bit of explanation why I made the choices I did. Carry on.

Thanks Stephen.

I dn't see how he can appear naked form the waist down.

Look at him from ONLY the waist down.

Thanks Stephen.

Cat-thulhu wrote:

I dn't see how he can appear naked form the waist down.

Look at him from ONLY the waist down.

Kilt-peeker!

I love a man in a dress.

Speaking as the guy who did the paintmaster for this mini, I'm sorry if you think that his pants look too "flesh tone." For the most part I was trying to match wherever possible Wayne Reynolds's fantastic source material. The original pants featured that base color with a diamond pattern in redish brown. I knew we would not have the deco-ops to recreate the pattern, so I went with the simplified base instead. I also thought the lighter tones would work well with his dark ash skin and would make the red of his hair pop a little more.

Did you get one back from China or wherever they're painted? I'm reasonably sure the color they used is not the same color that you painted. It's not the same color as the source painting, which I'm looking at now. It's also not the same color that's depicted in the product photograph. Both of those are a sort of dingy linen color. The figure is not.

Did you get one back from China or wherever they're painted? I'm reasonably sure the color they used is not the same color that you painted. It's not the same color as the source painting, which I'm looking at now. It's also not the same color that's depicted in the product photograph. Both of those are a sort of dingy linen color. The figure is not.

I do have one from China, it sits at my desk next to m computer. And yes, there are some slight color shifts from my original, there always are. I've done paintmasters for D&D miniatures, Star Wars Miniatures, and Pathfinder Battle Miniatures. Sometimes minis come back almost exactly as I painted them (often much to my surprise, in the case of the Rage Drake from the D&D Minis Desert of Desolation set) sometimes not so much. The Pathfinder Battle miniatures I've done have come back pretty darn close, and while there is some shift on the pants, it's not dramatic.

so is this for kids to play or no?

so is this for kids to play or no?

It has pants! I swear. It's fine for kids!

Just not for dirty old men. :)

Thanks Stephen.

Cat-thulhu wrote:

I dn't see how he can appear naked form the waist down.

Look at him from ONLY the waist down.

That would be like saying look at him from only the waist up then. Just because he has human flesh tone pants does not mean he looks naked in my book at all. I look at it like this. He HAS dark skin. So if someone mistakes or thinks it is actually naked underneath then explain that is it made from human flesh.

The figure needs to be looked at as a whole.. not partially.

And when you pick him up and your hand obscures the upper half, you don't see how the image can spring to mind?

We KNOW he's not naked. You can stop harping on that. When you see a guy running around in a flesh-toned body suit your mind still registers it regardless of what it knows.

Speaking as the guy who did the paintmaster for this mini, I'm sorry if you think that his pants look too "flesh tone." For the most part I was trying to match wherever possible Wayne Reynolds's fantastic source material. The original pants featured that base color with a diamond pattern in redish brown. I knew we would not have the deco-ops to recreate the pattern, so I went with the simplified base instead. I also thought the lighter tones would work well with his dark ash skin and would make the red of his hair pop a little more.

Just a bit of explanation why I made the choices I did. Carry on.

No need to apologize, Stephen; for every post in this thread that says "pants the colour of Caucasian flesh was a strange choice" there is a post that says "you're an immature perv."

Since I opened this can of worms by saying I love everything but the colour of the pants, I'll just elaborate without conjecture that, even though I cognitively understand he is wearing pants, the colour of the pants fools my perception into reading it as bare legs. Where you thought the lighter colour would make the red hair pop, it is that light colour that pops to me. It is so much brighter than anything else on the miniature, and on a large, smooth surface.

Again, I love everything about this miniature but the colour of the pants for the reasons stated. I'm sorry my logic is infantile. No offense was intended to Scotts, Rune Giants, or people who find no room for jokes about either in their miniatures.

Then stop arguing with me about it.

While you - and everyone else - are entitle to have ownership of their opinions and it's a nice freedom that you're permitted to express them, why do you object to people trying to convince you that one of yours is... without basis?

This is a gorgeous mini (though really at this size the word mini shouldn't really apply) and while I'm a generally pervy kind of guy, I fail to find anything untoward about its paint job. The suggestion that a blue/grey-skinned creature wearing tan pants looks nude is trying to find something objectionable where there clearly isn't any such.

To view colour tones that are sometimes fleshy as even possibly being flesh when on out-of-place seems... very odd to me and I think that the assertion that this mini in any way appears nude or inappropriately-dressed does the model and Paizo great disservice.

This giant is nude in exactly the same sense that a tan automobile is clearly made of Caucasian flesh. To ignore that cars are not made of skin is equivalent to ignoring that blue/grey giants are not made of tan flesh.

It would be a shame should even one of these giants not get purchased because someone was afraid that it might evoke unchaste thoughts. It is worse that Paizo may feel they need to avoid colours that - ever - appear to be human skin tones around the nether regions of their artwork because someone might ignore the entire rest of the picture, focus purely on the "junk" and object. I for one don't want to see every mini having to wear bright green undies to prevent this kind of argument.

What's wrong with wearing tight, khaki pants anyway?

-Skeld

Nothing at all, I just like a little leg room in mine.

I've removed some posts. This line of conversation has diminishing merit, and personal attacks on the issue are *thoroughly* pointless. Move along.

Speaking as the guy who did the paintmaster for this mini, I'm sorry if you think that his pants look too "flesh tone." For the most part I was trying to match wherever possible Wayne Reynolds's fantastic source material. The original pants featured that base color with a diamond pattern in redish brown. I knew we would not have the deco-ops to recreate the pattern, so I went with the simplified base instead. I also thought the lighter tones would work well with his dark ash skin and would make the red of his hair pop a little more.

Just a bit of explanation why I made the choices I did. Carry on.

Got mine recently - it looks great! Kudos to you and the design team. Can't wait to scare the bejeezus out my players when this bad boy hits the table next session.

Just ordered this and looking forward to seeing it in person. A good choice for my 100th (!!) order with you guys I think. :D

Now that the giant is available without ordering a whole case I finally got mine.

I read all these posts about how the paint job tricks the eye into making it look like he might have no pants.
Well...it can't be that bad can it? There seems to be just as many people saying it looks fine. So lets see for myself.

I open the box and pull the mini out.....
What the? Are you kidding me? How can anyone with a straight face say it doesnt look like naked thighs? Yes he has grey skin...but it still totally looks like flesh tone legs. When you look at the bottom of the mini to read the figure's name it just looks like naked flesh under that kilt.
If the pants were slightly baggy, anything to make it look like pants. But no its like skin tight spandex pants.

I really wish it werent true. I was hoping I would be more mature and not see what people are seeing. But its unavoidable.

Chance of my players making no-pants comments and making fun of this mini when I place it on the table: Im gonna say 90%.
And for the record...Average age of my players: 35.

I'll show it to them and report back to you all. Hopefully its just me, but I cant imagine so.

How can anyone with a straight face say it doesnt look like naked thighs?

I can. It never crossed my mind until weeks after I got mine and saw all the ZOMG!! in this thread.

-Skeld

Jason Grubiak wrote:

How can anyone with a straight face say it doesnt look like naked thighs?

I can. It never crossed my mind until weeks after I got mine and saw all the ZOMG!! in this thread.

Same here. It didn't even cross my mind until I read the comments here on the forum. But once they put the idea out there, I could see it.