paizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG) Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG) Discussion2021-11-14T02:03:54Z2021-11-14T02:03:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Corwynn Maelstromhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2352016-10-25T00:15:33Z2016-10-24T21:54:14Z<p>There's a lot of concern about the pregens (and honestly, the pregens are their normal mediocre selves) but they CAN acquit themselves well. One MAJOR problem arises when you look at the options they're given at the start. While meant to make people feel like they are customizing their characters, the options are pretty much a trap, with only one being really decent. Also, it's important to realize what the pregens bring to the table, so I'll cover that a bit as well to make GMing this module a bit easier.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>There's a lot of concern about the pregens (and honestly, the pregens are their normal mediocre selves) but they CAN acquit themselves well. One MAJOR problem arises when you look at the options they're given at the start. While meant to make people feel like they are customizing their characters, the options are pretty much a trap, with only one being really decent. Also, it's important to realize what the pregens bring to the table, so I'll cover that a bit as well to make GMing this module...Corwynn Maelstrom2016-10-24T21:54:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)RuyanVehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2342015-10-07T19:14:32Z2015-10-07T19:14:32Z<p>I have similar plans. Hope, it works out for my group.</p>
<p>Ruyan.</p>I have similar plans. Hope, it works out for my group.
Ruyan.RuyanVe2015-10-07T19:14:32ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)jhilahdhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2332015-10-07T18:57:58Z2015-10-07T18:57:58Z<p>I'm running this as a side-quest along side Chapter 2 of the Rise of the Runelords.</p>
<p>Initially, my group assumed it was tied to the Skinsaw murders, and were taken back when it wasn't. I included more rp and researching. Detailing that Kasadei was working a case for Judge Ironbriar and that the PC's should get in contact with her.
<br />
An attempt to throw them off the trail.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>I prefer villains try to live and fight smart as opposed to head on fight til I die or you do mentality. Plus, another reoccurring baddie.... bring it.</p>I'm running this as a side-quest along side Chapter 2 of the Rise of the Runelords.
Initially, my group assumed it was tied to the Skinsaw murders, and were taken back when it wasn't. I included more rp and researching. Detailing that Kasadei was working a case for Judge Ironbriar and that the PC's should get in contact with her.
An attempt to throw them off the trail.
[Spoiler omitted]
I prefer villains try to live and fight smart as opposed to head on fight til I die or you do mentality....jhilahd2015-10-07T18:57:58ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)DM Under The Bridgehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2322015-05-17T15:23:40Z2015-05-17T15:23:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Chernobyl wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Finally got a chance to play this mod last weekend as the last PFS game of a con in sacramento.</p>
<p>OUCH</p>
<p>we fled, nearly had a TPK...can't believe this game was made for a Free RPG Day event. TPKs generally don't encourage players to play your game. </blockquote><p>More TPKs are good for the hobby, to prevent players feeling so entitled to easy wins.Chernobyl wrote:Finally got a chance to play this mod last weekend as the last PFS game of a con in sacramento.
OUCH
we fled, nearly had a TPK...can't believe this game was made for a Free RPG Day event. TPKs generally don't encourage players to play your game.
More TPKs are good for the hobby, to prevent players feeling so entitled to easy wins.DM Under The Bridge2015-05-17T15:23:40ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Tony Cotterillhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2312015-03-20T15:21:07Z2015-03-20T15:21:07Z<p>Hi all. Wondering how this module is supposed to slot into Shattered Star, as it claims, between books 2 and 3? According to the AP the PCs are 8th level at the end of Curse of the Lady's Light and this module is for 5th level characters. Won't it be a bit too easy by then? Do they mean between books 1 and 2?</p>Hi all. Wondering how this module is supposed to slot into Shattered Star, as it claims, between books 2 and 3? According to the AP the PCs are 8th level at the end of Curse of the Lady's Light and this module is for 5th level characters. Won't it be a bit too easy by then? Do they mean between books 1 and 2?Tony Cotterill2015-03-20T15:21:07ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Chernobylhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2302013-11-06T19:29:37Z2013-11-06T19:29:37Z<p>Finally got a chance to play this mod last weekend as the last PFS game of a con in sacramento.</p>
<p>OUCH</p>
<p>we fled, nearly had a TPK...can't believe this game was made for a Free RPG Day event. TPKs generally don't encourage players to play your game.</p>Finally got a chance to play this mod last weekend as the last PFS game of a con in sacramento.
OUCH
we fled, nearly had a TPK...can't believe this game was made for a Free RPG Day event. TPKs generally don't encourage players to play your game.Chernobyl2013-11-06T19:29:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)thelesuithttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2292017-08-08T14:32:35Z2013-07-25T16:35:24Z<p>I'm in the midst of running this for my <i>Rise of the Runelords</i> campaign and players. The campaign premise has the players as members of the Magnimar Watch (the elite investigative division) and we are currently toward the end of Chapter Two (<i>Skinsaw Murders</i>). I expanded the end of the chapter somewhat to add an element of investigation and the murders that start <i>Dawn of the Scarlet Sun</i> fold well into this. It actually made it really easy — Kasadei approached them after murder #2 and I let the party do all the work (all of the work normally done by the Watch the precedes the normal PC engagement).</p>
<p>I did have to do some preparation to come up with more details on the victims — and it wasn't readily apparent that all four were <b>clerics</b> of Saranrae rather than just devout worshippers. Not sure if anyone is interested but I've included that here.</p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Having a copy of <i>Magnimar, City of Monuments</i> has made detailing the murder scenes much easier — but it also lends itself to a lot of red-herrings and tangents (the cops immediately suspected the local Sczarni).</p>
<p>My only issue right now is that the party pretty quickly came to the conclusion both victims were Saranrae worshippers which in turn led them to the Abandoned Shrine well before the script calls for it. So, I'm having to do some adjustments on the fly (the Scarlet Son is going to attack them while they are poking around the graveyard at the Shrine).</p>
<p>I look forward to seeing how the party handles Avalexi — I think she will serve as a good warm-up for when they get to tackle Xanesha at the end of the Chapter.</p>
<p>CJ</p>I'm in the midst of running this for my Rise of the Runelords campaign and players. The campaign premise has the players as members of the Magnimar Watch (the elite investigative division) and we are currently toward the end of Chapter Two (Skinsaw Murders). I expanded the end of the chapter somewhat to add an element of investigation and the murders that start Dawn of the Scarlet Sun fold well into this. It actually made it really easy -- Kasadei approached them after murder #2 and I let the...thelesuit2013-07-25T16:35:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Corneleus Idahohttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2282013-06-23T23:40:52Z2013-06-23T23:40:52Z<p>Avalexi was easily the most difficult challenge that I have ever thrown at a party. It was just as well that they lost (and how) because she has become quite the nefarious reoccurring villain. I have been working her into the story line of the Shattered Star. Shapeshifting, teleporting, and a legendary bluff check have allowed her to infiltrate the party at a very intimate level. She has impersonated npcs from random passers by to other pathfinders all for the purpose of popping out when the party is at their weakest to deliver another paralyzing death attack. It has gotten to the point where the PCs are harboring an obsession with hunting her down.</p>Avalexi was easily the most difficult challenge that I have ever thrown at a party. It was just as well that they lost (and how) because she has become quite the nefarious reoccurring villain. I have been working her into the story line of the Shattered Star. Shapeshifting, teleporting, and a legendary bluff check have allowed her to infiltrate the party at a very intimate level. She has impersonated npcs from random passers by to other pathfinders all for the purpose of popping out when the...Corneleus Idaho2013-06-23T23:40:52ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)AbsolutGrndZer0https://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2272012-12-27T16:07:06Z2012-12-27T16:07:06Z<p>So with all the BAD reviews this is getting based on the BBEG being an impossible fight, it seems I'll have to call up my friend who recently moved to Junction City. Just got to tell him this level 5 module features an impossible fight and I'm sure he'll make the trip to prove it's possible. Heh. He's terrible about making OP characters that I don't even see coming. His ideas always seem so reasonable on paper, then they get in game and... it's aged Limburger!</p>So with all the BAD reviews this is getting based on the BBEG being an impossible fight, it seems I'll have to call up my friend who recently moved to Junction City. Just got to tell him this level 5 module features an impossible fight and I'm sure he'll make the trip to prove it's possible. Heh. He's terrible about making OP characters that I don't even see coming. His ideas always seem so reasonable on paper, then they get in game and... it's aged Limburger!AbsolutGrndZer02012-12-27T16:07:06ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Helamanhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2262012-10-22T18:12:47Z2012-10-22T18:12:47Z<p>I read the rules on Game Day modules and its 1xp, 1 PP - This is a pretty hard core adventure for that. I'll consider running it at a later date.</p>I read the rules on Game Day modules and its 1xp, 1 PP - This is a pretty hard core adventure for that. I'll consider running it at a later date.Helaman2012-10-22T18:12:47ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)jjaammhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2252012-10-22T16:49:04Z2012-10-22T16:49:04Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Helaman wrote:</div><blockquote> Does this NEED to be played with Pre-Gens for PFS play or can it be played as a standard PFS module? </blockquote><p>Can be used with your own characters. just remember that you can use a character within one level of the Mod you are playing.Helaman wrote:Does this NEED to be played with Pre-Gens for PFS play or can it be played as a standard PFS module?
Can be used with your own characters. just remember that you can use a character within one level of the Mod you are playing.jjaamm2012-10-22T16:49:04ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Helamanhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2242012-10-22T15:40:40Z2012-10-22T15:40:40Z<p>Does this NEED to be played with Pre-Gens for PFS play or can it be played as a standard PFS module?</p>Does this NEED to be played with Pre-Gens for PFS play or can it be played as a standard PFS module?Helaman2012-10-22T15:40:40ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)FlorianFhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2232012-10-01T02:53:47Z2012-10-01T02:53:47Z<p>A couple issues. GM only.
<br />
[Spoiler omitted]</p>A couple issues. GM only.
[Spoiler omitted]FlorianF2012-10-01T02:53:47ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)XperimentalDM (alias of Jason Schimmel, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2222012-07-12T22:53:21Z2012-07-12T22:53:21Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Sub-Creator wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Steve Geddes wrote:</div><blockquote><p> That's a bonus, as far as I'm concerned, I hope paizo don't avoid it in the future.</p>
<p>I like modules which utilize paizo products from other lines and appreciate being told when such tie-ins exist. </blockquote><p>Have no problem at all with them wanting to connect their adventures with other lines. You want to make an adventure that ties directly with a minis package, I think that's absolutely fine. I've read through this adventure and looked at the pregens prepped for use in the quest, and I don't find the arguments most have made as legitimate at all. The adventure was difficult surely, but certainly not impossible with the pregens. There were ways to thwart everything the succubus could throw at you, which I think is good adventure writing.
<p>Those little pictures of the minis next to their stat block have got to go though. They're uglier than sin, and they add absolutely nothing to the module. Put the notice at the beginning of the adventure, which I thought was fine, and then leave it alone after that. Definitely hope that the mini portraits were a one-time thing! </blockquote><p>I would assume the portrait thing was a gimmick for new players to make sure they knew which mini corresponded with the stat block. I know it seems obvious to you and me, but a new player (particularly a young one) might need and extra reminder.Sub-Creator wrote:Steve Geddes wrote:That's a bonus, as far as I'm concerned, I hope paizo don't avoid it in the future.
I like modules which utilize paizo products from other lines and appreciate being told when such tie-ins exist.
Have no problem at all with them wanting to connect their adventures with other lines. You want to make an adventure that ties directly with a minis package, I think that's absolutely fine. I've read through this adventure and looked at the pregens prepped for...XperimentalDM (alias of Jason Schimmel, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16)2012-07-12T22:53:21ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)ThreeEyedSlothhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2212012-06-30T06:53:02Z2012-06-30T06:53:02Z<p>Challenge can definitely be a great thing. But the final encounter can easily stretch on for two hours. At that point, it just becomes a slog and when half of your table can't even properly contribute, people quickly lose interest.</p>
<p>It's a difficult balance. The rest of the module is great, it's just the final encounter that is a bit of a sour note.</p>Challenge can definitely be a great thing. But the final encounter can easily stretch on for two hours. At that point, it just becomes a slog and when half of your table can't even properly contribute, people quickly lose interest.
It's a difficult balance. The rest of the module is great, it's just the final encounter that is a bit of a sour note.ThreeEyedSloth2012-06-30T06:53:02ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)svedenhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2202012-06-25T20:10:14Z2012-06-25T20:10:14Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Parm Xon wrote:</div><blockquote>stuff </blockquote><p>UMD my friend, <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/use-magic-device" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">UMD</a>.Parm Xon wrote:stuff
UMD my friend, UMD.sveden2012-06-25T20:10:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)bigkillahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2192014-02-18T01:19:25Z2012-06-22T05:22:27Z<p>Some people prefer to steamroll every encounter.</p>
<p>Some people prefer a challenge.</p>
<p>You cannot please them all.</p>Some people prefer to steamroll every encounter.
Some people prefer a challenge.
You cannot please them all.bigkilla2012-06-22T05:22:27ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Ravenmantlehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2182012-06-25T20:10:31Z2012-06-22T04:50:01Z<p>@Parm Xon,</p>
<p>You describe a near TPK and what sounds like a desperate battle against overpowering odds. Now, I haven't played the module so I can't really comment on the specifics of it, but a desperate battle against overpowering odds that NEARLY ends in a TPK, but where the good guys ultimately prevail, sounds like an epic and fun end-game encounter to me.</p>
<p>Point is, it's not necessarily something that requires a recategorization of modules. In almost every module and Pathfinder Society scenario, there's going to some degree of variation in the enjoyment of the action and that comes down to individual group setup more than it necessarily does the Pathfinder Society setup. Of course, sometimes there's going to be some issues with the scenario (such as a villain built way more powerful than a party can expect to survive). From how you described the end encounter, I'd actually enjoy it. :)</p>@Parm Xon,
You describe a near TPK and what sounds like a desperate battle against overpowering odds. Now, I haven't played the module so I can't really comment on the specifics of it, but a desperate battle against overpowering odds that NEARLY ends in a TPK, but where the good guys ultimately prevail, sounds like an epic and fun end-game encounter to me.
Point is, it's not necessarily something that requires a recategorization of modules. In almost every module and Pathfinder Society...Ravenmantle2012-06-22T04:50:01ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)zagnabbithttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2172012-06-22T01:05:34Z2012-06-22T01:05:34Z<p>That's funny, but not a bad idea.</p>That's funny, but not a bad idea.zagnabbit2012-06-22T01:05:34ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Parm Xon (alias of Silvernight42)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2162012-06-22T01:02:24Z2012-06-22T01:02:24Z<p>When I first saw Pathfinder Society being played at my FLGS, I thought I had found an organized play setup that would prove better then what I had with the old RPGA. Several months and a lot of play later, that has been true. </p>
<p>Until this module. Playing in this module at Free RPG day has been the worst experience I've had with Pathfinder society, and one of the worst RPGs experiences I've had in over 25 years of playing.
<br />
[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>I see also that there are some people who absolutely loved this module and more power to them. I know from long experience that there are some people who enjoy experiences that I find painful. However, I also know that I'm not going to be swayed by arguments that I should enjoy such pain anymore then they are likely to sympathize with people who don't.</p>
<p>One suggestion I might make is has Pathfinder considered a system to rate or categorize modules other then strictly on CR? Something like a Taco Sauce rating of Mild, Spicy, Hot, and Fiery? </p>
<p>My rating would definitely be Fiery for this module.</p>When I first saw Pathfinder Society being played at my FLGS, I thought I had found an organized play setup that would prove better then what I had with the old RPGA. Several months and a lot of play later, that has been true.
Until this module. Playing in this module at Free RPG day has been the worst experience I've had with Pathfinder society, and one of the worst RPGs experiences I've had in over 25 years of playing.
[Spoiler omitted]
I see also that there are some people who absolutely...Parm Xon (alias of Silvernight42)2012-06-22T01:02:24ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)zagnabbithttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2152012-06-21T23:19:30Z2012-06-21T23:19:30Z<p>I haven't read the adventure yet, but I can see where "mini portraits" could be off putting, BUT it's a FREE product. It's meant to teach and grow the game. We be Goblins, which I ran last year was neat. It's meant for new players, casual players, retired players etc. </p>
<p>I would like to voice that I ADORE product tie ins.
<br />
I don't know if its truly "vertical integration", but it makes my life easier. Especially if I'm a Free RPG Day GM who has to manage and coax diverse players who I may not have played with prior.
<br />
Maps, mini packs, and tiles are at the top of this list. It also provides a huge benefit to the FLGS. I stopped store buying APs and Campaign Setting books because the digital copies are just so useful. This hurt my FLGS, not much but some. I buy all of my maps at the store, it encourages them to stock them and unlike APs they don't have a shelf life. </p>
<p>I'm a Paizo customer because they make my life as GM easier. They should keep coming up with ways to do so, so they can continue earning all my money. It's gonna be awhile before the Module + Mini Packs logistics get fully worked out, but I have faith that it will one day be a seamless integration.
<br />
(And I own so many minis that I don't ever NEED another)</p>I haven't read the adventure yet, but I can see where "mini portraits" could be off putting, BUT it's a FREE product. It's meant to teach and grow the game. We be Goblins, which I ran last year was neat. It's meant for new players, casual players, retired players etc.
I would like to voice that I ADORE product tie ins.
I don't know if its truly "vertical integration", but it makes my life easier. Especially if I'm a Free RPG Day GM who has to manage and coax diverse players who I may not...zagnabbit2012-06-21T23:19:30ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)James Jacobs (Creative Director)https://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2142012-06-21T18:51:18Z2012-06-21T18:51:18Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Elorebaen wrote:</div><blockquote> Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture to say that a "pre-chosen list" is what every single writer receives whether explicitly or implicitly. So, I do not think it makes sense to denigrate a product simply because of a "pre-chosen" list. Now, perhaps, one thinks the list doesn't make sense, based on certain principles, but that is a different discussion. </blockquote><p>Actually, we do try to allow our authors to make as many choices regarding NPCs and other options in an adventure as we can. In the specific case of AP #4, I believe my only requirement to Wolfgang was that he include a few established NPCs (such as Mokmurian, who HAD to be in there, and such as some of the established PCs in Sandpoint), and a few TYPES of NPCS (there had to be a dragon since we had one on the cover). Beyond that... it was his choice.Elorebaen wrote:Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture to say that a "pre-chosen list" is what every single writer receives whether explicitly or implicitly. So, I do not think it makes sense to denigrate a product simply because of a "pre-chosen" list. Now, perhaps, one thinks the list doesn't make sense, based on certain principles, but that is a different discussion.
Actually,...James Jacobs (Creative Director)2012-06-21T18:51:18ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)GeraintElberionhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2132012-06-21T18:41:26Z2012-06-21T18:41:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Elorebaen wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">GeraintElberion wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Also supsect that the attempt to lever a pre-made minis pack (and thus a pre-chosen set of foes) into an adventure probably contributed to the issues some people have found with the module.</p>
<p>"Okay, so the module you write has to have an evil cleric, a succubus, a scarlet gargoyle and three zombies in it." </blockquote>Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture to say that a "pre-chosen list" is what every single writer receives whether explicitly or implicitly. So, I do not think it makes sense to denigrate a product simply because of a "pre-chosen" list. Now, perhaps, one thinks the list doesn't make sense, based on certain principles, but that is a different discussion. </blockquote><p>I guess it is the difference between a pre-chosen list selected by an experienced RPG developer like JJ or a pre-chosen list based upon a selection of licensed minis... I suppose the natural contrast would be Compleat Encounters, wherein the minis, map and adventure were planned together.Elorebaen wrote:GeraintElberion wrote:Also supsect that the attempt to lever a pre-made minis pack (and thus a pre-chosen set of foes) into an adventure probably contributed to the issues some people have found with the module.
"Okay, so the module you write has to have an evil cleric, a succubus, a scarlet gargoyle and three zombies in it."
Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture...GeraintElberion2012-06-21T18:41:26ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Elorebaenhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2122012-06-21T18:24:39Z2012-06-21T18:24:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GeraintElberion wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Also supsect that the attempt to lever a pre-made minis pack (and thus a pre-chosen set of foes) into an adventure probably contributed to the issues some people have found with the module.</p>
<p>"Okay, so the module you write has to have an evil cleric, a succubus, a scarlet gargoyle and three zombies in it." </blockquote><p>Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture to say that a "pre-chosen list" is what every single writer receives whether explicitly or implicitly. So, I do not think it makes sense to denigrate a product simply because of a "pre-chosen" list. Now, perhaps, one thinks the list doesn't make sense, based on certain principles, but that is a different discussion.GeraintElberion wrote:Also supsect that the attempt to lever a pre-made minis pack (and thus a pre-chosen set of foes) into an adventure probably contributed to the issues some people have found with the module.
"Okay, so the module you write has to have an evil cleric, a succubus, a scarlet gargoyle and three zombies in it."
Every product is going to have certain limitations. For example, I imagine Wolfgang received a fairly heavy "pre-chosen" NPC list for AP#4. I'd venture to say that a...Elorebaen2012-06-21T18:24:39ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Pathfinder Module: Dawn of the Scarlet Sun (PFRPG)Kvantumhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy8rgh/discuss&page=5?Pathfinder-Module-Dawn-of-the-Scarlet-Sun#2112012-06-22T01:30:54Z2012-06-21T18:18:31Z<p>It's a Free RPG Day module. They're ALL marketing gimmicks in addition to decent modules, Paizo's and every single other publisher's. That's what Free RPG Day is, marketing doubling as (or else masquerading as) an outreach to the fans and an attempt to grow the game.</p>
<p>Same deal goes with Free Comic Book Day, free samples at a grocery store, and any other thing where you get the first taste for free and then have to pay for any more of it... </p>
<p>The mini portraits are just a different way of slipping ads into the module, but nothing Paizo hasn't been doing since the beginning of Paizo, and something the industry hasn't been doing since the beginning of the industry.</p>It's a Free RPG Day module. They're ALL marketing gimmicks in addition to decent modules, Paizo's and every single other publisher's. That's what Free RPG Day is, marketing doubling as (or else masquerading as) an outreach to the fans and an attempt to grow the game.
Same deal goes with Free Comic Book Day, free samples at a grocery store, and any other thing where you get the first taste for free and then have to pay for any more of it...
The mini portraits are just a different way of...Kvantum2012-06-21T18:18:31Z