You can use the pregens provided with the module for this module only for PFS credit. You may not use the pregens in this module for any other PFS event besides Dawn of the Scarlet Sun.

Stop Changing your mind Mike!!!! ;)

You might want to post that here., since you said we could not in that thread.

Shhhh, Dragonmoon!

If he changed his mind here, there's a shot my Quixotic campaign will succeed! :-)

Edit: I forgot, thank you Mark and Mike.

Print edition coming, or .pdf only ?

Print edition coming, or .pdf only ?

This special 16-page Pathfinder Module will initially be made available for Free RPG Day on June 16, 2012. Print editions will be available exclusively on paizo.com beginning June 18, 2012. A FREE PDF will also be available on that date.

No offense but isn't that a CORNUGON on the cover? I'm trying to suspend my disbelief that a CR 16 monster is in a adventure for SIX 5th level PC's.

I believe it's a gargoyle, actually.

No offense but isn't that a CORNUGON on the cover? I'm trying to suspend my disbelief that a CR 16 monster is in a adventure for SIX 5th level PC's.

Don't worry, you won't need to suspend any disbelief beyond the norm, because it's not a cornugon at all.

Pregenerated Characters are now available for download!

Pregenerated Characters are now available for download!

Excellent

Thanks!!!

Stereofm wrote:

Print edition coming, or .pdf only ?

Product Description wrote:

This special 16-page Pathfinder Module will initially be made available for Free RPG Day on June 16, 2012. Print editions will be available exclusively on paizo.com beginning June 18, 2012. A FREE PDF will also be available on that date.

Is there any way to preorder the print edition?

There isn't really any Free RPG day event anywhere near Buffalo and I'd love to get a print copy to play in the future.

(Unfortunately, Buffalo has lost all of its good game stores....)

are the pregens out yet for us to print? or will the GM provide them tomorrow?

are the pregens out yet for us to print? or will the GM provide them tomorrow?

Yes. They are on the product page.

Thanks Mike.

Was really looking forward GMing this as a sidetrek in a running campaign this weekend and just saw it's only going to be available starting Monday. *sad face*

Ruyan.

Was really looking forward GMing this as a sidetrek in a running campaign this weekend and just saw it's only going to be available starting Monday. *sad face*

Ruyan.

If you have a game store near you that is involved in Free RPG day you could try and stop by to get the print version.

Was really looking forward GMing this as a sidetrek in a running campaign this weekend and just saw it's only going to be available starting Monday. *sad face*

Ruyan.

I'm taking for granted this is because people were exploiting the free PDF download on RPG Day by getting and knowing the adventure when they went to play it at stores? I seem to recall that I downloaded "We Be Goblins" on Free RPG Day last year. I don't remember whether that one was a sanctioned PFS adventure though either. Perhaps that's the reason for the delay this year?

I'm confuzzled!

Just ran this at Jetpack Comics in Rochester NH. Went great with 5 players and a tag along NPC Cleric.

We were able to finish it in about 3.5 hours and no one died. Had a good group of experienced players though. I was worried the end could lead to a TPK.

That's funny...I just played this at Jetpack Comics in Rochester, NH! Great fun, great group and an awesome GM!

RuyanVe wrote:

Was really looking forward GMing this as a sidetrek in a running campaign this weekend and just saw it's only going to be available starting Monday. *sad face*

Ruyan.

I'm taking for granted this is because people were exploiting the free PDF download on RPG Day by getting and knowing the adventure when they went to play it at stores? I seem to recall that I downloaded "We Be Goblins" on Free RPG Day last year. I don't remember whether that one was a sanctioned PFS adventure though either. Perhaps that's the reason for the delay this year?

I'm confuzzled!

You didn't download it officially on the day, it's always been the Monday after that it can be downloaded. I suspect this is actually just so that people go and pick it up at free RPG day itself. Also, although releasing the PDF is automatic, I expect that Paizo prefer to have people in on release day just in case something goes wrong.

I believe a part of it is the contract that Paizo, the distributers, and Free RPG Day have. Our VC mentioned something about this as their local FRD fell through and why they couldn't still run it even though the store wasn't an actual participant of FRD. (Special dispensations were allowed for PFS Gms to get the pdf early to prep the mod for use as demos for PFS today. So since it fell through they couldn't legally run it until tomorrow I believe.)

I just got home from running this for four players at my FLGS. I had two deaths and one PC run away with the other dominated to chase and kill him. The players didn't really enjoy this module.

James Jacobs: You included that red-haired <spoiler omitted> . It had too much fun with my party.

James Jacobs: You included that red-haired <spoiler omitted> . It had too much fun with my party. ** spoiler omitted ** This was fun otherwise.

If this is the one I ran up at Wyvern's Tale (and from the spoiler I think it was) ...

And yes, it did have fun with your party ...

I just got home from running this for four players at my FLGS. I had two deaths and one PC run away with the other dominated to chase and kill him. The players didn't really enjoy this module.

Did you raise them to lv six like the module suggested if using four players?

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

I just got home from running this for four players at my FLGS. I had two deaths and one PC run away with the other dominated to chase and kill him. The players didn't really enjoy this module.

Did you raise them to lv six like the module suggested if using four players?

Nope, it was a Pathfinder Society game so I couldn't do that.

Just ran this at Jetpack Comics in Rochester NH. Went great with 5 players and a tag along NPC Cleric.

We were able to finish it in about 3.5 hours and no one died. Had a good group of experienced players though. I was worried the end could lead to a TPK.

Thanks for running it. It was a good time and luckily Harsk the Healer with his wand was able to keep everyone alive.

John Templeton wrote:

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

I just got home from running this for four players at my FLGS. I had two deaths and one PC run away with the other dominated to chase and kill him. The players didn't really enjoy this module.

Did you raise them to lv six like the module suggested if using four players?

Nope, it was a Pathfinder Society game so I couldn't do that.

What levels were they? The module was written for 6 level 5s.

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

John Templeton wrote:

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

I just got home from running this for four players at my FLGS. I had two deaths and one PC run away with the other dominated to chase and kill him. The players didn't really enjoy this module.

Did you raise them to lv six like the module suggested if using four players?

Nope, it was a Pathfinder Society game so I couldn't do that.

What levels were they? The module was written for 6 level 5s.

Three pregens at 5, one magus at 4. And while it was written for 6 level 5's for pathfinder society it's for 4-7 characters 4-6 level characters. And the venue wouldn't have liked it if I canceled the scheduled sessions instead of running it with a legal table.

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

Chris Ballard wrote:

James Jacobs: You included that red-haired <spoiler omitted> . It had too much fun with my party. ** spoiler omitted ** This was fun otherwise.

If this is the one I ran up at Wyvern's Tale (and from the spoiler I think it was) ...

** spoiler omitted **

And yes, it did have fun with your party ... ** spoiler omitted **

That's me.

I'm not worried about it. Things happen.

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

Well yeah... That's equals a short fight for any monster really.

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

No surprise there. In fact there are several PFS-legal 5th-level character builds that could reduce the threat level considerably.

The problem is that the pregen party included in the module aren't likely to have anywhere as near an easy time of it.

At my FLGS we ended up light on players, so I ended up not running it. While we eventually had four players at the table, only two had any familiarity with Pathfinder. There were probably several contributing factors to the low turnout: it was an extremely hot day, the store was running a first-come, first-seated policy with no guaranteed seats, and at least one potential player elected not to show up because his PFS character was only 4th level, and from what he'd seen on the forums he wasn't sure about the risk/reward ratio.

No matter - we did our "Free RPG Day" bit and pulled out last year's module instead, and a good time was had by all! I'll run DotSS as a PFS game at one of the other local venues, so the regulars will get their chance at it.

We just finished the module 2 hours ago all six of us played the pregens and it was a TPK. I don't mind difficult games but I like to feel like I have a chance in a fight. The pregens are totally outclassed in the end fight. I felt like I was in a sealed cylinder slowly filling with water knowing there was nothing I could do about it.

I just watched my wife and her friend play this at a table of all six pregens.

It was a long slog of a fight but they eventually took her down and it was encouraging to watch. The final battle really emphasizes and requires teamwork to ensure success. Really well done, IMO.

I agree with Mike. Given the defenses of the BBEG and the DCs involved and the skills associated we had a snowballs chance in Osirion. Really great characters with loads of potential.

Would love to have them as recurring villians/NPCs in a campaign (perfect). For an fight to the death OMG!!! It's a save or die fight. Fun though. Felt like I was playing Cthulhu.

I agree with Mike. Given the defenses of the BBEG and the DCs involved and the skills associated we had a snowballs chance in Osirion. Really great characters with loads of potential.

This was my experience running it, as well.

Dragnmoon wrote:

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

Well yeah... That's equals a short fight for any monster really.

I'm surprised they got over her SR, and her save roll must have been a 1.

Slumber Hex is supernatural, so doesn't have to worry about Spell Resistance And

The end boss for us was a long drawn out fight that they survived only because they had 2 healers keeping the heavy hitters on their feet and used good combat (flanking & Buffing) tactics. I think the level of experience at the table helped a lot.

I will say the wizard was kind of nerfed with his spell selection (and it turned out to be the same for our next game (Temple of Orcus)). In both games te wizard was reduced to Magic Missile & Caster Level Checks. Every Round. Over and over again.

Slumber Hex is supernatural, so doesn't have to worry about Spell Resistance And ** spoiler omitted **

Ah, I haven't paid much attention to the witch. Still, if you played the adventure with the pre-gens, you had no such ability.

My table . . .The alchemist saved the day with mutagen +enlarge plu a little bardic music made for some super high grapple rolls! Strange tactic but it worked. Poor Scarlet Sun. . . .

My party of iconics was TPK'd, If you must run this with the pregens, do not use the rogue, ranger or fighter. Between them they did a total of 10 hp damage on the Scarlet Son, the Succubus and her demon, as they just could not overcome the DR.

Fun story, but this thing is a meat grinder.

Not fun. Repetitive skill rolls to get things moving at the beginning. The bulk of the pre-generated characters were useless in most of the fights. A knowledgable GM playing the final encounter to maximum effectiveness with the at-will abilities can easily make it nigh unbeatable and extremely annoying.

But, we ran and survived. How many groups was this play tested with?

At the table I ran, the fighter, ranger and rogue actually did some decent damage to both.

My party of iconics was TPK'd, If you must run this with the pregens, do not use the rogue, ranger or fighter. Between them they did a total of 10 hp damage on the Scarlet Son, the Succubus and her demon, as they just could not overcome the DR.

Fun story, but this thing is a meat grinder.

My table would have been a TPK, but I had the BBEG decide to abandon the lair after her minion cleric went down. I thought the TPK would be too much of a downer for the group to go through with it. One character did die, though.

While I like the overall idea in the adventure, I wouldn't recommend this adventure for introducing new players to the game at the level as written for.

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

Wow! You mean one of the most powerful abilities in the game made something easy?

I'm shocked.

Dragnmoon wrote:

All I can say for the game I ran...

Witch + Slumber Hex + Failed Saving Throw = Short Fight for end boss

Wow! You mean one of the most powerful abilities in the game made something easy?

I'm shocked.

I think u mean cheesiest. ;)