Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

Probably the Beastbrood, AKA Rakshasa-spawn. Least sexy/most nightmare-inducingly ugly would have to go to the Motherless, AKA Qlippoth-spawn. Not that the Foulspawn (Demodand-born) are beauty contest winners, either, but they would just have people rearing back in revulsion if seen without a hood. The Motherless would send folks reaching for the pitchforks and torches, first for the Motherless tiefling, then for their own eyes.

Oh, I so want this book... It sounds utterly amazing.

I'm a bit confused by the variants, do they keep all the traits of the main tiefling and just add on more?

If that is the case, is the Improved Fiendish Heritage with say the Rshaka Variant, not effectively give you +6 charisma for your Sorcerer abilities (+2 instead of -2 racial, +2 for Fiendish Heritage, and +2 for the feat?)

I'm a bit confused by the variants, do they keep all the traits of the main tiefling and just add on more?

If that is the case, is the Improved Fiendish Heritage with say the Rshaka Variant, not effectively give you +6 charisma for your Sorcerer abilities (+2 instead of -2 racial, +2 for Fiendish Heritage, and +2 for the feat?)

Nope.

The modifiers replace those from the base Tiefling. (But, anything not changed remains.)

Your example is incorrect.

A Rakshasa Tiefling would have

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

They each have head shots not full body shots. But with that said the Demon one is by far the best looking... of course. :)

Are you the model for Page 30? ;D

UPS Truck pulled up today. Got so excited. Even had a book-sized box. Then the UPS Delivery person asks for my sister. Turns out she ordered a book of eye shadows.

I was so disappointed. Not the book of shadows I've been waiting for. :(

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

They each have head shots not full body shots. But with that said the Demon one is by far the best looking... of course. :)

Are you the model for Page 30? ;D

Nah my horns arn't that big. :)

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

They each have head shots not full body shots. But with that said the Demon one is by far the best looking... of course. :)

Are you the model for Page 30? ;D

In fact, the character on page 30 is an established NPC from Riddleport...

LAVENDER LIL' !!!

Lord Fyre wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

They each have head shots not full body shots. But with that said the Demon one is by far the best looking... of course. :)

Are you the model for Page 30? ;D

In fact, the character on page 30 is an established NPC from Riddleport...

True, but that did not prevent you from using a model for that picture. ;)

This is a very good race book, it has much more crunch for the race then any of the other books. I really like the variant versions of the Tiefling and the traits for them are great. The Daemon bloodline is interesting, the feats aren't bad, but there are too many abilities in here that assumes the Tiefling that gets them must be evil.

Now I really can't wait for the Aasimar one. I hope the Sorcerer bloodline in this one is for the Azata.

That grimspawn (daemon-spawn) looks kind of like a nosferatu vampire. Any possible connection, especially since "nosferatu" are historically linked to plagues?

LAVENDER LIL' !!!

Nope.

It's actually her boss, Shorafa Pamodae.

Lavender already had a full body illustration, after all.

...but there are too many abilities in here that assumes the Tiefling that gets them must be evil.

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil. Good tieflings should not be easy options.

Gorbacz wrote:

LAVENDER LIL' !!!

Nope.

It's actually her boss, Shorafa Pamodae.

Lavender already had a full body illustration, after all.

Wha wha wha wait wait does that mean we will be getting MORE SEXY TIEFLINGS in Shattered Star or thereabouts?

*faints*

Now let's hope my FLGS gets this in stock, or I may have to special order.

James Jacobs wrote:

Gorbacz wrote:

LAVENDER LIL' !!!

Nope.

It's actually her boss, Shorafa Pamodae.

Lavender already had a full body illustration, after all.

Wha wha wha wait wait does that mean we will be getting MORE SEXY TIEFLINGS in Shattered Star or thereabouts?

*faints*

Be careful what you wish for.

meh... me no likey Lavender Lil anyway......

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

James Jacobs wrote:

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

Yes. While the crunch makes it far easier to play an evil tiefling (intentional, as tieflings are supposed to feel an inner pull toward dark emotions), there is quite a bit of support for tieflings who resist that pull.

(Edit: fixed a grammar problem.)

Mikaze wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

Yes. While the crunch makes it far easier to play and evil tiefling (intentional, as tieflings are supposed to feel an inner pull toward dark emotions), there is quite a bit of support for tieflings who resist that pull.

phew Thanks Lord Fyre. Been looking forward to this for so long I was just worried for a moment that it was going to be another Orcs of Golarion style situation. Really glad that's not the case.

James Jacobs wrote:

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

Absolutely. James was very clear in his direction to Hal and me. It's just, y'know... they're filled with fiend blood. Being good is a lot harder a choice for a tiefling.

Mikaze wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

Absolutely. James was very clear in his direction to Hal and me. It's just, y'know... they're filled with fiend blood. Being good is a lot harder a choice for a tiefling.

I'm just relieved they're still presented as having a choice. :)

Thanks, worries pretty much put to rest now!

Colin McComb wrote:

Mikaze wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

That's kind of the point, though... tieflings are supposed to be evil.

:(

There is support for good tieflings in this though, right?

Absolutely. James was very clear in his direction to Hal and me. It's just, y'know... they're filled with fiend blood. Being good is a lot harder a choice for a tiefling.

I'm just relieved they're still presented as having a choice. :)

Thanks, worries pretty much put to rest now!

Oh, you're totally taken care. We call out Desna specifically as a deity who welcomes tiefling worshippers; there's a picture of a cleric in Sarenrae's robes. We have a short talk about how you can play a tiefling paladin. And there are a couple of paragraphs about tieflings who choose to turn from evil. That's not all, but that's what I got from a quick refresher of the text.

So yeah, you should be okay. :)

Oh, you're totally taken care. We call out Desna specifically as a deity who welcomes tiefling worshippers; there's a picture of a cleric in Sarenrae's robes. We have a short talk about how you can play a tiefling paladin. And there are a couple of paragraphs about tieflings who choose to turn from evil. That's not all, but that's what I got from a quick refresher of the text.

So yeah, you should be okay. :)

:D

THANK YOU!

tries to punch through space and time to change the shipping option to "2-Day".

Seriously though, thanks!

Ok now that people have begun to acquire their copies I ask again. How is the Daemontainted bloodline? What are some of the abilities like? Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have a daemonspawn tief about to enter one of my groups as a claw using ranger and was wondering if anything from the bloodline would match up well with his character through Eldritch heritage.

I just want to drop in and say that I'm totally a fan of this book.

I'm also really liking the artist who did the headshots of the various tiefling bloodlines. Employ them more in the future!

I do have to say one thing I really do like is that you guys included tiefling paladins (dropping the old Tieflings can not be LG). I'd really love to see a beastborne tiefling in one of my games, but I fear it shant happen for a bit.

Yeah... tieflings are supposed to be evil... but that makes them particularly compelling as good guys. Likewise, evil aasimars are pretty compelling.

But if you want to be a good tiefling or an evil aasimar.. you WILL have fewer options because there ARE evil only options for tieflings and good only options for aasimars.

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

Probably the Beastbrood, AKA Rakshasa-spawn. Least sexy/most nightmare-inducingly ugly would have to go to the Motherless, AKA Qlippoth-spawn. Not that the Foulspawn (Demodand-born) are beauty contest winners, either, but they would just have people rearing back in revulsion if seen without a hood. The Motherless would send folks reaching for the pitchforks and torches, first for the Motherless tiefling, then for their own eyes.

I thought the div-blooded one was pretty cute, especially with those dreamy goat eyes.

I thought the div-blooded one was pretty cute, especially with those dreamy goat eyes.

In my own Legacy of Fire campaign, I've spontaneously decided that the div-spawn illustration perfectly portrays Khafira Blacktongue, guild leader of the Duskwalkers. And just in time! I'd been searching high and low for suitable art to use for her.

Daemon Tiefling(Grim Spawn)
-+2Dex +2Int -2Wis
-+2 Disable Device, Sleight of Hand
-Death Knell(1/day)

They also have a Daemon Sorcerer bloodline as well.

nice they changed it up from what it was in council of thieves which will be quite cool. Now what does the bloodline get though in the way of abilities as they level as that was kind of what I was looking for to see if I should be getting him excited about taking up eldritch heritage.

The Sorcerer bloodline
1st-waisting ray- inflict starvation or thirst-make con check or take 1d6 nonleathal damage.
3rd-resistances
9th-Age Out-temperally age yourself to get rid of fort and/or will save based effects.
15th-Wound warp-teleport out of the wounds of dead bodies, deal 4d6 acid damage(ref 1/2) to adjacent targets.
20th-standard immunities, resistances, etc.

Are tieflings necessarily of one of these distinctive appearance types, based on heritage, or do they still include more motley individuals who may have more unusual (or less overtly fiendish) appearances, perhaps resembling one of the options from the Tiefling Appearance Quirks thread?

A Tiefling's appearance is just as varied as there are different types of fiends and you and your DM's whims. With that being said there abilities are based of the type of fiend and the random chart of abilities that can replace there spell like ability.

Awesome. From the artwork in 4E, it seemed like tieflings became somewhat standardized in appearance, and I was hoping that the option of two tieflings of the same heritage looking very different was still there.

Are all the tiefling stats for the variant ones the same as the Council of Thieves options found just below here?

It looks like they are the same as they were in council of thieves.

Strangely enough the only thing that doesn't get altered for each type is there energy resistances.

Is the Fiendish Heritage feat no more? I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the PDF in context of the feat.

My confusion is the purpose of the feat was so that the player could choose a heritage and now in this book the feat isn't mentioned at all.

The Fiendish Heritage feat is not featured in the book. You just pick a heritage in place of the standard tiefling, should you so wish.

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Not fair! My PFS Tiefling is almost 3rd level and this comes out! Having a replacement to Darkness would have been useful when it got a party member killed...

Not fair! My PFS Tiefling is almost 3rd level and this comes out! Having a replacement to Darkness would have been useful when it got a party member killed...

Are these variants even legal for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play?

Are these variants even legal for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play?

We still have hope... But we won't find out until next week.

Ninjaxenomorph wrote:

Not fair! My PFS Tiefling is almost 3rd level and this comes out! Having a replacement to Darkness would have been useful when it got a party member killed...

Are these variants even legal for the Pathfinder Society Organized Play?

Either way ITS NOT FAIR! That poor gnome ninja...

...Wait...

Actually, are these available for PFS? Probably not.

Actually, are these available for PFS? Probably not.

If anything in this book in allowed for PFS, it will require you have the Tiefling Race Boon.

This looks amazing! Pity that my current tiefling character is already at level 7 and I had to go trough all kinds of riff-raff to play him. He's basically the infernal heritage-trait's tiefling from COT:s player's guide. But I'm thinking of maybe doing another tiefling character in the future! And there's always possibility that he dies, because, well, Carrion crown...

Like the Human book, I'm a bit disappointed about the rehashed content. But I guess that's going to happen when you own almost every single book with the Pathfinder logo on the cover.

Especially with content from the APs (just as the rules content is rehashed in the hardcovers).
I was a bit more disappointed wit HoG because the Players Companio and Campaign Setting lines seem much closer (from a GMs perspective).

Dumb question time: I'll probably have to wait one more week for this book (blast!), but can anyone let me know what sort of tiefling would work best as a magus? That would mean (probably) bonuses to strength and/or intelligence, or at least no negative modifiers on them.

And dumb question #2: do any of these tieflings look at all like beast-folk? I've been wondering about the daemon-spawn and rakshasa-spawn.