And I know that Succubus touched Rev 2.2 is on the powerful side as it is a 20 RP build and most standard races are 10 RP build, with aasimar and tiefling at 12 RP build, so it is likely a CR 1 race, not CR1/2 like other tieflings

ARG playtest Here

Ta, I can't believe I missed the playtest.

My take on the concept is several posts below yours now.

Lost in traslation

Hi i,m from spain and all my player are expectant for this book.

For the moment, we are using The "Bastards of Erebus" for play tiefling. By the way,in the table of Random Tiefling Features, Skin: Patterned, what is his traslation? It´s like tattoo, or as spots?

Lost in traslation

Hi i,m from spain and all my player are expectant for this book.

For the moment, we are using The "Bastards of Erebus" for play tiefling. By the way,in the table of Random Tiefling Features, Skin: Patterned, what is his traslation? It´s like tattoo, or as spots?

I would take it as more like spots.. but it could be stripes (as a zebra, or some snakes) or more complex shapes (diamonds, circles, and so on).

I have 2 questions.

Do all the crunch in this book will be in the ARG ?

Could we expect a Blood of Genies companion for the end of the years ?

I dont know if I will buy the Blood of Fiends/Blood of Angels/Blood of Genies series or if I will buy the ARG. It will be one or the other.

Azure_Zero wrote:

Will this product get a teaser in the paizo blog?

Quite possibly!

Well it's April now,

I have 2 questions.

Do all the crunch in this book will be in the ARG ?

Could we expect a Blood of Genies companion for the end of the years ?

I dont know if I will buy the Blood of Fiends/Blood of Angels/Blood of Genies series or if I will buy the ARG. It will be one or the other.

I think the Tiefling is only getting 6 pages of rules in the Advanced Race Guide, compared to the 64 pages it is getting here. I would imagine that there is no way all of this book's crunch is going to fit into the Advanced Race Guide, as this looks to be one of the more Crunch-heavy Player Companions (like Inner Sea Magic or the Adventurer's Armory).

Since the line is drawn between Settings Neutral (ARG) and Golarion (Blood of Fiends), I'd imagine that the following stuff listed in the description would be exclusive to Blood of Fiends (and Blood of Angels, respectively). I would imagine that most (if not all) of the class options will be unique to Blood of Fiends, such as the curses and inquisitions, the subdomains and masterpieces, and especially the character traits.

Ultimately, Paizo is a business and they'd be pretty silly to print EVERYTHING from Blood of Fiends in the Advanced Race Guide (which is only coming out a month later) and vice versa. If you want all of the available options for tieflings, I'd say get both (that's what I'm doing, at least).

What I want to know is some hints as to what abilities the daemontainted sorcerer is going to get. I have a daemon spawn tief in one of my groups and we've been waiting for some daemon love so we could get him the eldrich heritage feats

This book is actually in the Player Companion line... so it's 32 pages, not 64.

There is relatively little crossover between the contents of this book (which focuses more on the flavor of tieflings in Golarion, customizing them FOR Golarion, and the various tiefling blood lines than the ARG's world-neutral options) and the Advanced Race Guide. They're meant to support each other relatively well without a lot of reprinted material between them.

This book is actually in the Player Companion line... so it's 32 pages, not 64.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why you makin' me a liar, James?!

James Jacobs wrote:

This book is actually in the Player Companion line... so it's 32 pages, not 64.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why you makin' me a liar, James?!

I take pleasure in despair and lamentations.

Golden-Esque wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

This book is actually in the Player Companion line... so it's 32 pages, not 64.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why you makin' me a liar, James?!

I take pleasure in despair and lamentations.

in other words its in a byline of his job description....

I take pleasure in despair and lamentations.

Which bloodline is that one?

It's not a bloodline. It's a racial ability.

Omg, I got my confirmation e-mail that my book is shipping! 0_0

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

Please tell me, Vic, why on EARTH did I not start preordering these books sooner?!

Omg, I got my confirmation e-mail that my book is shipping! 0_0

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

Please tell me, Vic, why on EARTH did I not start preordering these books sooner?!

We all do silly things when we're young. Don't let it weigh you down.

Hi, new guy here. why hasn't the PDF been made available. it seems strange to release the book and then two weeks later release the PDF. it seems like one would usually make the PDF available at the same time as the book itself. So why must us PDF lovers wait?

iirc It's to do with the subscriptions, to make sure subscribers get theirs first.

Hi, new guy here. why hasn't the PDF been made available. it seems strange to release the book and then two weeks later release the PDF. it seems like one would usually make the PDF available at the same time as the book itself. So why must us PDF lovers wait?

IIRC, the PDF release date of April 25 is the street date for the physical product, when it should be available from your FLGS or the like. Those of us getting copies starting this week are folks who have subscribed to the line, and when Paizo ships the product and charges our monetary establishment, we gain access to the free subscriber PDF. It's a perk of having a subscription!

Oh ok.

I can't wait for my "is shipping" e-mail.

And will there be a teaser on the Paizo blog soon?

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

I'm so totally rolling a Motherless tiefling for my next PC.

His skin will be shiny black, his head and limbs slightly elongated, with some acidic blood and whispered tales about how he just burst open from his unfortunate mothers' innards.

I can't wait for my "is shipping" e-mail.

And will there be a teaser on the Paizo blog soon?

We generally don't do teasers of products we've already released in the Paizo blog, though I do try and give tidbits in the Store blog (though probably not to the extent that you're looking for).

I'm so totally rolling a Motherless tiefling for my next PC.

His skin will be shiny black, his head and limbs slightly elongated, with some acidic blood and whispered tales about how he just burst open from his unfortunate mothers' innards.

I bet he got such a spanking.

Azure_Zero wrote:

I can't wait for my "is shipping" e-mail.

And will there be a teaser on the Paizo blog soon?

We generally don't do teasers of products we've already released in the Paizo blog, though I do try and give tidbits in the Store blog (though probably not to the extent that you're looking for).

Nuts, but thanks for the response.

I've skimmed my PDF copy of this book and I *like* it!

I particularly look forward to giving my players expanded options on Tiefling characters. one note though - the Quillipoth horrors might not even understand/recognize (or care!) that humanity has two genders. Given that those things violate reality as much as they violate their victims...its possible that they might 'infect' male OR female victims as hosts for their tiefling spawn.

just a little something to give your players a bit more squick factor when considering potential storylines/backgrounds for your newly minted squid horror child.

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

As far as I know, you don't need to get a subscription to actually get the product mailed to you in the first batch, as I don't have the companion subscription either but I was still in the first batch of shipments. Us non-subscribing pre-orders just don't get the PDF to nom on until the book gets here.

Dragon78 wrote:

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

As far as I know, you don't need to get a subscription to actually get the product mailed to you in the first batch, as I don't have the companion subscription either but I was still in the first batch of shipments. Us non-subscribing pre-orders just don't get the PDF to nom on until the book gets here.

it's totally worth getting the subscription tho. I usually snarf up PDF files like this and put 'em on my iPad. then let the gamer group see the new book next game session and ponder character ideas for later.

I've skimmed my PDF copy of this book and I *like* it!

I particularly look forward to giving my players expanded options on Tiefling characters. one note though - the Quillipoth horrors might not even understand/recognize (or care!) that humanity has two genders. Given that those things violate reality as much as they violate their victims...its possible that they might 'infect' male OR female victims as hosts for their tiefling spawn.

just a little something to give your players a bit more squick factor when considering potential storylines/backgrounds for your newly minted squid horror child.

Glad you like it. :)

I so wish I had thought of your Qlippoth idea. Would have given the term "Motherless" a really interesting additional wrinkle.

Glad you like it. :)

I so wish I had thought of your Qlippoth idea. Would have given the term "Motherless" a really interesting additional wrinkle.

not to mention the fact that it makes for one icky campaign arc. A nasty Qlippoth critter accidentally gets summoned by a bunch of confused worshippers of the Great Old Ones (hey, tentacle rapey monsters all tend to look the same to insane cultists), it ends up eating half the cult and impregnating the other half. the players get involved when they find a cultist (male or female, dealer's choice) exploded in an alleyway somewhere, and the mewling Qlippoth tiefling spawn sitting nearby....do they kill it with fire? pack it off to an orphanage? track down the other cultists and help? the cultists themselves might consider it a great honor to be host to a tentacle rape baby and fight to protect their 'child'. either way, the locals probably won't like anything about this situation, and will freak out quite a bit.

something to think about anyways. anywho, I love this book! so many possiblities!

Dragon78 wrote:

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

As far as I know, you don't need to get a subscription to actually get the product mailed to you in the first batch, as I don't have the companion subscription either but I was still in the first batch of shipments. Us non-subscribing pre-orders just don't get the PDF to nom on until the book gets here.

Just to be clear, if you don't have a subscription, the PDF is a separate purchse from the print copy. Only subscribers get the PDF for free, as part of the subscription deal.

I got a subscription but just got it starting with product but did subscribe until yesterday. So depending how many people have subscriptions before me, it may be a while before I get that sending email.

Are the variant charts the same from those in Council of Thieves? Or have they been updated in any way?

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

As far as I know, you don't need to get a subscription to actually get the product mailed to you in the first batch, as I don't have the companion subscription either but I was still in the first batch of shipments. Us non-subscribing pre-orders just don't get the PDF to nom on until the book gets here.

it's totally worth getting the subscription tho. I usually snarf up PDF files like this and put 'em on my iPad. then let the gamer group see the new book next game session and ponder character ideas for later.

Yeah PDFs on the ipad are awesome. its like having the entire pathfinder collection on one easy to carry tablet. however when it comes to PDFs above 100 pages it starts to get a little sluggish.

Mr. Quick wrote:

Golden-Esque wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I will be waiting a little longer since I forggot to get a subscription for this product line until yesterday.

As far as I know, you don't need to get a subscription to actually get the product mailed to you in the first batch, as I don't have the companion subscription either but I was still in the first batch of shipments. Us non-subscribing pre-orders just don't get the PDF to nom on until the book gets here.

it's totally worth getting the subscription tho. I usually snarf up PDF files like this and put 'em on my iPad. then let the gamer group see the new book next game session and ponder character ideas for later.

Yeah PDFs on the ipad are awesome. its like having the entire pathfinder collection on one easy to carry tablet. however when it comes to PDFs above 100 pages it starts to get a little sluggish.

If only technology had evolved to the point where my iPad could handle the Core Rulebook. T_T

I got a subscription but just got it starting with product but did subscribe until yesterday. So depending how many people have subscriptions before me, it may be a while before I get that sending email.

It probably is not clear, but I was responding to Golden-Esque's reply to your post, Dragon78. Golden-esque mentioned being a non-subscriber who pre-ordered, and "doesn't get the PDF ... until the physical book gets here". I wanted to point out that pre-ordering does NOT get a free PDF; it would be a separate purchase.

Any interesting feats and/or traits worth mentioning?

What are the variants like?

Anticipating and waiting for USPS.

Any interesting feats and/or traits worth mentioning?

What are the variants like?

Each variant has it's own ability sets, skills and SA ability. With a couple of racial traits which all combined make each one pretty different from each other.

There is a rage, sorcerer and banner feat. The rest of the feats are all open to any tiefling.

As for traits I think there is a few very cool traits for them in this book. That work well and really fit the race well.
Dark Magic Affinity - spells that are evil are cast as one level higher.
Ever Wary - can add half your dex bonus to ac on a round you are surprised.

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

so is it straight up chose it or do we have to take a feat like in boe?

Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

Probably the Beastbrood, AKA Rakshasa-spawn. Least sexy/most nightmare-inducingly ugly would have to go to the Motherless, AKA Qlippoth-spawn. Not that the Foulspawn (Demodand-born) are beauty contest winners, either, but they would just have people rearing back in revulsion if seen without a hood. The Motherless would send folks reaching for the pitchforks and torches, first for the Motherless tiefling, then for their own eyes.

The artwork for the tiefling variants is stunning. I hope the same artist's been hired to do the portraits for the aasimar variants. As Kvantum said, the motherless have a very creepy alien look to them and mob mentality's assured if they ever show their ugly mugs. Very cool stuff.

so is it straight up chose it or do we have to take a feat like in boe?

That rule appears to have been done away with.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

So the the variants do have different abilities and skill bonuses then, not just racial mods, cool. Thanks for the info Dark Mistress.

Yes and in case i wasn't clear. Each one also has 2 racial traits per variant above and beyond the general racial traits chapter.

I'm surprised you waited this long to jump in this thread, DM!

So tell me, since JJ said all of the tiefling variants had art ... who's the sexiest?

They each have head shots not full body shots. But with that said the Demon one is by far the best looking... of course. :)

the art is fantastic, i am in love with the bat mount on the opening pages