Make shift list: 9/18/11

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Small:

Dire Rat

Gnome Fighter

Medium:

Succubus

Vampire

Lich

Medusa

Half-Orc Barbarian

Seelah, Iconic Paladin

Large:

Chimera

Frost Giant

Troll

Huge, Special:

Black Dragon

Other possible miniatures: goblins, ogre.

Actually further up Erik Mona actually confirmed there will be 2 goblin minis and a skeleton.

Actually further up Erik Mona actually confirmed there will be 2 goblin minis and a skeleton.

I'm waiting until we actually get some kind of picture before putting something on the list. Though I'll try to remember to put the skeleton on the list of other possible miniatures.

KaeYoss wrote:

Mournblade94 wrote:

So maybe Kae Yoss you can help me with which one of the following statements holds true to the Queen's English:
Kae Yoss, your a rotting haggis,
Or
Kae Yoss you're a rotting haggis.

Neither is correct:

You misspelled my name. It's KaeYoss (or Kae'Yoss, but not Kae Yoss).

In the first, you used "your" instead of "you're" again.

In the second, you forgot the comma.

"KaeYoss, your a rotting haggis," Is a legitimate phrase that requires an archaic and seldom seen usage of 'a'.

So, what does it mean?

And what are you doing with the haggis? We need a verb!

It means that Kae'Yoss is meat that has been left sitting far to long in a wrapping of sheep's stomach.

The nips and tatties still might be good though.

GeraintElberion wrote:

KaeYoss wrote:

Mournblade94 wrote:

So maybe Kae Yoss you can help me with which one of the following statements holds true to the Queen's English:
Kae Yoss, your a rotting haggis,
Or
Kae Yoss you're a rotting haggis.

Neither is correct:

You misspelled my name. It's KaeYoss (or Kae'Yoss, but not Kae Yoss).

In the first, you used "your" instead of "you're" again.

In the second, you forgot the comma.

"KaeYoss, your a rotting haggis," Is a legitimate phrase that requires an archaic and seldom seen usage of 'a'.

So, what does it mean?

And what are you doing with the haggis? We need a verb!

It means that Kae'Yoss is meat that has been left sitting far to long in a wrapping of sheep's stomach.

The nips and tatties still might be good though.

Nope, the 'your' is still posessive.

Think of Byron: "So we'll go no more a roving..."

KaeYoss has a haggis which he has chosen to let rot.

Okay, I've given you that bit. Now, what shall we have KaeYoss do with it?

How about, "KaeYoss, your rotting haggis has derailed our thread. I hope you're going to fix that so we can get back on track." ;-)

Just to change the direction of the thread a bit. I really like both Seelah and the Half-Orc Barbarian. I have become quite fond of Seelah, and her back story, so this will be a special miniature to me. I will be introducing her as an NPC later in the campaign I am running, so this is quite timely. Erik Mona said the Half-Orc Barbarian will have a bit more green in the skin tone than what is evident in the digital sculpt. That will be good. I am really liking this set.

Later,

Mazra

Speaking of Seelah and the angry mutt, they should be added to the product page.

And what are you doing with the haggis?

Absolutely nothing. I'm not even touching that stuff. I mean haggis? If I hadn't heard about that fish stew they bury in the ground to let it rot for a year, I'd say that it is the most disgusting thing people eat out of their own free will.

KaeYoss has a haggis which he has chosen to let rot.

Okay, I've given you that bit. Now, what shall we have KaeYoss do with it?

I shall let it rot some more. In fact, It can rot forever for all I care. I wouldn't have touched it when it was fresh.

And all this is clearly Paizo's fault for not giving us more information about the miniatures on a more frequent basis. :P

How about, "KaeYoss, your rotting haggis has derailed our thread. I hope you're going to fix that so we can get back on track." ;-)

Touché.

I'm sure nobody here would indulge in a spot of silliness to kill off silly bickering.
My word, that would not do!

Can anyone direct me to this supposed Chimera? I've seen it referenced a few times as confirmed (and it seems, with a picture), but I must have missed this.

Thanks :)

Can anyone direct me to this supposed Chimera? I've seen it referenced a few times as confirmed (and it seems, with a picture), but I must have missed this.

A wingless chimera was posted here. Paizo was implored to ensure that it had wings. Apparently they worked with WizKids to change it and took down the render.

Lisa mentions it here.

Peanuts wrote:

Can anyone direct me to this supposed Chimera? I've seen it referenced a few times as confirmed (and it seems, with a picture), but I must have missed this.

A wingless chimera was posted here. Paizo was implored to ensure that it had wings. Apparently they worked with WizKids to change it and took down the render.

Lisa mentions it here.

Ahh, well thank you :)

After several days of reading one fracking thread, I'm finally at the end, whew!

1. Love that Paizo is making it possible to get more PPM minis.
2. Don't really mind the randomness as I can well understand the reasoning behind the decision.
3. Already pre-ordered one case + dragon, and possibly will make it two.
4. Wouldn't mind a minis game to go along with it, especially if it provides additional income for Paizo.
5. Definitely hope to see more large and larger PF specific monsters, as well as tarrasque and other such less used odditys.

Can't wait for the delivery deadline to arrive.

Man a Tarrasque would be cool... Expensive as hell though I imagine :p

All those spikes...

I also think there should be a minis game to go with it. I understand that it may make things a bit more difficult, but the DDM minis game was a great added value to the DDM minis themselves. It let me 'use' my minis, especially the more oddball ones more regularly.

Most importantly, it allowed me to come up with neat encounter ideas and see how different creatures would work together and work against each other in a fight.

Can anyone direct me to this supposed Chimera? I've seen it referenced a few times as confirmed (and it seems, with a picture), but I must have missed this.

Thanks :)

Now, that is a delicious irony.

:D

I also think there should be a minis game to go with it. I understand that it may make things a bit more difficult, but the DDM minis game was a great added value to the DDM minis themselves. It let me 'use' my minis, especially the more oddball ones more regularly.

Most importantly, it allowed me to come up with neat encounter ideas and see how different creatures would work together and work against each other in a fight.

I believe a game could be designed that could accommodate a miniatures game without IT making, to quote, "things a bit more difficult." In fact the name of this set lends itself to a form of a miniatures game. You have your Heroes and you have your Monsters. Heroes could have a flat point cost, let's say as an example 25 points. You would then have four Heroes in a 100 point game. Monster's points could vary from 5 points for a Goblin to 100 points for a Lich. Then you could have a game where a four piece party of Heroes could have a battle with 20 Goblins or a singular Lich. This too would correspond to the rarity of the minatures.

You could even have differing Hero stats and the points they cost depending on level. You could have a 1st level Hero stat card that cost 10 points. Or the same miniature could have a 5th level Hero card that cost 25 points. Maybe even a 100 point Hero card, etc..

This way the miniatures game would correspond more to the RPG. By doing this the miniatures would have the same utility for both the RPG and the miniatures games. There would no longer be a need to own 5 Militia Archers for your warband.

To take this another step, you could assign Pathfinder factions as an option to the Heroes and possibly Monsters, so that players could have Hero wars, or even Monster Wars, Andoran vs Cheliax or Goblins vs Undead, whatever!

Later,

Mazra

Perram wrote:

I also think there should be a minis game to go with it. I understand that it may make things a bit more difficult, but the DDM minis game was a great added value to the DDM minis themselves. It let me 'use' my minis, especially the more oddball ones more regularly.

Most importantly, it allowed me to come up with neat encounter ideas and see how different creatures would work together and work against each other in a fight.

I believe a game could be designed that could accommodate a miniatures game without IT making, to quote, "things a bit more difficult." In fact the name of this set lends itself to a form of a miniatures game. You have your Heroes and you have your Monsters. Heroes could have a flat point cost, let's say as an example 25 points. You would then have four Heroes in a 100 point game. Monster's points could vary from 5 points for a Goblin to 100 points for a Lich. Then you could have a game where a four piece party of Heroes could have a battle with 20 Goblins or a singular Lich. This too would correspond to the rarity of the minatures.

You could even have differing Hero stats and the points they cost depending on level. You could have a 1st level Hero stat card that cost 10 points. Or the same miniature could have a 5th level Hero card that cost 25 points. Maybe even a 100 point Hero card, etc..

This way the miniatures game would correspond more to the RPG. By doing this the miniatures would have the same utility for both the RPG and the miniatures games. There would no longer be a need to own 5 Militia Archers for your warband.

To take this another step, you could assign Pathfinder factions as an option to the Heroes and possibly Monsters, so that players could have Hero wars, or even Monster Wars, Andoran vs Cheliax or Goblins vs Undead, whatever!

Later,

Mazra

I don't mind a game as long as they keep the minis useful for rpg. Wotc released lots of oddities for the DDM scenarios. I really would not like monsters outside the bestiaries. Cthulhu and tarasque not withstanding.

Am I the only one looking forward to a new preview tomorrow?

Later,

Mazra

No.

Is tomorrow the preview of the final product state (not just the rendering)? If so, definitely looking forward to it -- basing my decision on whether to subscribe or not on it.

No. Tomorrow will be about non-digital sculpts, and will show off photos of some non-painted minis with some behind-the-scenes info on how these things are put together.

No.

Good to know! ;)

(The thread needed a little reviving.)

Mazra

I am also looking forward to the preview tomorrow.
*Starts watching the clock*

No. Tomorrow will be about non-digital sculpts, and will show off photos of some non-painted minis with some behind-the-scenes info on how these things are put together.

Hmmm, still hopefully will be enough for me to drop the hammer on the subscription -- I'm sooo tempted but know the early October deadline is looming. Looking forward to it!

No. Tomorrow will be about non-digital sculpts, and will show off photos of some non-painted minis with some behind-the-scenes info on how these things are put together.

This sounds like a fun read. Can't wait.

SO MUCH IN LIFE IS LOST IN WAITING......Lookin forward to preview and behind the scenes.

Hi

Hope they do make a mini based game like WotC.

Nice intro box was a great source of some iconic minis, and an interesting new way to use our minis.

The new battlemats for the game could be used as the maps for new PFS scenarios. Some of the existing maps (Keep)? could be used as alternate scenarios for the minis-game.

Thanks
Paul H

It looks like Paizo will be adding two more to the set list, an Ettin and a Human Ranger. Both are nice sculpts. I hope this set is released in time to be under the Christmas Tres. :)

Later,

Mazra

That's the plan. Early December.

I'm wondering if they will print any pathfinder exclusive monsters, or some minis that have never been printed. That to me would be much more interesting.

The Ettin looks great....

and the Ranger looks even better....

But I think the Goblins are going to blow everything away....

i love the Pathfinder stylized Goblins.

The ettin is very cool but I think the Human Ranger is my favorite mini so far! Very nice action pose!

This doesn't really deal directly with Heroes & Monsters persay, but it does have to do with the future of minis in general. This was actually Erik's response in regards to when I thanked him for keeping the minis true to scale (and not make the large ones smaller for convenience sake). Can be found under the Pathfinder Battles Subscription thread:

Well, thanks, but to be clear we do not currently have any plans to do _any_ Colossal miniatures at all.

But yeah, when we do Gargantuan minis (and we _do_ have plans for those), they'll be on the right-sized bases.

I will say, this worries me a bit. From how I read that, it sounds like Paizo will never release a Colossal mini. It would be one thing to say "We have no plans right now to make Colossal minis, but there is a good chance you probably will see them in the future." But it sounds like Erik wants to make it clear that this is something we won't ever see.

Which I find a bit odd with RotRL set coming out next year. Aren't there at least 1 or 2 key creatures from the RotRL AP that are Colossal sized?

If we don't ever see Colossal minis, it won't affect my decision to purchase Pathfinder Battles miniatures. But I won't say I wouldn't be disappointed as there are a few Colossal minis that I would really love to see.

I would hate to not see any just because of the large size of the mini and the more expensive price.

I don't know, maybe I misinterpreted Erik's response, and we could see Colossal minis down the road. But it doesn't read that way to me.

I'd say you're misreading the post. I interpret this as no plans for any of the minis they have currently planned. I just skimmed through the last four volumes of Runelords and only see one Colossal (which is not key and probably would not be your first choice as the first Colossal mini).

Perhaps I missed some (since I didn't check every MM reference). There are a lot of Gargantuans which have been previously pointed out by Paizo.

Which Colossals would you eventually like to see?

I'd say you're misreading the post. I interpret this as no plans for any of the minis they have currently planned. I just skimmed through the last four volumes of Runelords and only see one Colossal (which is not key and probably would not be your first choice as the first Colossal mini).

** spoiler omitted **

Perhaps I missed some (since I didn't check every MM reference). There are a lot of Gargantuans which have been previously pointed out by Paizo.

Which Colossals would you eventually like to see?

** spoiler omitted **

Really? I thought I had heard there were at least a couple Colossal minis in RotRL AP. Although I've never played it, and don't have it, so I can't confirm.

Yes, there aren't a whole lot of Colossal minis out there, but some I would like to see are the Tarasque, the dragons in their Great Wyrm form, and including the Linorm dragons, as well.

And I am always open to getting other Colossal minis if they are done well (which I would assume they would be) and if our group would use them. Heck, I'd probably still buy them just to have them, even if I knew we wouldn't be using them for a long time. :)

But in the end, I would just hate to see any doors closed on Colossal minis because of the size, rarity (of the creature in the campaign) and the price. I know I would buy them, and I am sure others would as well. I hope you are right and I misinterpreted Erik's response.

To be fair, the much-so-bigger-than-WizKids WotC DDM line had IIRC only one Colossal ever, the Red Dragon, at it was something of a special occurrence limited edition thingawingy.

So I wouldn't hold my breath up - I can imagine a reasonable packaging and size for Gargantuans, but Colossals are just freaking huge and demand special treatment.

To be fair, the much-so-bigger-than-WizKids WotC DDM line had IIRC only one Colossal ever, the Red Dragon, at it was something of a special occurrence limited edition thingawingy.

So I wouldn't hold my breath up - I can imagine a reasonable packaging and size for Gargantuans, but Colossals are just freaking huge and demand special treatment.

Yes, I know it has been a unique occurrence, but I was hoping it would be different this time around and see at least a couple of them at various times. I love my Red Dragon, which is why I would love to see that special treatment made for future Colossal minis.

Part of them being that huge is my draw to them, I guess. I mean if the Colossal mini just had a crap sculpt and paint job, I would bypass it, but of course I wouldn't see that happening at all with WizKids/Paizo.

Scooped?

Forgive me if someone already caught this, but pictures of the human ranger & ettin sculpts are up here.

Edit: Never mind, completely missed the posts from yesterday afternoon. I shouldn't internet on an empty stomach.

Scooped?

Forgive me if someone already caught this, but pictures of the human ranger & ettin sculpts are up here.

Also, on the Paizo blog.

To be fair, the much-so-bigger-than-WizKids WotC DDM line had IIRC only one Colossal ever, the Red Dragon, at it was something of a special occurrence limited edition thingawingy.

So I wouldn't hold my breath up - I can imagine a reasonable packaging and size for Gargantuans, but Colossals are just freaking huge and demand special treatment.

Paizo farmed out their work to Wizkids for the run-o-the-mill minis....Who's to say they don't farm out the Colossal minis to say, oh I don't know...Todd Mcfarlane's dragon division.

I work for a Plastic injection molding shop here in Wisconsin and thats exactly what we do. We take on Plastic Injection Molds from other companies to make their parts for them. Otherwise they'd have to buy the molding presses themselves...hire people to setup and run them...maintain a quality inspection system to retain part quality.

its just easier to send the work to companies who already have the presses, people and established process in place.

So, like I said, I would'nt be surprised if Paizo farmed out the work that Wizkids cannot do to other companies all the while keeping the business that WizKids can do, with Wizkids.

So, like I said, I would'nt be surprised if Paizo farmed out the work that Wizkids cannot do to other companies all the while keeping the business that WizKids can do, with Wizkids.

The only problem with that theory is that Wizkids can handle miniatures on that scale, and have in the past with Heroclix. They've done Fin Fang Foom, Galactus and the Spectre which would all be in the Colossal scale.

Cyderak wrote:

So, like I said, I would'nt be surprised if Paizo farmed out the work that Wizkids cannot do to other companies all the while keeping the business that WizKids can do, with Wizkids.

The only problem with that theory is that Wizkids can handle miniatures on that scale, and have in the past with Heroclix. They've done Fin Fang Foom, Galactus and the Spectre which would all be in the Colossal scale.

By the way, if you are looking for stand ins for Rune Giants, the Iron Rain Hill Giant from the Mage Knight line does a pretty good job and they can be gotten pretty cheap at places. The base is a little smaller so you might need to glue them to something as a bigger base, but otherwise they work well.

Cyderak wrote:

So, like I said, I would'nt be surprised if Paizo farmed out the work that Wizkids cannot do to other companies all the while keeping the business that WizKids can do, with Wizkids.

The only problem with that theory is that Wizkids can handle miniatures on that scale, and have in the past with Heroclix. They've done Fin Fang Foom, Galactus and the Spectre which would all be in the Colossal scale.

They can.

But it seemed to me like it was difficult for them to do.

Besides that, all three of those figures were super expensive.

Who knows, maybe Wizkids will do the colossal minis and we're just making un-necessary assumptions to the negative in this case.

Whether Paizo gets Wizkids to manufacture the Colossal minis or not, I'm good to go either way.

They can.

But it seemed to me like it was difficult for them to do.

Why is that? Are the Colossal minis WizKids have made in the past of lesser quality? Has there been an article stating WizKids has difficulty creating Colossal sized figures?

Either way, I know WizKids has changed their procedure and upped the quality of their minis, and I am sure that new procedure would also apply to any Colossal minis they would create.

Besides that, all three of those figures were super expensive.

Now that, I will give you. Yes, Colossal minis are going to be expensive. However, that is just the fact of the matter with minis at that size, whether WizKids makes them or another company.

Who knows, maybe Wizkids will do the colossal minis and we're just making un-necessary assumptions to the negative in this case.

Whether Paizo gets Wizkids to manufacture the Colossal minis or not, I'm good to go either way.

I certainly hope you are right in that WizKids do make the Colossal minis. However, I am like yourself, if the Colossal minis are created or not, I am still going to be buying Pathfinder Battles. Although I will admit I would be pretty disappointed if we didn't see Colossal miniatures.

If this is something that has been covered, my apologies. There are a lot of posts, and I admit I haven't been following this thread.
That said, the other day I heard that Wizkids had an exclusive deal with Alliance; as a result, the Paizo pre-painted minis will only be carried through Alliance. Is this true?
Apparently some stores don't like to get their stuff through Alliance. Don't really know why, but the store down the street is apparently one of them. The owner was complaining about it, feeling Paizo was allowing itself to be strong armed by Alliance. He then made a good point: Paizo has what is probably the #1 RPG in the country & should be strong arming Alliance.
If all of this is true, I kind of have to agree. Paizo seems to be the 800 lb gorilla in the room right now, which seems like a good place to be to get others to cooperate.
I'm not in the industry, I don't know what Alliance's deal is or why some stores don't want to deal with them, I'm just curious what the situation is.

Oh, I just noticed Seelah the Paladin and the Half-Orc Barbarian, great jobs on both!

Were those put up on accident instead of the Ettin and the Ranger? :)

Oh, I just noticed Seelah the Paladin and the Half-Orc Barbarian, great jobs on both!

Were those put up on accident instead of the Ettin and the Ranger? :)

Those were last week's previews

I'm not in the industry, I don't know what Alliance's deal is or why some stores don't want to deal with them, I'm just curious what the situation is.

I know when Alliance was new, they strong-armed/bought out some of their competitors who had lower prices, which burned a lot of bridges to those shops that were supplied by those competitors. At least that's what I have heard

Hobbun wrote:

Oh, I just noticed Seelah the Paladin and the Half-Orc Barbarian, great jobs on both!

Were those put up on accident instead of the Ettin and the Ranger? :) Those were last week's previews

Really? Completely missed them. Well, again, they look great. :)

That said, the other day I heard that Wizkids had an exclusive deal with Alliance; as a result, the Paizo pre-painted minis will only be carried through Alliance. Is this true?

No idea. Don't really care, either.

Apparently some stores don't like to get their stuff through Alliance. Don't really know why, but the store down the street is apparently one of them. The owner was complaining about it, feeling Paizo was allowing itself to be strong armed by Alliance. He then made a good point: Paizo has what is probably the #1 RPG in the country & should be strong arming Alliance.

Why should Paizo strong-arm them?

Wouldn't make any sense, anyway. If it is true, then it's between Alliance and WizKids, with Paizo not directly involved. Paizo has no business meddling in that.