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Pathfinder RPG combat comes to life on your tabletop with Heroes & Monsters, the debut release in the new Pathfinder Battles prepainted miniatures line! Produced in cooperation with Paizo Publishing, Heroes & Monsters presents a fascinating array of 40 beautifully painted miniatures perfect for use with the Pathfinder RPG or any fantasy miniatures game! From the brave Gnome Fighter to the mighty evil lich, Heroes & Monsters offers a wide range of player characters and dungeon denizens that make a perfect start to your Pathfinder Battles collection!

  • Heroes & Monsters Standard Boosters contain 1 Medium or 2 Small miniatures.
  • Heroes & Monsters Large Boosters contain 1 Large miniature.
  • Heroes & Monsters Bricks contain 16 Standard Boosters and 3 Large Boosters.
  • Heroes & Monsters Cases contain 4 Bricks (64 Standard Boosters and 12 Large Boosters).

Purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick. Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases should get a nearly complete set of figures. (As with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed.)

Begin your Pathfinder Battles collection today! The Heroes & Monsters of the Pathfinder world await!

See the press release for questions and answers about this exciting new product line.


Heroes & Monsters Set List

CommonUncommon
1  Goblin Warrior (Red)
2  Goblin Hero (Red)
3  Goblin Warrior (Blue)
4  Goblin Hero (Blue)
5  Orc Brute
6  Orc Warrior
7  Skeleton
8  Watch Guard
9  Watch Officer
10  Lizardfolk Champion
11  Zombie
12  Giant Spider
13  Wolf
14  Venomous Snake
15  Mummy
16  Human Rogue
17  Human Ranger
18  Elf Wizard
19  Half-Elf Cleric
20  Dwarf Fighter
21  Human Druid
22  Gnome Fighter
23  Dire Rat
Rare
24  Gargoyle
25  Half-Orc Barbarian
26  Spectre
27  Seelah, Human Paladin
28  Werewolf
29  Medusa
30  Minotaur
31  Ogre
32  Troll
33  Ettin
34  Chimera
35  Manticore
36  Giant Caveweaver Spider
37  Frost Giant
38  Succubus
39  Lich
40  Vampire

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Too Much $$$

2/5

I hate to be a bad mouth, and I am honestly not motivated here by vehemence. This figs just cost way too much for what you get ESPECIALLY because they are random and plastic.

I am not saying there is anything better out there - as far as I can tell there isn't. My local store is 1 of 2 significant stores, in a metro area of around half a million folks. The store I frequent has yet to sell out of the ORIGINAL , the 2nd line has barely sold at all, and he has refused to order anything else. It just doesn't sell. And its not placement - they are quite actually the first and last thing you see when you enter his store.

When I bought DND mini's the price for randoms eventually became to high for me and I was able to still get the minis I wanted by buying singles. So far, everything I have seen indicates the singles market is incredibly over-inflated.

So, quality wise they are top notch. The paint jobs and sculpts are in every way superior to what I have seen anywhere else here in America. There are foreign companies doing comparable work in similar markets, but that is irrelevant to this review.

For me though, the final thing comes down to money. They are too expensive.


Individual figures

2/5

I would be more willing to buy these if one could select individual figures desiered rather than getting a "Grab Bag (box)" of unknowns.


Vibrant, but Overpriced

2/5

I didn't even want to buy any originally because of the price, but I decided to grab 3 small (1 medium or 2 small figures each) and 1 large (1 large figure) boxes. This cost me $19 before taxes and I ended up with 1 large and 3 medium figures. When D&D Miniatures was producing boosters I would pay $15 or $16 before taxes to get 8 figures and I'm pretty sure there was 1 large per booster.

I then placed them side by side with the D&D Miniatures I have and I would say the quality is about the same, but the Pathfinder minis are more vibrant. The D&D minis though each came with a stat card and could be used to play a separate minis tactical game.

Even if I were to get 2 small figures in each of the small boxes of Pathfinder minis I purchased I'd have 7 figures. For $3 or $4 less I would have 1-4 more figures and I never remember seeing a full booster of D&D minis as small figures, maybe half at most.

I really like the Pathfinder RPG books, but I'm sorry, I won't be buying any more minis because I think they're overpriced. Maybe I'm just behind times though because I know the D&D minis are not being produced any more, but I can still buy singles for $1 each for commons and uncommons.


1-2 random for HOW MUCH!

1/5

For random minis, the pricing is obscene. Tack on a buck and let me know what I am Getting. The local store has yet to sell out of the Original Brick. And from what I have seen, the sculpts and painting is so sub-par.
As much as I hate the Paper Minis, I will take those over these in a heartbeat.


Excellent Beginning Run.

5/5

I have just gotten into my box set that I recieved (in no specific order). Individual Review will be added later.

Box 1:

Frost Giant
Ogre
Troll
Skeleton
Venomous Snake
Spectre
Red Goblin Hero
Red Goblin Warrior
Giant Spider
Zombie
Watch Officer
Watch Guard
Dire Rat
Medusa
Half-Elf Cleric
Vampire
Human Rogue
Wolf
Gnome Fighter
Human Ranger
Seelah, Human Paladin

Box 2:

Manticore
Ogre
Troll
Succubus
Human Rogue
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Hero
Blue Goblin Hero
Red Goblin Warrior
Red Goblin Hero
Gnome Fighter
Dire Rat
Skeleton
Human Ranger
Spectre
Seelah, Human Paladin
Lizardfolk Champion
Watch Guard
Medusa
Venomous Snake
Giant Spider
Orc Warrior

Box 3:

Ettin
Minotaur
Chimera
Orc Warrior
Zombie
Giant Spider
Watch Officer
Werewolf
Lizardfolk Champion
Wolf
Mummy
Elf Wizard
Half-Elf Cleric
Blue Goblin Hero
Blue Goblin Warrior
Half-Orc Barbarian
Dwarf Fighter
Lich
Human Druid
Gargoyle

Box 4:

Ettin
Giant Caveweaver Spider
Troll
Spectre
Zombie
Mummy
Elf Wizard
Human Druid
Wolf
Watch Officer
Giant Spider
Medusa
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Hero
Half-Elf Cleric
Skeleton
Werewolf
Venomous Snake
Succubus
Orc Brute

Final Count:

Red Goblin Warrior x2
Red Goblin Hero x2
Blue Goblin Warrior x4
Blue Goblin Hero x4
Orc Brute
Orc Warrior x2
Skeleton x3
Watch Guard x2
Watch Officer x3
Lizardfolk Champion x2
Zombie x3
Giant Spider x4
Wolf x3
Venomous Snake x3
Mummy x2
Human Rogue x2
Human Ranger x2
Elf Wizard x2
Half-Elf Cleric x3
Dwarf Fighter
Human Druid x2
Gnome Fighter x2
Dire Rat x2
Gargoyle
Half-Orc Barbarian
Spectre x3
Seelah, Human Paladin x2
Werewolf x2
Medusa x3
Minotaur
Ogre x2
Troll x3
Ettin x2
Chimera
Manticore
Giant Caveweaver Spider
Frost Giant
Succubus x2
Lich
Vampire

84 Minis, out a minimum 76, and was able to get the full collection. I can safely say that I am over all pleased, though I was hoping for more humanoid opponents, but can't be to grumpy since I did get a full collection, with a few doubles of key members. Add to this the ones Irecieved from random Store Boughts as well as a minion order from this site and the six-man Evil Booster and you have a good assortment of minis to choose from.


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Scarab Sages

These are the results from my second sealed case:

Common
1 Goblin Warrior (Red) - 2
2 Goblin Hero (Red) - 2
3 Goblin Warrior (Blue) - 2
4 Goblin Hero (Blue) - 2
5 Orc Brute - 4
6 Orc Warrior - 2
7 Skeleton - 4
8 Watch Guard - 2
9 Watch Officer - 2
10 Lizardfolk Champion - 4
11 Zombie - 3
12 Giant Spider - 2
13 Wolf - 1

Uncommon
14 Venomous Snake - 2
15 Mummy - 2
16 Human Rogue - 2
17 Human Ranger - 2
18 Elf Wizard - 3
19 Half-Elf Cleric - 2
20 Dwarf Fighter - 3
21 Human Druid - 2
22 Gnome Fighter - 2
23 Dire Rat - 2

Rare
24 Gargoyle - 2
25 Half-Orc Barbarian - 2
26 Spectre - 2
27 Seelah, Human Paladin - 2
28 Werewolf - 1
29 Medusa - 3
30 Minotaur - 1
31 Ogre - 2
32 Troll - 2
33 Ettin - 3
34 Chimera - 1
35 Manticore - 1
36 Giant Caveweaver Spider - 1
37 Frost Giant - 1
38 Succubus - 1
39 Lich - 2
40 Vampire - 1

82 total minis (32 common; 22 uncommon; 28 rare). Brick 1 contained 21 minis (9 C; 5 U; 7 R). Brick 2 contained 21 minis (8 C; 6 U; 7 R). Brick 3 contained 19 minis (7 C; 5 U; 7 R). Brick 4 contained 21 minis (8 C; 6 U; 7 R). No broken minis, and all boxes were sealed.

These are the totals for my two sealed cases:

Common
1 Goblin Warrior (Red) - 4
2 Goblin Hero (Red) - 4
3 Goblin Warrior (Blue) - 6
4 Goblin Hero (Blue) - 6
5 Orc Brute - 7
6 Orc Warrior - 4
7 Skeleton - 7
8 Watch Guard - 4
9 Watch Officer - 5
10 Lizardfolk Champion - 6
11 Zombie - 6
12 Giant Spider - 4
13 Wolf - 3

Uncommon
14 Venomous Snake - 4
15 Mummy - 5
16 Human Rogue - 4
17 Human Ranger - 5
18 Elf Wizard - 6
19 Half-Elf Cleric - 3
20 Dwarf Fighter - 5
21 Human Druid - 5
22 Gnome Fighter - 3
23 Dire Rat - 3

Rare
24 Gargoyle - 5
25 Half-Orc Barbarian - 4
26 Spectre - 3
27 Seelah, Human Paladin - 4
28 Werewolf - 2
29 Medusa - 6
30 Minotaur - 3
31 Ogre - 3
32 Troll - 5
33 Ettin - 5
34 Chimera - 2
35 Manticore - 2
36 Giant Caveweaver Spider - 2
37 Frost Giant - 2
38 Succubus - 3
39 Lich - 3
40 Vampire - 2

All in all, very pleased with the sculpts and paint jobs on these minis. A fine first effort. I am looking forward to better use of washes and fixing of scale issues on future minis.


I was surprised to see at my FLGS that the individual minis are not sealed. Since this is a randomized product with some minis rarer than others, what that means is that the minis had most likely been picked over and the rarer units taken already. I guess the only way to guarantee a random distribution is to buy a sealed case.


Will there be an announcement soon in regards to the first Encounter Pack? I was pretty happy with my distribution of the two cases I had purchased, but I was thinking of maybe buying a few more commons to have a few more of those enemies you see a lot of (orcs, skeletons, etc). However, will wait if I find out an actual Encounter Pack is coming out with what I need.


So, I got my case and I will entitle this post The Good, The Bad and The Ugly...

Good news, got a full set from the case I ordered and have a dragon on the way so am pretty pleased. The miniatures on a whole are a really good looking set and I loved the packaging for them. Very schmick.

I am in love with my goblins, having received 1 booster of each they make a nice little horde of 8 :) They look really good in comparison with other pre painted minis of goblins. Followed up with the orcs (brute and warrior) I have a nice little bunch of green skins. The orcs look cool, but nowhere near as cool as the goblins...

The skeletons are great. I got 4 of them and they look fantastic. As good as the painted ones I did many years ago for a tabletop board game so kudos for the skellies.

I got a mixture of 5 of the watch guard and officer and while I like the look of the miniature the paint job makes them very bland to look at. Still, good for a town encounter of course and that is the essence of what I bought these for.

The lizard folk champion looks great. I totally love him and as I am running the Serpent Skull Adventure Path at the moment they will sub nicely when I need a serpent folk mini (I know not the same but similar at least). The next, the zombie looks very cool but has to fall under the bad cos I only got 1 of them and I love undead games. Commons my bottom!

The next group is where this miniature set shines. The almost "natural" critters look amazing! They are so colourful and look awesome. I think the snake "may" be my favourite miniature in the set. Time will tell. I received three a piece of the giant spiders, wolves and the venomous snake (the snake is meant to be uncommon) which is very useful to me while the players are on Smuggler's Shiv...

The mummy is a little bland for me. I would have liked to have seen some more of the mummy's flesh poking through less bandages, but I have an adventure with a mummy in the works so it will fit OK I guess. The following 3 minis, human rogue, human ranger and elf wizard look good but I would say if I was a player I would only be proud to pick up the ranger mini and say that is my character. The Elf wizard ears make her look like a human cat. Way too prominent. The rogue is versatile but lacks detail.

The last of the uncommons look pretty good and are mainly character pieces again. The half-elf cleric is very impressive as is the gnome fighter and the Dire Rat looks awesome too. The Dwarf fighter looks pretty cool except I would have liked an action stance for him but the detail is nice. The druid does not scream druid to me. It does say pathfinder, or scout, but not druid. Still, it is a very nice character figure none the less.

So, on to the rare. The gargoyle is nice but plain. It would have been nice to include some moss or erosion or something on him but a great crafted mini. The half-orc barbarian is probably my favourite character mini. Detailed and looks great. The spectre took me aback when I opened it as I had no idea what it was, but it has really grown on me, which is lucky because it is only one of two rares I got three of... An encounter with three spectres sends chills down my (players) spines.

Seelah, the paladin is too colourful and too sliver I think. She is cool, but too much silver for me, although probably a typical paladin. The werewolf looks awesome, if a bit top heavy and the medusa is very, very sultry and very, very cool. Not keen on using medusa in my adventures but I may just make an exception now I have this mini...

The minotaur was the last miniature I opened and he looks fab. All brooding and dangerous, as a minotaur ought to, fit with a bit of blood on his axe. The ogre is the other rare I got three of. His face is cool but I have to say he is the miniature that screams plastic at me. Block colours and bulky. Also, and here comes one of the two BAD mentions, the first miniature I opened was an ogre and it was broken. His club sheared right off at the hand. I was not a happy camper. I will be able to repair it with a little bit of drilling, pin and superglue, but I was meant to get these miniatures and be able to work with them straight out of the box, no modelling required. The troll is cool. I like the different take on trolls visually that pathfinder has and these will definitely be used in my games.

The Ettin is a great miniature. The heads look great and the whole miniature works well. The chimera is absolutely fantastic and made me laugh out loud when I got it. Great work on this one. The manticore is a little unsettling with it's face, which at first I did not like, but after consideration now think it is really quite a good thing. You should be unsettled by the manticore :)

Now, if the snake does not turn out to be my favourite miniature one of the next two will. The Giant Caveweaver spider is brilliant. It is big, detailed, got a nasty coloured pattern on the back. And oh yeah, may have mentioned it but it is BIG! Then there is the frost giant. Great detailed miniature with not one but two weapons for him, that just plug in to the arm. Brilliant. Very very clever.

The final three... The succubus looks very cool and is a great miniature. I love the lich and recognised him immediately. Here is a miniature that WILL strike fear into the hearts of my players. Now the vampire contains the second BAD for my set. It is a very cool sculpted miniature, and included as a picture on the side of the boxes too. The problem is on mine there is NO gold edging on it anywhere. In every picture of this mini that has been advertised and displayed it features gold. On mine there is just a lighter grey. It gives this miniature a very washed out look and makes a great miniature very, very average.

So there you have it. The good, the bad and the ugly. I am about to go and put this review on Google+ attached with photos of all of my miniatures as well so you can see what I am seeing too. Just add me to your circles or look for my post as it will be public. Overall I am pleased with the miniatures but the purchase was not incident free. Just can't wait to see my black dragon when he arrives later in the post :)

Lantern Lodge

Griar wrote:

I was surprised to see at my FLGS that the individual minis are not sealed. Since this is a randomized product with some minis rarer than others, what that means is that the minis had most likely been picked over and the rarer units taken already. I guess the only way to guarantee a random distribution is to buy a sealed case.

Lisa touched on this earlier:

Lisa Stevens wrote:

We checked into this. It was a problem with the first part of the shipment and was caught part way through shipping out the miniatures. It was a mistake at the factory and the last part of the print run got fixed. At least that is what we have been told. Wizkids did NOT want the boosters to be untaped, but things happen and we are going to have to deal with this one. I bet they are going to be 300% more careful for the next set.

-Lisa


I bought a brick from the FLGS and I'm waiting for the complete set that I ordered from Auggies to arrive. Just a few thoughts now that I've seen the minis in hand:

1. Make.More.Dragons.Please! The promo dragon is superb!

2. In the future, have whoever sculpted the Ezrin, Kyra, and Gnome Fighter figures sculpt all PC figures. These figures are accurately scaled with great details and correct proportions. I was disapointed with the half-elf cleric (weird proportions), Elf Sorceress (misshapen head with odd ears), and the dwarf (too large).

3. A little wash goes a long way: the half-orc barbarian is a great sculpt but the paint job was ruined by too much wash; his skin is splotchy black in places with the wash build-up and the right side of his face is completely obscured by the black wash.

4. Both of the spiders were awesome! Great design and superb painting!

5. I like the size of the ogre but its proportions are just too wonky. The arms are cartoonishly big for the body. I'm not a fan of the albino-like skin coloring, either, but that is a small quibble.

6. Goblins Rule!

In all, this is a great first effort but there is room for improvement. Looking forward to ROTRL!

Regards,

V


Here are some comparisons of the Giants and other companies' (mainly DDM).

Here is some demi-humans (dwarf, gnome, goblin, orc, lizardfolk) and the dragon with comparisons.

Silver Crusade

Which are your top 5 and bottom 5 ? Here are mind

#1 Black dargon
#2 Cave weaver spider
#3 Paladin
#4 Dire Rat
#5 Spectre

The Worst
#5 Zombie
#4 Mummy
#3 Chimera
#2 Human Rogue
#1 Ettin

Liberty's Edge

Thehigher cause wrote:

Which are your top 5 and bottom 5 ? Here are mind

#1 Black dargon
#2 Cave weaver spider
#3 Paladin
#4 Dire Rat
#5 Spectre

The Worst
#5 Zombie
#4 Mummy
#3 Chimera
#2 Human Rogue
#1 Ettin

I don't have mine in hand yet, but I have been reading up quite a bit. I've seen enough complaints to see why #2-#5 made the worst list, but I have seen nothing but praise for the Ettin. I am curious what issue you have with it.


Hey, I saw your displeasure with the orc in the set and I agree 100%. If you want some really good orc figures, check out Reaper's orcs, particularly the black orcs. They are a little larger and much more menacing. You will have to paint them, of course. But even if you have never painted before, Reaper's orcs are great figures to start with. Very easy to paint and they still look amazing. I can send you pix of mine, if you'd like to see what they can look like when painted?


Donald Barrett wrote:
Hey, I saw your displeasure with the orc in the set and I agree 100%. If you want some really good orc figures, check out Reaper's orcs, particularly the black orcs. They are a little larger and much more menacing. You will have to paint them, of course. But even if you have never painted before, Reaper's orcs are great figures to start with. Very easy to paint and they still look amazing. I can send you pix of mine, if you'd like to see what they can look like when painted?

Sorry, this was supposed to be for In_digo. I accidentally erased her quote before posting.

Grand Lodge

Donald,
May I ask what is it with the self promoting of the Reaper Miniature while nice is not necessary at all. There are always going to be "better" miniatures out there somewhere. What Pathfinder PPM's provide us though is a form of painted miniatures that some people find convenient and while not all of them are going to be as good as what I can paint of the Reaper Mini's or even some other brand. I like them because they are convenient!!

This set represents to me a set of minis that I as a DM can readily put on the table quickly and with a decent representation of the idea of what the mini looks like without having to spend hours upon hours of painting minis to do so. While not all of them might be up to my exacting standards as a painter, as a DM they are great because of their convenience alone. So again your advertising is just that self promotion of wanting to show something better and not needed.

Silver Crusade

Laschoni wrote:
Thehigher cause wrote:

Which are your top 5 and bottom 5 ? Here are mind

#1 Black dargon
#2 Cave weaver spider
#3 Paladin
#4 Dire Rat
#5 Spectre

The Worst
#5 Zombie
#4 Mummy
#3 Chimera
#2 Human Rogue
#1 Ettin

I don't have mine in hand yet, but I have been reading up quite a bit. I've seen enough complaints to see why #2-#5 made the worst list, but I have seen nothing but praise for the Ettin. I am curious what issue you have with it.

The ettin figure itself low on details and clearly too large to fit on a large base. And the paint job is substandard at best. There better ettins from the DDM sets.

Also making my list of okay or less are: Succubus, Ogre, Elf wizard, and while the dwarf figure is good its too big.

Dark Archive Contributor

I for one love the freer art style of the Pathfinder Battles minis. The ogre, for example, is far more monstrous and dynamic than the dark, too-human interpretations I've seen from other companies.

Very happy with my case.

Silver Crusade

Are there pictures of all the pieces somewhere? Even a really large image with all the pieces would be good. And is the box in the image the same as a "Case"? Or is it an actual case, with the miniatures in it. Looking at this product I find it somewhat confusing to figure out what's in it.

Also, what scale are they?


Michael New wrote:

Are there pictures of all the pieces somewhere? Even a really large image with all the pieces would be good. And is the box in the image the same as a "Case"? Or is it an actual case, with the miniatures in it. Looking at this product I find it somewhat confusing to figure out what's in it.

Also, what scale are they?

Here is a site with images.

Here are some comparisons of the Giants and other companies' (mainly DDM).

Here is some demi-humans (dwarf, gnome, goblin, orc, lizardfolk) and the dragon with comparisons.

As for the "case" image, it is actually an image of a "brick". The case is actually a cardboard shipping box with four bricks in it.

Liberty's Edge

I generally like this first run. Compared to the first DDM series (Harbinger), these are very impressive. The sculpts that are based on actual Pathfinder illustrations are very well executed and the number and accuracy of paint steps on each figure are very good.

My three complaints are that the troll is too small (only about 10% bigger than the orc brute), the plastic is more bittle than I am used to and the entire line could have used a hit of brown wash to bring out the details and make them look a little less flat.

So, not bad guys. I'll definitely be buying more.


Donald Barrett wrote:
Hey, I saw your displeasure with the orc in the set and I agree 100%. If you want some really good orc figures, check out Reaper's orcs, particularly the black orcs. They are a little larger and much more menacing. You will have to paint them, of course. But even if you have never painted before, Reaper's orcs are great figures to start with. Very easy to paint and they still look amazing. I can send you pix of mine, if you'd like to see what they can look like when painted?

Sadly, Reaper is the only ones who have been able to make orcs look right in miniatures (in my opinion)... but only for their metal minis. Reaper's plastic orcs looks like the same junky plastic orcs everyone else makes. Paizo's are only slightly better. The Orc brute looks a little too much like Shrek to me. His face is too round and puffy, and he is far too bright greenish. The Orc Warrior is better though. It's still no where as cool looking as Reaper's metal orcs, but it is fairly close to being one of the best pre-painted mini orcs I have seen.


Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
Sadly, Reaper is the only ones who have been able to make orcs look right in miniatures (in my opinion)...

Can you give some details as to what characters you are looking for in an orc miniature?

Silver Crusade

Xuttah wrote:

I generally like this first run. Compared to the first DDM series (Harbinger), these are very impressive. The sculpts that are based on actual Pathfinder illustrations are very well executed and the number and accuracy of paint steps on each figure are very good.

My three complaints are that the troll is too small (only about 10% bigger than the orc brute), the plastic is more bittle than I am used to and the entire line could have used a hit of brown wash to bring out the details and make them look a little less flat.

So, not bad guys. I'll definitely be buying more.

I generally also liked the set, I'm not sure that the first DDM would be best set to look at.


Kor - Orc Scrollkeeper wrote:
The Orc brute looks a little too much like Shrek to me. His face is too round and puffy, and he is far too bright greenish.

I'm thinking of dipping an Orc Brute with Minwax antique walnut satin to give it a better green. I made my first attempt at the dip method this afternoon using a Heroclix Skaar and a few other test pieces. Skaar also has light green skin, though a different shade. The post-dip color came out well, more orc-ish.

RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Some pictures to show the packaging details and relative scale of some of the minis.

Shadow Lodge

Hey, did anyone else get the gargantuan black monster in their case?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=342153059136061&set=a.1043861095 79425.8748.100000241102014&type=3&theater

(Didn't think there was a way to post a pic so I set it up through my facebook page)

Sczarni

Shadow Sorceress wrote:


(Didn't think there was a way to post a pic so I set it up through my facebook page)

your link doesn't seem to work

Silver Crusade

pres man wrote:
Michael New wrote:

Are there pictures of all the pieces somewhere? Even a really large image with all the pieces would be good. And is the box in the image the same as a "Case"? Or is it an actual case, with the miniatures in it. Looking at this product I find it somewhat confusing to figure out what's in it.

Also, what scale are they?

Here is a site with images.

Here are some comparisons of the Giants and other companies' (mainly DDM).

Here is some demi-humans (dwarf, gnome, goblin, orc, lizardfolk) and the dragon with comparisons.

As for the "case" image, it is actually an image of a "brick". The case is actually a cardboard shipping box with four bricks in it.

Cool, thank you!

Liberty's Edge

Thehigher cause wrote:

I generally also liked the set, I'm not sure

that the first DDM would be best set to look at.

Comparing first set to first set. The big changes in technology might not make it a fair comparison though. Still needs a wash though. :)


Are the large boosters really unavailable already?

Shadow Lodge

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
Shadow Sorceress wrote:


(Didn't think there was a way to post a pic so I set it up through my facebook page)
your link doesn't seem to work

Thanks for letting me know, I'll have to see if there's another way to post the pic.

Liberty's Edge

I got all 40 minis in my case, as did my dad. Nice job on the distribution.

Grand Lodge

Dave Gross wrote:

I for one love the freer art style of the Pathfinder Battles minis. The ogre, for example, is far more monstrous and dynamic than the dark, too-human interpretations I've seen from other companies.

Very happy with my case.

I too like the Ogre. It is pure Pathfinder. It conveys the warped in-bread menace that is an Ogre. This Ogre is surely no Shrek. And that is a good thing. My party is about to venture to the Hook Mountains. This Ogre will immediately come in handy.

Later,

Mazra


I still remember the first time I faced that in-bread menace... Luckily I had turned him into toast already.

Scarab Sages

I am a self-proclaimed D&D minis fanatic. While my collection does not completely cross the line into hoarding it certainly dances across that line on occaision.

So when WotC announce the end of their D&D minis line I was rather sad. Say what you will about random pre-painted plastic minis in a box (and yes I know there are a lot of 'haters' out there), I amassed a far greater and useful collection this way than I ever did in the days of the metal minis from Ral Partha and Grenadier.

To put some perspective on this I have something in the neighborhood of 5000 WotC minis. Yes I probably could stand to sell a few.

Nonetheless I was very excited when I heard about Paizo launching a pre-painted plastic minis line. While I love to paint minis I just don't have the time anymore and I have a shelf full of unpainted 40K, Warhammer and LotR minis that "I'll get around to someday." So buying more unpainted Pathfinder metal minis as cool as they might look was really out of the question. (The first step is admitting you have a problem).

I guess I didnt pay attention to how these were going to be packaged because when I went to my FLGS this past Saturday I was really shocked at how tiny the box was. Then I realized it must only hold one mini. "Well 3.99 for one mini, I guess thats not bad." I thought to myself.

The girl behind the counter (yep I said girl, and yep she works at a comic / game store, and yep she even reads comics and plays games. No she does not look like Penny from BBT. No I am still not going to tell you where she works.) says to me "a bit smaller than you expected?"

I had to snigger (thats usually my line). "Uh, well, yeah actually."

The comic book shop girl then went on to explain they were single minis, and randomly packed.

"Randomly packed? WTF?"

I had to buy one. Somehow I managed to keep my minis hoarding urge under control enough to buy but one. Actually it was not that great a feat, I felt obliged to buy one, but thats a different story.

I got out to my car and popped open the packaging (thinking "this is terribly un-green packaging especially for a left-coast company, I sure hope its at least recyclable"), and I got a gargoyle. Its a gargoyle. meh. Decent looking enough for a gargoyle, and I found out later a rare, but not something I would have picked if I had had a choice.

That very night, also happened to be game night at mi casa. I showed my most recent minis procurement to the shall I say less than astounded group of 30 and 40 something year old gamers.

The sentiment was mutual. Who in the world thought it was a good idea to package single mini's randomly? Was someone trying to make this fail on purpose?

Loads of people hated WotC random minis, but at least you got multiple minis in a box, and you always got commons, uncommons and rares. So even if you got a duplicate rare you often could sell it or trade it.
But this? a single random mini in a box is a travesty.

Would it really have cost that much extra to put a window on the box?

Does this make sense to anyone?

I have generally been a big fan of Paizo. I loved the Pathfinder core book, and the Adv Players Guide was in my mind the best supplemental players book ever published. So it pains me to ask "What were you thinking?!"

Next go around either ditch the whole random thing and show us what we are paying for or go the WotC route and package multiples in a box.

The starter box set of heroes was awesome. I did not feel even remotely bad about plunking down 13 dollars for that set.

Box o Goblins? Sure I'd buy it. Single Randomly Pack Minis (SRPM) not so much.

Grand Lodge

Who do I contact about getting a replacement hand for my Frost Giant? he came with 2 axe hands instead of one axe hand and one sword hand, lol.


@ Drego Morthaine: Single minis are available in the Paizo store.

@ godsDMit: Quoted from earlier in the thread

Sara Marie wrote:


Support for the minis will be going through Wizkids. They have a support site for issues with miniatures here: http://wizkidsgames.com/support/


Drego Morthain wrote:

To put some perspective on this I have something in the neighborhood of 5000 WotC minis.

Who in the world thought it was a good idea to package single mini's randomly? Was someone trying to make this fail on purpose?

A few thoughts on this.

First, WizKids produces both the single miniature format and the normal multiple miniatures per booster format for their flagship Heroclix line. The single miniature boosters work well as a cheap impulse buy item to get people to look at the game. WizKids hopes it will work the same for this new line they are introducing to the community. It got you to buy a booster.

Second, anybody serious about the miniatures will buy a brick or a case. A brick will generally not have duplicate minis and a case will generally result in a complete set of all 40 minis (failure rate seems < 1%).

Third, the next set will be the normal multiple miniatures per case.

Lastly, with the size of your DDM collection you obviously bought cases and you know that buying cases are better than buying individual boosters. So why are you bothered by this when you are a case person?


Drego Morthain wrote:
The sentiment was mutual. Who in the world thought it was a good idea to package single mini's randomly?

Believe it or not, somewhere in the 2,200+ posts in this thread, there was someone who thought as you do. The topic has been beaten into a pulp so smooth that it can pass through a coffee filter. That said, clearly that's a lot of posts to wade through and I absolutely don't blame you for not doing it. Let's just say... about 1,900 of them revolve around the random distribution.

So here's the summary of what you need to know:

1} If it weren't for the random distribution, the set could not exist. The economics simply don't allow for any other distribution model. Some models are cheap to make and won't sell in sufficient volume to turn profit. Some models are expensive to make and won't sell at the price they'd need to be to turn profit. By subsidizing the expensive models by raising the price of the cheap models, thereby coming up with an average price, a set has good value. The problem is that if distribution is not random, buyers will cherry-pick the expensive models at the average price, netting a loss. Blind boxes allow an averaging.

2} As Joana mentioned, Paizo has cracked open the random boxes (note: Paizo was shipped random boxes just like anyone else) and is offering singles up for sale. The per-mini price is - in many cases - significantly higher than the random boxes.

Take a look at the singles non-blind pricing. That should give you an idea what the relative production costs are.

Nobody wants random distribution. But given the alternative is not having these minis, I will defend the decision unto death.

Silver Crusade

Drego Morthain wrote:

I am a self-proclaimed D&D minis fanatic. While my collection does not completely cross the line into hoarding it certainly dances across that line on occaision.

So when WotC announce the end of their D&D minis line I was rather sad. Say what you will about random pre-painted plastic minis in a box (and yes I know there are a lot of 'haters' out there), I amassed a far greater and useful collection this way than I ever did in the days of the metal minis from Ral Partha and Grenadier.

To put some perspective on this I have something in the neighborhood of 5000 WotC minis. Yes I probably could stand to sell a few.

Nonetheless I was very excited when I heard about Paizo launching a pre-painted plastic minis line. While I love to paint minis I just don't have the time anymore and I have a shelf full of unpainted 40K, Warhammer and LotR minis that "I'll get around to someday." So buying more unpainted Pathfinder metal minis as cool as they might look was really out of the question. (The first step is admitting you have a problem).

I guess I didnt pay attention to how these were going to be packaged because when I went to my FLGS this past Saturday I was really shocked at how tiny the box was. Then I realized it must only hold one mini. "Well 3.99 for one mini, I guess thats not bad." I thought to myself.

The girl behind the counter (yep I said girl, and yep she works at a comic / game store, and yep she even reads comics and plays games. No she does not look like Penny from BBT. No I am still not going to tell you where she works.) says to me "a bit smaller than you expected?"

I had to snigger (thats usually my line). "Uh, well, yeah actually."

The comic book shop girl then went on to explain they were single minis, and randomly packed.

"Randomly packed? WTF?"

I had to buy one. Somehow I managed to keep my minis hoarding urge under control enough to buy but one. Actually it was not that great a feat, I felt obliged to buy one, but thats a different story.

I got out to my car and...

I agree with many of your points, this packaging has got to produce more waste had figure. While there a number of good figures, I will not be buying more sets. I simply but to nice ones.

Silver Crusade

Xuttah wrote:
Thehigher cause wrote:

I generally also liked the set, I'm not sure

that the first DDM would be best set to look at.
Comparing first set to first set. The big changes in technology might not make it a fair comparison though. Still needs a wash though. :)

Agreed, also and few figure could be much improved with some extra details.

Grand Lodge

re:Drego

Wow, guy. Thanks for the window into your world.


I actually think one mini in a box is clever -- it puts them well down into the impulse purchase range. While I personally find them too expensive to buy in quantity (they way I did DDM), I realize that others may feel differently.


Drego: I'm quite happy with my case. Why didn't you buy 5 boosters, for the ~$20 that you would have spent on a pack of random boosters? You aren't guaranteed to get two to three commons, two to three uncommons, and zero to one rare, with no duplicates. If you bought adjacent boosters out of the same brick, you would have (based on a detailed teardown of about 5 different cases). People who might make a impulse buy for $5 might not make one for $20.

Grand Lodge

Drego Morthain wrote:

The comic book shop girl then went on to explain they were single minis, and randomly packed.

"Randomly packed? WTF?"

I had to buy one. Somehow I managed to keep my minis hoarding urge under control enough to buy but one. Actually it was not that great a feat, I felt obliged to buy one, but thats a different story.

I got out to my car and...

Well if you buy 20 dollars worth of minis then you get a nice assortment of commons, rares and uncommons too. What is wrong with that? Or you can complain about the one box you bought and not get any more and then... um paint them yourself?

This is what Wizkids decided to do and I am all for it. I enjoy the minis I got and have a great assortment. if you base the entirety of the set on one mini... then that is a travesty and you are missing out on the overall all beauty of the set itself. Either way it is up to you. 5K minis should last you a while if that is the case I guess.

Scarab Sages

I believe my two cases arrived today! I can not wait to crack them open!

Andrew of Australia.

Scarab Sages

Just opened first brick... Nice mix except I got a Half Orc Barbarian figure on a werewolf base!


Masika wrote:
Just opened first brick... Nice mix except I got a Half Orc Barbarian figure on a werewolf base!

If you can, please post the contents of each case in the case content experience thread.

Liberty's Edge

I got some over the weekend very nice!

Thanks Erik and Lisa for making these possible.

Mike


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godsDMit wrote:
Who do I contact about getting a replacement hand for my Frost Giant? he came with 2 axe hands instead of one axe hand and one sword hand, lol.

Ooooo! You got the ultra rare variant: two axes with different weapon qualities! IIRC, one is a keen axe and the other is thundering.

Grand Lodge

Damon Griffin wrote:
godsDMit wrote:
Who do I contact about getting a replacement hand for my Frost Giant? he came with 2 axe hands instead of one axe hand and one sword hand, lol.
Ooooo! You got the ultra rare variant: two axes with different weapon qualities! IIRC, one is a keen axe and the other is thundering.

LOL

After visiting the Wizkids site to try to get a replacement piece, and finding that the site has no explanation of what to do whatsoever or even an address you need to mail the piece in, what to include or ANYTHING else that might be remotely helpful in the process, I decided to forget it, and just hope someone locally or on the boards pulls one with 2 swords and wants to trade.

Ive heard good things about Wizkids customer service, but that site was completely bare of information other than how to create an account and how to create a package. Nothing else though.

Grand Lodge

Bought one brick, here is the breakdown:

1 Goblin Warrior (Red)
2 Goblin Hero (Red)
5 Orc Brute
8 Watch Guard
9 Watch Officer
10 Lizardfolk Champion
11 Zombie
13 Wolf
14 Venomous Snake
16 Human Rogue
17 Human Ranger
19 Half-Elf Cleric
22 Gnome Fighter
23 Dire Rat
27 Seelah, Human Paladin
28 Werewolf
29 Medusa
30 Minotaur
32 Troll
37 Frost Giant
40 Vampire

Shadow Lodge

I didn't get a case but I did order the figures I wanted from the secondary market. I really loved the goblins. I bought six of those to compliment my reaper Goblin commando and Warchanter (makes a well rounded goblin raiding party). I also bought several of the two orc models (lol Shrek) to compliment the reaper female ogre shaman, and black orc warlord (looks close enough to Shrek).

I also bought the lich, medusa, snake, spectre and a couple of the two models of town guards. I got all of them on ebay from the same seller for less than $30 (6 goblins, 6 orcs, 3 town guards, 2 town guards with lantern, lich, medusa, snake). These were the only ones I really wanted (either have something for the rest of them or didn't like the look). I might buy the black dragon, however, I have a bunch of dragons already so I will probably talk myself out of it.

As others have said - these look really good. Not as good as a metal mini with a half decent paint job, but better than my D&D minis.

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