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Pathfinder RPG combat comes to life on your tabletop with Heroes & Monsters, the debut release in the new Pathfinder Battles prepainted miniatures line! Produced in cooperation with Paizo Publishing, Heroes & Monsters presents a fascinating array of 40 beautifully painted miniatures perfect for use with the Pathfinder RPG or any fantasy miniatures game! From the brave Gnome Fighter to the mighty evil lich, Heroes & Monsters offers a wide range of player characters and dungeon denizens that make a perfect start to your Pathfinder Battles collection!

  • Heroes & Monsters Standard Boosters contain 1 Medium or 2 Small miniatures.
  • Heroes & Monsters Large Boosters contain 1 Large miniature.
  • Heroes & Monsters Bricks contain 16 Standard Boosters and 3 Large Boosters.
  • Heroes & Monsters Cases contain 4 Bricks (64 Standard Boosters and 12 Large Boosters).

Purchasers should get no to very few duplicate figures in a brick. Buyers who purchase factory-sealed cases should get a nearly complete set of figures. (As with any randomized product, collation is not guaranteed.)

Begin your Pathfinder Battles collection today! The Heroes & Monsters of the Pathfinder world await!

See the press release for questions and answers about this exciting new product line.


Heroes & Monsters Set List

CommonUncommon
1  Goblin Warrior (Red)
2  Goblin Hero (Red)
3  Goblin Warrior (Blue)
4  Goblin Hero (Blue)
5  Orc Brute
6  Orc Warrior
7  Skeleton
8  Watch Guard
9  Watch Officer
10  Lizardfolk Champion
11  Zombie
12  Giant Spider
13  Wolf
14  Venomous Snake
15  Mummy
16  Human Rogue
17  Human Ranger
18  Elf Wizard
19  Half-Elf Cleric
20  Dwarf Fighter
21  Human Druid
22  Gnome Fighter
23  Dire Rat
Rare
24  Gargoyle
25  Half-Orc Barbarian
26  Spectre
27  Seelah, Human Paladin
28  Werewolf
29  Medusa
30  Minotaur
31  Ogre
32  Troll
33  Ettin
34  Chimera
35  Manticore
36  Giant Caveweaver Spider
37  Frost Giant
38  Succubus
39  Lich
40  Vampire

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Too Much $$$

2/5

I hate to be a bad mouth, and I am honestly not motivated here by vehemence. This figs just cost way too much for what you get ESPECIALLY because they are random and plastic.

I am not saying there is anything better out there - as far as I can tell there isn't. My local store is 1 of 2 significant stores, in a metro area of around half a million folks. The store I frequent has yet to sell out of the ORIGINAL , the 2nd line has barely sold at all, and he has refused to order anything else. It just doesn't sell. And its not placement - they are quite actually the first and last thing you see when you enter his store.

When I bought DND mini's the price for randoms eventually became to high for me and I was able to still get the minis I wanted by buying singles. So far, everything I have seen indicates the singles market is incredibly over-inflated.

So, quality wise they are top notch. The paint jobs and sculpts are in every way superior to what I have seen anywhere else here in America. There are foreign companies doing comparable work in similar markets, but that is irrelevant to this review.

For me though, the final thing comes down to money. They are too expensive.


Individual figures

2/5

I would be more willing to buy these if one could select individual figures desiered rather than getting a "Grab Bag (box)" of unknowns.


Vibrant, but Overpriced

2/5

I didn't even want to buy any originally because of the price, but I decided to grab 3 small (1 medium or 2 small figures each) and 1 large (1 large figure) boxes. This cost me $19 before taxes and I ended up with 1 large and 3 medium figures. When D&D Miniatures was producing boosters I would pay $15 or $16 before taxes to get 8 figures and I'm pretty sure there was 1 large per booster.

I then placed them side by side with the D&D Miniatures I have and I would say the quality is about the same, but the Pathfinder minis are more vibrant. The D&D minis though each came with a stat card and could be used to play a separate minis tactical game.

Even if I were to get 2 small figures in each of the small boxes of Pathfinder minis I purchased I'd have 7 figures. For $3 or $4 less I would have 1-4 more figures and I never remember seeing a full booster of D&D minis as small figures, maybe half at most.

I really like the Pathfinder RPG books, but I'm sorry, I won't be buying any more minis because I think they're overpriced. Maybe I'm just behind times though because I know the D&D minis are not being produced any more, but I can still buy singles for $1 each for commons and uncommons.


1-2 random for HOW MUCH!

1/5

For random minis, the pricing is obscene. Tack on a buck and let me know what I am Getting. The local store has yet to sell out of the Original Brick. And from what I have seen, the sculpts and painting is so sub-par.
As much as I hate the Paper Minis, I will take those over these in a heartbeat.


Excellent Beginning Run.

5/5

I have just gotten into my box set that I recieved (in no specific order). Individual Review will be added later.

Box 1:

Frost Giant
Ogre
Troll
Skeleton
Venomous Snake
Spectre
Red Goblin Hero
Red Goblin Warrior
Giant Spider
Zombie
Watch Officer
Watch Guard
Dire Rat
Medusa
Half-Elf Cleric
Vampire
Human Rogue
Wolf
Gnome Fighter
Human Ranger
Seelah, Human Paladin

Box 2:

Manticore
Ogre
Troll
Succubus
Human Rogue
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Hero
Blue Goblin Hero
Red Goblin Warrior
Red Goblin Hero
Gnome Fighter
Dire Rat
Skeleton
Human Ranger
Spectre
Seelah, Human Paladin
Lizardfolk Champion
Watch Guard
Medusa
Venomous Snake
Giant Spider
Orc Warrior

Box 3:

Ettin
Minotaur
Chimera
Orc Warrior
Zombie
Giant Spider
Watch Officer
Werewolf
Lizardfolk Champion
Wolf
Mummy
Elf Wizard
Half-Elf Cleric
Blue Goblin Hero
Blue Goblin Warrior
Half-Orc Barbarian
Dwarf Fighter
Lich
Human Druid
Gargoyle

Box 4:

Ettin
Giant Caveweaver Spider
Troll
Spectre
Zombie
Mummy
Elf Wizard
Human Druid
Wolf
Watch Officer
Giant Spider
Medusa
Blue Goblin Warrior
Blue Goblin Hero
Half-Elf Cleric
Skeleton
Werewolf
Venomous Snake
Succubus
Orc Brute

Final Count:

Red Goblin Warrior x2
Red Goblin Hero x2
Blue Goblin Warrior x4
Blue Goblin Hero x4
Orc Brute
Orc Warrior x2
Skeleton x3
Watch Guard x2
Watch Officer x3
Lizardfolk Champion x2
Zombie x3
Giant Spider x4
Wolf x3
Venomous Snake x3
Mummy x2
Human Rogue x2
Human Ranger x2
Elf Wizard x2
Half-Elf Cleric x3
Dwarf Fighter
Human Druid x2
Gnome Fighter x2
Dire Rat x2
Gargoyle
Half-Orc Barbarian
Spectre x3
Seelah, Human Paladin x2
Werewolf x2
Medusa x3
Minotaur
Ogre x2
Troll x3
Ettin x2
Chimera
Manticore
Giant Caveweaver Spider
Frost Giant
Succubus x2
Lich
Vampire

84 Minis, out a minimum 76, and was able to get the full collection. I can safely say that I am over all pleased, though I was hoping for more humanoid opponents, but can't be to grumpy since I did get a full collection, with a few doubles of key members. Add to this the ones Irecieved from random Store Boughts as well as a minion order from this site and the six-man Evil Booster and you have a good assortment of minis to choose from.


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Hobbun wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration when filling preorders .

Well that’s great to hear (on the anticipated sales)!

I should have asked this earlier, but Vic (or anyone from Paizo), you indicated October 12th is the cut-off date for retailers to place their orders from the distributors to get the black dragon. However, what is Paizo’s cut-off date for us to preorder from you and still get the dragon?

And will we know the details of the dragon before the preorder cut-off date?

Dark Archive

James Jacobs wrote:
Coltaine wrote:
Hmmm, did you write the whole fane of Tiamat? It just seemed so arbitrary and anti climactic compared to everything else before hand. The Ghostlord is one of my fav encounters of all time.
Yup, I did the whole fane of Tiamat all right. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

Yeah, that part TPK'd us. It was a little off putting to be put in a situation where you're pretty much going to die no matter what you do, but over all it was the best adventure that I've ever played through. Anyway, looking forward to getting some of these minis.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Hobbun wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration when filling preorders .

Well that’s great to hear (on the anticipated sales)!

I should have asked this earlier, but Vic (or anyone from Paizo), you indicated October 12th is the cut-off date for retailers to place their orders from the distributors to get the black dragon. However, what is Paizo’s cut-off date for us to preorder from you and still get the dragon?

I expect that we'll be able to guarantee that case preorderers will also be able to acquire the dragon pretty much right up to the release date. And I think I mentioned way back that we're looking at other ways to make it available as well.

Caineach wrote:
And will we know the details of the dragon before the preorder cut-off date?

By far. I'm hoping we'll have a bunch of details on all of our options (preorders, subscriptions and such) within the next week and a half.


Vic Wertz wrote:

I expect that we'll be able to guarantee that case preorderers will also be able to acquire the dragon pretty much right up to the release date. And I think I mentioned way back that we're looking at other ways to make it available as well.

Paizo will have to not only enough cases to cover their preorders, but enough to fill out demand for singles as well. Each of the cases that goes into single sales will come with a dragon, so if you pre-order a case later than the cutoff date they will likely still have more dragons in stock that they can send with the case. This allows them to extend the cutoff for their preorders beyond that of their preorder cutoff date.

At least that is my guess.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Vic Wertz wrote:
I expect that we'll be able to guarantee that case preorderers will also be able to acquire the dragon pretty much right up to the release date.

After further discussion, I'm not confident I can guarantee that. I'm updating the product page (which didn't mention the case incentive at all until now) to include a note that case buyers will have to preorder by October 1 to be guaranteed the option to purchase a Black Dragon.

We may be able to offer a slightly longer window to subscribers—stay tuned in the coming weeks for details about that.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Vic Wertz wrote:
Hobbun wrote:
Jeff Cope wrote:

Not sure if this is new news or not...but, just in case some haven't heard..here's the details on the Black Dragon promotion:

Game Trade Magazine wrote:
Retailers can order (1) dragon for every case (four "bricks") of minis they pre-order before October 12, 2011.

http://www.gametrademagazine.com/public/defaultalliancealert.asp?ai=111982

Time to talk to my FLGS and let him know I want one!

Well, at least we have a date (we need to preorder by).
Not quite—October 12 is the date by which *retailers* need to place their orders from distributors to get the black dragon. As I said upthread, once retailers have their black dragons, they can do whatever they'd like with them, and they'll be able to do whatever that may be on their own schedules.

I made the mistake of repeating the October 12 date Jeff got from the Game Trade article without verifying it. I don't know where Game Trade got that date, because the actual cutoff date in WizKids' solicitation is October 1, not October 12.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

I've added the following paragraph to the product description:

Note: Customers who preorder a Heroes & Monsters case before October 1 will have the opportunity to purchase the mighty Black Dragon, a special promotional miniature that towers over other figures in the set and sits on a 3-inch base. This offer will be limited to one Black Dragon per case purchased. (We'll contact purchasers by email regarding that offer as soon as details are finalized.)

Dark Archive

Vic Wertz wrote:

I've added the following paragraph to the product description:

Note: Customers who preorder a Heroes & Monsters case before October 1 will have the opportunity to purchase the mighty Black Dragon, a special promotional miniature that towers over other figures in the set and sits on a 3-inch base. This offer will be limited to one Black Dragon per case purchased. (We'll contact purchasers by email regarding that offer as soon as details are finalized.)

In that case I'm glad I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago :P

Grand Lodge

Will we see a list of what minis are in the line before this date? If not that is truly disappointing as I really would love to have that dragon, but cannot justify plunking down nearly three hundred bucks when I don't even know what is going to be in the line, or what extra cost the dragon will come with (I understand this at least will be resolved before the deadline. I am ok with a random line. Not my ideal, but I understand why it is being done. I do not understand why you would keep the figures in the line unknown once they have been finalized. Keeping my fingers crossed for that line up :).


Dorgar wrote:
Will we see a list of what minis are in the line before this date? If not that is truly disappointing as I really would love to have that dragon, but cannot justify plunking down nearly three hundred bucks when I don't even know what is going to be in the line, or what extra cost the dragon will come with (I understand this at least will be resolved before the deadline. I am ok with a random line. Not my ideal, but I understand why it is being done. I do not understand why you would keep the figures in the line unknown once they have been finalized. Keeping my fingers crossed for that line up :).

It's not Paizo that's making that decision, but WizKids. I really haven't bought WizKids products before, but from what I heard is they wait until relatively close to the release date to where they show the whole set. Now how 'close' is, I am not sure. Hopefully it is before the black dragon pre-release offer, although I already ordered my case.

However, I would expect pretty standard minis in the set. Goblin, hobgoblin, orc, ogre, etc. I would anticipate they are going to be Bestiary 1 monsters (not all, of course). And then you will see standard hero minis for the 11 core classes, as well. Would be nice to see for some of the additional classes as well, but I think this is your starter/intro set, basically.

Grand Lodge

Releasing the whole set list prior to release is unheard of from many manufacturers. D&D minis sets were never fully revealed by WotC until release date. Now there was always spoilers previewed ahead of time from various sources. Paizo has given us a clue or two along the way. Look at the pawns in the Basic game set for some of what we can expect. The first set will have a more standard array of critters from fantasy RPG with that Pathfinder look; so they will have their uniqueness.

For some of us, opening a random booster with a miniature you have never seen before can be a treat. You get that "look at this" moment. How can I work this beauty into my Campaign? That may not be for everyone. Some people don't like being surprised on their birthday. :-)

Later,

Mazra


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I'm torn - I don't want to wait until December to see what minis I'm going to get, but at the same time, I'm kinda excited to setup a "pick-up" game where everyone throws together a new character, and play is determined by what minis come out of the packs over the course of the night...

:D

Scarab Sages

Vic Wertz wrote:

I expect that we'll be able to guarantee that case preorderers will also be able to acquire the dragon pretty much right up to the release date. And I think I mentioned way back that we're looking at other ways to make it available as well.

This is what I'm hoping for. The price tag on the case prevents me from buying one (because I don't want my wife to murder me). But she might be more reasonable if I were to buy just the dragon itself.


I have an INSANE collection of plastic and metal minis. When it comes to our gaming group, I am the "Miniature Guy". It works out because I DM so much but it is also a sick, sick obsession. Our group tends to paint our PCs in metal because the quality of the sculpt is superior to any mass produced plastic miniature. But for the much larger need of NPC and monster miniatures, I believe that pre-painted plastic minis are the best way to go, especially in large or huge minis. And as I have gotten older, I have had less time to paint. My favorite moment is when one of my buddies is serving as GM and says: "You see three four armed ape-like creatures with white fur" and I can yell: "Wait! I have those!!"

The pairing of Paizo and WizKids to produce this line is BRILLIANT!


Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

Spoiler:
I order from a different site (I'm not going to name it here out of respect) with a better price range and who claimed to include the dragon in the price of the case. Still Paizo will get their share on the royalties, so win-win.


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Maps, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber
Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:

I've added the following paragraph to the product description:

Note: Customers who preorder a Heroes & Monsters case before October 1 will have the opportunity to purchase the mighty Black Dragon, a special promotional miniature that towers over other figures in the set and sits on a 3-inch base. This offer will be limited to one Black Dragon per case purchased. (We'll contact purchasers by email regarding that offer as soon as details are finalized.)

In that case I'm glad I pre-ordered 2 weeks ago :P

Is the sidecart a preorder?

Liberty's Edge

pres man wrote:

Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

** spoiler omitted **

Yea im contemplating doing a second case but also want to know how the dragon is working. How much, included or not in the price etc.

Liberty's Edge

Gorbacz wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration preorders.
Now, what did those folks earlier in the thread say about poor business model and "nobody's gonna every buy this?" ;-)

Not sure they (we) said it would fail, I think it was more of a disappointment that it was going to be non-random. If "I" did say it would fail it was a mistake. I think though it could of been better...though.

But really in a case you get 76 mini's within that 76 mini's you are highly likely to get a full set of 40 according to the description (which I assume also only applies to factory sealed cases).

With out that in the description I wouldn't of personally got a case (even consider getting a second one).

Yet I have noticed a few people say they can't afford going that route. Which in a round about way means less sales right? Who knows if they sold a un-random set perhaps the sales could of been even better. The argument though is getting old and well never be able to be proven one way or another.

$233 for a set of 40 unique miniatures come to just over $5.80 a miniature. Plus with 36 extra ones lowers the price to around $3.06 a miniature. (As long as I do end up with a complete set or at the very least only one or two missing from a complete set I'll be happy.)

Then the reason I am considering a second case is it might mean I get three complete sets out of it. (Fingers crossed)


thenorthman wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
I would also preorder quickly if your are doing it through a FLGS. When my boss called Alliance yesterday, they told him that from the last 2 days that they expected to sell out before release day, and need to ration preorders.
Now, what did those folks earlier in the thread say about poor business model and "nobody's gonna every buy this?" ;-)

Not sure they (we) said it would fail, I think it was more of a disappointment that it was going to be non-random. If "I" did say it would fail it was a mistake. I think though it could of been better...though.

But really in a case you get 76 mini's within that 76 mini's you are highly likely to get a full set of 40 according to the description (which I assume also only applies to factory sealed cases).

With out that in the description I wouldn't of personally got a case (even consider getting a second one).

Yet I have noticed a few people say they can't afford going that route. Which in a round about way means less sales right? Who knows if they sold a un-random set perhaps the sales could of been even better. The argument though is getting old and well never be able to be proven one way or another.

$233 for a set of 40 unique miniatures come to just over $5.80 a miniature. Plus with 36 extra ones lowers the price to around $3.06 a miniature. (As long as I do end up with a complete set or at the very least only one or two missing from a complete set I'll be happy.)

Then the reason I am considering a second case is it might mean I get three complete sets out of it. (Fingers crossed)

You should get more than 76 minis in case. If you only get 76 you would be missing some smalls. Remember, the standard booster is 2 smalls or 1 medium. You get 64 of these, each will contain 1 medium or 2 smalls. You get 12 large boosters, these have 1 large. So if you only got 76 minis, that would be 64 mediums, 12 larges, and no smalls. Unless they pack these really bad, you should be getting more than 100 minis, give or take.

And we don't yet know how many of each size there are. They only thing we can say is that if they expect many people to get a full set in one case, that there are 12 or less large. Cause if there were 13 or more, no one would get a full set in the case. We don't know how many are medium or small.

Grand Lodge

thenorthman wrote:


Yet I have noticed a few people say they can't afford going that route. Which in a round about way means less sales right? Who knows if they sold a un-random set perhaps the sales could of been even better. The argument though is getting old and well never be able to be proven one way or another.

First, there will always be those that cannot afford to buy miniatures. They are expensive and a bit of a luxury. Currently in my life, I can afford them, but there were definitely times in my life where I would not have been able to buy a case. Even today two cases would be quite a hardship. But think about it, does BMW quit producing cars because many can't afford them?

Second, the argument of whether the randomized format is unproven is simply wrong. Wizards of the Coast made over twenty sets of randomized miniatures. If the formula did not work do you think Hasbro's upper brass would have allowed it to continue for so long? Wizkids also has sold a lot of miniatures in a randomized format. These companies knew what they were doing...mostly. If there were any mistakes, it was mostly on matters concerning rarities, changing game formats in midstream, releasing sets too often and knowing when to slow down or quit the line. I really don't expect Paizo to make these mistakes. From everything I have seen to date, they are a better managed company with a far better grasp on the needs of fantasy RPGs.

thenorthman wrote:

$233 for a set of 40 unique miniatures come to just over $5.80 a miniature. Plus with 36 extra ones lowers the price to around $3.06 a miniature. (As long as I do end up with a complete set or at the very least only one or two missing from a complete set I'll be happy.)

Then the reason I am considering a second case is it might mean I get three complete sets out of it. (Fingers crossed)

Due to the relatively low number of Large boosters, I sincerely doubt that you can get three full sets from two cases. I think you will end up with a lot of commons and uncommons, and two full sets of rares. Also with around 100 miniatures to a case the price per miniature is under $3.00 each, not bad in today's economy.

Later,

Mazra

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Paizo, any word on international distribution of those? Shipment costs for anything bigger than books is a major killer for me.


thenorthman wrote:
Then the reason I am considering a second case is it might mean I get three complete sets out of it. (Fingers crossed)

While the statements made about case distribution lead me to bank on getting a complete set (or darned close to it) in a single case, I so totally would NOT bank on coming close to three complete sets from two cases.

I think you'll be lucky to get one of each "rare" out of a single case.


Grotnar wrote:

You should get more than 76 minis in case. If you only get 76 you would be missing some smalls. Remember, the standard booster is 2 smalls or 1 medium. You get 64 of these, each will contain 1 medium or 2 smalls. You get 12 large boosters, these have 1 large. So if you only got 76 minis, that would be 64 mediums, 12 larges, and no smalls. Unless they pack these really bad, you should be getting more than 100 minis, give or take.

And we don't yet know how many of each size there are. They only thing we can say is that if they expect many people to get a full set in one case, that there are 12 or less large. Cause if there were 13 or more, no one would get a full set in the case. We don't know how many are medium or small.

I'm guesstimating here, based on DDM distribution, which I'll freely admit, doesn't exactly correspond given that this isn't DDM, and I'm not exactly pulling from compiled statistics anywhere.

I suspect that we'll see 6-8 different larges, and probably 6-8 different small pairs, leaving 24-28 different mediums.

This would allow for duplicates (uncommon/common) in all size categories, and mediums typically make up the majority of sets since they're the most common PC/NPC/encounter critter size.

I honestly can't guess at rarity distribution, as that's been all over the scale in DDM and SWM sets. I only hope that we see the "normal" C/U/R distribution rather than the C/U/R/VR style.


pres man wrote:

Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

** spoiler omitted **

That would be MiniatureMarket.com selling the case for $200 +free shipping and the case w/dragon for $215 +free shipping.


Shivok wrote:
pres man wrote:

Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

** spoiler omitted **

That would be MiniatureMarket.com selling the case for $200 +free shipping and the case w/dragon for $215 +free shipping.

Free shipping only to the US. I wonder how and for how much they'd ship overseas.


KaeYoss wrote:
Shivok wrote:
pres man wrote:

Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

** spoiler omitted **

That would be MiniatureMarket.com selling the case for $200 +free shipping and the case w/dragon for $215 +free shipping.
Free shipping only to the US. I wonder how and for how much they'd ship overseas.

I'm not particularly comfortable discussing another online store's prices here ...

Spoiler:
... having said that. I did a calculation with the 15% discount, the MM price is $18 cheaper and that is with the dragon. Now Paizo pays the first $10 of the shipping. So that reduces the discount $8 + cost of the dragon. So I guess you'd have to ask yourself if you think their shipping would be more than $8+cost of the dragon over paizo's shipping cost. As I said earlier, this ultimately is a win-win in any case since Paizo will get the royalties from purchases from other sites, though I would imagine they'd prefer to get direct profits.


Brian E. Harris wrote:


I think you'll be lucky to get one of each "rare" out of a single case.

No, I don't think so. I think there is going to be high chance you will get every rare, and actually at least one of every miniature in the set. From what Paizo has said, WizKids/Paizo are planning for at least a complete set in each case (and I say 'at least' as of course you will have duplicates in only a 40 mini set). The only reason they don't guarantee anything as they said there is the element of human error during packaging.

The distribution is not going to be anything like a case of DDM where you received 4 of one rare and 6 rares you didn't even see.

Scarab Sages

Shivok wrote:
pres man wrote:

Well I did it. I broke down and preorder a case.

** spoiler omitted **

That would be MiniatureMarket.com selling the case for $200 +free shipping and the case w/dragon for $215 +free shipping.

Holy S$~!!! Now that's tempting!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

I broke down the Bestiary by monster size catagories and included the variants to see what the lay out would look like. I suspected the majority would be medium but was surprised to see just how small that majority is. Looking at just the monsters from the Bestiary a minitures set should have about about equal numbers of medium and large figures.

Heres the break down of monsters by size from the PRPG Bestiary:
Tiny - 19
Small - 56
Medium - 132
Large - 131
Huge - 49
Gargantuan - 21
Colossal - 10
Variation in all size catagories - 21
Swarms - 8

So here's hoping we see a lot more large size mini's in the future. And maybe some huges too.


Hobbun wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:


I think you'll be lucky to get one of each "rare" out of a single case.

No, I don't think so. I think there is going to be high chance you will get every rare, and actually at least one of every miniature in the set. From what Paizo has said, WizKids/Paizo are planning for at least a complete set in each case (and I say 'at least' as of course you will have duplicates in only a 40 mini set). The only reason they don't guarantee anything as they said there is the element of human error during packaging.

The distribution is not going to be anything like a case of DDM where you received 4 of one rare and 6 rares you didn't even see.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying, you probably shouldn't gamble on getting a third complete set out of the purchase of two cases.

If I didn't phrase that correctly, my apologies.

Grand Lodge

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I have been reading the thread from the beginning and I appreciate your speculations and observations. I was hoping that as Vic has said there are WizKids folks paying attention to this thread. I do not expect to see every mini in the line, but I would like a general list of the line. Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs and an assortment of hero's that could stand in multiple roles. For me the cost of a case is a big investment of my gaming dollars. I am one of those people who like to have a general idea of what I'm in for at least. I enjoy opening up a blind pack and seeing goodies for the first time as much as the next guy. That doesn't mean I don't like to know the options that are possible. I have a ton of undead mini's for example if this set was a 1/4 skeletons, zombies, ghouls, etc. I probably would hold off on a case and try and get what I want in the after market. If it also was 1/4 beasts and aberrations of which I have few it may pull me back in. All in all I am excited for the line and want a chance at that dragon, but I will wait and see what the line holds before I commit.


Brian E. Harris wrote:

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying, you probably shouldn't gamble on getting a third complete set out of the purchase of two cases.

If I didn't phrase that correctly, my apologies.

Ok, my misunderstanding then. You had made reference of being lucky if you got all the rares in a single case. Since Paizo has said they are trying for a complete set for each case, you would most likely receive all the rares (and more) in one case. So I thought you were saying you didn't anticipate receiving a complete set in a case (i.e. all the rares).

I do agree with you though, I would not expect, or really even hope (setting yourself up for disappointment), for 3 complete sets in 2 cases.


Dorgar wrote:
Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs

Bestiary 1 doesn't contain any mobs. In fact, PF hasn't had a mob rule so far (there might be something in GMG I overlooked, though, or they'll just use swarm rules, maybe modify them a bit).

There might be some swarms, but other than that, mostly single monsters.


KaeYoss wrote:
Dorgar wrote:
Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs

Bestiary 1 doesn't contain any mobs. In fact, PF hasn't had a mob rule so far (there might be something in GMG I overlooked, though, or they'll just use swarm rules, maybe modify them a bit).

There might be some swarms, but other than that, mostly single monsters.

I think you are being a little (ok, a lot) too literal here. I think we realize that he was talking about creatures that are most often encountered in groups. Goblins, for example, are rarely fought individually, but instead in groups.


pres man wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Dorgar wrote:
Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs

Bestiary 1 doesn't contain any mobs. In fact, PF hasn't had a mob rule so far (there might be something in GMG I overlooked, though, or they'll just use swarm rules, maybe modify them a bit).

There might be some swarms, but other than that, mostly single monsters.

I think you are being a little (ok, a lot) too literal here. I think we realize that he was talking about creatures that are most often encountered in groups. Goblins, for example, are rarely fought individually, but instead in groups.

He wasn't what I call serious in any fashion. On a side note that Dragon looks awesome!


pres man wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Dorgar wrote:
Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs

Bestiary 1 doesn't contain any mobs. In fact, PF hasn't had a mob rule so far (there might be something in GMG I overlooked, though, or they'll just use swarm rules, maybe modify them a bit).

There might be some swarms, but other than that, mostly single monsters.

I think you are being a little (ok, a lot) too literal here. I think we realize that he was talking about creatures that are most often encountered in groups. Goblins, for example, are rarely fought individually, but instead in groups.

Have you encountered KaeYoss on these boards before. I'm guessing no :)


Stewart Perkins wrote:


He wasn't what I call serious in any fashion.

There's a sign that lets people know I'm not being serious:

When I'm not being serious, I post.

But then again, I don't like the more silly parts of MMO speak. A single creature isn't a mob. A mob is a number of people - or the Mafia. So unless a critter has lots of friends around (and maybe wears Armani suits) and attacks all at once, don't call it a mob. :P

Liberty's Edge

KaeYoss wrote:
stuff about mobs

If you listen to fools,

the mob rules!

Black Sabbath "the Mob Rules"

Liberty's Edge

But seriously folks I wish that I was in a better financial picture to get a case of these goodies. I might end up just getting a brick instead. I mean the price is very reasonable but it's just beyond my reach!


Caineach wrote:
pres man wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Dorgar wrote:
Yes, I am sure that we will see mostly bestiary 1 mobs

Bestiary 1 doesn't contain any mobs. In fact, PF hasn't had a mob rule so far (there might be something in GMG I overlooked, though, or they'll just use swarm rules, maybe modify them a bit).

There might be some swarms, but other than that, mostly single monsters.

I think you are being a little (ok, a lot) too literal here. I think we realize that he was talking about creatures that are most often encountered in groups. Goblins, for example, are rarely fought individually, but instead in groups.
Have you encountered KaeYoss on these boards before. I'm guessing no :)

Having been a minor part of the community for quite sometime now, I must say that I have seen both Pres Man and KaeYoss in many of the same threads, They have met I'm sure. :P

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

This reminds me of something that makes me laugh every time.

Everybody says we need fresh new blood in the hobby, RPGs are stagnated, yadda yadda.

Then along comes a MMO player who is new to pen-and-paper and starts talking with their lingo of mobs, tanks and DPS.

Reaction? "OMG MMO KIDS RUINING OUR GAME GET OUT STOP TALKING LIKE THAT!"

Heh.


Gorbacz wrote:

This reminds me of something that makes me laugh every time.

Everybody says we need fresh new blood in the hobby, RPGs are stagnated, yadda yadda.

Then along comes a MMO player who is new to pen-and-paper and starts talking with their lingo of mobs, tanks and DPS.

Reaction? "OMG MMO KIDS RUINING OUR GAME GET OUT STOP TALKING LIKE THAT!"

Heh.

Sad but true... though some of us restrain ourselves a bit better than that - like my "please don't talk about MMOs that you play while we are at the table for a game, they are distracting conversations." table-rule, and my re-education process of teaching them to use "monster" in place of "mob" and to drop almost all of the rest of the lingo because it doesn't really apply.

Liberty's Edge

Not having played an MMO, I am unfamiliar with the tern "mob". Hence why I made the joke that I did.


KaeYoss wrote:
Stewart Perkins wrote:


He wasn't what I call serious in any fashion.

There's a sign that lets people know I'm not being serious:

When I'm not being serious, I post.

But then again, I don't like the more silly parts of MMO speak. A single creature isn't a mob. A mob is a number of people - or the Mafia. So unless a critter has lots of friends around (and maybe wears Armani suits) and attacks all at once, don't call it a mob. :P

I've never played an MMO, but I used to MUD a lot. "back then" mob was used for any non player creature and was an abbreviation of mobile.

Dark Archive

Ya know, not to sound too hippy like but I'd love to see the cases without all the extra packaging. Sell cases where the miniatures are in lil plastic bags or whatever and save a few trees on all the extra cardboard. I'm sure lots of the case and brick buyers aren't interested in the individual boxes anyways.

Probably too late for the ones coming in December, but for future sets maybe a possibility? We are in the Pacific NW n all we're environmentally friendly! ;p

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
Steve Geddes wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Stewart Perkins wrote:


He wasn't what I call serious in any fashion.

There's a sign that lets people know I'm not being serious:

When I'm not being serious, I post.

But then again, I don't like the more silly parts of MMO speak. A single creature isn't a mob. A mob is a number of people - or the Mafia. So unless a critter has lots of friends around (and maybe wears Armani suits) and attacks all at once, don't call it a mob. :P

I've never played an MMO, but I used to MUD a lot. "back then" mob was used for any non player creature and was an abbreviation of mobile.

That is the definition and application usually used in MMOs.


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The one thing I hope WizKids accomplishes that DDM never did: consistent scale. I have DDM figures that are all over the place in scale; 25mm to 33mm, dwarves taller than humans, near-halfling sized humans.....I'm sure everyone is familiar with the problem. Please WizKids, pick a scale and stick with it!

Regards,

V


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Vernon Fults wrote:

The one thing I hope WizKids accomplishes that DDM never did: consistent scale. I have DDM figures that are all over the place in scale; 25mm to 33mm, dwarves taller than humans, near-halfling sized humans.....I'm sure everyone is familiar with the problem. Please WizKids, pick a scale and stick with it!

Regards,

V

THIS. Please.

Grand Lodge

:D Kaeyoss I defiantly knew you were kidding around as soon as I saw your post. Please forgive my use of mmo jargon as it was nearly 2am and at the end of a long day.
I have been a gamer (you know the kind that roll dice and stuff I still hate that those pesky video game players co-opted our name for themselves;P)for about 30 years now so I am hardly a newcomer. I just want good sculpts representative of pathfinder's art style of useful critters that are not readily available. It is hard to find non humanoid beasties in metal (not impossible) reaper has some pretty good ones every once in a while. I also have a couple of their plastic purple worm minis (love that mini)!! DDM has several cool options but I am not shelling out the inflated price on most of them because they made um rare or have some super keen ability in the skirmish game. So yeah I am really hoping this line has a lot of what I as a GM am looking for.

Sovereign Court

26 pages of people arguing about whether or not randomized minatures are a good business model, wow.

I almost feel like actually discussing the product itself would be out of place by this point, but has there been any announcement of which monsters and characters will make it into this set?

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