It looks like it might be Complete Arcane, the Magic Item Compendium, and the Spell Compendium all rolled up into one.

I CAN'T WAIT!

I love you Paizo.

ARG! I don't even have the APG in hand yet, I thought I might have a month before I started going crazy wanting the next book. But... Noooo, .... must have now.

Oh ye gods, another one? I suppose by the time this comes out I'll have had plenty of time to digest the APG, though, so I suppose April works.

All these hardcovers are sure making it hard for me to fill in my back catalog of Golarion material, though. Eventually I'll get caught up to speed....

Is it sad the the thing I was most excited about when reading this were the vermin companions?

Edit: OOOO! more about crafting golems!

Edit 2: I hope this means we will be getting an 'Ultimate Combat' book of some kind :D

Yea..... Sold.

Awwww - boost the page count to 320 like the other $39.99 books.

C'mon - you know you want to....

:)

yes! Yes! YES!!! Did I mention HELL YES?!!!! More exclamation points!!! My first wish for this book is that they create a PF version of the Ultimate Magus from the Complete Mage. I'm going to save my other 2 wishes for later.

Awwww - boost the page count to 320 like the other $39.99 books.

C'mon - you know you want to....

:)

This is very unlikely. Multiple 320+ page books in a single year = short drive to the Loony Bin for all of us here at Paizo. And then there'd be NO hardcover books from Paizo, because they won't let us use computers in the Loony Bin.

And then there'd be NO hardcover books from Paizo, because they won't let us use computers in the Loony Bin.

But the Ustalav books written in crayon would be excellent.

This is very unlikely. Multiple 320+ page books in a single year = short drive to the Loony Bin for all of us here at Paizo. And then there'd be NO hardcover books from Paizo, because they won't let us use computers in the Loony Bin.

Depends on why you're committed, I suppose.

Taking Jokes Too Seriously aside, premade spellbooks tickle the cockles of my dark, twisted, hateful GM heart. Will they use just PF core spells, PF core + UM spells, or PF core + UM + other Paizo books?

This is very unlikely. Multiple 320+ page books in a single year = short drive to the Loony Bin for all of us here at Paizo. And then there'd be NO hardcover books from Paizo, because they won't let us use computers in the Loony Bin.

not true, they let you use computers in the loony bin

I mean, c'mon, how am I posting this right now.

any chance there will be a playtest on the Words of Power magic system?

Please

Construct rules and cooperative casting, hooray!

Any chance Adepts get half a page on using them as tribal casters, with some alternate abilities or spells?

I've already given you my soul... I still need so many of these books! Ah, well. What's another 40 bucks? Can't wait!

This book looks awesome! I don't even have my APG yet and now I am anxiously awaiting the play test(s) (I hope we see the magus and the new magic system!), and for the book to be released. So many cool new things to add to my characters!

Sold on the new magic system and subsystems.

Where is the "cover" art from?

Think it looks cool. I know its not the final (maybe) but it does look nice.

Sean

The art of the cover is from the GameMastery Guide p. 60 - it is not the final cover.

Sold!

New familiars, primal magic (wild magic?)... Sold!

Sweet! I was sold at "Ultimate Magic". And one vs. one Spell duels? I am one step closer to my Harry Potter Pathfinder campaign. lol!

any chance there will be a playtest on the Words of Power magic system?

Please

There's a chance, yes.

Public playtests WILL continue as long as we're doing hardcover books. They won't always be super-extensive, though, and some books will skip this stage. We haven't yet decided what parts of Ultimate Magic will be publicly playtested, but I'm pretty sure the magus class will be one of them. The Words of Power rules are likely to be another... and that'll PROBABLY be it for this book's playtest. It's not something we're likely to nail down and decide on for sure until after Gen Con, though.

Where is the "cover" art from?

Think it looks cool. I know its not the final (maybe) but it does look nice.

Sean

The ORIGINAL location for this cover art was in the module "City of Golden Death."

DaveMage wrote:

Awwww - boost the page count to 320 like the other $39.99 books.

C'mon - you know you want to....

:)

This is very unlikely. Multiple 320+ page books in a single year = short drive to the Loony Bin for all of us here at Paizo.

Wait. You mean y'all are not there already...?

Taking Jokes Too Seriously aside, premade spellbooks tickle the cockles of my dark, twisted, hateful GM heart. Will they use just PF core spells, PF core + UM spells, or PF core + UM + other Paizo books?

PFRPG CR + APG + UM.

Stop being so awesome paizo! You're giving everyone else inferiority cmplexes!

MerrikCale wrote:

any chance there will be a playtest on the Words of Power magic system?

Please

There's a chance, yes.

Public playtests WILL continue as long as we're doing hardcover books. They won't always be super-extensive, though, and some books will skip this stage. We haven't yet decided what parts of Ultimate Magic will be publicly playtested, but I'm pretty sure the magus class will be one of them. The Words of Power rules are likely to be another... and that'll PROBABLY be it for this book's playtest. It's not something we're likely to nail down and decide on for sure until after Gen Con, though.

Damn, you are Mr Cool

I'm pretty stoked for this book :) Couple of Qs though:

1. Would it be possible to see something like Wild Magic or Truename Magic in this book? It almost seems like Wild Magic is already in it in some form.

2. Any idea when the playtest for the Magus might begin?

Love what I'm seeing so far!

Man I'm barely containing myself at the prospect of getting the APG pdf tomorrow and now I discover this... Curse you Paizo I'm now wishing my days away lol

Book looks amazing though... out of interest will some of the new magic class options build on the archetypes or the base classes? [or both??] - as in say just bard options/spells or some geared towards say the Savage Skald [hint-hint lol]...

Can't wait though - raising the bar yet again people :)

Well James, or Sean,

is there a way to submit a feat for this book ?
(I submitted it for Wayfinder #3, but after the deadline...)

Thanks in advance.

My only question right now is...will this really be released in April, or will it get pushed back to June? ;)

Can't help it! When goodies like this get announced so early I don't want to have to wait longer! It's like Christmas getting pushed back every year!

Some concept questions, will the Magus "feel different" than classes like Eldritch Knight or a Spell-sword? I guess the root of the question is will it be different than "I wield a sword! and I cast spells through it!"?

I doubt you can give details yet, but if so, how will it be different in concept?

Please make the badman stop!

Please make the badman stop!

says my recession ravaged bank account

walter mcwilliams wrote:

Please make the badman stop!

says my recession ravaged bank account

Paizo has ravaged mine, on a fairly regular basis. ;)

So that I know how excited to get about it, I would like to know one thing.

Does the Magus cast prepared, or spontaneous magic, and what casting stat does it use?

So that I know how excited to get about it, I would like to know one thing.

Does the Magus cast prepared, or spontaneous magic, and what casting stat does it use?

I don't think the Magus has been written yet. However, when it has been , they've indicated that it will probably go through an open playtest

Mmmmmmmmmmm, tasty crunchy goodness.

Slower releases with higher quality content is something both my bank account and my gaming group can get behind.

I just bought the APG yesterday and I already can't wait for this one. You guys are the best.

Dang blast it! I might have to restart my subscription for this line after all! Dang! Thought I was done!

Dang blast it! I might have to restart my subscription for this line after all! Dang! Thought I was done!

You'll never been done... just accept your fate gracefully.

So that I know how excited to get about it, I would like to know one thing.

Does the Magus cast prepared, or spontaneous magic, and what casting stat does it use?

Speculation only:

Wow, this is going to be both fun and insane for me.

I had to pour through the APG Spells and Feats to see if WotC had any duplicates. I usually use WotC's as a default, with exceptions (such as using Lunge over Lunging Strike).

I do the same with spells. It bugs me having "duplicate" spells, where a WotC spell and a Pathfinder spell do almost the same thing with a few twists or a change in spell level and I have to scour each one and make a Word file reference which material is stamped "Confirmed" or "Denied" on it, basically. (for example, there's the Tsunami spell in Spell Compendium and Tsunami in the APG; the one in the Spell Compendium is clearly better than the APG, so I ruled the duplicate in APG out my games)

So, my one request to Paizo staff, look at your WotC books, particularly the Spell Compendium, and try not to make duplicates. The same with feats! It's kinda annoying and tiresome :D Be unique!

Wow, this is going to be both fun and insane for me.

I had to pour through the APG Spells and Feats to see if WotC had any duplicates. I usually use WotC's as a default, with exceptions (such as using Lunge over Lunging Strike).

I do the same with spells. It bugs me having "duplicate" spells, where a WotC spell and a Pathfinder spell do almost the same thing with a few twists or a change in spell level and I have to scour each one and make a Word file reference which material is stamped "Confirmed" or "Denied" on it, basically. (for example, there's the Tsunami spell in Spell Compendium and Tsunami in the APG; the one in the Spell Compendium is clearly better than the APG, so I ruled the duplicate in APG out my games)

So, my one request to Paizo staff, look at your WotC books, particularly the Spell Compendium, and try not to make duplicates. The same with feats! It's kinda annoying and tiresome :D Be unique!

That makes no sense for Paizo. They are interested in new players, and new players should rather be spending $ on Paizo books, instead of scrambling for out-of-print WotC books. So, there will be some overlap.

(for example, there's the Tsunami spell in Spell Compendium and Tsunami in the APG; the one in the Spell Compendium is clearly better than the APG

The second part of this isn't really a surprise. Pathfinder has attempted to address the disparity between full spellcasters and those who are not, both by increasing the power of the non-casters and by scaling back the power of many spells. Any duplication in spells is almost invariably going to have the Pathfinder version be weaker by design.

That said, I know there is going to be some duplication based on the sheer volume of old material.

Robert Miller 55 wrote:

Dang blast it! I might have to restart my subscription for this line after all! Dang! Thought I was done!

You'll never been done... just accept your fate gracefully.

:D

I will do my best!

So that I know how excited to get about it, I would like to know one thing.

Does the Magus cast prepared, or spontaneous magic, and what casting stat does it use?

If I were doing it (but I'm not), I think that I would have tried to make it a sorcerer bloodline.

But they are planning on a new base class. There are some things which you can infer about the class from knowledge of the rules.

1. They will probably have the medium (cleric) BAB.
2. They will probably have a d8 hit points.
3. They will probably have good Fortitiude and Will saving throws.
4. They will probably have light armor proficiency and not have arcane spell failure in light armor.
5. There will be a Magus spell list which will be more combat oriented than the bard spell list, but which won't have the most powerful sorcerer/wizard spells. The spell list will includes 1st through 6th level spells.
6. They will probably have simple weapons and a subset of martial weapons.

The Bard would be a good starting point for speculation. Replace the bard spell list with the magus spell list and the bardic class abilities with magus abilities. (Better armor or weapon selections, channeling spells through weapons, expending spells for bonuses, etc).

I'm anxious to get a look at pretty much every aspect of this book. One of my primary character classes is the wizard, so this would be a great resource for me!

This books for ALL casters and 'magic' types including Druids and Monks. Thanks Paizo, product just went from a solid maybe to MUST GET NOW.