I actually already own both of those pdfs lol. Read the Shadow Assassin, haven't read the Death Mage yet. Will look into both, as ia already gave the SA some thot. But the concept is for a Dragonmarked character in Eberron who has a destiny in store for him. Reading the description of the Godling sounds it might fit, esepcially if I go Clever.

Sides, been thinkin bout gettin both books eventually, want to buy all ur awesometacular(awesome+spectacular rolled into one word :-) lol) creations!

I have a question regarding the feat Emergent Divinity.

By the way I am reading it it looks like it gives an extra point the first time you take it and then every time you take it it gives and additional point. so second time 2 points third time 3 points.

The reason I am asking is because if it doesn't then the last sentence in the special section is not needed at all.

Yes, a physical copy containing the godlings & some other material I like would would be nice & I'd shell out for it eventually.

However, I would gladly like to see the project taken slow & gotten just right.

So... I've been looking over the book again, with some ideas of a "Young Gods" game rotating through my mind. There's a few questions I have, though, in regards to some home rules I was pondering. I figure these things may have come up in playtesting, so I want to pose them here before I start fiddling with things.

1) In place of a Linage Domain, would it be possible to switch it out a Sorcerer Bloodline instead? Of course, they wouldn't be able to get the Bonus Feats from the the Bloodline. Also, only Mystic godlings would get the benefit of the Bloodline Arcana feature. I am wondering if this is too powerful. But it also I see it as a possible manifestation of their "divinity".

2) With the APG out, would an Adept Godling be able to choose Alchemist Formula instead of spells? (I don't see them having the the bombs and mutagens, unless they multiclass, but Elixers.)

Another thought I had with this and the other Godling book is the ability to become a Patron for a Witch. It may be a variation of Leadership where you would select a Patron category and then you can recruit a coven to serve as aids and followers.

Just wondering what you might think on these and if any of these came across in the playtesting.

1) In place of a Linage Domain, would it be possible to switch it out a Sorcerer Bloodline instead?

Always nice to see someone playing with our material!

I'd say yes, but act cautiously. Sor/Wiz spells tend to pack more direct oomph than cleric spells of the same level, and some bloodlines have powers that are harmless in the hands of a sorcerer. but get downright juicy if given to a mighty godling.

So reality-check any PC choice to see if they've found a combo that's "too good." In general a bloodline is twice as powerful as a domain, so it is a slight uptick in power, but it's not likely to be game-unbalancing.

2) With the APG out, would an Adept Godling be able to choose Alchemist Formula instead of spells? (I don't see them having the the bombs and mutagens, unless they multiclass, but Elixers.)

I haven;t done any playtesting of that idea, but that doesn;t make it a bad idea. I'd say about the same thing, yes, but proceed with caution.

Another thought I had with this and the other Godling book is the ability to become a Patron for a Witch. It may be a variation of Leadership where you would select a Patron category and then you can recruit a coven to serve as aids and followers.

I think that'd be a great way to use Leadership!

I have 1 question that comes up after looking over the Mystic Godling some more(there might be more after even more reading, but I hope not). How exactly does the "Dispel Resistance" ability work? I understand the concept(I think), but it does give any numbers with the description(which is kinda needed for using it) & it could stand to be a little more clearly worded(though, the numbers would probly take care of most of that).

Can we get an answer to this? As I'm building two Eldritch Godlings, I'd like to know what their special SR is too.

How exactly does the "Dispel Resistance" ability work? I understand the concept(I think), but it does give any numbers with the description(which is kinda needed for using it) & it could stand to be a little more clearly worded(though, the numbers would probly take care of most of that).

There really should be numbers there.

So, Dispel Resistance is SR (equal to 10 + godling level). But it's not SR for the godling. It's SR for the godling's spells. So any time a dispel, counterspell, or antimagic effect tries to cause a godling's spell to cease to exist, the caster of the dispelling/antimagic effect must make a caster level check.= to overcome the godling's dispel resistance.

Can the prestige class from The Godling work with Mystic Godlings?

Can the prestige class from The Godling work with Mystic Godlings?

A mystic godling can take the Godling PrC, but it's a sub-par choice. You can't easily make a mystic godling with the Godling PrC. Did you mean something else?

Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm running a Pathfinder/Eberron campaign in which all of the pc's are Dragonmarked - so I was thinking about introducing the Godling later on in the campaign, and wanted to give them choices.

Mystic Godlings and Lineage Domains:

Do the Adept and Eldritch godling gain the Domain Spells? If so, are they just learned like a bonus spell of an Oracle/Sorcerer? Or are they simply added to the spell list and I have to choose them?

Mystic Godlings and Lineage Domains:

Do the Adept and Eldritch godling gain the Domain Spells? If so, are they just learned like a bonus spell of an Oracle/Sorcerer? Or are they simply added to the spell list and I have to choose them?

When the Lineage Domain power says you "gain access to" the spells of a lineage domain, it means you gain them as spells known. Otherwise a lot of domains would be a terrible choices. I admit it could use a touch of clarification. :)

Stomphoof wrote:

Mystic Godlings and Lineage Domains:

Do the Adept and Eldritch godling gain the Domain Spells? If so, are they just learned like a bonus spell of an Oracle/Sorcerer? Or are they simply added to the spell list and I have to choose them?

When the Lineage Domain power says you "gain access to" the spells of a lineage domain, it means you gain them as spells known. Otherwise a lot of domains would be a terrible choices. I admit it could use a touch of clarification. :)

I figured it was something like that, but I wanted to be sure.

So its basically like the bonus spells for a sorc bloodline or an oracle's mystery. Awesome!

So its basically like the bonus spells for a sorc bloodline or an oracle's mystery. Awesome!

Yes, exactly that!

So, are there plans of doing an "expanded" or "revised" version of this and the standard Godling books, along the line of what you did with the Dragon Rider book?

I don't know about anyone else, but I can see some Scion traits and/or Ascendancies that are related to things released in the Ultimate Magic, Ultimate Combat and APG. (Like the possibility of a Godling being able to produce Hexes.)

The nice thing about these two classes, I feel, is that they're a very flexible character class. You really can make them to be anything you want. I'm currently looking at the possibility of a home grown minor ascendancy of "Master of the Hunt" or something like that which would permit an Adept Godling to take Ranger spells.

I'm using the God-King note mentioned in the first book for a number of the rulers in the campaign setting I'm working on.

So, are there plans of doing an "expanded" or "revised" version of this and the standard Godling books, along the line of what you did with the Dragon Rider book?

We may well do a revision of these, and that usually includes a little expansion. But if we were to take time to put together a large number of additional traits and ascendancies, that would likely have to be another book.

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

ShepherdGunn wrote:

So, are there plans of doing an "expanded" or "revised" version of this and the standard Godling books, along the line of what you did with the Dragon Rider book?

We may well do a revision of these, and that usually includes a little expansion. But if we were to take time to put together a large number of additional traits and ascendancies, that would likely have to be another book.

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

Well, here's my vote for a Godling Options book. :-)

I have a question regarding the feat Emergent Divinity.

By the way I am reading it it looks like it gives an extra point the first time you take it and then every time you take it it gives and additional point. so second time 2 points third time 3 points.

The reason I am asking is because if it doesn't then the last sentence in the special section is not needed at all.

Clarification about that final sentence would be nice.

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

ShepherdGunn wrote:

So, are there plans of doing an "expanded" or "revised" version of this and the standard Godling books, along the line of what you did with the Dragon Rider book?

We may well do a revision of these, and that usually includes a little expansion. But if we were to take time to put together a large number of additional traits and ascendancies, that would likely have to be another book.

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

Well, here's my vote for a Godling Options book. :-)

+1

daken201 wrote:

I have a question regarding the feat Emergent Divinity.

By the way I am reading it it looks like it gives an extra point the first time you take it and then every time you take it it gives and additional point. so second time 2 points third time 3 points.

The reason I am asking is because if it doesn't then the last sentence in the special section is not needed at all.

Clarification about that final sentence would be nice.

Sorry, I missed that question the first time.

That last sentence is needed because whenever you say a feat can be taken more than once, you have to say what happens if you do so. You get only 1 rank of divine trait each time you take the feat. So if you have 3, and you take the feat, you get one additional rank, bringing you to 4.

If we had meant you get 2 the second time and 3 the third time, we'd have said you get 1 more trait rank than you gained last time you took the feat, and specific with an example.

One of my players is going to be playing a mystic godling, he has a couple of build ideas/questions - just thought I'd run them by you for balance purposes...

1. Could an exalted domain be substituted for a major ascension?

2. Swapping for base class archetypes...there is a discussion of it on pages 5-6 of the guide to archer archetypes. Depending on which way I go, several of the base class archetypes could be very cool. A godling of strength with the berserker archetype, a godling of war with the battle mystery, a godling of the hunt with the scout archetype, a rakshasa-descended godling with the rakshasa bloodline, etc.

The second question seems like a cool idea to personalize the godling - any suggestions for keeping things balanced beyond following the rules listed in the archer pdf? Are there any base archetypes that you would or wouldn't use with the mystic godling?

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

ShepherdGunn wrote:

So, are there plans of doing an "expanded" or "revised" version of this and the standard Godling books, along the line of what you did with the Dragon Rider book?

We may well do a revision of these, and that usually includes a little expansion. But if we were to take time to put together a large number of additional traits and ascendancies, that would likely have to be another book.

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

Well, here's my vote for a Godling Options book. :-)

Yes please!

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

I'd buy it, so.... +1 ;)

You could consider me a pre-sale of such a book already.

Please count me as a buyer of the "Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies" book, if you write it. :)

Ok... I mentioned this earlier about using the Sorcerer Bloodlines in place of Domains. I now see where that is too powerful. After weighing a number of options, I am thinking that I may consider using a Major Ascendancy to permit the purchasing a Bloodline, instead of going with it as a Domain. Wondering what the discussion folks think.

Can the Godling prestige class use the additional Divine traits provided in this book? It is not specifically called out as possible, but seems to be the likely intent.

Can the Godling prestige class use the additional Divine traits provided in this book? It is not specifically called out as possible, but seems to be the likely intent.

Yes, absolutely.

A user over at d20pfsrd.com noted that the Demigod (Ex) ability text does not say what level the ability is gained at (like most abilities do). While the table does make it clear that the ability is obtained at level 20, it might be a good idea to follow the general format for abilities and have the usual "At 20th level, the ___ godling is elevated from the ranks of deifically‑blooded heroes to the lower ranks to true divinity."

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

I could certainly write Godling Options: Traits and Ascendancies, if there was enough demand for it.

I'd buy it, so.... +1 ;)

You can add me for a +1 as well. I'd personally love to see more Scions. The ones available aren't all that great for a Mighty. It's more geared towards clever godlings.

Reviewed here and sent to GMS magazine. Cheers!

Nice review End.

Thanks, D_M!

One of my players is going to be playing a mystic godling, he has a couple of build ideas/questions - just thought I'd run them by you for balance purposes...

1. Could an exalted domain be substituted for a major ascension?

2. Swapping for base class archetypes...there is a discussion of it on pages 5-6 of the guide to archer archetypes. Depending on which way I go, several of the base class archetypes could be very cool. A godling of strength with the berserker archetype, a godling of war with the battle mystery, a godling of the hunt with the scout archetype, a rakshasa-descended godling with the rakshasa bloodline, etc.

The second question seems like a cool idea to personalize the godling - any suggestions for keeping things balanced beyond following the rules listed in the archer pdf? Are there any base archetypes that you would or wouldn't use with the mystic godling?

Re-post...

Sorry, I missed these. Twice!

One of my players is going to be playing a mystic godling, he has a couple of build ideas/questions - just thought I'd run them by you for balance purposes...

1. Could an exalted domain be substituted for a major ascension?

I wouldn't recommend it. Exalted domains are a lot of oomph. However, I would allow a godling who takes a linneage domain upgrade it to an exalted domain with any ascension, since that's essentially two domains worth of juice.

2. Swapping for base class archetypes...there is a discussion of it on pages 5-6 of the guide to archer archetypes. Depending on which way I go, several of the base class archetypes could be very cool. A godling of strength with the berserker archetype, a godling of war with the battle mystery, a godling of the hunt with the scout archetype, a rakshasa-descended godling with the rakshasa bloodline, etc.

The second question seems like a cool idea to personalize the godling - any suggestions for keeping things balanced beyond following the rules listed in the archer pdf? Are there any base archetypes that you would or wouldn't use with the mystic godling?

My only new note on this is NEVER let a class with a full attack bonus gain judgments. It's horrifying.

One other clarification would be nice. The Mystic godlings don't need to make concentration checks. However, does this mean that casting a spell while in a threatened space does not provoke Opportunity attacks, since the godling doesn't need to make the concentration check?

Also, was there a mechanical effect to the text "As long as a godling feels secure and confident" under the no arcane spell failure text block?

And I love these classes. I would love to see and would easily pay for more material for them. I especially like the idea of a mechanic to incorporate hexes, bloodlines and other class features into the classes.

More traits and talents would be good, especially a mix of low and high level talents. I love class choices that can be developed on top of each other and create a strong theme.

Hope to see more stuff about godlings.
What about a Champion Godling class, with full BAB and paladin/ranger spell progression? It shouldn't be too difficult to make.
Also, what about an optional fifth rank for Divine Traits? Shapeshifter 5, for example, would allow to use Polymorph Any Object on self...

You can't make Hercules already? :)

Yes- but I could use Perseus^^
More's always welcome. I'd like also rules on familiars/animal companions/divine mounts for the godling.

Reviewed. Not exactly what I was looking for, but still a lot of good stuff.

Reviewed. Not exactly what I was looking for, but still a lot of good stuff.

Thanks for the review!

I have a small question about the major ascendancy for the Eldrich godling.

In the pdf it says that an eldrich godling gets 1 minor and 1 major ascendancy at 1st level but on pathfinder SRD it says they only gain a minor ascendancy at 1st level.

Which is correct?

I have a small question about the major ascendancy for the Eldrich godling.

In the pdf it says that an eldrich godling gets 1 minor and 1 major ascendancy at 1st level but on pathfinder SRD it says they only gain a minor ascendancy at 1st level.

Which is correct?

The PDF is correct. It looks like d20pfsrd.com has had a (very rare) case of translation error when they divided the adept and eldritch godling classes from the pdf's original presentation to offering each separately (which is really a better choice for their presentation format).

I'll let d20pfsrd.com know, and I'm sure they'll get it corrected.

I'll let d20pfsrd.com know, and I'm sure they'll get it corrected.

Yep, fixed!

I believe one of the crew has taken care of this. Thanks Owen for letting us know!

Thank you so very much Owen and the people at D20pfsrd.com!

Also just bought the Godling Acendant PDF. SO VERY GOOD!!! Completely worth the money.

Keep up the fantastic work

"Godling Spell" seems a bit unclear. In the Ascendancy and the actual Godling Spells section it does not seem to mention this whole "level restriction" thing... that the feat describes... and based on some levels only having two spells, and having to take a feat/power for each one, I think this is rather limiting... which is correct?

"Godling Spell" seems a bit unclear. In the Ascendancy and the actual Godling Spells section it does not seem to mention this whole "level restriction" thing... that the feat describes... and based on some levels only having two spells, and having to take a feat/power for each one, I think this is rather limiting... which is correct?

The Godling Spell feat works exactly as written, including be limited to no more higher level godling spells than you know lower-level godling spells. That's a function of the feat -- the Godling Spell feat does not give you the godling spell ascendancy, it gives you a godling spell on its own terms. In most cases, characters who take Godling Spell do so because they aren't actually members of a godling class, but have taken Spark of Divinity.

The godling spell minor ascendancy doesn't have the same limitation, as it's taken by godling class characters.

You can of course take Spark of Divinity and then Extra Ascendancy to gain the godling spell ascendancy, but you can only take Extra Ascendancy once per three class levels, so non-godling class characters are still more limited in their total potential number of godling spells, which is by design.

Ah, neat. Much prefer the skipping levels. Thanks!

Possible stupid question: Does paramortal delay the ability increases/decreases from aging?