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The godling is a new character concept designed for use with the Pathfinder RPG. The godling is presented as both a base class (suitable for 1st level characters) and a prestige class (requiring characters to be higher level before taking it).

The godling is a mortal hero in whose veins flows the blood of a god. Cut from the same cloth as classic ancient heroes such as Theseus (fathered by both a mortal father, Aegeus, and a divine father, Poseidon), Memnon (son of a half-nymph mortal father and the titan/goddess Eos), and Helen (the famous beauty who was the daughter of Zeus), most godlings are the offspring of a god and a mortal humanoid who drew the god’s eye. Godlings are not demigods—at least not yet—for their birth on the material plane prevents them from being classified as outsiders. Initially bound to the dust and earth of their birthplace, godlings are nonetheless more than mere mortals. They have inherited divine powers that, with time and experience, grow and allow godlings to rise and become powerful and famous heroes. (Of course there are many other possible origins of godlings—see Godlings in Your Campaign at the end of the product.)

Godlings are blessed (or cursed) with lives of adventure. They are thrust into dangerous quests and major events at a young age and often spend their entire adult lives moving from crisis to crisis, sought out by those who need their help, and hunted by those who wish them harm for no reason other than to spite their godly parents. Many godlings are made aware of their inherent power early in life, and are taught to respect both its origins and the responsibility it conveys. Others have no idea why they are able to perform feats that other mortals cannot, and may think themselves to be freaks or monsters (or some odd kind of sorcerer).

Godling Base Class
The godling base class is for characters that begin play with their deific heritage a known and active part of their lives. These characters know they are scions of the gods and are out to prove themselves worthy heirs by engaging in adventures in the mortal world. The godling base class actually contains two subclasses—clever and mighty godlings. These options are treated as different iterations of the same class, so a character cannot multiclass as two different kinds of godling.

Godling Prestige Class
Not all godlings realize who and want they are at the beginning of their adventuring careers. Indeed, some receive no special powers until their divine parents acknowledge their relationship. The godling prestige class is presented as a way to allow characters to undergo a deific metamorphosis later in their lives.

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Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

And it's up!

Hyrum.


Interesting concept

Cheliax

So now I can play Exalted or Percy Jackson using Pathfinder?


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber

Wow... this sounds very interesting and very cool. (My best friend would love it, absolutely LOVE it). I may have to think about this one very strongly.

Dean, The-Minstrel_Wyrm

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

David Fryer wrote:
So now I can play Exalted or Percy Jackson using Pathfinder?

Yep!

Hyrum.

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

Wow... this sounds very interesting and very cool. (My best friend would love it, absolutely LOVE it). I may have to think about this one very strongly.

Dean, The-Minstrel_Wyrm

It's only $2.99, how can you go wrong? :)

Hyrum.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Nice, very nice. My gaming group and I discovered the game Scion about a month ago and got really hyped up about playing the children of gods. The realized e hated the system.
So this class right here is gonna make a lot of people happy around here.

I have a question thou, a player of mine is playing a cavalier who has slowly but surely started obsessing about becoming a god, and the Godling prestige class seems to fit the bill perfectly.
What are the designer´s thoughts on tweaking the timing of some of the abilities in order to fit the base class ability Demigod into the prestige class? Would it be unbalancing if the PrC isn´t taken until lvl 7?

Thanks in advance.

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

Frerezar wrote:

Nice, very nice. My gaming group and I discovered the game Scion about a month ago and got really hyped up about playing the children of gods. The realized e hated the system.

So this class right here is gonna make a lot of people happy around here.

I have a question thou, a player of mine is playing a cavalier who has slowly but surely started obsessing about becoming a god, and the Godling prestige class seems to fit the bill perfectly.
What are the designer´s thoughts on tweaking the timing of some of the abilities in order to fit the base class ability Demigod into the prestige class? Would it be unbalancing if the PrC isn´t taken until lvl 7?

Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the kind words Frerezar. :)

As for Demigod, we had this same discussion here in Genius Central. While we feel that Demigod should be the capstone reward for 20 levels of godling, it would be possible to allow a godling PRC to pick it up at level 10 but the ability doesn't "activate" until the character is level 20. Make sense?

Hyrum.

Sczarni

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Sonds perfect, the player really likes his character and I don´t want him to be disappointed because he couldn´t use the class when the game started a couple months ago. Thanks.


This looks pretty interesting.


HyrumOWC wrote:
The_Minstrel_Wyrm wrote:

Wow... this sounds very interesting and very cool. (My best friend would love it, absolutely LOVE it). I may have to think about this one very strongly.

Dean, The-Minstrel_Wyrm

It's only $2.99, how can you go wrong? :)

Hyrum.

you salesman you!

You can't go wrong. One cup of coffee from Starbucks is more expensive and much less tasty


Yes!

Take warhammer ...

Add throw and return ...

Add Shock, Shocking Burst, and Thundering ...

Add appropriate feats ...

and voila! Comic book Thor!!! :)

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

Denim N Leather wrote:

Yes!

Take warhammer ...

Add throw and return ...

Add Shock, Shocking Burst, and Thundering ...

Add appropriate feats ...

and voila! Comic book Thor!!! :)

That is made of pure AWESOME! (And expensive (72,312 gp), but still, AWESOME!)

Hyrum.

Cheliax

HyrumOWC wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
So now I can play Exalted or Percy Jackson using Pathfinder?

Yep!

Hyrum.

This is pure awesomeness. I think I'm going to run a whole campaign using just this class. The domain lineage alone should give it plenty of diversity.

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

David Fryer wrote:
HyrumOWC wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
So now I can play Exalted or Percy Jackson using Pathfinder?

Yep!

Hyrum.

This is pure awesomeness. I think I'm going to run a whole campaign using just this class. The domain lineage alone should give it plenty of diversity.

1. It is beyond cool that you came up with a Pantheon High School campaign idea.

2. If you do this, please keep us updated on how it goes!

Cheliax

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
HyrumOWC wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
So now I can play Exalted or Percy Jackson using Pathfinder?

Yep!

Hyrum.

This is pure awesomeness. I think I'm going to run a whole campaign using just this class. The domain lineage alone should give it plenty of diversity.

1. It is beyond cool that you came up with a Pantheon High School campaign idea.

2. If you do this, please keep us updated on how it goes!

If I can sell my players on it I will. So far the one I have talked to in rather iffy about it.

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

David Fryer wrote:
If I can sell my players on it I will. So far the one I have talked to in rather iffy about it.

[Gozer] Are you.... gods?![\Gozer]


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Maps Subscriber

[Winston]... when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"![\Winston]


[Jed] I have an M.D. from Harvard, I am board certified in cardio-thoracic medicine and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their wife doesn't miscarry or that their daughter doesn't bleed to death or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from postoperative shock, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, Dennis, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God. [/Jed]


[Kain]We are gods... dark gods and it is our duty to thin the herd.[/Kain]


Here we are, born to be kings, We're the princes of the universe
Here we belong, Fighting to survive in a world with the darkest powers

And here we are, we're the princes of the universe
Here we belong, fighting for survival
We've come to be the rulers of your world
I am immortal, I have inside me blood of kings
I have no rival, no man can be my equal
Take me to the future of your world

Born to be kings, Princes of the universe
Fighting and free, got your world in my hand
I'm here for your love and I'll make my stand
We were born to be princes of the universe

No man could understand, my power is in my own hand
Oooh, oooh, oooh, oooh
People talk about you, people say you've had your day
I'm a man that will go far, fly the moon and reach for the stars
With my sword and head held high
Got to pass the test first time - yeah
I know that people talk about me I hear it every day
But I can prove you wrong cos' I'm right first time

Yeah, Yeah, Alright, Watch this man fly
Bring on the girls

Here we are, Born to be kings, We're the princes of the universe
Here we belong...
Born to be kings, Princes of the universe, fighting and free
Got the world in my hands
I'm here for your love, and I'll make my stand

We were born to be princes of the universe

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

You all rock!


(Feeling very left out)


Hopefully this is the right thread to ask questions about the Godling class.

Regarding "Divine Mark (Su): The godling gains DR 1/levelled outsider..." What is the concept behind this ability and how does it work?

From what I can tell it is an unusual kind of Damage Reduction that only works against Outsiders and even then, only when the Outsider has at least as many HD as the godling. That is most unusual DR indeed and not exactly a smooth mechanic.

Please advise if I am interpreting this ability incorrectly.

Cheers


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber

I'd interpret it as meaning that the godling has DR1 (or more with if they have the ability more than once) which can only be overcome by an outsider with levels/hit dice equal to or greater than those possessed by the godling.


You are correct Paul.

Update: The wording made it a bit confusing but I get it now. DR 1/”leveled outsider” is almost as good as DR 1/-. Only an outsider of equal or greater HD is going to bypass it. A Barbarian gets DR 3/- at 13th level while a Mighty Godling can get what is pretty much DR 3/- at only 7th level.

It’s unlikely people will be calling the godling base class underpowered.

P.S. Not a fan of calling the DR “leveled outsider” but you guys were obviously stretched to come up with a better name, as am I. “DR/greater outsider” is more intuitive (to me) but I can see how other people could misinterpret that name as well. What about "DR/Greater Power"? Maybe not. Yep, I can see getting a decent name for the DR concept you have in mind is a tough one.

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Silke wrote:

You are correct Paul.

Update: The wording made it a bit confusing but I get it now. DR 1/”leveled outsider” is almost as good as DR 1/-. Only an outsider of equal or greater HD is going to bypass it. A Barbarian gets DR 3/- at 13th level while a Mighty Godling can get what is pretty much DR 3/- at only 7th level.

It’s unlikely people will be calling the godling base class underpowered.

P.S. Not a fan of calling the DR “leveled outsider” but you guys were obviously stretched to come up with a better name, as am I. “DR/greater outsider” is more intuitive (to me) but I can see how other people could misinterpret that name as well. What about "DR/Greater Power"? Maybe not. Yep, I can see getting a decent name for the DR concept you have in mind is a tough one.

It is because we decided to do something odd that I stuck with the name I did. It was my call, and it came after a lot of playtesting. While the name seems odd, my in-play experience was that players who saw "leveled outsider" would -remember- how it worked, and when I tried any other name they'd have to look it up.

And yes, your description of how it works is correct.


So how would one fit this class into Golarion...suggestions?

Cheliax

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Kaelthas, maybe some of those orphans with the last name of Cailean aren't really orphans after all...


Kvantum wrote:
Kaelthas, maybe some of those orphans with the last name of Cailean aren't really orphans after all...

That would work...any others perhapes? The reason is I like this class...allot...but just not sure how to fit into Golorion itself is all. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around it in that world is all.

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

Kaelthas wrote:
So how would one fit this class into Golarion...suggestions?

They could be the children of any of the gods, you might even be able to tie them into the starstone somehow.

We'll also be releasing a companion product to the Godling later this week: The Genius Guide to Mystic Godlings, that expands on the original product. It'll also be our largest product to date, somewhere around 20+ pages.

Hyrum.
Super Genius Games
"We err on the side of awesome."

Andoran

HyrumOWC wrote:
Kaelthas wrote:
So how would one fit this class into Golarion...suggestions?

They could be the children of any of the gods, you might even be able to tie them into the starstone somehow.

We'll also be releasing a companion product to the Godling later this week: The Genius Guide to Mystic Godlings, that expands on the original product. It'll also be our largest product to date, somewhere around 20+ pages.

Hyrum.
Super Genius Games
"We err on the side of awesome."

/cheer

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

Kaelthas wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
Kaelthas, maybe some of those orphans with the last name of Cailean aren't really orphans after all...
That would work...any others perhapes? The reason is I like this class...allot...but just not sure how to fit into Golorion itself is all. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around it in that world is all.

Of course as part of a 3pp I can't include any material on how to adopt SGG ideas to Golorion in the products themselves. Golorion is Pazio's sandbox, and they rightly maintain the editorial control of what gets published for it.

As a rabid Paizo fanboy, however, I can speculate on threads in an unofficial capacity like anyone else. So here are just a few thoughts:

Some godlings may just be the mortal offspring of the gods. Calistria could mother such children, if only to introduce their beauty for mortals to admire. Erastil is the god of family, who says he doesn't have one? Lamashtu took a hyena as a mate, why not an orc? Could Milani decide the best bringer of hope is her own daughter? Nethys was a mortal god king, perhaps he still craves Osirion consorts? What does Zon-Kuthon do to the sacrifices his priests offer him in their black rites?

Even if not sired by gods and mrotals, the power of gods and mortals might create godlings. Imagine the priestess/armorsmith of Gorum, who perfects her art and discoveres she's forged not a suit of armor, but a living dwarf with divine powers. A sea captain sails his ships at the horizon his entire life... one day he actually reaches it, and in return Besmara and Gozreh demands the captain raise an infant the god gives him to be the ultimate sailor. Iomedae was once mortal... perhaps her cousins had children that are mortal, but are blessed by their blood-relation to a god, even if she's not their mother. If a follower of Irori ever reaches absolute perfect, what are their perfect children like? Pharasma is a midwife... what becomes of the mortal child she decides to deliver herself, perhaps from one of her priestesses who dies in childbirth.

It would be easy to tie godlings to the Starstone Cathedral in Absalom. Perhaps godling characters are offspring of those who tried the Test of the Starstone and failed to ascend, but came out alive (if worse for wear). Indeed, you could have a whole cult based on finding the godling children of those the Starstone rejected, in the belief that gathering them in one place might cause them to form into a single new diety. Or maybe a 1st level godling is what's left of a 20th level character who tried the Test, and -almost- succeeded. Not yet a god, and stripped of 20 levels of memory and skill, the character is now young again, and a bit more than mortal.

Perhaps rather than being children of the gods, godlings are offspring of mortals and the most powerful angels and demons. A powerful mortal priest who traveled the planes might have mated with an Empyreal Lord or Archdevil. A powerful noble lady of Cheliax could have decided that what her bloodline -really- needed was children with an archdevil for a father, and she had the political, seductive, and arcane power to arrange that. And Belial was only too delighted to assist. How can Sinashakti learn all there is to know about all people if he never lives with them?

Any godling could be the descendent of a lost line of the god-kings of Ancient Osirion. They may have been truly near-divine, and their family retains that power, even if they are unaware of it.

Some cursed relics of Azlant might have be able to turn someone into a godling, using the same fell powers that destroyed Azlant itself.

Perhaps the Saoc Brethren of Lirgen took their lives in ritual suicide because they knew they would be reborn as godlings in a later age, making modern godlings their reincarnations.

The Runelords of Thassilon certainly would have been interested in stealing the powers of the gods. Perhaps they create rituals that could create godligns, and some of the side-effects os such efforts are still born today.

The Blackfire Adepts are -stated- as having fell powers stolen from otherworldly beings. They could well be written as godlings (especially using the rules from the upcoming spellcaster-friendly Genius Guide to Mystic Godlings), and their children may be changed as a result of those stolen planar powers. And of course, the Riftwardens produce their own outsider-imbued families, whether they mean to or not.

Omens and prophecies no longer work... but where has the power gone that once powered them? With this idea, Omens are no longer visions of the future, they are mortals born with the energy that once fueled prophecy. Since the loss of Aroden, a few mortals of each race are born as Omens, who rather than divinations about the future are powerful beings able to shape the future. Each Omen replaces what would once have been a prognostication of destiny. (And of course, some organizations believe if you kill all the living Omens, prophecy shall return. I recommend the Harbingers for that role.)

What happens if a hemothurge finds a relic that contains the blood of a god?

Who fathered the Odeber family? Perhaps in each generation, they produce one lawful good godling.

Andoran

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Great stuff

All great ideas (I would expect nothing less). Thanks for all the useful unofficial fluff-type info.


I sold the godling class to my sweety, who has just run with the idea and set up a little game for the two of us to try it out (starting off as gladiatorial slaves in Katepesh). We're playing with the Gestalt option to keep things suitably crazy, of course (as is our norm). ;)

At the moment, the 'leader' PC is a mighty godling, and the other three are your standard party mix. It looks like they will be picking up the godling prestige class later on. As two of them are spellcasters, we're very much looking forward to the new Mystic Godling coming out this week. N

Needless to say you've got another buyer right here - thanks for yet another great product! :D

Your Friendly Neighborhood Dalesman
"Bringing Big D**n Justice to the Bad Guys Since 1369 DR"

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Tales Subscriber

Just a heads up:

On Page 2 of this product it reads:

"Clever godlings can assist in combat in similar ways that rouges and bards can but, like those classes often excel at activities outside of battle."

Don't know if you guys will errata the product at any point, but this particular thing is a little pet peeve of mine. Otherwise though, I'm digging the product. ^_^

*thumbs up*

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
"Clever godlings can assist in combat in similar ways that rouges and bards can but, like those classes often excel at activities outside of battle."

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:
Don't know if you guys will errata the product at any point, but this particular thing is a little pet peeve of mine.

Mine too! And I wrote this! dang it!

DM_aka_Dudemeister wrote:

Otherwise though, I'm digging the product. ^_^

*thumbs up*

Glad you enjoy it. We will definitely look at updating the files at some point, so thanks!


Paizo Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Deluxe Comics Subscriber

Maybe doing a text search for the word 'rouge' in your manuscripts would be a helpful addition to the nit-picking process during editing?

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Paul Ryan wrote:
Maybe doing a text search for the word 'rouge' in your manuscripts would be a helpful addition to the nit-picking process during editing?

Of course it would! Along with 40 or 50 other common mistakes.

Which isn't to say we shouldn't avoid such mistakes. But -something- will always creep in.

Shadow Lodge

Sorry it took me so long to post the reveiw Hyrum, it just took me some time to get around to it!

Minister of Propaganda, Super Genius Games

Dragonborn3 wrote:
Sorry it took me so long to post the reveiw Hyrum, it just took me some time to get around to it!

No worries, thanks for thew awesome review!! :)

Hyrum.
Super Genius Games
"We err on the side of awesome."

Andoran

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
Kaelthas wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
Kaelthas, maybe some of those orphans with the last name of Cailean aren't really orphans after all...
That would work...any others perhapes? The reason is I like this class...allot...but just not sure how to fit into Golorion itself is all. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around it in that world is all.

Of course as part of a 3pp I can't include any material on how to adopt SGG ideas to Golorion in the products themselves. Golorion is Pazio's sandbox, and they rightly maintain the editorial control of what gets published for it.

As a rabid Paizo fanboy, however, I can speculate on threads in an unofficial capacity like anyone else. So here are just a few thoughts:

From one rabid Paizo fanboy to another ... these are some REALLY cool ideas!


I do not have my guide handy but one of my players chose the feat that gives you an extra Divine Trait and took the one that gave you an extra 1st level spell once per day as a spell-like ability twice for 2 different 1st level spells twice per day, (Charm Person from the Charm Domain, and Hypnotism from the Enchantment School.) if the play spends his next 2 traits on (Can not remember trait name...sorry) at Trait II do both 1st level spells increase to 2 per day?

Sorry I can't think of the exact names right now...

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Realmwalker wrote:

I do not have my guide handy but one of my players chose the feat that gives you an extra Divine Trait and took the one that gave you an extra 1st level spell once per day as a spell-like ability twice for 2 different 1st level spells twice per day, (Charm Person from the Charm Domain, and Hypnotism from the Enchantment School.) if the play spends his next 2 traits on (Can not remember trait name...sorry) at Trait II do both 1st level spells increase to 2 per day?

Sorry I can't think of the exact names right now...

Okay, so a player has taken the Emergent Divinity feat to gain 1 rank of divine traits, and has now bought Divine Power I twice, giving him two 1st level spells.

And the question is, if he buys Divine Power II, does it increase his uses per day of both spells gained from the two Divine Power I traits, or just one. Is that right?

Clever player. In most cases it's obvious taking the same divine trait more than once doesn't do you any good -- the bonuses are from the same source, and if you don't need to eat you can't "really, really not need to eat." There probably ought to be a rule to handle the exceptions (like this), but it never came up in playtest.

From a RAI perspective, I can firmly saw no, only one Divine Power I spell gets the bonus.

From a RAW perspective I'd make the same argument, but I'm on shakier ground. DP II says "The godling may now cast the 1st-level spell gained from Divine Power I twice per day." (Emphasis mine.) The use of a singular article means you only get to boost the power of a single spell you gained from one rank of DP I with DP II.

That said, I would allow him to have (for example) DP I: Air Domain and DP I: Evocation as two different lines of DP traits. Thus when he took DP II, he'd have to decide between DP II: Air Domain and and DP II: Evocation. Once he gets enough divine rank traits, of course, he could buy both.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Maps, Modules, Pawns Subscriber

So I like the idea behind it...but on a read through it appears to be fairly weak in execution though the L20 Capstone is kinda neat, though I think it'd be better if it started building up earlier since rarely to people get much chance to play at or beyond 20.

I'm going to have a couple of my power gamers have a look and see what they think.


Spyderz wrote:

So I like the idea behind it...but on a read through it appears to be fairly weak in execution though the L20 Capstone is kinda neat, though I think it'd be better if it started building up earlier since rarely to people get much chance to play at or beyond 20.

I'm going to have a couple of my power gamers have a look and see what they think.

I've found godlings to be a really neat, and effective, addition to my own games without ever being overpowering.

You CAN build a weak godling if you;re not good at finding synergy, but that's the price for having such a flexible class.


I just bought both of the Godling books and I must say they are made of delicious maple flavored pixels dipped in succulent peanut butter sauce. With them i can make quite a few concepts I've been wracking my brain around bending the rules to make. I do however have one question.

Is the Sneak Attack talent meant to be available only once? While nice that makes it rather 'meh'. As it is IF you could take it more then once (blowing all your Scion talents) on it you would have 9d6 which is still less then a rogue of equal level.

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SimianChaos wrote:
I just bought both of the Godling books and I must say they are made of delicious maple flavored pixels dipped in succulent peanut butter sauce. With them i can make quite a few concepts I've been wracking my brain around bending the rules to make.

I'm really glad you find it so flavorful! Also, now I want maple peanut butter...

SimianChaos wrote:

I do however have one question.

Is the Sneak Attack talent meant to be available only once?

It is indeed designed as a one-off talent, so you can get a mildly useful 1d6 sneak attack (because you are clever), rather than an option to take up to 9d6.

This is because a clever godling has access to some considerable combat options, when you add in all possible talents and divine traits, so even with the BAB of a rogue, you CAN make a clever godling who does a LOT of damage, especially if you want to create an alpha-strike character who is (literally) a god for one encounter.

I could see clear to allowing a clever godling to have 1d6 of sneak attack per 4 levels, but any more than that and the class can be too dangerous. Of course if you trust your players (or are building an NPC) and there's no rogue in the group to annoy, there's no harm in allowing a reasonable build with more sneak attack. Just don't let a min/maxer do the same thing.


Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:


It is indeed designed as a one-off talent, so you can get a mildly useful 1d6 sneak attack (because you are clever), rather than an option to take up to 9d6.

This is because a clever godling has access to some considerable combat options, when you add in all possible talents and divine traits, so even with the BAB of a rogue, you CAN make a clever godling who does a LOT of damage, especially if you want to create an alpha-strike character who is (literally) a god for one encounter.

See I had not thought of it in that light, that is a very good point thanks. :)

Paizo Employee Modules Overlord

SimianChaos wrote:
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
you CAN make a clever godling who does a LOT of damage, especially if you want to create an alpha-strike character who is (literally) a god for one encounter.
See I had not thought of it in that light, that is a very good point thanks. :)

I hadn't either, originally. Then the first godling playtest hit...

Min/maxer make great playtesters, but they will take a few years off your life.

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