Hobbun |
FWIW, the errata is available for download, and it's not that dramatic ... one can even apply it using a pencil or sticky notes.
I don't know, there were quite a few people earlier in the thread pointing out mistakes with tables, incorrect damage on weapons, etc.
But even still, may as well wait for the second printing to come out instead of keeping a seperate piece of paper (with the errata) where it might get lost.
Not something I need right now, anyways. However, would be nice to be able to pick it up at GenCon.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
I've got some bad news regarding the second printing.
It appears that we sent the wrong file to the printer—the *only* change made was the correction on page 4 (In the Meteor Hammer entry, change “gain a +1 shield bonus to AC” to “gain reach and a +1 shield bonus to AC.”). The title page was not updated, so it doesn't say "Second Printing" anywhere—the only way to distinguish it is the presence of two additional words on page 4. We've been shipping this version from our warehouse for a couple of weeks now, and we'll have this version at Gen Con next week. We do not currently anticipate reprinting this volume again.
While we were trying to track down exactly what happened, we prepared a new revision that incorporated all of the changes from the errata document we posted a couple of weeks ago, plus a few additional things we'd spotted since posting that errata. In the near future (probably shortly after Gen Con, but possibly sooner) we will be updating the PDF to this new version, and we'll also post a revised errata incorporating all of the changes. Again, we do *not* plan to actually reprint the book to incorporate these changes—for the foreseeable future, the version with the page 4 change will be the only version in print.
Hobbun |
I've got some bad news regarding the second printing.
It appears that we sent the wrong file to the printer—the *only* change made was the correction on page 4 (In the Meteor Hammer entry, change “gain a +1 shield bonus to AC” to “gain reach and a +1 shield bonus to AC.”). The title page was not updated, so it doesn't say "Second Printing" anywhere—the only way to distinguish it is the presence of two additional words on page 4. We've been shipping this version from our warehouse for a couple of weeks now, and we'll have this version at Gen Con next week. We do not currently anticipate reprinting this volume again.
While we were trying to track down exactly what happened, we prepared a new revision that incorporated all of the changes from the errata document we posted a couple of weeks ago, plus a few additional things we'd spotted since posting that errata. In the near future (probably shortly after Gen Con, but possibly sooner) we will be updating the PDF to this new version, and we'll also post a revised errata incorporating all of the changes. Again, we do *not* plan to actually reprint the book to incorporate these changes—for the foreseeable future, the version with the page 4 change will be the only version in print.
Aw crap. There were quite a few changes that needed to be made, as well. At least all the ones brought up in this thread earlier on.
:(
Matthew Morris RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8 |
gdsims |
Ok, it takes a while to re-read 509 posts just to be sure I didn't miss anything.
The Chain Spear: The description of the weapon (A short spear and a spiky chain with hook) as well as the way the damage is listed (1d6/1d6) leads me to believe this should have the 'double' special. Is this a double weapon?
Mosaic |
Ok, it takes a while to re-read 509 posts just to be sure I didn't miss anything.
The Chain Spear: The description of the weapon (A short spear and a spiky chain with hook) as well as the way the damage is listed (1d6/1d6) leads me to believe this should have the 'double' special. Is this a double weapon?
I can't answer your question, but you might check the APG. I know the chain spear is in there too. I almost wonder if the APG is the Armory done right.
Gorbacz |
I almost wonder if the APG is the Armory done right.
It is ;-) The most important items got reprinted with several errata (Brass Knuckles are finally a MONK weapon, instead of being almost a monk weapon and counting as a monk weapon for everything except the things it should count for as a monk weapon.)
Steve Geddes |
I know there were no plans to reprint this back in July/August, but was wondering how things are looking at the moment. I got my subscription copy then got a replacement copy with the second printing (to get all the errata) and am hoping this eventually makes it to a third printing (with the actual errata included). I'm not in any mad rush, but am I wasting the 'hope' part of my brain on this, or is it selling as strongly as the first printing did?
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
I know there were no plans to reprint this back in July/August, but was wondering how things are looking at the moment. I got my subscription copy then got a replacement copy with the second printing (to get all the errata) and am hoping this eventually makes it to a third printing (with the actual errata included). I'm not in any mad rush, but am I wasting the 'hope' part of my brain on this, or is it selling as strongly as the first printing did?
Well, we didn't expect the second printing to sell as strongly as the first printing... but we are nevertheless selling though it a bit better than we expected. Still, our current stock will likely last us a while, and the question of whether it gets reprinted or replaced by something else probably won't need to be answered for a while yet.
Steve Geddes |
Steve Geddes wrote:I know there were no plans to reprint this back in July/August, but was wondering how things are looking at the moment. I got my subscription copy then got a replacement copy with the second printing (to get all the errata) and am hoping this eventually makes it to a third printing (with the actual errata included). I'm not in any mad rush, but am I wasting the 'hope' part of my brain on this, or is it selling as strongly as the first printing did?Well, we didn't expect the second printing to sell as strongly as the first printing... but we are nevertheless selling though it a bit better than we expected. Still, our current stock will likely last us a while, and the question of whether it gets reprinted or replaced by something else probably won't need to be answered for a while yet.
No worries. Thanks for the answer.
Dragnmoon |
I was planning on getting the PDF once I was sure all of errata was incorporated in it. Since it has been quite some time, has all (or most) of the errata been incorporated into the book? If so, then I can finally purchase it.
All the Errata most likely you will ever see is now in the PDF, But Is not in the printed book.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Razz wrote:I was planning on getting the PDF once I was sure all of errata was incorporated in it. Since it has been quite some time, has all (or most) of the errata been incorporated into the book? If so, then I can finally purchase it.All the Errata most likely you will ever see is now in the PDF, But Is not in the printed book.
Are you aware of any issues still outstanding?
Dragnmoon |
Dragnmoon wrote:Are you aware of any issues still outstanding?Razz wrote:I was planning on getting the PDF once I was sure all of errata was incorporated in it. Since it has been quite some time, has all (or most) of the errata been incorporated into the book? If so, then I can finally purchase it.All the Errata most likely you will ever see is now in the PDF, But Is not in the printed book.
Nop, that one of the reasons I said what I said.
Russ Taylor Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6 |
you aware of any issues still outstanding?
There are still issues.
Here's some issues some observations...
Dog, combat trained for 25 gp seems awfully cheap for a medium dog's stats, especially now that the summon monster I table's been fixed to not include medium dogs. But looking into the thread, this seems to not be an error.
Alchemist's fire and liquid ice have issues involving the wording on their resist energy and protection from energy lines. Basically, both have a contradiction on the use of the words fire and cold within the sections. I'm guessing alc. fire should be fire on both (since it buffs fire spells) and liquid ice should be cold on both (since it buffs col spells).
Missing DC on the hidden pommel
Sica is heavier than the weapon it's described as being lighter than (the shotel).
Also, the sica's stats don't make much sense for an exotic weapon, but that may not be a mistake. It really needs an x3 crit like the shotel to be worth taking (the two weapons are supposed to be related). I'd also make the sica P or S instead of just S, to fit with shotel being P, but again that may not be errata.
The cost and weight of the combat scabbard need to be added to the equipment tables
The person limit for tents probably should be added
The madu needs a line about being a light weapon for proficient users
The battle poi need "usable with weapon finesse" added
That's what I've found that appears to not be in the errata...
hogarth |
Dog, combat trained for 25 gp seems awfully cheap for a medium dog's stats, especially now that the summon monster I table's been fixed to not include medium dogs. But looking into the thread, this seems to not be an error.
Actually, in this post from October, Sean back-tracked and admitted that it should be a Small dog.
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
Russ Taylor Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6 |
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
One more possible error - scizore, damage type P. From the art and description, it looks like it should be damage type S.
Well, as used on The Deadliest Warrior, it's a punching weapon, to great effect. Check this link and skip to 16:00
http://www.spike.com/full-episode/apache-vs-gladiator/31444
HalfOrcHeavyMetal |
Normally have nothing but praise for Pathfinder Manuals of all stripes but this .... felt somewhat lack-luster to me. Having the descriptions and the actual data on the same or opposite pages would have helped avoid scrolling fatigue in the PDF version and sadly sections of this book seem to be little more than errata for another manual. That said it is on the only book I've gotten off Pathfinder where this has happened, and this thing is packed with useful information for players of all stripes.
That gripe out of the way, non-combat pets and the origins of most of the common 'Familiar' animals, more clothing options, a statted out price for slaves for GM to use (Mwahahahaha!) Equipment Tricks to add some more bang to the already formidable buck of the Combat Maneuver Feats, Foci for the Divine Caster Classes to have fun with, MOAR FEATS (and traits while we're at it!), STATTED BOOZE, entertainment items such as puzzle boxes, a list of 'black market' items to throw at the PCs and watch them squirm and more.
While reading I was a little disappointed for aforementioned 'flaw', I'd still buy this even knowing about it before-hand. $11 for a hard-cover, $8 for a PDF with all of those lovely little gems, well worth every copper, errrr, cent.
Hecknoshow |
I just finished my first skim through this and I've got to say I really enjoyed the read. Especially the equipment tricks. I'm already coming up with a few ideas of my own but I'd love to see this idea taken a little further, any plans for that?
A few layout issues concerning placement of the tables vs actually descriptive text, but the book isn't huge so its not such a big deal.
Maze |
Alchemist's fire and liquid ice have issues involving the wording on their resist energy and protection from energy lines. Basically, both have a contradiction on the use of the words fire and cold within the sections. I'm guessing alc. fire should be fire on both (since it buffs fire spells) and liquid ice should be cold on both (since it buffs col spells).
I have not been able to find an authoritative answer anywhere.
I am going with the above interpretation during the meanwhile.
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
I have not been able to find an authoritative answer anywhere.
I am going with the above interpretation during the meanwhile.
Alchemist's fire: Protection from energy and resist energy should refer to cold damage (it's hot, thus it helps protect against cold).
Liquid ice: Protection from energy and resist energy should refer to fire damage (it's cold, thus it helps protect against fire).
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
I have an important, but slightly complicated update.
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What you really need to know:
The second printing of Adventurer's Armory is now shipping from paizo.com.
If you own the previous print edition, you'll want to download the errata PDF we released today, which lists the changes made between printings. You'll find it linked at the bottom of the product description.
The PDF has also been updated to match the latest printing; if you have access to it, just visit your My Downloads page to get the latest version.
(In addition to the textual changes listed in the errata PDF, we also updated the branding, replacing the old "Pathfinder Companion" logo with the newer "Pathfinder Player Companion" logo.)
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Additional complicated bits, for those interested in printing trivia:
Some of you may recall that we actually reprinted the Adventurer's Armory once before, and that due to a mix-up with the printer, only one of the changes we had intended to make actually got made. However, at that time, we went ahead and released the full errata that we had prepared anyway. The errata released today contains several additional changes, so even if you downloaded the old one, you'll want to download the new one.
Since there was only one minor difference between the first two print runs, and since the credits page of the last reprint didn't actually get updated to *say* it was the second printing, we're counting that reprint as the second part of the first printing.
The version we released today is identified as the second printing at the bottom of the credits page, right above "Printed in China."
Mosaic |
The second printing of Adventurer's Armory is now shipping from paizo.com.
Good news! And thanks for the insight into the trials and tribulations with this one, especially the explanation of the first-and-a-halfth printing.
chopswil |
The second printing of Adventurer's Armory is now shipping from paizo.com.If you own the previous print edition, you'll want to download the errata PDF we released today, which lists the changes made between printings. You'll find it linked at the bottom of the product description.
I'm not seeing an Adventurer's Armory errata pdf in "My Downloads"
Where's the errata pdf located?
Sniggevert |
Vic Wertz wrote:
The second printing of Adventurer's Armory is now shipping from paizo.com.If you own the previous print edition, you'll want to download the errata PDF we released today, which lists the changes made between printings. You'll find it linked at the bottom of the product description.
I'm not seeing an Adventurer's Armory errata pdf in "My Downloads"
Where's the errata pdf located?
It's on this page at the top, below the product description.
EDIT:Emphasis mine, bolded relevant part.
jreyst |
So my question then is, which item is correct if a piece of equipment appears in both the AA and the APG yet even after the latest errata there are differences? Brass knuckles for instance. The latest errata says brass knuckles go from unarmed to light melee, yet the APG has them listed as unarmed. Should we assume that since this errata is the most recent document dealing with that item (or any other with a similar situation) that the new AA errata is to be the correct one?
Dragnmoon |
So the only way to tell the Difference between the old second printing and the new second printing is the new Logo on the front?
Will you guys have a copy of the New Second printing at GenCon?
Lisa Stevens CEO |
Dragnmoon |
Yep. I have been told that it made the truck heading out to GenCon.-Lisa
Cool, something for me to spend my Store Credit on.
Zaister |
So the only way to tell the Difference between the old second printing and the new second printing is the new Logo on the front?
No:
Since there was only one minor difference between the first two print runs, and since the credits page of the last reprint didn't actually get updated to *say* it was the second printing, we're counting that reprint as the second part of the first printing.
The version we released today is identified as the second printing at the bottom of the credits page, right above "Printed in China."
Hobbun |
Shoot, I wish I did end up waiting on purchasing this. I went and bought the ‘old’ 2nd printing, as I didn’t think Paizo would make another printing after the mix up with the printer.
Now, I'm not sure if I should purchase the new book, or just get the PDF. The difference in price is pretty negligible. Decisions, decisions.
Eric Clingenpeel |
Shoot, I wish I did end up waiting on purchasing this. I went and bought the ‘old’ 2nd printing, as I didn’t think Paizo would make another printing after the mix up with the printer.
Now, I'm not sure if I should purchase the new book, or just get the PDF. The difference in price is pretty negligible. Decisions, decisions.
That's why I bought both in the beginning... :) I have a hard copy to let players browse, and I have a PDF that gets updated.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Dragnmoon wrote:So the only way to tell the Difference between the old second printing and the new second printing is the new Logo on the front?No:
Vic Wertz wrote:Since there was only one minor difference between the first two print runs, and since the credits page of the last reprint didn't actually get updated to *say* it was the second printing, we're counting that reprint as the second part of the first printing.
The version we released today is identified as the second printing at the bottom of the credits page, right above "Printed in China."
To be very specific:
Original first printings can be distinguished from the second part of the first printing only by examining the Meteor Hammer text on page 4. The original first printing says “gain a +1 shield bonus to AC”; the second part of the first printing says “gain reach and a +1 shield bonus to AC.” They are otherwise identical.
The second printing has changes throughout as spelled out in the errata PDF, as well as the new logo and the addition of the words "Second Printing" above "Printed in China" on the credits page.
Sean K Reynolds Contributor |
So my question then is, which item is correct if a piece of equipment appears in both the AA and the APG yet even after the latest errata there are differences? Brass knuckles for instance. The latest errata says brass knuckles go from unarmed to light melee, yet the APG has them listed as unarmed. Should we assume that since this errata is the most recent document dealing with that item (or any other with a similar situation) that the new AA errata is to be the correct one?
The updated AA is the most recent version of the brass knuckles. When the APG is next reprinted, we'll update the weapon stats there (presumably, unless some great revelation happens about how bk's should work, to the version in the new AA).
Zaister |
So, this means the brass knuckles work as follows for a monk:
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- can be used to make flurry of blows attacks
- can deal monk's unarmed damage instead of the default 1d3
- cannot be used to make a stunning fist attack
- cannot benefit from an amulet of mighty fists
Correct?