What is Kingmaker?!?

I'm going with "soon to be announced AP".

I'm going with "soon to be announced AP".

Yeah, but i want more information than that :(

Yeah...I didn't say I was going far, just which direction...
They're trying to short-circuit the part of our brain that stops us from hitting "add to cart" every time we see it with all these announcements!

Legacy of Fire is AP #4. It's the one we're going to be launching in a few weeks.

Council of Thieves is AP #5. It launches at Gen Con, and will be the first PF RPG AP.

Kingmaker is AP #6. It's set in the River Kingdoms. That's about all we'll be saying about it for many months, though! :)

Wouldn't that be a bad thing?

Oh well I haven't had to worry about that urge since I superscribed :D

River Kingdom plus "Kingmaker" sounds like a great AP to me :)

Legacy of Fire is AP #4. It's the one we're going to be launching in a few weeks.

Council of Thieves is AP #5. It launches at Gen Con, and will be the first PF RPG AP.

Kingmaker is AP #6. It's set in the River Kingdoms. That's about all we'll be saying about it for many months, though! :)

I just noticed that this post was there... huh.

many <= 4, when the next announcements are going to be made.

Wow, River Kingdoms AP? That sounds fun, could the end result be the PCs ruling their own robber barony?

Kingmaker is AP #6. It's set in the River Kingdoms. That's about all we'll be saying about it for many months, though! :)

Huzzar, months of wild speculation and intense dissection of any sentence that falls from James' lips/pen/keyboard.

All I know so far is that this will be the first AP in which the PCs begin as Vargouilles questing for ancient magics that will return their bodies.

Wow, River Kingdoms AP? That sounds fun, could the end result be the PCs ruling their own robber barony?

Gosh I hope so. I've been trying to write my own campaign based in the river kingdoms along just those lines.

Anyways a Chronicle for the River Kingdoms will be very helpful either way.

Cool! I'm looking forward to a scourcebook on one of my favorite regions of Golarion! And an AP named KINGMAKER? Where do I have to sign in?! :-)

And that is followed by KINGSLAYER and that is followed by Clash of the Kingslayers... hmmm... don't we already have that? Is that a prequel AP? Apisode One?

<banter mode off>

Just kidding around. I find the chaotic political environment of the River Kingdoms ideal for an Adventure Path.

And that is followed by KINGSLAYER and that is followed by Clash of the Kingslayers... hmmm... don't we already have that? Is that a prequel AP? Apisode One?

<banter mode off>

Just kidding around. I find the chaotic political environment of the River Kingdoms ideal for an Adventure Path.

No, no... once you've playd Clash of the Kingslayers, don't you need a new king? Ergo, Kingmaker! ;)

Whoa....Kingmaker. I can't believe missed that earlier in the week. That is quite a teaser.

Just the name alone makes me want to get my hands on it :)

this sounds like a Game of Thrones...
this i approve :D

I was hoping it would have been done by Ed Greenwood. No offence meant James. Has Paizo approached Ed about doing one of the Pathfinder Books?

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I was hoping it would have been done by Ed Greenwood. No offence meant James. Has Paizo approached Ed about doing one of the Pathfinder Books?

18DELTA

James Jacobs is our standard placeholder for all products that we don't know who the author is. He won't be writing this book as far as I know, and we haven't announced who will be yet. Once we have an author, we'll change the name on the website here.

-Lisa

Thanks. Still hoping for an Ed Greenwood Pathfinder Book. That would be pure win.

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Thanks. Still hoping for an Ed Greenwood Pathfinder Book. That would be pure win.

18DELTA

Do you know that Ed contributed to the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting book?

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Thanks. Still hoping for an Ed Greenwood Pathfinder Book. That would be pure win.

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Do you know that Ed contributed to the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting book?

And many of us are surely hoping that you'll use Ed as a freelancer on more projects! 'Dwarves of Golarion', for example, would be pure gold if done by Ed -- I'm still using his book 'Dwarven Deep' in every FR campaign I run. :)

(BTW, did Ed write the stuff on Hold of Belkzen in the Campaign Setting? That was an amazing bit that surely felt like his work! :))

In terms of actual content/inspiration, I wouldn't mind seeing a nod or two towards Moorcock's Young Kingdoms.

Yes I knew Ed worked on the Campaign Book. That was one of the reasons I bought it. :) Ed doing a Pathfinder Chronicals Book would be pure win

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I was hoping it would have been done by Ed Greenwood. No offence meant James. Has Paizo approached Ed about doing one of the Pathfinder Books?

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No offense taken.

We've talked with Ed in the past and he's worked on stuff with us before (such as the aforementioned Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting Hardcover), and we'll be quite likely to talk to him again to get him to work on other Pathfinder products as well. He's a busy guy though, and getting his schedule to sync up with Paizo's is a tricky task...

In any case, we haven't announced who's writing this book yet, mostly because we're still assigning parts of the book. It won't be by one author, though... that's all I know for sure right now.

Legacy of Fire is AP #4. It's the one we're going to be launching in a few weeks.

Council of Thieves is AP #5. It launches at Gen Con, and will be the first PF RPG AP.

Kingmaker is AP #6. It's set in the River Kingdoms. That's about all we'll be saying about it for many months, though! :)

I wonder if two months is enough "many".

James Jacobs wrote:

Legacy of Fire is AP #4. It's the one we're going to be launching in a few weeks.

Council of Thieves is AP #5. It launches at Gen Con, and will be the first PF RPG AP.

Kingmaker is AP #6. It's set in the River Kingdoms. That's about all we'll be saying about it for many months, though! :)

I wonder if two months is enough "many".

Mr Mona has let slip some stuff about Kingmaker here.

Thanks Zombieneighbor!

I am looking to these kingdoms with great interest.

Kingmaker is also the name of a Neverwinter Nights premium module sold by Bioware. I guess that's not a problem though since it's a video game rather than a tabletop game?

Hmm, perhaps they should change the name. People might read too much into that.

Oh, for crying out loud. Kingmaker is also a boardgame from the 1970s about the War of the Roses, a British Indie Rock band, a Marvel comics character, and the bloody 16th Earl of Warwick, with whom the term originates.

Nobody's going to be confused or litigious about this because Neverwinter Nights went to the well, too.

OT
Yeah, I hate flip-floppers. Why can't we just count on people to be good Yorkists?

Oh, for crying out loud. Kingmaker is also a boardgame from the 1970s about the War of the Roses, a British Indie Rock band, a Marvel comics character, and the bloody 16th Earl of Warwick, with whom the term originates.

Nobody's going to be confused or litigious about this because Neverwinter Nights went to the well, too.

::applauds::

Thanks for the historical perspective. Usually you have to go to the Richard III Society to see Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick, referenced on on a message board. :)

Right-thinking is invasive. Being right-thinking about Pathfinder increases your chances of being right-thinking about Good King Richard. I'm waiting for somebody to sign on to the compatibility license and offer a historically accurate (i.e., Ricardist) War of the Roses sourcebook.

I'm a shameless threadjacker, sorry.

Respect for Old Dicky Neville is secondary to my needs than that we use the X-Men villain whose power was loan sharkery.

Neville was an opportunist, not a loyalist, no?

You've got too many shark things going on in different threads. I'm having to look too many things up!

You've got too many shark things going on in different threads. I'm having to look too many things up!

I live to serve.

OT

Yeah, I hate flip-floppers. Why can't we just count on people to be good Yorkists?

Marshall to Thetford with 50 men!

Man, I gotta keep an eye out for a copy of that game. It's OOP, right?

Oh, for crying out loud. Kingmaker is also a boardgame from the 1970s about the War of the Roses, a British Indie Rock band, a Marvel comics character, and the bloody 16th Earl of Warwick, with whom the term originates.

Nobody's going to be confused or litigious about this because Neverwinter Nights went to the well, too.

Learn something new every day. I never heard of any of that stuff you mentioned but I think the 16th Earl of Warwick gets the title.

Man, I gotta keep an eye out for a copy of that game. It's OOP, right?

Yep.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZkingmakerQ20boardQ20gameQQ_armrsZ1QQ_f romZQQ_mdoZ

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Oh, for crying out loud. Kingmaker is also a boardgame from the 1970s about the War of the Roses, a British Indie Rock band, a Marvel comics character, and the bloody 16th Earl of Warwick, with whom the term originates.

Nobody's going to be confused or litigious about this because Neverwinter Nights went to the well, too.

Learn something new every day. I never heard of any of that stuff you mentioned but I think the 16th Earl of Warwick gets the title.

Of course, this is also where GRRM gets some of his inspiration for the titular head of the Lannisters.

Of course, this is also where GRRM gets some of his inspiration for the titular head of the Lannisters.

It's fun to go through the A Game of Thrones and tag all the thinly-veiled analogs to historical figures from the War of the Roses. :)

Right-thinking is invasive. Being right-thinking about Pathfinder increases your chances of being right-thinking about Good King Richard. I'm waiting for somebody to sign on to the compatibility license and offer a historically accurate (i.e., Ricardist) War of the Roses sourcebook.

I'm a shameless threadjacker, sorry.

But since you're a Ricardist, all is forgiven.

A few years back, I was asked to write an article entitled "Richard III and the Princes in the Tower" for Renaissance Magazine. I started out a traditionalist, but by the time I'd read a stack of books (I always do way too much research) arguing both sides (actually, "several sides" would be more accurate), I ended up firmly in the Richardist camp.

And yes, a War of the Roses source book sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

So, how far ahead do you guys try and get the cover art done? Like this is a Dec. release, but with it going to the printers, wouldn't it need to be done like next month?

So, how far ahead do you guys try and get the cover art done? Like this is a Dec. release, but with it going to the printers, wouldn't it need to be done like next month?

Covers usually go up a month or so before the release of the product, they may have some, but they are rarely put up on the website until a month or so before the product. Hope that helps.

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Of course, this is also where GRRM gets some of his inspiration for the titular head of the Lannisters.

It's fun to go through the A Game of Thrones and tag all the thinly-veiled analogs to historical figures from the War of the Roses. :)

What about the Game of Porcelain Thrones?

So, how far ahead do you guys try and get the cover art done? Like this is a Dec. release, but with it going to the printers, wouldn't it need to be done like next month?

We generally try to order art for covers very early, often six months or more before the book ships to the printer. But also, we give our cover artists a long time to perfect the covers. In addition, the actual design of the cover usually ends up being one of the last steps in the process. As for shipping to printer dates, those are generally 2 months before release... so we're still five months ahead of when we'll have to start thinking about that for this product.