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Kill Doctor Lucky

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The Origins Award–winning board game from James Ernest and Cheapass Games comes to your gaming table in a new full-color, high-quality deluxe edition featuring components on par with the best European board games.

Kill Doctor Lucky pits 3 to 7 players against each other in a race to see who can kill Doctor Lucky. The trick is that all the other players want to do it first and will stop at nothing to prevent you from having the pleasure. And the old doctor has earned his nickname well: he's got more lives than Rasputin and an uncanny knack for dodging your best traps. But his luck can't last forever. Before the game is over, someone is going to kill Doctor Lucky—wouldn't you rather it were you?

Everyone starts in the Drawing Room, and everyone wants to kill Doctor Lucky. Players move around the mansion looking for weapons and trying to catch the old man alone. Trying to kill the Doctor is pretty easy, but every other player can play Failure cards to stop you. Doctor Lucky's luck runs out eventually, though, and you just hope you can catch him when it does.

This new edition now includes the "...And His Little Dog Too!" expansion—three rules variants that feature Doctor Lucky's dog, Shamrock. He's just as lucky as his master and has an annoying habit of making you feel fond of him.

    Kill Doctor Lucky includes:
  • a full-color game board
  • a deck of 96 full-color cards
  • full-color rule book
  • 30 spite tokens
  • pawns and stands for seven players, Doctor Lucky, and his dog

Play the original Kill Doctor Lucky at GameTable Online!

Kill Doctor Lucky Rulebook

The rulebook for Kill Doctor Lucky is available as a PDF. - Download (242kb zip/PDF)

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Product Discussion (47)
Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Kill Doctor Lucky, which sold out last holiday season, is returning to print, with a new lower price—and it now includes the "...And His Little Dog Too!" expansion!

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber
Vic Wertz wrote:

Kill Doctor Lucky, which sold out last holiday season, is returning to print, with a new lower price—and it now includes the "...And His Little Dog Too!" expansion!

Are the components inferior? Basically why is it cheaper AND have the expansion in it?

Not that I will not be getting it but just curious.

Sean

Paizo Employee CEO

thenorthman wrote:

Are the components inferior? Basically why is it cheaper AND have the expansion in it?

Not that I will not be getting it but just curious.

Sean

A couple of things. The first version had painted wood pawns. Because of all the issues with proving that the painted pawns weren't full of lead and such, we decided to go with cardboard characters representing the various people trying to kill the good doctor instead. We also found a really good printing price that allowed us to drop the price to the $29.99, a pricepoint that we were always aiming for but couldn't because of the printing price. Now, are the cardboard characters with all new art inferior to generic painted pawns? I guess that is something that each person will have to answer for themselves. Personally, I think that it is a step up in quality.

-Lisa

Taldor

The cardboard characters look pretty cool in the picture provided. I can't wait to get this!

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Can we buy the cardboard characters separately? I already have the game and the Doggie Expansion.

Sczarni

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carborundum wrote:
Can we buy the cardboard characters separately? I already have the game and the Doggie Expansion.

I was going to ask the same thing... I have the game and the metal Dr Lucky mini, but he looks so much beter than the player peices

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

carborundum wrote:
Can we buy the cardboard characters separately? I already have the game and the Doggie Expansion.

Hmm. We hadn't considered that, but we can look into it...

Contributor

Vic Wertz wrote:
carborundum wrote:
Can we buy the cardboard characters separately? I already have the game and the Doggie Expansion.
Hmm. We hadn't considered that, but we can look into it...

I'd be interested in that myself, especially if it came with a spare copy of the rules sheet.

My 1st edition and the dog are all nice quality, except the rules sheet, which was printed on overly thin paper to withstand playing with my niece and nephew. Something with heavier cardstock would be nice.

Paizo Employee Developer

I'm super excited to play this! I've wanted it for a few years now and finally getting the chance to pick it up will be awesome.

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32

Vic Wertz wrote:
Hmm. We hadn't considered that, but we can look into it...

Trust the boards to throw you a wobbly ;-)

Paizo Employee Developer

carborundum wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Hmm. We hadn't considered that, but we can look into it...
Trust the boards to throw you a wobbly ;-)

Is it just me or does "throw you a wobbly" sound like something dirty?


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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
carborundum wrote:
Can we buy the cardboard characters separately? I already have the game and the Doggie Expansion.
Hmm. We hadn't considered that, but we can look into it...

I'd be interested in that myself, especially if it came with a spare copy of the rules sheet.

My 1st edition and the dog are all nice quality, except the rules sheet, which was printed on overly thin paper to withstand playing with my niece and nephew. Something with heavier cardstock would be nice.

+1.

Contributor

Lisa Stevens wrote:
thenorthman wrote:

Are the components inferior? Basically why is it cheaper AND have the expansion in it?

Not that I will not be getting it but just curious.

Sean

A couple of things. The first version had painted wood pawns. Because of all the issues with proving that the painted pawns weren't full of lead and such, we decided to go with cardboard characters representing the various people trying to kill the good doctor instead. We also found a really good printing price that allowed us to drop the price to the $29.99, a pricepoint that we were always aiming for but couldn't because of the printing price. Now, are the cardboard characters with all new art inferior to generic painted pawns? I guess that is something that each person will have to answer for themselves. Personally, I think that it is a step up in quality.

-Lisa

Will you have an option to by the wooden pawns and the wooden spite chits as an expansion or just something to use with other games?

I've got the 1st edition, but it would be nice for people who want to retrofit their set.

Paizo Employee CEO

Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Will you have an option to by the wooden pawns and the wooden spite chits as an expansion or just something to use with other games?

I've got the 1st edition, but it would be nice for people who want to retrofit their set.

Unfortunately, no. We haven't figured out how to get stuff like that made with all the new US regulations on paint and lead content. The legalities are a bit intimidating, so we are steering far away and focusing on printed paper. :)

-Lisa


Lisa Stevens wrote:
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

Will you have an option to by the wooden pawns and the wooden spite chits as an expansion or just something to use with other games?

I've got the 1st edition, but it would be nice for people who want to retrofit their set.

Unfortunately, no. We haven't figured out how to get stuff like that made with all the new US regulations on paint and lead content. The legalities are a bit intimidating, so we are steering far away and focusing on printed paper. :)

-Lisa

It's been two months since the last update...any word on when the game will be ready? I'd really like to give it as a present but if it isn't out soon then that won't be possible...

Thanks.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Wansith wrote:

t's been two months since the last update...any word on when the game will be ready? I'd really like to give it as a present but if it isn't out soon then that won't be possible...

Thanks.

It's on the boat from the printer, but it probably won't arrive before Christmas.


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Wow, the game would be worth it for the gameboard alone... I only played the german version of the original cheapass game, and it has come a far way from there.

Stefan


Vic Wertz wrote:
Wansith wrote:

t's been two months since the last update...any word on when the game will be ready? I'd really like to give it as a present but if it isn't out soon then that won't be possible...

Thanks.

It's on the boat from the printer, but it probably won't arrive before Christmas.

The button has changed from "Preorder" to "Add to Cart," and the page now says "Usually ships from our warehouse in 3 to 6 business days," does this mean it's shippng now? My girlfriend and I have been trying to buy this game for a couple years now and are very excited about the reprint. If it doesn't come by xmas, I guess it will be a nice surprise a few weeks down the line.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

jharold wrote:
The button has changed from "Preorder" to "Add to Cart," and the page now says "Usually ships from our warehouse in 3 to 6 business days," does this mean it's shippng now? My girlfriend and I have been trying to buy this game for a couple years now and are very excited about the reprint. If it doesn't come by xmas, I guess it will be a nice surprise a few weeks down the line.

D'oh! Somebody set the release date as January 2009 instead of 2010. Fixed now.

Sadly, it's still in transit, and *not* in the warehouse.

Andoran

Vic Wertz wrote:


D'oh! Somebody set the release date as January 2009 instead of 2010. Fixed now.

Somebody is going to lose their biscuit's for a week over that one!

Paizo Employee CEO

Quote:
Sadly, it's still in transit, and *not* in the warehouse.

I heard today that it is in the port of Seattle right now. But sadly not in the warehouse. But soon. Soon.

-Lisa

Taldor

Brutesquad07 wrote:
Somebody is going to lose their biscuits for a week over that one!

I wonder if Lisa will cut the grog rations too. ;-)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Lisa Stevens wrote:
Quote:
Sadly, it's still in transit, and *not* in the warehouse.

I heard today that it is in the port of Seattle right now. But sadly not in the warehouse. But soon. Soon.

-Lisa

It has arrived!

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber

Awesome!

Sean


Excellent *rubs hands together in glee* I have been after this game for a long time and can't get it anywhere in the UK, and was pretty suprised that the P&P wasn't too bad either.

Merry Christmas All!
(except for you Dr Lucky, and your little dog too... you're mine!)


I don't know, I kinda like my allegdely lead-base painted wooden pawns, especially Shamrock. But I'm also the guy who spends $60($30 + $30 shipping) an old UK board game mostly for the unique, molded plastic pieces.

Andoran

Pathfinder Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

Yeah mine will soon be here for family fun! It does come with family fun right? :)


I've looked at the deluxe game since the first printing (always loved the envelope version -- just played it last night in fact). With the deluxe, however, I've always wondered why the board wasn't double-sided with the Craigdarroch mansion on the other side. That would have made it much more appealing at the previous, higher price point.

At this new price, however, it's looking pretty good as it is. . . .


I love this game. This is my first time playing so I dont know if the older version dicscuss the situation I am having when playing. If you guys can let me know I would really appreciate it. Here is the scenerio: Player A uses either a move card or room card to move Dr lucky into a room where player B is and has the ability to make an attempt on his life. Does player A turn ends and player B get to make that attempt, or does player B get no attempt and when player A ends his go dr. lucky moves to the next room unscathed. Thank you guy in advance for taking the time out to help me.

Osirion

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber

Is there any chance the Save Doctor Lucky game will be seeing print any time soon?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Tozerion wrote:
I love this game. This is my first time playing so I dont know if the older version dicscuss the situation I am having when playing. If you guys can let me know I would really appreciate it. Here is the scenerio: Player A uses either a move card or room card to move Dr lucky into a room where player B is and has the ability to make an attempt on his life. Does player A turn ends and player B get to make that attempt, or does player B get no attempt and when player A ends his go dr. lucky moves to the next room unscathed. Thank you guy in advance for taking the time out to help me.

Note the following, under Who Goes Next: "...Doctor Lucky can change the turn order by moving into an occupied room. This can only happen when he takes his move after a player's turn." Thus, being moved by a player does not trigger a change in the turn order.

Player B does not get to make a murder attempt when the Doctor moves into his room, because it's not his turn. Player A gets to finish his turn as usual, and then the Doctor moves as usual, and the turn proceeds to the next player as usual (unless there was a player in the room that the Doctor just moved to, in which case that player goes next).

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Charles Scholz wrote:
Is there any chance the Save Doctor Lucky game will be seeing print any time soon?

We're currently contemplating that....

Paizo Employee Developer

I was killing time at a Barnes & Noble this afternoon and used one of their product search kiosks to see if they had any Paizo books in stock (they did) and came across a product called "Save Doctor Lucky" set for October 2010. I take it you guys came to a conclusion on the question above or does B&N have something mixed up?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

yoda8myhead wrote:
I was killing time at a Barnes & Noble this afternoon and used one of their product search kiosks to see if they had any Paizo books in stock (they did) and came across a product called "Save Doctor Lucky" set for October 2010. I take it you guys came to a conclusion on the question above or does B&N have something mixed up?

Looks like they're just pulling raw ISBN data. We did order an ISBN for it, though we have not committed to a release date—or for that matter, to doing it at all. It's still in the exploratory phase here.


Just picked it up over the weekend, first time I've seen it available since I first played it.

One question though. Did the most recent release alter using spite tokens to foil attempts? I seem to recall that being included when I first played it. Or was it a variant/house rule?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Arketh wrote:

Just picked it up over the weekend, first time I've seen it available since I first played it.

One question though. Did the most recent release alter using spite tokens to foil attempts? I seem to recall that being included when I first played it. Or was it a variant/house rule?

Spite tokens were added as an optional variant rule in the Cheapass Games "Director's Cut" edition in 2002. In that version, each spite token gave you a 1-point bonus on your murder attempts, and they could also be spent as a failure card equivalent.

In the first Paizo (technically, Titanic Games) edition in 2006, spite tokens worked the same way as the Director's Cut, but they were now formally incorporated into the basic rules.

However, we found that, under certain circumstances, the ability to use spite tokens as failures could deadlock the game (or at least make it really, really long), so we removed that part of the rule for the 2009 edition—now spite tokens just give you a bonus on murder attempts.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Vic Wertz wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
I was killing time at a Barnes & Noble this afternoon and used one of their product search kiosks to see if they had any Paizo books in stock (they did) and came across a product called "Save Doctor Lucky" set for October 2010. I take it you guys came to a conclusion on the question above or does B&N have something mixed up?
Looks like they're just pulling raw ISBN data. We did order an ISBN for it, though we have not committed to a release date—or for that matter, to doing it at all. It's still in the exploratory phase here.

To update this old post... we did announce Save Doctor Lucky in August; it should be out at the end of November/beginning of December.

Contributor

Vic Wertz wrote:
Arketh wrote:

Just picked it up over the weekend, first time I've seen it available since I first played it.

One question though. Did the most recent release alter using spite tokens to foil attempts? I seem to recall that being included when I first played it. Or was it a variant/house rule?

Spite tokens were added as an optional variant rule in the Cheapass Games "Director's Cut" edition in 2002. In that version, each spite token gave you a 1-point bonus on your murder attempts, and they could also be spent as a failure card equivalent.

In the first Paizo (technically, Titanic Games) edition in 2006, spite tokens worked the same way as the Director's Cut, but they were now formally incorporated into the basic rules.

However, we found that, under certain circumstances, the ability to use spite tokens as failures could deadlock the game (or at least make it really, really long), so we removed that part of the rule for the 2009 edition—now spite tokens just give you a bonus on murder attempts.

Is it possible for those who already possess the 2006 edition (and the dog expansion for that matter) to download a PDF of the revised 2009 rules?

Similarly, is it possible to purchase the cardboard pawns from the 2009 edition without the rest of the set in case you want to either have the really complete set?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Is it possible for those who already possess the 2006 edition (and the dog expansion for that matter) to download a PDF of the revised 2009 rules?

Currently, no... and because they contain the rules from the expansion, giving them away for free would pretty much kill sales of the expansion for the older edition (which consists of those rules and a wooden pawn).

Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
Similarly, is it possible to purchase the cardboard pawns from the 2009 edition without the rest of the set in case you want to either have the really complete set?

Nope—we don't have any spare parts, just complete games.


I miss the wooden pawns and spite tokens. I gave away my old copy and bought a replacement without looking closely. The changes make me sad, even if they were necessary.

Andoran

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber

I'm not allowed to be in the same room as Doctor Lucky anymore. Everyone says I win too much. D:

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I have been playing this game for a couple months now. My family completely loves this board game. It is very entertaining and exciting.


I got to play this game at a convention a few months back, (Since then I've played a few times with a friend's old pre-Sinking Ship version) and it made me want to purchase my own copy. Unfortunately the con had the previous Titanic version, and I find I can't convince myself to get this one.

The standee's aren't attractive to me, but in principle at least I could understand the concept, and an attempt was made to make them attractive. However, it is the switching of the spite tokens to little paper/cardboard chits lowers the value enough to me that, in conjunction with the aforementioned...let's be nice and say "side-graded" player pieces, make it hard to see the game as worthwhile physically. While the pawn's replacement held a shred of interesting presence in the new parts, I couldn't really see anything of value in the "new" spite tokens.

I'm glad I read these comments though, as I do sympathize with you on the new US "Prove there's no lead" issue. I'm curious how a few other board game companies I've gotten products from have gotten around it. It certainly explains the switch away from the classic feeling wooden pieces in the previous copies.

Still, while this understanding sways me a bit I have no desire to buy a game as it stands now. It seems to me there should be a middle ground between what it was and what it is. A game that is supposedly premium, deluxe and finely made when it's components are virtually nothing but cheap cardboard. These paper chits strike me as just plain sad, valueless. I typically felt I had higher quality pieces in the Pre-Sinking version, when the person I knew used milk jug lids (Mind you, I admit it didn't come with them...). The board, while from what I've seen a repeat of the wonderful previous printing is not alone worth the entry price to me, even with the expanded rules inside.

I do want to make something clear, I do love your products, and own a good chunk. I just can't bring myself to see the current printing of this as "worth it". Maybe I was spoiled seeing the old one, but then I've also seen the REALLY OLD one. I don't know.

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A PDF of the rulebook for this game has been made available for download in the product description.


Any way to get an official ruling on a question about a rule? Failure cards: My interpretation of the way failure cards work, is that each person individually makes an attempt to foil the murder of Dr. Lucky.
A friend of mine interprets it to be that all players combine fail cards together in order to foil the attempt.
Which is it?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

They all combine. It would be a short game otherwise!

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