We're closing in on June, and my anticipation is building again. I can't be the only one wondering if this will ship the first week, or later. Is there an ETA on this yet? Please?If you check the schedule page, you'll see it's currently listed for late June.
Thanks. I was just hoping it was wrong, and that shipment might be coming in early.
That Chick on the cover is The Hawtness! She must be a gamer chick! ;)
I wonder who that Water Genie Hottie on the cover is?
She certainly could give Seoni a run for her "ultimate babe" title. :)
Illustration on page 29:
Ahahahahaha! (Wipes away tears of grognardic joy.) Classic, just classic. I love you guys.
And I absolutely agree on the cover girl. I'd say she's crazy hot, but... she's a marid.
What? Already shipped!
In any case, since it either is or will soon be available, just a reminder to use spoiler if you say anyting too specific. :)
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I am looking at the PDF right now...
And I am OVERJOYED that Greg and Wolfgang managed to mesh the PF City of Brass with the Necromancer version ! I even see CoB referenced in the module, which is GREAT because here I was thinking, "how will I ever get to use that sweet boxed set" and the answer is, in Pathfinder campaign !
I was a bit afraid that Paizo will do their own, completely different vision of the CoB, but luckily the material in PF 23 works fine both standalone and in connection with Necro stuff. Beautiful.
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City of Brass... arg!
And I thought my next foray into taking up the DM mantle would be easy...
Thank goodness I still have the last 3 modules of "Second Darkness" to get through before I have to DM this. I am greatly intimidated by this AP now. Parts 1, 2, 3 of Legacy of Fire are right up my DM alley, but the plane jumping stuff will be my main challenge.
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This is a query for Sean K. Reynolds and all who think who can answer this.
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City of Brass... arg!
And I thought my next foray into taking up the DM mantle would be easy...
Thank goodness I still have the last 3 modules of "Second Darkness" to get through before I have to DM this. I am greatly intimidated by this AP now. Parts 1, 2, 3 of Legacy of Fire are right up my DM alley, but the plane jumping stuff will be my main challenge.
Curtis,
PF 23 takes place inside a palace located in the City of Brass, however it is pretty much self-contained as the players' goal is to get out ASAP and return to Prime Material. So not that much plane-hoppin' if you want, but you can also let the PCs loose in the city and have some good old planar fun.
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Thanks for that reply. I am sure they will want to spend sometime in CoB. I was being a little dramatic in my original post by crying out ARG! But the last time I DM'd planar stuff was 2nd edition in 1991. (I am guessing there, but it was the early 90's)
The plane jump in issue #22 to the prison plane I liked. I just didnt get that same "full containment" feel from issue #23's visit to the City of Brass.
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The artwork in this volume is amazing. I was hoping for a rendition of Rovagug though. The only picture I didn't care for was the fire giants. I guess I've spent a bit too much time in Xen'drik lately to appreciate other versions of fire giants...
Any chance of petitioning Necromancer to reprint the "City of Brass"?
So you're responsible for the illustration, too? In that case, Vaughan, you deserve a serious reward. For the foreseeable future, I will reserve all smack talk for (rolls, consults table): Boomer!
I loved the Rovagug article. Especially liked its reference to and expansion upon a little bit of lore from the Osirion book (the pyramid of Kamaria the Brazen). :)
Hmm looks like it's been shipping since Monday. My order (#1181196) hasn't shipped yet though. I wonder if that's normal, as it never tookj so long before. Or should I worry?
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Hmm looks like it's been shipping since Monday. My order (#1181196) hasn't shipped yet though. I wonder if that's normal, as it never tookj so long before. Or should I worry?
No worries. There is a large amount being manually shipped this month and Brock, half of our warehouse team power duo, has been out most of the week with the con crud from Paizocon, so Jeff has been manning the shipping station solo for the most part. I have tried to help him out when I can, but there have been a lot of meetings this week. Hoepfully, we can get all the subs shipped out by Friday at the latest.
-Lisa
Thanks for the information, Lisa!
I wonder if there are other companies where the CEO answers such questions an random forum threads. :)
Also thanks to Jeff!
Got it! :)
I love the artwork on page 29. Great Homage!
Hmm looks like it's been shipping since Monday. My order (#1181196) hasn't shipped yet though. I wonder if that's normal, as it never tookj so long before. Or should I worry?No worries. There is a large amount being manually shipped this month and Brock, half of our warehouse team power duo, has been out most of the week with the con crud from Paizocon, so Jeff has been manning the shipping station solo for the most part. I have tried to help him out when I can, but there have been a lot of meetings this week. Hoepfully, we can get all the subs shipped out by Friday at the latest.
-Lisa
I know you can squeeze more work out of your minions if you put more effort into it!
That is why you keep Erik Mona on the staff! I am told that he can tear flesh with every lash!
Rovagug! Rovagug! Rovagug! Rovagug!Shhhhhhh. You'll wake him.
Well, in that case ...
No map for the City of Brass for this first definitive "tour". What gives?
No map for the City of Brass for this first definitive "tour". What gives?
Well one of the reasons is that it's not supposed to be "definitive." One of the goals is to have it be compatible with other people's versions (City of Brass has been around for some time, after all). Of course, this doesn't help people who have no preconceptions, but there ya go.
Well one of the reasons is that it's not supposed to be "definitive." One of the goals is to have it be compatible with other people's versions (City of Brass has been around for some time, after all). Of course, this doesn't help people who have no preconceptions, but there ya go.
More than fair enough. And don't get me wrong, it's a great issue. Wolfgang Baur wrote a very cool chapter on the location. A few maps by Rob Lazzaretti could have helped stretch it into it's own campaign, though. Just putting it out there, you know, if you guys wanted to do a Pathfinder Companion - even after Legacy of Fire has run it's course... ahem.
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Where do I find stats for the Marilith-Red Dragon tauric creature on page 4. Please tell me the players fight that thing and when they do.
That's actually a picture of Ymiri, the Queen of the Inferno. For those who know about D&D's tradition of the elemental princes of evil... Ymiri is sort of the Pathfinder version of Imix, the lord of evil fire creatures.
Ymiri is, as a result, a demigod-level menace on par with a demon lord or arch devil in power, so she's probably around CR 30 or so. Her stats will not be appearing anytime soon.
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Yeah, I agree that a map would have been extra awesome, but describing the whole City of Brass in just 6 pages was already a pretty tall order.
And this way, of course, the map does not contradict the Necromancer version of COB. Thanks to Greg for convincing me that "not incompatible with Necro" was the way to go.
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Yeah, I agree that a map would have been extra awesome, but describing the whole City of Brass in just 6 pages was already a pretty tall order.
And this way, of course, the map does not contradict the Necromancer version of COB. Thanks to Greg for convincing me that "not incompatible with Necro" was the way to go.
And I think the fans appreciate this. I know when I am running this, my copy of Necro's CoB will be in my reference book pile.
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Where do I find stats for the Marilith-Red Dragon tauric creature on page 4. Please tell me the players fight that thing and when they do.That's actually a picture of Ymiri, the Queen of the Inferno. For those who know about D&D's tradition of the elemental princes of evil... Ymiri is sort of the Pathfinder version of Imix, the lord of evil fire creatures.
Ymiri is, as a result, a demigod-level menace on par with a demon lord or arch devil in power, so she's probably around CR 30 or so. Her stats will not be appearing anytime soon.
Dang!
I am putting the pieces together for a custom made mini and I was hoping that it would end up on the table and not just on the shelf.
So, now the question is whether or not to make an aspect of Ymiri (large size) or just Ymiri (huge or collosal?)? All sizes of red dragon are availible as D&D Minis or Mcfarlane Dragons and there are lots of female multi-arm minis availible for the female portion...
BTW more art of Ymiri would be awesome
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Wow, ericthecleric! That's what I love about this community! So many people devoting their time and effort to enriching the game world and the role-playing experience!
I've been reading through "Impossible Eye" and I must say, although it isn't epic level (20+) it feels EPIC!
Kudos to Greg Vaughan and his scheeming, efreeti slaves, whom he undoubtedly bound and ensorcelled into revealing Javhul's lair to him.
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I know of several gamers/PCs who will really appreciate the encounter in C15.
Also, this chapter returns the tradition of the 5th chapter of every AP being both a mega-dungeon and an exercise in "Gygaxian Naturalism" or at least, RPG in closed ecosystems.
It looks like Mother of Flies will be more in the vein of Skeletons of Scarwall and less Sins of the Saviors / The Impossible Eye, but I look forward to seeing what the indomitable Mr. Vaughan produces in that AP, as I am enjoying my initial read-thru of The Impossible Eye.
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And I bow to you sir... Now I decided to make and Aspect of Ymiri. Which will be a huge about a CR 12-15 This project should be finished in Sepember and make sure throw up some pictuers here and I'll be switching out one of the BBEG lieutenants for an Aspect of Ymiri.
Where do I find stats for the Marilith-Red Dragon tauric creature on page 4. Please tell me the players fight that thing and when they do.Ask and ye shall receive!
Note that I've not seen the book yet, but hopefully the following will do.OK, I’ve had a stab at designing Ymiri’s stats. In doing so, I’ve been guided by the marilith and great red wyrm. I’ve also been guided by the tauric creature template (but not followed it completely) and fire elementals details. I don’t know if it’s appropriate for CR 30, but I hope someone appreciates the effort put in.
Enjoy… and fear! ;-)** spoiler omitted **...
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Yeah, I agree that a map would have been extra awesome, but describing the whole City of Brass in just 6 pages was already a pretty tall order.
I've said it before and will say it again: the complete "City of Brass" write-up Bruce Cordell and Gwen Kestrel did for 3.5 Planar Handbook got reprinted in the 4E Manual of the Planes. You don't need to buy either book because that section is all available for free on the WotC website. And yes, this includes an awesome map which will fire your DM imagination!
And this way, of course, the map does not contradict the Necromancer version of COB. Thanks to Greg for convincing me that "not incompatible with Necro" was the way to go.
Let's talk about your own work as well! Are there Easter Eggs for long time fans of Secrets of the Lamp? Major overhauls? Follow-ups?
And how do you compare Paizo's work on the current AP with your own Open Design project "Six Arabian Nights"? Are there differences in inspiration, expectations, executions? I'm quite curious and hope you find the time to answer these questions at one point.
Yours, W.
Thanks, and don't tire of saying it, Windjammer. Going to fix that link for you.
Available for free on the WotC website
EDIT: Actually, I can't figure out what was going on with the link. Seems to be working now, though.
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Let's talk about your own work as well! Are there Easter Eggs for long time fans of Secrets of the Lamp? Major overhauls? Follow-ups?
That material is all WotC IP, so I couldn't lean on it for the Paizo article, alas.
And how do you compare Paizo's work on the current AP with your own Open Design project "Six Arabian Nights"? Are there differences in inspiration, expectations, executions?
Well, having Zeb Cook and Jeff Grubb writing for Six Arabian Nights certainly didn't *hurt*. :)
I think the Legacy of Fire and SAN are different in a couple ways, but the main distinction is that Legacy is much, much bigger (6 volumes, not just six one-shot adventures). The inspiration for SAN is perhaps closer to the original 1001 Nights, and the execution is all about getting in, having a wahoo adventure, and getting out. That's fairly different from the way that Legacy builds over time.
Not saying either approach is better (hey, SAN got an ENnie nomination, so that approach clearly *worked*!). I wish Open Design had Paizo's art budget, though...
I think the Legacy of Fire and SAN are different in a couple ways, but the main distinction is that Legacy is much, much bigger (6 volumes, not just six one-shot adventures). The inspiration for SAN is perhaps closer to the original 1001 Nights, and the execution is all about getting in, having a wahoo adventure, and getting out. That's fairly different from the way that Legacy builds over time.
I think they work fairly well together though. I plan on using adventures from Six Arabian Nights as side quests for a change of pace during the early parts my LoF campaign. Instead of the set pieces, I'm going to work in places for the party to do at least half of the pieces from SAN.
I'm also planning on continuing the campaign with Necromancer's City of Brass material, since the party will already have some exposure during Impossible Eye. I can work in a few hints there and bring them back shortly after the conclusion of LoF. That will make an excellent campaign and bring them all the way from 1-20. I can't wait. ;)
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Thanks for your replies, Mr Baur!
Well, having Zeb Cook and Jeff Grubb writing for Six Arabian Nights certainly didn't *hurt*. :)
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I wish Open Design had Paizo's art budget, though...
Well, Legacy of Fire is really in a league of its own, even measuring it against other Paizo products. Nonetheless, sometimes I almost wish that art budget went instead to paying great module writers of old to contribute an adventure or two - just as you did with SAN!
The inspiration for SAN is perhaps closer to the original 1001 Nights
That's what I'm after. I'm familiar with your article on "What Makes a Night Arabian?" (favourite passage: "It’s really a b1tch to inculcate a sense of honor in gamers. Some people really take to it, and they play samurai in OA without a hitch. Others act like the Mongol hordes no matter what era or setting they are in."). That article, I suppose, pretty much encodes your own take on what makes Arabian Adventures unique in a D&D surrounding. I'm interested how you, as a reader, would personally compare and contrast the expectations and goals that went into Legacy of Fire. Meaning this on the level of themes and motifs, not just the huge issue of focus (SAN being 5 plots in 94 pages, LoF being one plot developing over 6 times that page count).
Just to pick a random (if key) element in your essay myself, let's consider romance. From what I can tell, romance breathes life into LoF as far as the cast is concerned, from the first NPCs we'll ever meet right up to the overarching story which sets things in motion in the first place. But where's the romance for the players? As far as I can tell, it was decided to put it off the map. Which I found an interesting decision, and certainly a deliberate one, given that Paizo has tried some light humorous takes on PC-NPC romance before in, for instance, Burnt Offerings.
I'm just curious, and as I said, I'm interested in your opinion as a reader.
Thanks again for responding in the first place. It's a luxury few forums generate.