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A small question. Where could I find the name of the bar and what city that bar is in that Cayden Cailcan was in when he agreed to go to take the test of the Starstone? I believe a pilgrimage is in order.Absalom
but i don't know the name of the bar
Whatever the bar was called at the time, I would assume that it has either been renamed and is now some sort of shrine or temple to its most famous (and powerful) patron, or was lost to the constant churning of the city and is now a flower shop, schoolhouse, or high-rise condo with a starbucks and a mcdonalds on the ground floor.
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There are probably six bars (at least) in Absalom that claim to be 'that bar.' Attempts at using Commune to verify the claims of any of them lead to such 'helpful' replies as, 'I don't know. I was drunk at the time! I was probably in that bar, too, at some point that night...'
jajajajaja quite adequate
i would say that any of those 6barwould be good enough for Cailean followers :P
{i was reading a bit ago about Torag, there is no description of his avatar, that parragraph begans with his Herald, but nothing about the avatar there is anything about this? (aside the fact that he might look as he is depicted in art?)}
As a dwarfy god of dwarves, depicted in art as a dwarf, and known to manifest as his own reflection in a shiny surface, yes, his avatar looks like him ... a dwarf. :)
As a dwarfy god of dwarves, depicted in art as a dwarf, and known to manifest as his own reflection in a shiny surface, yes, his avatar looks like him ... a dwarf. :)
Ya, but ye did not say he looks like one's own pa - did the scribe not get that to ye? That's what ye get for hirin' gnomes to do yer courier business. ;)
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I have a question about Torag too (to be honest, I don't but the guy who wants to play his cleric does): In Gods and Magic: "...the dwarves were born made of stone with belies full of fire." Torag is god of forge and artifice, one of his servitors is an azer - and he doesn't have Fire as a domain. Why is that?
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I have a question about Torag too (to be honest, I don't but the guy who wants to play his cleric does): In Gods and Magic: "...the dwarves were born made of stone with belies full of fire." Torag is god of forge and artifice, one of his servitors is an azer - and he doesn't have Fire as a domain. Why is that?
Because Torag isn't a fire god. He's a god of protection, wartime strategy, and the forge. Not just the fire in the forge.
More to the point... We max out our deities at 5 domains, and they HAVE to have the appropriate alignment domains. For Torag, that means he has Law and Good and 3 others. One of those is Artifice, because he builds stuff. One is Earth, because he works with stone and metal and his favored race, the dwarves, come from the earth. And one is protection, since that's one of his big things.
There's no room for fire, in other words, and fire was already more than covered by Sarenrae and Asmodeus.
And if you bang rocks together, it makes fire, so you've got it covered there.
Heck, if you bang dwarven skulls together, it makes fire.
And if you bang rocks together, it makes fire, so you've got it covered there.
Heck, if you bang dwarven skulls together, it makes fire.
Aye, we do have a hard head...but it's easier when we're wearin' helms, you see.
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Yeah, well, the guy wants to play dwarven cleric who uses firearms. What about Angradd The Forge-Fire? I suppose Chaos, Good, Fire, War, Strength?
firearms? go for Torag... not for "firearms" but bfor artifice... for creating them in the 1st place
a firearm is more an artifice than an object related to fire in a nany sense except to make the initial charge... but without all the mechanism is useless
This just occurred to me. I understand that when a spell has the deities' name in parentheses behind it, that means only divine casters whose patron is that god can cast the spell, but when arcane classes are listed as having the spell as well, do those arcane casters have to have that god as their patron in order to cast it?
The main reason I'm wondering this is that Asmodeus' spell would be an interesting temptation to arcane spellcasters that aren't evil and wouldn't mind having a healing spell as a back up, even if devil's blood isn't easy to come by.
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Well, that was my initial judgment. But I have a dwarf-fanatic on my hands, who's constantly bugging me about dwarven gods, chaos dwarves and battleragers in Golarion.
:D
let the clericcreate his own weapon (using craft: gunsmithing) in the form of a Warhammer... that should solve any doubts... he could call it "Torag's Hammer"
in Scion, Thor's Scion has an enormous gun called as Thor's Hammer
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We are thinking about playing in Golarion, but with gestalt characters. That would be similar to 2nd Ed. multiclassing, and we stopped playing 2nd Ed. just a year ago. So the dwarf wants to play fighter/cleric of Torag (there will probably be an elf fighter/rogue and half-elf paladin/sorcerer) and start a dwarven holy crusade agains the drow.
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So I was going through my copy of Gods and Magic for the umpteenth time and found something I had completely missed. The Greatcube of Jayalakshmi. Hell's bells sir! As a late late fan of Greyhawk (thanks in no small part to Dungeon and Dragon magazine and later the discovery of Canonfire and Maladin's fun little gems) the first thing that popped into my head was "They made the Codex!!" A Golarion specific, unique, and no less awesome Codex of Infinite Planes like artifact of awesomeness. The history of that thing, so quietly hinted at, just made me giggle like little kid. It's a beautiful, hidden gem that both excites the hell out of the DM in me and scares the crap out of the player in me (which in my view, is exactly what artifacts like the Codex and the Greatcube are suppose to do). I just wanted to say well done and thank you. That one little blurb made the whole world of Pathfinder that much greater. I also understand that that may have not been your intention with the artifact, but that was the first thing that popped in my head when i read it. Rock on.
This just occurred to me. I understand that when a spell has the deities' name in parentheses behind it, that means only divine casters whose patron is that god can cast the spell, but when arcane classes are listed as having the spell as well, do those arcane casters have to have that god as their patron in order to cast it?
My personal preference is: if the god isn't your patron, you can't cast the spell, regardless of what type (brd, clr, drd, sor, or wiz). Part of the casting requires invoking the deity, and the deity can fiddle with the casting if they choose to do so.
That said, in pure game mechanics terms there's nothing preventing an Asmodean wizard from writing down those spells and giving them to a Desnan wizard. But the churches probably feel very proprietary about their faith-specific spells and track down copies of the spells that spread to other people.
The Greatcube of Jayalakshmi ... made me giggle like little kid.
Glad you like it. :)
That Sir was Dwarfism!
I would appreciate it, if you made proper jokes! With Elves in it for example.
Meh, bang elf heads together and you just get a wet, squishy noise.
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I saw this at my local gaming store. I am a big fan of Pathfinder and love the campaign setting book. This was underwhelming though. It just adds so little to what is in the campaign setting I can't see why I would buy it.
Wow. Such different perspectives. This was one of my favorite source books thus far.
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I saw this at my local gaming store. I am a big fan of Pathfinder and love the campaign setting book. This was underwhelming though. It just adds so little to what is in the campaign setting I can't see why I would buy it.Wow. Such different perspectives. This was one of my favorite source books thus far.
i agree
i can't play with it my new campaign...i am moving the mood of one particular character a a few NPCs around her modeled in what i read in different deities...
i really love the good
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My personal preference is: if the god isn't your patron, you can't cast the spell, regardless of what type (brd, clr, drd, sor, or wiz). Part of the casting requires invoking the deity, and the deity can fiddle with the casting if they choose to do so.That said, in pure game mechanics terms there's nothing preventing an Asmodean wizard from writing down those spells and giving them to a Desnan wizard. But the churches probably feel very proprietary about their faith-specific spells and track down copies of the spells that spread to other people.
Thanks for the answer Sean, I appreciate it. Although that still gives me some ideas on an Asmodean arcanist introducing this spell to someone without any patron at all.
"Just calling out to Asmodeus while casting the spell is simply a formality, a quirk in the written structure of the original spell . . . after you've gotten used to it, I'm sure you could spend some time modifying it to your needs."
Excellent.... /fingersteeple
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He gave up on it. We're a little bit disapointed with firearms in Golarion. To modern feel to them. I'm converting Iron Kingdom rules right now.
I am inclined to agree. And that is probably your best bet. I really liked the firearm rules for Iron Kingdoms. If I am remembering correctly, the Freeport rules were not bad either. But I have used the IK rules anytime I have need of guns in my D&D.
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Was there a reason the Four Horsemen were left out of this book?
they are no gods
but they are mentionedthey are the 4 daemons mentioned within their part of their realm, they jus are not as detailed as the gods, butthey are lot more detailed than small gods around the book
or wasthis in the Campaign Setting? gah! head hurts!
He gave up on it. We're a little bit disapointed with firearms in Golarion. To modern feel to them. I'm converting Iron Kingdom rules right now.
i did a couple of changes
well... just onebut the original mechanic is quite good: "they are ranged touch attacks" so no Armor or Shield AC does protect... my Cleric would have 10 AC against agun isntead ofher usual 16 :S
so does a hellknight with AC 20 would be toppled most of his defense :S
my only addition is an old rule for many games, but the firsti remember was 2nd Ed Ravenloft's Masque ofthe red Death
every time the dice shows max damage... you reroll, ad infinitum untill the dice lays less than max damage...
a good and lucky shot will kill a dragon :D
the bard was ewscared of the notion... butyes... weneed Desna favoring such shot
Was there a reason the Four Horsemen were left out of this book?
Because they aren't gods.
This is a good product, but I would have liked to have seen another couple of good-aligned human deities. To me, the setting could use a couple of more choices in that area
Yes, but aren't they magical? The book is Gods & Magic.Was there a reason the Four Horsemen were left out of this book?Because they aren't gods.
So are Unicorns and Displacer Beasts.. so?
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At the bottom of page 63, in the description of the Cantorian Spring artifact, there's a sentence that reads as follows:
"Many stories of magical fountains or springs crystal rests at the bottom and is obscured by plants or sediment, and it is possible that several variant races or subraces owe their existence to this artifact."
It seems that there is a section of text missing in the middle; perhaps two sentences were inadvertently combined? I.e.
"Many stories of magical fountains or springs [blah blah]. [Blah blah] crystal rests at the bottom and is obscured by plants or sediment, and it is possible that several variant races or subraces owe their existence to this artifact."
We max out our deities at 5 domains, and they HAVE to have the appropriate alignment domains.
Bummer about that as the alignment domains are some of the most boring ones in the game, in my opinion. I'd rather have had them only be a must for the strongly aligned crusader types, assuming that there was going to be a max number of domains. However, given it is not a game balance issue (seeing as clerics not devoted to a specific god can choose any two domains) it seems like such a limit isn't really needed.
In particular, given what we know of him, it seems like a glaring omission for Cayden not to have the Liberation domain.
At any rate, nothing I can't house rule (and in fact already have).
At the bottom of page 63, in the description of the Cantorian Spring artifact, there's a sentence that reads as follows:
The complete text from my archive says:
"Many stories of magical fountains or springs (cursed or otherwise) probably derive from encounters with this item, where the crystal rests at the bottom and is obscured by plants or sediment, and it is possible that several variant races or subraces owe their existence to this artifact."
The writers deserve some rep for one of the sickest magical items ever, the Mask of the Demon Mother. Which you can use to create new hybrid species (like gnolls)... provided you're, ahem, morally 'flexible'.
I get the idea that Lamashtu and her priestesses are very kinky ladies.
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Easily the best of it's limited breed. The information contained between the covers is a complete dream. The illustrations easily inspire the imagination. Compared to the WoTC deities & demigods book it is short. However unlike that book the focus has been refined to provide maximum playability.
Reading through I never once was lost
I have a kudo for Alison McKenzie and all the fine folks of Customer Service. I sent an email regarding my copy of Gods & Magic. A block of pages came unbound from the binding (pages 51-62). I asked if there were any other problems of this type and if they had any suggestions for repairing the book. Alison answered back with the shipment of a replacement copy. While I was not expecting this I do appreciate it. To me this is just another example of Paizo's commitment to their customer base. Thank you Alison and all the folks in Customer Service.
Just my 2 cp.
I was making fun of our priest of Cayden Cailean last night, thanks to a minor typo on the inside cover. We're running in RotRL, and had just saved a potential victim of the Skinsaw Men. He cast knock on the shackles holding the prisoner as the rogue was busy searching for keys on the leader. She chided him about wasting a spell, he called it necessary as his god is a god of freedom. At that point I had to correct the player, telling him he needed to let the rogue do her job and start hanging out with our druid more, as the listing on the inside cover clearly states he is the god of "treedom, wine," and "bravery."
We've certainly got an interesting theological dynamic in our group--clerics of Gorum and Cayden Cailean, a druid, and my paladin of Erastil. Fun, fun, fun.
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I"m looking at picking up some old books ... but have the PF Campaign Setting. How much of this is now covered in the CS?
Thanks!
Well in the PFCS each god has roughly half a page about them. In this book each god has 2 full pages about them or 4 times as much information. Plus this books talks about minor gods not in the PFCS.