Pathfinder Adventure Path #5: Sins of the Saviors (Rise of the Runelords 5 of 6) (OGL)

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Seven Deadly Dungeons!

The Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path continues! The evil beneath the town of Sandpoint refuses to sleep quietly, and a killer from the ancient past awakes. Clues found in his lair lead to the den of a legendary dragon and into a vast arcane dungeon ruled by ageless wizards, where the seven deadly sins reign supreme. Can the PCs hone the sins within themselves into weapons against their true foe, Karzoug, the resurrected Runelord of Greed?

This volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path continues the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path and includes:

  • "Sins of the Saviors," an adventure for 12th-level characters, by Stephen S. Greer.
  • Insights into the magic of Thassilon and the arcane secrets of the runelords, by Brian Cortijo, Nicolas Logue, Owen K. C. Stephens, et al.
  • A glimpse into the profane cult of Lamashtu, the goddess of madness, monsters, and nightmares, by Sean K Reynolds.
  • The fifth installment of the Pathfinder's Journal, by Mike McArtor and James L. Sutter.
  • Six new monsters, by Joshua J. Frost, Stephen S. Greer, Mike McArtor, and F. Wesley Schneider.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-040-7

Web Supplement: An additional download containing more magic of Thassilon may be found in the Paizo blog entry for January 28, 2008.

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Just a dungeon, but an interesting one

***( )( )

I like the way sins are tied to schools of magic in Varisia and the whole Thassilon empire story. Paizo have done a brillant job with that. But I also tend to not like "old school" dungeons (cf. my AP4 review), so I was not expecting something good with this "megadungeon" issue.
But if AP4 have disappointed me, AP5 have surprised me. It's an old school megadungeon, indeed, but I see a lot more opportunities for roleplaying in this AP, with few NPCs but strong ones.

Jorgenfist in AP4 was a zoo mess and I didn't like it, but in comparison most wings feels too empty in AP5. It totally makes sense that only faction's leaders remain after more that 10000 years, but a few additionnal minor NPCs could have increased the number of ways to solve the scenario. As written, there are only a few ways. For this reason AP5 is still interesting but is far from the outstanding political dungeon announced in the book introduction.

DMs have to be careful with the wing of anger : PCs seem to be expected to finish their exploration with this wing (no possible alliance there, the hardest fights and the escape). Depending on your group, it could be a problem ("No, don't go there, not now, level up and meet the other NPCs first !" :-)).

The side article are great additions, as usual :
- The Magic of Thassilon article only add 1 feat, 7 spells, 7 marks (create with the new feat) but they can add flavour to characters
- The Lamashtu article is really great


We turn downward, dungeon crawling and self examination....

*****

The threats have been getting taller; goblins, cultists, ogres, then giants. Now the real enemy is the character's own weaknesses and the sins that rule them! Great adventure: read my full review: Sins of the Saviors


Portuguese - Br

****( )

Eu posso compreender o motivo da existência dessa aventura, a Paizo queria testar o gosto do publico. Não é meu estilo de jogo, mas mestres que gostem de dungeons mortais sádicas vão adorar. Agora, como fonte de ideias para magos especialistas e as defesas de seus lares é interessante. Outro ponto diferencial é que uma masmorra onde quase todos os oponentes são magos de uma forma ou outra, isso é bem raro.


Soild dungeon crawl, uneven at times

****( )

The fifth instalment of Rise of the Runelords is a straight up dungeon crawl. The adventure quickly sends the PCs into a massive complex, divided into 7 wings, each themed after a deadly sin of ancient Thassilon.

Well, make that 5 wings - the adventure is a clear victim of limited space available in a 96-page book, and 2 wings are pretty much "castrated". On a plus side, it allows the DM to plug in any dungeons of his own creations or from other sources.

The remaining part of the adventure is old-school deadly, bringing back memories of killer dungeon crawls from D&D history. The quality of encounters and locales ranges from excellent to "meh". There are several nice bits of backstory scattered here and there, but the overall link with the main plot of the campaign is rather hazy.

The adventure does a good enough job of introducing the players to Thassilonian magic, culture and history firsthand, and sets the tone for campaign finale. Yet, the adventure didn't lodge itself in memory of me and my group as much as the first three RotRL modules did.

Of course, the backup material is of prime quality. The article on Lamashtu, the evil demon queen, was wickedly - and at times revoltingly - fun to read.


***( )( )

Disclaimers:
Review may contain spoilers
My Experience with it:
DM for one 3.5 Group and one PFRPG Group (as is, no conversion)
Overview (no spoilers):
Dungeon Crawl, solid but not great, nice theme
Changes (with spoilers):
Not much, fleshing out the Maze of Sloth a bit
Details:
Solid dungeon crawl, the dragon attack was a nice surprise, some of the wings of runeforge are a bit boring, iron cages was fun role-playing, ravenous crypts was creepy and by far the toughest fight, both groups had to retreat with one member down from there and came back buffed up to finish it. The sin-Point revelation was a nice touch and a unusual way to reflect on the last 4 adventures (by telling where they "earned" their sin-points). Role-playing was non-existed in this adventure with the exception of the iron cages, everything else was solved by beating on it with swords
overall:
When I was reading it I loved it, when we played it it was nothing memorable


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Dark Archive

Another WAR cover. And a dragon to boot!!! Awesome.

Contributor

Ace Haven wrote:
Another WAR cover. And a dragon to boot!!! Awesome.

Wayne is spoiling us! No other covers will ever do now!!!

Silver Crusade

OH MY _ _ _!!!!!!!

this has got to be a poster!!!!!

here I can't wait for #3 to come out & you guys give us.........AGHHHHH!!!!

......keep it coming!!! :)

RM

Contributor

Today's blog... Oh my...

Can't wait to find out who the dude is.

Sovereign Court RPG Superstar 2013 Top 4, RPG Superstar 2011 Top 16

Yeah that's one cool wizard... A little longer in the tooth than the rest of the iconics as well.

Sovereign Court

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Check it out! A non-lame wizard. Very, very nice!

What is that slight blue-white glow coming out of his clenched left hand I wonder...


I hope it's not asking too much, but I wonder if it's possible to get an image of this latest iconic against a white background, similar to what was done with the previous iconics. It's not that I'm not absolutley drooling over the current image--I most assuredly am--but rather that I cut & paste the images into a neutral background "group image" to use as images of the characters in my game....

If this is possible, a most hearty "thank you!"

Contributor

Very cool. He's got a certain Sean Connery look to him. I'm digging him!

Sovereign Court

He looks like he'd make a great Ben Kenobi/mentor character. He's got a certain air of nobilty to him. And even though he may be older, you wouldn't want to mess with him. I like him already.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

darkbard wrote:

I hope it's not asking too much, but I wonder if it's possible to get an image of this latest iconic against a white background, similar to what was done with the previous iconics. It's not that I'm not absolutley drooling over the current image--I most assuredly am--but rather that I cut & paste the images into a neutral background "group image" to use as images of the characters in my game....

If this is possible, a most hearty "thank you!"

This is certainly possible. It'll probably happen later next week. I still haven't written up his backstory and all that, but it's on the schedule for quite soon.


Ask and ye shall receive! As always, James and Paizo staffers, this is what makes your company and this community so great! Thanks again!

Sovereign Court

In the dragon article, will the dragon's heads be brand new or will they look the same as they do in the MM?

Scarab Sages

See tonight's blog post for answer. I think that the dragon stats are OGL, but not the dragons pics, so Paizo had to do their own concept for them.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Correct. And we wanted to come up with our own looks for dragons, in any event; they're a pretty iconic monster, and it's cool, I think, to be able to look at a dragon and say, "OH! That's a Golarion Blue!"

Liberty's Edge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

I was looking at my subscription page, and it said to expect this in late Jan/early Feb.

Is that right?


Mr Baron wrote:

I was looking at my subscription page, and it said to expect this in late Jan/early Feb.

Is that right?

Mine says the same thing. I had hoped that it would come early Jan. Paizo must still really be struggling to catch up with their production schedule.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Mr Baron wrote:

I was looking at my subscription page, and it said to expect this in late Jan/early Feb.

Is that right?

We're expecting it to reach our warehouse around January 9.

Scarab Sages

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Vic Wertz wrote:
We're expecting it to reach our warehouse around January 9.

Yay - I can't wait. I am enjoying the AP a lot. About that time I receive this installment my group will be starting Hook Mountain. Every installment has been great.

Dark Archive

Vic Wertz wrote:

We're expecting it to reach our warehouse around January 9.

So we can expect to have our PDF's by the end of that week?

Dark Archive

Atrocious wrote:


So we can expect to have our PDF's by the end of that week?

Probably somewhere between that week and the week following it. You're giving them 2-3 days to get them in stock, inspect and start the export procedure.

Liberty's Edge

Vic Wertz wrote:
Mr Baron wrote:

I was looking at my subscription page, and it said to expect this in late Jan/early Feb.

Is that right?

We're expecting it to reach our warehouse around January 9.

Are we still on for this week, I need my Paizo fix?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Dark Lurker of Psionics wrote:
Are we still on for this week, I need my Paizo fix?

We are indeed still expecting the shipment to arrive this week.

Dark Archive

Vic Wertz wrote:


We are indeed still expecting the shipment to arrive this week.

I just noticed that the pre-order for the subscription has appeared in my account. Does that mean it will ship this week?

Paizo Employee Sales Associate

Atrocious wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:


We are indeed still expecting the shipment to arrive this week.
I just noticed that the pre-order for the subscription has appeared in my account. Does that mean it will ship this week?

Probably later this week, or early next week.


James Jacobs wrote:
darkbard wrote:

I hope it's not asking too much, but I wonder if it's possible to get an image of this latest iconic against a white background, similar to what was done with the previous iconics. It's not that I'm not absolutley drooling over the current image--I most assuredly am--but rather that I cut & paste the images into a neutral background "group image" to use as images of the characters in my game....

If this is possible, a most hearty "thank you!"

This is certainly possible. It'll probably happen later next week. I still haven't written up his backstory and all that, but it's on the schedule for quite soon.

James, I think you already have..or someone there has. Isn't Ezren, our RotR #5 cover boy, the subject of the October 26th blog entry?


Haldir wrote:
this has got to be a poster!!!!!

I hope by the end of 2008 there's enough fabulous art for Paizo to put out a Pathfinder Calendar. I'm sure there's even enough 'B' art to put in a few surprises.

Liberty's Edge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber

what's the estimated ship date? Has it arrived in the warehouse?

Scarab Sages

MTKnife wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
darkbard wrote:

I hope it's not asking too much, but I wonder if it's possible to get an image of this latest iconic against a white background, similar to what was done with the previous iconics. It's not that I'm not absolutley drooling over the current image--I most assuredly am--but rather that I cut & paste the images into a neutral background "group image" to use as images of the characters in my game....

If this is possible, a most hearty "thank you!"

This is certainly possible. It'll probably happen later next week. I still haven't written up his backstory and all that, but it's on the schedule for quite soon.
James, I think you already have..or someone there has. Isn't Ezren, our RotR #5 cover boy, the subject of the October 26th blog entry?

Which was 3 days after he made that post.


Ungoded wrote:
MTKnife wrote:


James, I think you already have..or someone there has. Isn't Ezren, our RotR #5 cover boy, the subject of the October 26th blog entry?
Which was 3 days after he made that post.

Argh! My bad...What I get for not reading the dates close enough. Kudos, guys!

Contributor

Mr Baron wrote:
what's the estimated ship date? Has it arrived in the warehouse?

Somewhere in these threads one of the Paizonians said they had received them on the 9th (yesterday).

Edit: Actually, correction. Expecting it on the 9th. Whether it arrived yesterday or not remains to be seen (or read).

Dark Archive

Steve Greer wrote:


Somewhere in these threads one of the Paizonians said they had received them on the 9th (yesterday).
Edit: Actually, correction. Expecting it on the 9th. Whether it arrived yesterday or not remains to be seen (or read).

My order status has changed from "pre-order" to "pending" so I presume they have it in stock and are preparing to ship it.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

It has arrived, and subs have already started to go out.


This discussion is attached to
http://paizo.com/store/paizo/v5748btpy7xpv
but there's another listing for this product at
http://paizo.com/store/paizo/v5748btpy815p
with no discussion attached and no way that I can see to start one.
Why the two listings?
-LB

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

LurkerBeneath wrote:

This discussion is attached to

http://paizo.com/store/paizo/v5748btpy7xpv
but there's another listing for this product at
http://paizo.com/store/paizo/v5748btpy815p
with no discussion attached and no way that I can see to start one.
Why the two listings?
-LB

The first listing is for the print edition. The second listing is for what we call a "parent product," which has two children: the print edition and the PDF. Right now, the PDF is still only available to subscribers, which is why you can't see the difference between the two. Once the product's street date arrives, the PDF will become available from the parent product listing.

If you look at the parent product for Pathfinder 4, you can see what I mean: http://paizo.com/pathfinder/v5748btpy80hm.


OK. Three questions:
Why is there no way to start a discussion of the parent product?
Why is there no link from the parent product to the print edition? The only way I've found to navigate from one listing to the other is to add the product to my cart and click the link there.
When is the "street date"? I stopped at my FLGS Thursday 1/31 and they said they were still waiting for #5.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

LurkerBeneath wrote:

OK. Three questions:

Why is there no way to start a discussion of the parent product?

Looks like we had a little data problem. It's fixed now—and while I was at it, I moved this discussion to the parent.

LurkerBeneath wrote:
Why is there no link from the parent product to the print edition?

You shouldn't ever really need to know about children. I assume the only reason that you're interested is that you want to be able to find this thread... and the discussion should be on the parent, which it is now.

LurkerBeneath wrote:
When is the "street date"? I stopped at my FLGS Thursday 1/31 and they said they were still waiting for #5.

The street date was this past Wednesday. We shipped to distribution almost two weeks ago, so they should check the status of their order with their distributor.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Will they ever print this again or will it only be a pdf?

Paizo Employee CEO

Dimitri_Fate wrote:
Will they ever print this again or will it only be a pdf?

We don't have any plans at this time to reprint Pathfinders #1, #3, or #5. We do have stock of the other three, but it is going fast. I expect #6 to sell out shortly.

-Lisa


Is the pdf not for sale anymore?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

jamie noone wrote:
Is the pdf not for sale anymore?

The listing above is for the PDF—the only version we have.


Vic Wertz wrote:
jamie noone wrote:
Is the pdf not for sale anymore?
The listing above is for the PDF—the only version we have.

Ah, I didn't notice that on this page. I was looking at the availability of all the RotR chapters on this page and it was displayed differently than Chapt 3, which lists both the print and pdf versions, though the print version is out of print. I couldn't imagine why the pdfs would come off the market, but I was thinking about doing a pbp campaign and I wanted to make sure I'd still be able to get all the pdfs later.

Thanks for the prompt response!
Jamie

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

jamie noone wrote:
I was looking at the availability of all the RotR chapters on this page and it was displayed differently than Chapt 3...

Excellent point. I've fixed that.


We need to republish using Pathfinder rules :)

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