The deck uses a concept called misalignment where if a good (evil) card is in the evil (good) row, you are supposed to reverse the reading of the card. This really opens up options in the harrow.

I'm thinking of adding another concept that I call discord to my harrows. In this case, if a lawful (chaotic) card is in a chaotic (lawful) position, you put a different spin on the reading. I think it would be either how something in the past will bleed over into the future (lawful in chaotic position) or how something in the future will bring to completion something in the past (chaotic in lawful position). Alternatively, the reading could involve how someone/something of a lawful nature could or did cause a very chaotic result (and vice versa for chaotic card in lawful position) or perhaps, uncharacteristically perform in discord to its nature.

Just a thought....

No. Sadly, Three Dragons Ante card look much better. Both in shape and in the style of the card. Much more believable. The back of the harrow card is exactly like the front of the box. Not at all believable. Seriously, I don't know who tough it was a good idea to have such a back instead of a generic one, but it really was not.

Which is a shame, considering how great the concept is, the utility and fun you can get with using the cards, and all the rules that are related (simple readings, feats to gets special uses, and a prestige class based on it!).

Change it, I'll buy it again. Oh, and make em sturdier while your at it. Easily worth 25-30$ then.

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

They make a significant appearance in the Pathfinder's Journal portion of Kingmaker 4, this month's Pathfinder adventure path.

Can't tip my hand any further without being spoilerish.

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

Very cool I always liked them and have tired to add them in where and when I can.

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

My wish is your command!

Awesome :D

How well would these cards work with D&D 4e? Also, what is lost when using these cards outside of the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path? Thank you.

How well would these cards work with D&D 4e? Also, what is lost when using these cards outside of the Curse of the Crimson Throne Adventure Path? Thank you.

I'm sure they'd work fine with 4E given a little tinkering (or maybe not even that much; I'm just not all that familiar with the system). You're really just looking at simple bonuses to stat-based abilities. I've used them a few times outside of CotCT, once for a PC and a few times with NPCs. It adds great flavor to any character to not only have him be a harrow reader but to also be able to actually do the spread.

The harrow cards themselves have no game rules on them, so they can work as a fun in-game sort of fortune-telling type deck of cards for ANY game.

The way we built the cards though assumes six suits (based on the six ability scores) each of which has one card for the nine alignments. Since 4th edition only has about half this number of alignments, that bit of lore won't translate as well, I guess, but that doesn't mean the cards themselves are any less usable. Since the concepts of things like "well organized evil" or "free-wheeling kindness" or "regimented neutrality" and so on can work in any setting.

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

Now that it has been anounced, do you mean Carrion Crown?

(Say yes, please say yes! :D)

James Jacobs wrote:

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

Now that it has been anounced, do you mean Carrion Crown?

(Say yes, please say yes! :D)

I'm relatively sure we'll be able to find a way to fit the Harrow deck into Carrion Crown. It'd make sense, that's for sure.

Boathar Kaay wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

Now that it has been anounced, do you mean Carrion Crown?

(Say yes, please say yes! :D)

I'm relatively sure we'll be able to find a way to fit the Harrow deck into Carrion Crown. It'd make sense, that's for sure.

Totally sweet alabama liquid snake.

Boathar Kaay wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

GeraintElberion wrote:

Having returned to a suspended Curse of the Crimson Throne game and really enjoyed the harrow readings, is there any chance of these cards being integrated into another adventure path?

The chance of the Harrow deck being integrated into another AP is, I am happy to say, 100%. Stay tuned!

Now that it has been anounced, do you mean Carrion Crown?

(Say yes, please say yes! :D)

I'm relatively sure we'll be able to find a way to fit the Harrow deck into Carrion Crown. It'd make sense, that's for sure.

That would be great, I would love for their to be expanded rules for them as well. Sorta like plot twist cards, only depending on the set you draw instead of the single card or something.

Are the Harrow cards sized to fit with 2.5" x 3.5" (66mm x 91mm) gaming card protectors? I'm considering using these in an introductory game for kids, where the chance of food/beverage spills is pretty high.

Yar.

Are the Harrow cards sized to fit with 2.5" x 3.5" (66mm x 91mm) gaming card protectors? I'm considering using these in an introductory game for kids, where the chance of food/beverage spills is pretty high.

Yes, the Harrow cards are 2.5x3.5 in size, so they should fit in protectors for that size no problem.

^_^

~P

I think that dog eared Tarot cards are more scary... I would like them to look worn.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to intentionally wear out the cards (of a second set) without completely destroying them. I'll be using them in character for Carrion Crown.

Soak 'em? Wrench them around? Looking for a leathery sort of feel - crinkled too much would just be unwieldy.

Quex Ul wrote:

I think that dog eared Tarot cards are more scary... I would like them to look worn.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to intentionally wear out the cards (of a second set) without completely destroying them. I'll be using them in character for Carrion Crown.

Soak 'em? Wrench them around? Looking for a leathery sort of feel - crinkled too much would just be unwieldy.

I wouldn't even know where to start with these cards, but I'd sure as hell be sure to test whatever is suggested on the white note cards that come with the deck before applying it to all of them.

Soaking paper in tea has worked to a point for me when making old looking notes, but that doesn't seem doable with the cards.

Soaking the cards would act weird with the card coating. I would take some coarse-grit sandpaper, then some fine-grit sandpaper to them, maybe put them in a burlap sack and beat on it a bit with a sledge.

If you don't like the back of the cards, I would get some decorative contact paper (or some Mod Podge and a stack of parchment paper), then trim. If change the backs, though, I would do that first, then weather/age it with the sandpaper.

To give them a worn feel. Take the long part of a pencil and press it on the corner of a car, then pull the card out by that corner maintaining pressure with the pencil. Repeat. Do this for each card multiple times from several directions.

Thanks for the ideas - definitely some good ones! Now to find a pencil and my sand paper...

I got my deck to use in my current adventure. I decided that the DEX is the best STAT that describes it. I do not understand what benefit/hindrance the players gain when a role/true/partial/opposite
card(s) show up. Is there an effect (+1/-1 to something)? Or is it just to give flavour and a more qualitative approach to the adventure? If my last question is true, then I do not see the point of the importance of getting a role card.

Also, not clear on this:
- If AP module is based on DEX (DM choice), and a PC asks a question and I decide it belongs to CHA (and his role card shows on the spread) how would this have an effect. Will the PC not get the benefit (if any).

I hope I am missing something.

I could not see anything on this thread that addresses my questions :6