Pathfinder Adventure Path #3: The Hook Mountain Massacre (Rise of the Runelords 3 of 6) (OGL)

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Pathfinder Adventure Path #3: The Hook Mountain Massacre (Rise of the Runelords 3 of 6) (OGL)

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Them Ogres Ain't Right...

The Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path continues! The notorious Hook Mountain ogres, known for their violent and savage ways, have slaughtered the soldiers of Fort Rannick. The few surviving rangers need heroes to help them retake this key fortification before the ogres use it as a staging ground for further assaults on the region. Yet why have the ogres chosen now to launch this sudden attack? What sinister force grows in the surrounding wilderness, and what ties to the mysterious Sihedron Rune do the ogres of Hook Mountain hide? Are the rumors of an army of giants massing for war true?

This volume of Pathfinder Adventure Path continues the Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path and includes:

  • "The Hook Mountain Massacre," an adventure for 7th-level characters by Nicolas Logue.
  • Advice and encounters to spice up the task of commanding a keep, by Mike McArtor and James L. Sutter.
  • An extensive gazetteer of the region of Varisia, including wandering monsters and more, by James L. Sutter.
  • The third installment of the Pathfinder's Journal, by James L. Sutter.
  • Six new monsters by Nicolas Logue.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-038-4

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NO SPOILERS

The Hook Mountain Massacre is the third chapter in the Rise of the Runelords adventure path. In this “No Spoilers” section of the review, I’ll give just a very general comment about the adventure itself and then talk about the articles, fiction, bestiary, etc., that form the back matter of the issue. Below, in the “Spoilers” section, I’ll get into the nitty-gritty and explain how, at least for my group, there really *was* a massacre on Hook Mountain!
As a whole, I thought this chapter was solid, with some memorable set-piece encounters. It definitely reminds the PCs that reading the Player’s Guide is a good idea because it warns them that surviving the wilderness and fighting giant-sized creatures are two things they better be prepared for! There are, however, some crucial parts of the adventure that need more detail, and I also would have liked better integration of the meta-plot from the players’ perspective.

The back matter consists of four main articles: a guide to operating castles, a gazetteer of Varisia, another part of the ongoing short story featuring Eando Kline, and a bestiary. The section ends with Level 7 stats for four pregenerated Iconics (Kyra, Merisiel, Valeros, and Seoni).

The first article, “Keeping the Keep: Running a Fortress in Varisia and Beyond” is headed by really good artwork of a small keep built into a rock wall: it’s easy to dismiss this as just background art until closer inspection reveals it’s exactly a location featured in the main adventure and makes describing that location to the PCs *so* much easier. The article starts with a brief overview of the history, architecture, and personnel of castles in the real world. One could find this information easily online or in the library, but it is a nice, concise explanation of, for example, the difference between a Barbican and a Bastion. The rest of the article is then a fun 1d20 table and corresponding description of “Weekly Fortress Events” such as “Collapsing Tower,” “Secret Chamber,” and “Snake Oil Salesman.” It’s a really simple and practical way to liven things up if the PCs in any campaign take over an adventuring locale in the wilderness and make it their headquarters. Even though some game mechanics are included, this is a more “rules-light” approach and it’s not a substitute for a full “kingdom-building” simulation like you might find in Ultimate Campaign or Kingmaker. Still, I don’t think this part has ever been reprinted anywhere and it’s a nice option for GMs.

The second article, “Varisia: Cradle of Legends” is a very matter-of-fact but quite thorough and useful overview of dozens of locations in the area. In essence, each location gets a one-paragraph summary, and everything from geographical features like the Stony Mountains to towns like Roderic’s Cove to potential adventuring sites like The Sunken Queen are included. A lot of this material was copy-and-pasted into the RotRL Anniversary Edition Player’s Guide, but it’s invaluable to GMs, especially since many of these places have never had their lore expanded on elsewhere and PCs have a habit of going “off-script” in APs. The article includes good artwork of Riddleport and Viperwall, and a full detailed map of Varisia which I used extensively when the players in my game started travelling away from Sandpoint. Finally, the section includes a wandering monster table broken up by different terrain types: it has the typical problem of allowing an encounter of CL1 and CL14 for the same band of adventurers, so I wouldn’t use it as written, but as a starting point for inspiration it would be fine.

The short fiction for this volume is “Hand of the Handless,” continuing Eando Kline’s quest for an ioun stone. This chapter of his story takes him to Kaer Maga, my favourite city in all of Golarion after reading James Sutter’s City of Strangers. Sidebars provide a brief overview of the city’s districts and factions. I don’t want to spoil much about the story, so I’ll just say it involves nagas, bloatmages, and has an ending that really hits you in the gut.

The bestiary for this issue has six monsters. Many of these, or variations of them, appear in the adventure itself, so it’s best for RotRL players to avoid reading the entries. First up is a “Smoke Haunt,” which is basically a small undead that takes up residence in campfires to hypnotize and drain the life-force of those around it: a perfect foe to liven up another routine trip through the wilderness. Next, “Totenmasks”, are a clever twist on the notion of undead monsters: they’re creepy as hell and illustrated fittingly. “Skull Rippers” are constructs from ancient Thassilon that are scorpion-like guardians of tombs and ossuaries; they are nasty customers and there’s more background on them here than anywhere else. “Argorths” are giant deadly worms—this was the only entry that fell flat for me, as it wasn’t particularly creative. “Mother of Oblivion” is a gargantuan octopus-like aquatic monster with some great world-lore and the best ability ever: trans-dimensional tentacles! Last up are “Ogrekin,” the degenerate, deformed, and grotesque offspring of an ogre and a smaller humanoid; they kidnap people for fates far worse than death. Not all of these monsters made the RotRL Anniversary Edition, and the entries here provide additional lore and background that was often left out, so a current-day GM can still get value from this bestiary.

Now, on to the adventure!

SPOILERS

One of the strengths of the RotRL AP is that it keeps things moving and covers all the bases of traditional adventuring. Chapter I had the PCs as heroes defending a small town, Chapter II moved things to the complication of the big city, and now Chapter III forces them out into the rugged wilderness of Varisia where they don’t have civilization to fall back on. After being sent to investigate a mysteriously-silent fort, the PCs then need to save a dam from collapsing before taking the battle to the home of the malefactors responsible: a clan of brutish ogres. The entertaining preface by James Jacobs says that this chapter was inspired by movies like The Hills Have Eyes, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Deliverance, and other horror stories of degenerate backwoods monsters. Well, it delivers!
Part One sees the PCs hired by the Lord-Mayor of Magnimar to journey to a remote outpost in central Varisia to find out why Fort Rannick, a keep manned by rangers defending the area, has gone silent. It’s a very generic adventure hook that only coincidentally continues the PCs involvement in the overall story of the AP. The weeks-long journey to the Hook Mountain region is left for the GM to detail, whether the traditional day-by-day and random encounter approach or the hand-waving “boom, you’re there” approach. I like flexibility, but I would have appreciated some more content to support the first approach (even some minor RP encounters along the way would have been great). The PCs are expected to stop at Turtleback Ferry, a small town near the silent keep, to gather some clues about what may have happened. Turtleback Ferry is not described in nearly as much detail as Sandpoint, so again the GM is going to have to do some work if players are expecting fully-fleshed out settings. Everything above is handled in three pages, so it’s sketchily drawn.

When they do set out for the fort, the PCs may swallow an adventure hook that lures them to a farmhouse full of ogre-kin named the Grauls. These are basically mutated hillbillies, and this whole section of the adventure is hilariously, awesomely twisted in the vein of classic 70s horror movies. If a “Skin Shucking Room” makes you smile rather than run away, this is the adventure for you! Apparently this is as extreme as Paizo ever allowed its writers to get, so enjoy it while you can. Anyway, the Graul farm encounter is important because the PCs are expected to rescue a trio of rangers from Fort Rannick and will thus gain both information on what happened and allies that can assist them in retaking it. (there’s also a subplot with Shalelu tied to one of the rangers.) The only problem when I ran it is that the adventure hook that leads the PCs to the Graul farm is one that can be easily ignored by a group who may just think it’s another random encounter on the road. So my group bypassed this whole part of the adventure, did things the hard way, and made me scramble to get the next part prepped on time!

Part Two, “Retaking Rannick,” covers exactly that. The PCs learn that Fort Rannick is now occupied by a couple of dozen of ogres and have to figure out how to oust them. The premise is that a frontal attack is obviously suicidal, so this is meant to be a test of the players’ ability to be creative and strategize. The writer of this chapter, Nick Logue, intentionally created several ways in which the PCs could infiltrate the fort, trick the ogres, etc. It’s good scenario-design. My group, of course, just marched right up to the front gates and attacked! Somehow, in their shining moment of awesomeness, they won two pitched battles against the ogres and recaptured the fort that way. But I digress. PCs are given the option to make Fort Rannick their new headquarters in the region, which explains the article on running a keep in the back matter.

Part Three, “Down Comes the Rain,” starts with a surge of floodwaters sweeping through Turtleback Ferry. It’s a bit contrived, but one way or another the PCs are supposed to be present when the flooding starts so they can help rescue the townspeople from not just the water but a truly massive (well out of their CR-range) monster called Black Magga that gets swept into the town along with the flood. The PCs aren’t meant to defeat Black Magga, but just survive for a few rounds until she decides to leave. Still, I’m not sure if it’s a fair encounter for the players, and my group saw two PCs die quite inauspiciously from it.

The sudden flooding is supposed to lead the PCs to realize that an ancient Thassilonian dam to the north, Skull’s Crossing, must be damaged and in need of repair. The logical chain here frankly isn’t very good, as there’s little reason for PCs to think the dam is just damaged or that they, as adventurers rather than emergency structural engineers, could do anything to stop it from collapsing.
Anyway, assuming the PCs do somehow get to Skull’s Crossing, they’ll find a really cool site for a memorable cinematic battle: the slippery, narrow walkway on top of the dam with precipitous drops on either side. Alas, the actual encounter on top of the dam with a few exhausted ogres is completely forgettable, and the real battles take place inside a more traditional dungeon-like complex. The gist of the matter is that the dam is failing because a pair of trapped pit fiends whose magic has powered the dam’s floodgates for millennia are failing (one has already died, and the other is very weak). The PCs are expected to negotiate with the pit fiend to help save the dam, which is an interesting challenge. However, I found the mechanisms of how the dam operated quite unclear, and there’s not much provided on how PCs are supposed to figure out how the magic of the pit fiends/summoning circles relates to the dam. In other words, crucial details are left out of a crucial scene. And worse, although there’s a timeline given as to *when* the dam will collapse if not repaired, there’s no information provided on what exactly *happens* if it collapses (as in my game). Presumably Turtleback Ferry is destroyed, but it’s unclear how far down the devastation goes or what the ramifications are for the larger story-arc with the big bad guys behind the scenes that I haven’t touched on yet.

Part Four, “The Haunted Heart,” struck me as a very weird section to include in the AP when I first read it, and I think I’m going to stick to that view now despite it having some interesting ideas. In essence, at some point in their adventuring in the region, the PCs are led by a pixie (who was a joy to role-play, I’ll admit) into the mysterious, trackless swamps called the Shimmerglens. There, the spirit of a murdered nymph named Myriana demands the PCs recover the bones of her lover, the commander of Fort Rannick. There are a lot of evocative, haunting little encounters in the Shimmerglens that aren’t combat-oriented. Still, the problem is that this element of the story is very poorly integrated into the plot and seems to come from almost out of nowhere when the PCs have a lot of other, more important things to do deal with. Another issue is that the PCs have been dealing with the very visceral, gory horrors of ogres and ogrekin, and the sudden change in tack to the sombre, ghostly hauntings of the Shimmerglens is quite jarring. I was able to incorporate this part and it was okay, but it’s certainly not necessary.

Part Five, “Harrowing the Hook,” concludes the chapter. Either the residents of Turtleback Ferry or Myriana’s pixie tells the PCs that they need to oust the Kreeg ogres from their stronghold near the top of Hook Mountain if the region is ever going to be safe. I think my PCs will best remember this section of the AP for the gruelling challenge they had with the environment rules (cold weather and altitude sickness) combined with the climbing rules. They eventually made it up Hook Mountain, but then, exhausted and suffering from hypothermia, they (nearly) TPK’d at the entrance! It definitely demonstrated why having characters prepared for the rigours of a wilderness adventure (as detailed in the Player’s Guide) is worthwhile.

I thought the Kreeg Clanhold itself was fine but fairly average. It’s filled with the requisite ogres along with some hags, a frost wight, and this chapter’s “big bad”, a stone giant named Barl Breakbones. By this point, players should be pretty familiar with battling creatures larger and stronger than themselves, and should be prepared to take advantage of their weaknesses. The chapter ends with the defeat of Breakbones and the discovery of a note indicating that stone giant armies are headed for Sandpoint! Can’t argue with that as a cliffhanger.

I haven’t talked yet about how any of these relates to the larger story-arc of the AP as a whole. In part this is to avoid spoiling any of my players reading this, but in part because the connection with much of what happens in this chapter is only indirectly related to the meta-plot. The behind the scenes storyline is really complex, but it’s also very opaque to the players and could understandably leave them wondering whether there *is* any larger story that each chapter is building towards. Indeed, if I had one criticism of the AP as a whole so far it’s that there’s not a gradually increasing involvement of the characters in the plot but instead (apart from a recurrence of Sihedron runes) a largely disjointed series of really cool but largely independent chapters.

That general note aside, I really enjoyed running The Hook Mountain Massacre. It has some great encounter locations, challenges the PCs to be prepared and creative, and sets things up nicely for the next chapter.


*****


Great articles, great set pieces, but not a good adventure as a whole

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Pro :
- A great gazetter of Varisia
- Ogrekins get a great flavour, both thematically and mechanically
- The opportunity for the players to play a major role in the leadership of the fort is a nice addition to the campaign
- The Skull's cross damn as a concept

Con :
- The different parts of the adventure really feel disjointed, both in term of story structure and flavour. AP3 goes in every direction and tries to do too many things and to tackle too many themes and not always in a logical way. The skull's cross damn is indeed a great concept but don't fit well with the ogre theme and the fairy-touched haunted vale part is totally irrelevant.
- The starting hook is really a poor one : why would the players want to leave Magnimar/Sandpoint ?
- The 2 parts with true ogres, especially the final part, are just monster bashing.


Suprisingly good change in style

*****

This so far has been the most enjoyable part of the campaign. At the end of the last part, the PC's were wary of leaving Sandpoint but once they got underway they got more comfortable with it. The Graul homestead is a memorable sidequest that we still talk about to this day. Fort Rannick was also memorable in the planning on how to retake a fort taken over by ogres. Overall I like how this takes the game away from "civilization" and puts them more in a frontier type setting with the threat of ogres looming over. One thing that can happen is the PCs can gain control of a fort and that seems to be the most controversial thing about this book. I went ahead and gave it to the PCs and that in itself has turned into a mini-game for them, on how to run the fort when there is downtime. Be warned that the difficulty does increase for this part as a couple of the encounters I was able to take down some PCs. It may not seem like it to the PCs but the whole thing is a set up for the metaplot of the endgame. This volume includes the adventure "The Hook Mountain Massacre", an article of how to run a keep, a Varisian gazetteer (which was very good), another chapter of the Pathfinder journal, and a Bestiary with some unique creatures.


Portuguese - Br

*****

É seguramente uma das melhores aventuras da Paizo. Há combates e interpretação numa boa medida, possui reviravoltas na trama e seus maiores problemas são de encaixe na trama geral de Rise of the Runelords e uma expectativa para um final sem muito clímax. Os artigos complementares são bem escritos, mas tem pouco uso para quem não usar o cenário de Golarion (mas se usar, são quase essenciais). Vale a pena ler só pelas ideias apresentadas, mas cuidado, o autor usou de conteúdo com forte violência gráfica e psicológica (nível filme de terror do bom, mas ainda assim bem acima do que se vê em aventuras de RPG)


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Yasha0006 wrote:
Mr Baron wrote:

**shudders**

I remember that X-files episode. Although, I am not sure I wanted to...truly demented.

Did Nick write that one?

No. Nick's exploits were perhaps the inspiration for it. His youthful misadventures I can only imagine were far more demented and sick compared to what he lets us see now. You see, hes in the public (by public I mean us folks here on Paizo.com, hardly a huge demographic, but hey...) eye now. He just pretends to be a slightly deviant fellow...the truth on the other hand....the basement...oh god.....

** spoiler omitted **

Ha, my youthful misadventures were very misadventurous. I can't believe I evaded jail as often I as I should not have been able to. ;-)

I just ran three Marvel Adventures back to back today, but as soon as I build up some more steam Yasha, you are most most welcome at my gaming table - any Paizoite is!


Kruelaid wrote:


I really liked that polygonal stuff. The rangers, the races of Varisia, the Thistletop merc with the huge sword in P1, and a few others. I don't find it cartoony--comic-booky, sure. Who did it?

Upon further consideration, I think "comic-booky" is a more apt description. I was incorrectly using the two terms "cartoony" and "comic-booky" interchangeably.


Nicolas Logue wrote:


Ha, my youthful misadventures were very misadventurous. I can't believe I evaded jail as often I as I should not have been able to. ;-)

I just ran three Marvel Adventures back to back today, but as soon as I build up some more steam Yasha, you are most most welcome at my gaming table - any Paizoite is!

Well should you ever find your way to the capitol city of the Govenator State let me know. That would be awesome.

Sacramento CA for those who don't know.

I appreciate the offer god sir! <--Hmm...I'm not even going to change that typo.... ^_^y


I just received Hook Mountain Massacre and the Pharoah adventure last night.

<best Homer impersonation>

"Mmm. New module smell."

Looking forward to reading them in the next few days. :-)


Varl wrote:
I just received Hook Mountain Massacre and the Pharoah adventure last night.

So did I! *squee*

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Yasha0006 wrote:
Nicolas Logue wrote:


Ha, my youthful misadventures were very misadventurous. I can't believe I evaded jail as often I as I should not have been able to. ;-)

I just ran three Marvel Adventures back to back today, but as soon as I build up some more steam Yasha, you are most most welcome at my gaming table - any Paizoite is!

Well should you ever find your way to the capitol city of the Govenator State let me know. That would be awesome.

Sacramento CA for those who don't know.

I appreciate the offer god sir! <--Hmm...I'm not even going to change that typo.... ^_^y

You never know where I'll land Yasha! I'll let you know if I'm headed out Cali-way!


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Can't wait to get the book btw...
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Just got my copy today. It looks great so far!


Loving every minute Nick! We depraved and sick individuals salute and applaud you.


Vic Wertz wrote:
You've always been able to pull out the map backgrounds *if* the cartographer submitted the map to us as a layered file (meaning the text is separate).

How do you pull out the backgrounds?

I seem to recall when I originally d/l Burnt Offerings, the maps were one piece. I had to reformat and re-d/l the files. When I did, they were chopped up in little pieces. I had to paste them together to make the complete map. What gives?

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CourtFool wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
You've always been able to pull out the map backgrounds *if* the cartographer submitted the map to us as a layered file (meaning the text is separate).

How do you pull out the backgrounds?

I seem to recall when I originally d/l Burnt Offerings, the maps were one piece. I had to reformat and re-d/l the files. When I did, they were chopped up in little pieces. I had to paste them together to make the complete map. What gives?

Early on, we had some issues with the process from layout to PDF. I know recent ones are correct, and images aren't split up, but we haven't had time to redo some of the earlier ones that do have that problem.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Early on, we had some issues with the process from layout to PDF. I know recent ones are correct, and images aren't split up, but we haven't had time to redo some of the earlier ones that do have that problem.

Does this go for the GameMastery PDFs as well? Also, what is "earlier".

Thanks : )

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tdewitt274 wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Early on, we had some issues with the process from layout to PDF. I know recent ones are correct, and images aren't split up, but we haven't had time to redo some of the earlier ones that do have that problem.

Does this go for the GameMastery PDFs as well? Also, what is "earlier".

Thanks : )

Honestly, I haven't checked them, so I don't know what PDFs it does and doesn't apply to, but I think we fixed it around Pathfinder 3, and it probably didn't affect a few things before that. (I don't have the files handy.)


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I'm just about to wrap this one up with my players. I'm curious how a particular encounter I describe in the spoiler played out with others. In the last session...

Spoiler:
...my players met the Pit Fiend trapped in the magic circle. He first tried asking them to free him, then offered to tell them how to activate the floodgates in exchange for freedom. They deduced that they needed to put a summon in the other circle on their own, but felt that whatever they put in there would not last long enough to be a real, long-term solution. So the Pit Fiend offered to put something longer lasting into the circles.

I decided beforehand that since it said in the description that the devil could still Greater Teleport, I decided that he could still use all of his powers. One of the players had a high enough Knowledge planes that he would already know something about devils in general and Pit Fiends specifically, so I told him that Devils always keep the letter of their word.

After more negotiation, Avaxiel offered to give them a wish. To my surprise though, my players did not seem to want it in the slightest. There was some joking about asking for lots of treasure or some powerful magic item, but when it finally came down to it, they agreed to dispel the circle in exchange for a promise from Avaxiel to agree to never attack them, to put two Erinyes into the circles "Strong enough to last 1,000 years," and to use the Wish to restore the Dam to the way it was when it was new, then finally to leave the plane using Greater Teleport, never to return. Their requests were so unselfish and reasonable, that I did not even bother trying to pervert the request. I also decided that the Devil was more than a little afraid of destruction in his weakened condition and was content to keep to the spirit of the request without bothering with betrayal.

During their negotiations, Avaxiel mentioned that he had been put there by a wizard named Karzoug. I was considering trying to think of some way to perhaps have him later offer some kind of reward, through a proxy, to the PCs in exchange for Karzoug's head, once word reached him that Karzoug still lived.

Anyway, sorry that was long. Anyone else offer their players a wish?


*spoilers ahead*
I am sorry to voice hard words, but just finished the module, and it probably killed my Rise of the Runelords Campaign. I am burnt out and my players got frustrated hacking through tons of always the same ogres, not seeing the point of it in relation to the Campaign. Linking of the episodes were rather illogic and without some tweeking, the glitches in the timelime would have set-up my players completely. In the end they laughed at the ridiculously overused gore and grime theme and the Blackarrows, who just seemed to have survived, because they were just not challenged before and fell to the first real threat, because of sending away half the fort on patrol regularly.
I laughed about rooms not even 30 by 30 ft which are stuffed with three large monsters, protected by a punny (for 9th lvl characters) wight, which are supposed to cast force-cage on the PCs filing in by a 5ft wide tunnel and try to escape by the very same way. And I cried about the wasted real role-playing episode (e.g. Paradise, Whitewillow and the witches) degrading the associated NPCs to yet another monster with a short speech to be slain. They seem to have been cut in order to tell unnecessary stories about the motivation and history of unimportant cannon fodder monsters (Ettin, ogre cook).
I tried my best to modify the adventure, get rid of the glitches and involve my players by interweaving their character backgrounds. As it stands I didn't succeed much. Moreover I buy adventures because I am low on time to come up with them myself. Enjoying part 1 and 2 I know that there are much better adventures in the Pathfinder AP series.
Hopefully after a break, we can give Part 4 a try or start CotCT.

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Belfur wrote:
*spoilers ahead*

When you post, there is a button marked "BBCode tags you can use:" clicking on it will show you them all, including that for spoilers.

It's basically [spolier]your text here[/spolier] but with 'spoiler' spelt correctly.


Wait, wait -- I just ordered the non-mint copy of this that was for sale (at least it was yesterday), there was a problem with my payment (for some reason only the PDF got authorized, and it tried to hit my debit card twice over for the AP... so it got an 'insufficient funds' response and my buy was refused, though the money for it is still in electronic limbo), I was told to wait until 'Tuesday or Wednesday for this to clear up' and now I find out it's gone?

*Groan* So much for patience.

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Eric Hinkle wrote:

Wait, wait -- I just ordered the non-mint copy of this that was for sale (at least it was yesterday), there was a problem with my payment (for some reason only the PDF got authorized, and it tried to hit my debit card twice over for the AP... so it got an 'insufficient funds' response and my buy was refused, though the money for it is still in electronic limbo), I was told to wait until 'Tuesday or Wednesday for this to clear up' and now I find out it's gone?

*Groan* So much for patience.

No worries—when you submitted you order, a copy was earmarked for you.


Vic Wertz wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:

Wait, wait -- I just ordered the non-mint copy of this that was for sale (at least it was yesterday), there was a problem with my payment (for some reason only the PDF got authorized, and it tried to hit my debit card twice over for the AP... so it got an 'insufficient funds' response and my buy was refused, though the money for it is still in electronic limbo), I was told to wait until 'Tuesday or Wednesday for this to clear up' and now I find out it's gone?

*Groan* So much for patience.

No worries—when you submitted you order, a copy was earmarked for you.

Thank you for explaining that. Now I just gotta wait for the payment to clear.

BTW, about how many individual copies of the 'scratch-and-bent' Pathfinder books are there? Just one each?

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Eric Hinkle wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Eric Hinkle wrote:

Wait, wait -- I just ordered the non-mint copy of this that was for sale (at least it was yesterday), there was a problem with my payment (for some reason only the PDF got authorized, and it tried to hit my debit card twice over for the AP... so it got an 'insufficient funds' response and my buy was refused, though the money for it is still in electronic limbo), I was told to wait until 'Tuesday or Wednesday for this to clear up' and now I find out it's gone?

*Groan* So much for patience.

No worries—when you submitted you order, a copy was earmarked for you.

Thank you for explaining that. Now I just gotta wait for the payment to clear.

BTW, about how many individual copies of the 'scratch-and-bent' Pathfinder books are there? Just one each?

It varies. There were a couple of books that our printer didn't pack well, so we have lots; other books, just one or two.


The book just arrived, and only a date after my birthday. Thanks, Paizo!

BTW, considering that the books is supposed to be "damaged", it looks to be in better shape than some books I've seen being sold on the shelves in bookstores. Great job and thanks.

Though now, after reading the intro, I am wondering just what was cut to keep Nick out of jail protect our tender eyes. :D


I've managed to collect all the parts of this AP in physical copy except this particular one. I'm not a huge fan of laptops at the gaming table and I'd much rather have the physical product. Are there still physical copies of this available through Paizo?

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highpriestrsw wrote:
I've managed to collect all the parts of this AP in physical copy except this particular one. I'm not a huge fan of laptops at the gaming table and I'd much rather have the physical product. Are there still physical copies of this available through Paizo?

Nope—it's completely sold out; even the non-mint copies are gone.

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highpriestrsw wrote:
I've managed to collect all the parts of this AP in physical copy except this particular one. I'm not a huge fan of laptops at the gaming table and I'd much rather have the physical product. Are there still physical copies of this available through Paizo?

It seems you can find it in ebay for about $30 right now


Is it safe to assume that any Kreeg ogres that fled Fort Rannick due to the PC's defeating Jaagrath and displaying his head for all to see (the bard scored a '40' on his Intimidate skill check, including the +15 bonus for the severed head), would head back to the Hook Mountain Clanhold? Or would they fear Barl's wrath for failing to hold the Fort?
Karly-Lop, Jolly, and Minktuck Kreeg survived along with nearly 20 ogres - that might make for quite a battle royale if the party were to meet up with the lot in the foothills leading up to the Clanhold!

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We just got done with the Graul farmstead today and I must say there were some feelings in our group that it was too over the top and possibly offensive. Is Graul more or less the peak of depravity for the AP, or should we expect even worse stuff ahead?


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Samy wrote:
We just got done with the Graul farmstead today and I must say there were some feelings in our group that it was too over the top and possibly offensive. Is Graul more or less the peak of depravity for the AP, or should we expect even worse stuff ahead?

The Grauls are the peak of depravity in the whole Pathfinder Adventure Path line, so you should be safe now. Interestingly, the adventure was actually toned down from what Nicholas Logue originally delivered...


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Samy wrote:
We just got done with the Graul farmstead today and I must say there were some feelings in our group that it was too over the top and possibly offensive. Is Graul more or less the peak of depravity for the AP, or should we expect even worse stuff ahead?

The Grauls are pretty much the peak of depravity. The editors pulled back from that edge after the Hook Horror Massacre chapter, and there's nothing quite like that in any of the other volumes or AP's afterwards. That's not to say that there isn't distrubing stuff in later AP's, just that it's not so saturated and it's usually treated more delicately.

Liberty's Edge

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Thanks guys. Looking forward to the upcoming stuff then.

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