...what I'm getting at is that if media mail shipment was an option, you would be able to knock a few more dollars off of the total cost (and paizo wouldn't take a hit from it). I'll already have the PDF, so I can wait an extra week to get my hard copy if it saves me some money by shipping it a slower method.

Media Mail™

...Contents are limited to books, manuscripts, sound recordings, recorded videotapes, and computer-readable media (not blank). Informally called "Book Rate," Media Mail cannot contain advertising, except eligible books may contain incidental announcements of books...

Nearly every book we sell in the entire store contains some advertisement beyond "incidental announcements of books" that disqualifies it for Media Mail.

Xpltvdeleted wrote:

...what I'm getting at is that if media mail shipment was an option, you would be able to knock a few more dollars off of the total cost (and paizo wouldn't take a hit from it). I'll already have the PDF, so I can wait an extra week to get my hard copy if it saves me some money by shipping it a slower method.

USPS wrote:

Media Mail™

...Contents are limited to books, manuscripts, sound recordings, recorded videotapes, and computer-readable media (not blank). Informally called "Book Rate," Media Mail cannot contain advertising, except eligible books may contain incidental announcements of books...

Nearly every book we sell in the entire store contains some advertisement beyond "incidental announcements of books" that disqualifies it for Media Mail.

that is how exactly describe the advertisement in you books, in fact it seems very little different then advertisement i see in paperback novels this day.

How do you define incidental announcements of books? and have you verified it with the post office?

One can safely assume that the big honkin' PFRPG dragon ad is an ad, and not an "incidental announcement" ;-)

One can safely assume that the big honkin' PFRPG dragon ad is an ad, and not an "incidental announcement" ;-)

Have you seen advertisements in Novels recently or any reference book? other then they are black and white, it is about the same, and I don't think anyone would argue they can't be sent media mail...

Edit: Just looked more closely on USPS definition of incidental mail, and Paizo is correct.. a little annoyed about that, many companies I order from don't follow that and send RPG books media mail. In fact almost any book I see at a book store does not fall into only incidental announcements.

Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

Xpltvdeleted wrote:

...what I'm getting at is that if media mail shipment was an option, you would be able to knock a few more dollars off of the total cost (and paizo wouldn't take a hit from it). I'll already have the PDF, so I can wait an extra week to get my hard copy if it saves me some money by shipping it a slower method.

USPS wrote:

Media Mail™

...Contents are limited to books, manuscripts, sound recordings, recorded videotapes, and computer-readable media (not blank). Informally called "Book Rate," Media Mail cannot contain advertising, except eligible books may contain incidental announcements of books...

Nearly every book we sell in the entire store contains some advertisement beyond "incidental announcements of books" that disqualifies it for Media Mail.

I think you're erring WAAAAY too far on the side of caution for this one. I'll have to look at my AP books again, but IIRC, they contain a full-page ad for one of your books and the order sheet for the other APs that are available. 2/96 pages in the book (if those even count toward the 96 page total...I would hope not) isn't even 3% of the total book...that seems pretty incidental to me. Have you contacted USPS to see if these are actually prohibited per the USPS Media Mail policy?

Just looked more closely on USPS definition of incidental mail, and Paizo is correct.. a little annoyed about that, many companies I order from don't follow that and send RPG books media mail. In fact almost any book I see at a book store does not fall into only incidental announcements.

I noticed the same thing that you did. I guess that a lot of the smaller RPG companies just don't have the manpower or willpower to sort through all the USPS regulations. Paizo, on the other hand, has a very large e-commerce operation. If we fell afoul of the USPS regulations, it could have a huge impact on our business. So we don't take any chances and don't bend the rules. Which sometimes sucks for us and our customers. :( But at least we are following the law.

-Lisa

I noticed the same thing that you did. I guess that a lot of the smaller RPG companies just don't have the manpower or willpower to sort through all the USPS regulations. Paizo, on the other hand, has a very large e-commerce operation. If we fell afoul of the USPS regulations, it could have a huge impact on our business. So we don't take any chances and don't bend the rules. Which sometimes sucks for us and our customers. :( But at least we are following the law.

-Lisa

Stay classy Lisa... Stay classy

Lisa Stevens wrote:

I noticed the same thing that you did. I guess that a lot of the smaller RPG companies just don't have the manpower or willpower to sort through all the USPS regulations. Paizo, on the other hand, has a very large e-commerce operation. If we fell afoul of the USPS regulations, it could have a huge impact on our business. So we don't take any chances and don't bend the rules. Which sometimes sucks for us and our customers. :( But at least we are following the law.

-Lisa

Stay classy Lisa... Stay classy

Is that the equivalent of "stay on target...stay on target..." :)

Sometimes it is hard not to get just a touch bitter when other people break the rules and get away with it, and then it is constantly brought up as something that Paizo is doing wrong. I've said it once and I will say it again I am sure, we strive very hard to give people the lowest possible shipping rates we can, even to the point of subsidizing those rates if we think they are too high. We gain absolutely nothing when shipping rates are high, and in fact, probably lose business because of it. I just refuse to break the rules in order to get those low rates.

Now, I want to point something out. I don't think those other companies are on purposely breaking the rules. Like I said, they probably don't have the time to check into all those obscure regulations and probably think that they are following the rules. So, I don't think that most of those companies are breaking the rules on purpose. Just as an oversight.

-Lisa

Regarding Pathfinder Adventure Path.

Hi I recently subscribed to Pathfinder Adventure Paths and am planning on running a campaign exclusively using this content.

The problem is I have only started my collection from the Kingmaker. I obviously want to start from the Rune Lord. However I notice that many issues are only available in PDF.

Is there a way I can get the entire collection from number 1 in print?

Kind Regards,

Jean-Paul

I'm afraid your best bet is going to be eBay or other similar services. Some adventure path installments are out of print and Paizo haven't announced any plans to release "gift set" bundles or hardcover compilations at this point.

Thanks Ravenmantle.

I think the best thing to do then is to try to buy what I can as complete sets one by one - and just get PFD versions of what I can't get.

Any ideas on printing PDFs so that they look good? Willing to take it to a printer myself?

There is also some stores that will mail order stuff. I know locally the Gaming store chain the last time I checked still had most of the RotRL still in print. I am not sure if they do mail order or not though. Fantasyshoponline.com is there web URL with contact info.

Gorbacz wrote:

One can safely assume that the big honkin' PFRPG dragon ad is an ad, and not an "incidental announcement" ;-)

Have you seen advertisements in Novels recently or any reference book? other then they are black and white, it is about the same, and I don't think anyone would argue they can't be sent media mail...

Edit: Just looked more closely on USPS definition of incidental mail, and Paizo is correct.. a little annoyed about that, many companies I order from don't follow that and send RPG books media mail. In fact almost any book I see at a book store does not fall into only incidental announcements.

USPS wrote:

Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.

Yeah—I can't find the specific wording at the moment, but "incidental announcements of books" is pretty much limited to a list of titles, with or without prices, and an indication of where those books can be purchased. And they all have to be *books*—mentioning map packs or cards would be right out.

Regarding Pathfinder Adventure Path.

Hi I recently subscribed to Pathfinder Adventure Paths and am planning on running a campaign exclusively using this content.

The problem is I have only started my collection from the Kingmaker. I obviously want to start from the Rune Lord. However I notice that many issues are only available in PDF.

Is there a way I can get the entire collection from number 1 in print?

You can scrunge used books sites like abebooks, or lurk on Ebay. Or you can buy it in PDF and have a printer print and bind for you from the PDF...

Quick subscription/ordering question.

I have about decided to get the AP ongoing subscription, and I realize that once I do, I will get hard-copy via mail and will be able to download the PDF for free. As I look at the subscription page, it is indicating that I can start my subscription with AP #33 or AP #34. I have recently started the Kingmaker AP, and will need #32 shortly.

If I have to go back for #32 and order the hard-copy, will I get #32 PDF as a free download or would I need to purchase that separately?

Actually, the last question could apply to other AP lines (or even other subscription lines). If I have a subscription, and order a back product hard-copy, will it include the PDF or will I have to purchase the PDFs separately?

Looking forward to your reply so I can get my subscription started.

Quick subscription/ordering question.

I have about decided to get the AP ongoing subscription, and I realize that once I do, I will get hard-copy via mail and will be able to download the PDF for free. As I look at the subscription page, it is indicating that I can start my subscription with AP #33 or AP #34. I have recently started the Kingmaker AP, and will need #32 shortly.

If I have to go back for #32 and order the hard-copy, will I get #32 PDF as a free download or would I need to purchase that separately?

Actually, the last question could apply to other AP lines (or even other subscription lines). If I have a subscription, and order a back product hard-copy, will it include the PDF or will I have to purchase the PDFs separately?

Looking forward to your reply so I can get my subscription started.

Separately, you only get the free PDF if you was a subscriber and got it as part of your subscription. I know why they do it that way.

Thanks Dark. I went ahead and subscribed and bought #32 PDF. I like having hard-copy, but PDF is just too convenient :(. (And I was Jonesing for something to read lol).

Thanks for your input.

YW and i agree the PDF is handy. I use it before the game or something to C&P some of the information in the back of the AP's to hand out or share with the players more easily.

If I'm interested in subscribing to the Kingmaker adventure path..

As it is currently at volume 3, will the subscription start at volume 1 with the 30% cover price or do I need to buy the first books separately?

If I'm interested in subscribing to the Kingmaker adventure path..

As it is currently at volume 3, will the subscription start at volume 1 with the 30% cover price or do I need to buy the first books separately?

Right now you can start the subscription with either #33 or 34. Once you're a subscriber you'll get a 15% discount on the back issues you order. You'll get the PDFs free for all the issues included in the subscription, but you'd need to buy those for the back issues separately (if you wanted them).

Pretty much what I wanted to hear, thanks! ;)

I use the PDFs wayyyyy more than the hardcopy.

Hello Mr. Copy/Paste!

(best way to get all those nice new monsters and rules into one place)

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur? I'm assuming soon, since the expected date of arrival for the .pdf is only just over 2 weeks away. :)

Due to major delays with the Australian distributor, Walrus and Carpenter, getting your stuff in (as an example, I still have not received Adventurer's Armoury despite having pre-ordered it through my FLGS way before it was due) I'm going to restart one or two of my more pressing Subs and want to get this one rolling ASAP.

Cheers :)

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur?

You might already know that you can always start a sub with either the most recent volume on the next upcoming volume... but since volumes 36 and 37 are shipping simultaneously, 37 will never actually *be* the next upcoming volume, and 36 will never be the most recent volume.

So the answer is that, as soon as we put 36 and 37 into inventory, which should be sometime next week, your starting option will switch from your choice of 35 or 36 to your choice of 37 or 38.

flash_cxxi wrote:

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur?

You might already know that you can always start a sub with either the most recent volume on the next upcoming volume... but since volumes 36 and 37 are shipping simultaneously, 37 will never actually *be* the next upcoming volume, and 36 will never be the most recent volume.

So the answer is that, as soon as we put 36 and 37 into inventory, which should be sometime next week, your starting option will switch from your choice of 35 or 36 to your choice of 37 or 38.

Bugger, I'll be away all next week and was hoping it might be this week. :(

Yeah, I know about the recent or next volume option, I was just waiting for it to click over to SftSS as the next available option. :)

Vic Wertz wrote:

flash_cxxi wrote:

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur?

You might already know that you can always start a sub with either the most recent volume on the next upcoming volume... but since volumes 36 and 37 are shipping simultaneously, 37 will never actually *be* the next upcoming volume, and 36 will never be the most recent volume.

So the answer is that, as soon as we put 36 and 37 into inventory, which should be sometime next week, your starting option will switch from your choice of 35 or 36 to your choice of 37 or 38.

Bugger, I'll be away all next week and was hoping it might be this week. :(

Yeah, I know about the recent or next volume option, I was just waiting for it to click over to SftSS as the next available option. :)

Since Racing to Ruin (38) won't be out until mid September, you have that long until Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv will disappear.

flash_cxxi wrote:

Vic Wertz wrote:

flash_cxxi wrote:

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur?

You might already know that you can always start a sub with either the most recent volume on the next upcoming volume... but since volumes 36 and 37 are shipping simultaneously, 37 will never actually *be* the next upcoming volume, and 36 will never be the most recent volume.

So the answer is that, as soon as we put 36 and 37 into inventory, which should be sometime next week, your starting option will switch from your choice of 35 or 36 to your choice of 37 or 38.

Bugger, I'll be away all next week and was hoping it might be this week. :(

Yeah, I know about the recent or next volume option, I was just waiting for it to click over to SftSS as the next available option. :)

Since Racing to Ruin (38) won't be out until mid September, you have that long until Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv will disappear.

Oh I know I've got the time, I just wanted to get it done ASAP, before my wife sees that I put extra money on the Credit Card and decides to spend it. :)

flash_cxxi wrote:

Any idea when the option to select starting a Sub with "Souls for the Smuggler's Shiv" will occur?

You might already know that you can always start a sub with either the most recent volume on the next upcoming volume... but since volumes 36 and 37 are shipping simultaneously, 37 will never actually *be* the next upcoming volume, and 36 will never be the most recent volume.

So the answer is that, as soon as we put 36 and 37 into inventory, which should be sometime next week, your starting option will switch from your choice of 35 or 36 to your choice of 37 or 38.

Will something similar be occurring with #48 and 49? Ideally, I'd like to subscribe to the first issue of the Jade Regent AP AND pick it up at GenCon. Is this feasible? I keep checking back to see if the switch has been made yet, but it doesn't look promising since we are only about two weeks out.

I sent an email to Customer Service yesterday asking the exact same question, Brian. I haven't gotten an answer yet.

Brian and Kiger,

There will be no opportunity to create an AP subscription that starts with Jade Regent #1 before Gen Con.

However, we will have the ability to create subscriptions at our booth at Gen con, so the way to start an AP subscription with Jade Regent #1 and pick it up at Gen Con is to create your subscription at Gen Con. Just grab your Jade Regent #1 and your Ultimate Combat from the shelf, bring it up, and let the cashier (which may very well be me) know that you want to start a subscription with the books. We'll get ya set up right there. :)

Thanks,
cos

Brian and Kiger,

There will be no opportunity to create an AP subscription that starts with Jade Regent #1 before Gen Con.

However, we will have the ability to create subscriptions at our booth at Gen con, so the way to start an AP subscription with Jade Regent #1 and pick it up at Gen Con is to create your subscription at Gen Con. Just grab your Jade Regent #1 and your Ultimate Combat from the shelf, bring it up, and let the cashier (which may very well be me) know that you want to start a subscription with the books. We'll get ya set up right there. :)

Thanks,
cos

Thanks for the reply!! I have a follow-up (somewhat self-serving) question, if I set up the subscription there, will I be able to get the "Pathfinder Advantage" discount on stuff I get from paizo at gencon?

Thanks for the reply!! I have a follow-up (somewhat self-serving) question, if I set up the subscription there, will I be able to get the "Pathfinder Advantage" discount on stuff I get from paizo at gencon?

D'oh! Fie on me for having forgotten to address that! I totally meant to include a note on that.

The answer is: Yes, of course you will get your Pathfinder Advantage discount. You will also get the subscription discount (30% off cover price) on the Jade Regent book itself.

Thanks,
cos

Thanks for the quick and through reply, Cosmo! I'll look forward to getting it at the con and meeting you at the register.

Will these adventure paths allow characters to advance fully within the scenarios or is extra content needed to level?

TY
Blood~

Nothing extra is needed. You can add in bits if you want but it's not necessary. Just keep a good eye on your player's xp totals and you will be fine.

TY for the reply. Know of any of these games running online with d20pro or the like?

Blood~

Nothing extra is needed. You can add in bits if you want but it's not necessary. Just keep a good eye on your player's xp totals and you will be fine.

Um, dunno if this goes here at all :-P

Less than a year ago i bought "The Shackled City" adventure path all in one book. All of the dungeon magazine modules plus some extras. Cauldron big city map, a new module, background, some npc quick list and a collection of dungeon maps in a really usefull thin little magazine.

¿Is there some other Adventure Path books like this one? ¿Will there be in the future? It was a great buy. I like the idea of some Adv Path book compendium with maps, etc. Kingmaker looks pretty cool if i can choice ;-)

thx.

Um, dunno if this goes here at all :-P

Less than a year ago i bought "The Shackled City" adventure path all in one book. All of the dungeon magazine modules plus some extras. Cauldron big city map, a new module, background, some npc quick list and a collection of dungeon maps in a really usefull thin little magazine.

¿Is there some other Adventure Path books like this one? ¿Will there be in the future? It was a great buy. I like the idea of some Adv Path book compendium with maps, etc. Kingmaker looks pretty cool if i can choice ;-)

thx.

Pedro, we don't have any plans to compile our Adventure Paths into collected volume like Shackled City, with the exception of the Anniversary Edition of Rise of the Runelords.

Thanks for the quick answer Liz !!

Is anything in the subscription Pathfinder Society-sanctioned?

This is all my group is into, so if not, I'm inclined to not consider the purchase unless something changes down the track.

Is anything in the subscription Pathfinder Society-sanctioned?

This is all my group is into, so if not, I'm inclined to not consider the purchase unless something changes down the track.

Very little - the majority of the book is an adventure which is unlikely to have any player content in it. Same for the fiction & Bestiaries,

this page lists all items that are authorised for PFS. As you can see, there is relatively little from the entire AP line that is sanctioned. I also expect the volume not to change significantly in the future, so it looks like it's not really the thing for your group.

When will I be able to select the first issue of the next AP when starting my subscription? I figured it would tick over when the month switched, but I didn't see it available. :(

When will I be able to select the first issue of the next AP when starting my subscription? I figured it would tick over when the month switched, but I didn't see it available. :(

The switch only occurs when there's new product shipping, not at the month mark (which is where we'd all like it to be).

Trackin...when is the current installment expected to ship? I guess it doesn't really matter since I'll have to wait until next month anyways, but I'm curious...sue me :P

The Product Schedule is where you can stay up to date on our release schedule, and it looks like you'll be able to start your Skull & Shackles subscription later this month.

Cool, thanks!

I would like to cancel at this time.

I would like to cancel at this time.

Then, you need to make a thread in the Customer Service forum or send an e-mail to customer.service@paizo.com. The product discussion threads are not closely monitored by customer service. But I'll flag your post to see if it can get someone's attention.

I would like to cancel at this time.

I have cancelled your Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription at this time. As Joana noted the best place to make these requests is under the Customer Service section of our messageboards. Thanks for throwing a flag up for me Joana.

The link in the adventure path Council of Thieves for
The Bastards of Erebus(1 of 6): takes you to the home page instead of the appropriate page.

Thanks.