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Hero Lab (Win/Mac CD-ROM)

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For years, RPG players have settled for software tools that simply fall short of what they need. Hero Lab has finally arrived, providing an easy-to-use, intuitive interface atop a versatile engine complete with all the core functionality players have clamored for.

Create characters, experiment with all the choices available under the selected rules, and orchestrate your character's evolution. Hero Lab reduces bookkeeping to just a few clicks of the mouse. It automatically tracks changes and modifiers for every stat, ability, item, spell, and option. At the same time, the automated validation rules confirm that all prerequisites, minimums, and other rules requirements are valid. With the ability to support virtually any game system and genre, Hero Lab is a revolutionary addition to any RPG player's library!

    System Requirements:
  • PC running Windows 8.1, 8, 7, Vista, or XP (with Service Pack 3) or Intel Mac running OS X 10.5-10.9 (Leopard to Mavericks). Note that Hero Lab will NOT run on Windows RT devices like the Surface RT and Surface 2
  • 500MHz Pentium III processor or better
  • 128MB RAM memory (256MB recommended)
  • 16-bit color video with minimum 800x600 display resolution
  • 250MB free hard disk space (plus additional space for data files)
  • Mouse or other pointing device
  • Internet access (for licensing and to obtain data files)
Note: The media included with this purchase may be Windows-only, but the activation code from this package may be used with latest version of the software for Windows *or* Mac OS, both of which may be downloaded from the publisher's site here. (The free Hero Lab version for the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box can also be found on the same download page.)

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Joana wrote:

The late introduction of the discounted Bestiary bundle is the reason I haven't purchased Bestiary 3 and don't intend to, despite owning all the other Pathfinder data sets. Paizo knows that their best customers are those who buy products when they are first released and keeps them satisfied by making sure their ongoing subscriptions are the best deal available. I see no reason why Lone Wolf can't honor the discount retroactively for people who have held Bestiary 1 & 2 data sets since before the introduction of the Bestiary bundle.

(I'm not saying I'm a disgruntled former customer; I'm still buying every other Pathfinder data set out there. The Bestiary bundle thing just sticks in my craw and makes me dig in my heels stubbornly.)

I understand this perspective but disagree. Unlike those who recently purchased the bundle, *I* have had the full use of the bestiaries for many, many months that they didn't.

It's a fair trade off to me.

Lantern Lodge Dedicated Voter 2013

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enrious wrote:
Joana wrote:

The late introduction of the discounted Bestiary bundle is the reason I haven't purchased Bestiary 3 and don't intend to, despite owning all the other Pathfinder data sets. Paizo knows that their best customers are those who buy products when they are first released and keeps them satisfied by making sure their ongoing subscriptions are the best deal available. I see no reason why Lone Wolf can't honor the discount retroactively for people who have held Bestiary 1 & 2 data sets since before the introduction of the Bestiary bundle.

(I'm not saying I'm a disgruntled former customer; I'm still buying every other Pathfinder data set out there. The Bestiary bundle thing just sticks in my craw and makes me dig in my heels stubbornly.)

I understand this perspective but disagree. Unlike those who recently purchased the bundle, *I* have had the full use of the bestiaries for many, many months that they didn't.

It's a fair trade off to me.

I agree and not only that, but I also feel I've had an advantage over new purchasers in that I've been able to space out my HeroLab purchases over years instead of going all-in at once. Sure, you can space it out yourself and I would recommend that to new users, but I had the "advantage" of purchasing the bestiaries one at a time as they were released (and the same with other material). I understand why some people are upset. I just have a different perspective.

I'd also point out that people can now buy Rise of the Runelords from Paizo much cheaper than I was originally able to purchase the AP and in a vastly improved format. That doesn't bother me either.

Silver Crusade

Brian E. Harris wrote:

If they don't discount, they don't discount, but, traditionally, early adopters end up paying more for things than late adopters.

It's a fact of life. At some point, new sales plateau, and things are done to encourage more sales.

Established customers aren't being "wronged" by new customers getting a discount on a large bundle to entice them to become a customer.

It's a (proposed) bulk-purchase discount - i.e. buy EVERYTHING we've made for SPECIFIC_GAME and get a nominal discount.

Heck, for the Bestiary bundle, we're talking what, $5? Are people really getting upset about that?

How much would it cost to buy all of the Pathfinder sets right now? $150 tops? Would people really be that bent out of shape if they had paid $150 for everything individually, and sometime down the road, someone only has to pay $135?

Exactly. Early adopters always pay more. And as I said, someone who would be truly upset or feel wronged is someone who is feeling entitled.

Grand Lodge

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Winter_Born wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:

If they don't discount, they don't discount, but, traditionally, early adopters end up paying more for things than late adopters.

It's a fact of life. At some point, new sales plateau, and things are done to encourage more sales.

Established customers aren't being "wronged" by new customers getting a discount on a large bundle to entice them to become a customer.

It's a (proposed) bulk-purchase discount - i.e. buy EVERYTHING we've made for SPECIFIC_GAME and get a nominal discount.

Heck, for the Bestiary bundle, we're talking what, $5? Are people really getting upset about that?

How much would it cost to buy all of the Pathfinder sets right now? $150 tops? Would people really be that bent out of shape if they had paid $150 for everything individually, and sometime down the road, someone only has to pay $135?

Exactly. Early adopters always pay more. And as I said, someone who would be truly upset or feel wronged is someone who is feeling entitled.

As are you just by that simple statement.

Just because you are not upset that the costs might be discounted does not mean others should not be and that they are "entitled" if they do is ludicrous.
That is SO sad just... sad! Thanks!


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Deanoth wrote:

Just because you are not upset that the costs might be discounted does not mean others should not be and that they are "entitled" if they do is ludicrous.

That is SO sad just... sad! Thanks!

But, it really IS a sense of entitlement that since you payed more for something early on, it should either not be discounted for new customers, or that if it is, you should receive some kind of refund or credit on your original purchase.

It's a ridiculous notion, and it's one that no seller should be catering to.

They're free to price however they choose, and if they choose not to discount, that's fine, but they shouldn't feel beholden to early adopters to never adjust pricing.

If Lone Wolf decides to raise the price of their wares, would it be reasonable for them to expect all of the early adopters to pay more for items they already purchased?

Grand Lodge

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Brian,

have you read any of my previous postings??

You might also want to do a search on Lone Wolfs forums for the answer to this via Lone wolf Rob and Mathias. They both have commented.

So please drop it already. BTW opinions do not a sense of entitlement make and by labeling it as such does not make it so!


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I'm not actively endorsing Lone Wolf discounting anything, I'm simply commenting on the discussion at hand. As I've said multiple times, their pricing is their choice.

I really don't care if they're going to discount or not, but opposition to discounting of a product because you payed more than the proposed discount is born of a sense of entitlement - i.e. "I payed more, why should they not have to pay the same."

It's a textbook example, and it's a poor attitude to have.

And you know what? It's kinda asinine for you to posit your opinion, get bent because people posit their differing opinion, and then order them to shut up because you don't like what they're saying.

Please stop.

Silver Crusade

Brian E. Harris wrote:
Deanoth wrote:

Just because you are not upset that the costs might be discounted does not mean others should not be and that they are "entitled" if they do is ludicrous.

That is SO sad just... sad! Thanks!

But, it really IS a sense of entitlement that since you payed more for something early on, it should either not be discounted for new customers, or that if it is, you should receive some kind of refund or credit on your original purchase.

It's a ridiculous notion, and it's one that no seller should be catering to.

They're free to price however they choose, and if they choose not to discount, that's fine, but they shouldn't feel beholden to early adopters to never adjust pricing.

If Lone Wolf decides to raise the price of their wares, would it be reasonable for them to expect all of the early adopters to pay more for items they already purchased?

Point set match. But don't think anyone who is feeling especially entitled will cop to it. Anyone who thinks they are supposed to get some sort of compensation from a price drop is obviously not working in Logicaland.

"I'm entitled to compensation is there is a price drop" is textbook definition. What you are entitled to is exactly what you bought at the time of your price to value purchase decision.

Grand Lodge

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Winter_Born wrote:
Brian E. Harris wrote:
Deanoth wrote:

Just because you are not upset that the costs might be discounted does not mean others should not be and that they are "entitled" if they do is ludicrous.

That is SO sad just... sad! Thanks!

But, it really IS a sense of entitlement that since you payed more for something early on, it should either not be discounted for new customers, or that if it is, you should receive some kind of refund or credit on your original purchase.

It's a ridiculous notion, and it's one that no seller should be catering to.

They're free to price however they choose, and if they choose not to discount, that's fine, but they shouldn't feel beholden to early adopters to never adjust pricing.

If Lone Wolf decides to raise the price of their wares, would it be reasonable for them to expect all of the early adopters to pay more for items they already purchased?

Point set match. But don't think anyone who is feeling especially entitled will cop to it. Anyone who thinks they are supposed to get some sort of compensation from a price drop is obviously not working in Logicaland.

"I'm entitled to compensation is there is a price drop" is textbook definition. What you are entitled to is exactly what you bought at the time of your price to value purchase decision.

Winter Born,

Point set and not nearly matched. The same can be said about being entitled with the comments you have both made. If and I do mean IF you had read one of my comments up thread either this page or the one before you would see I am NOT upset, not even close and have come up with an analogy for the reasons behind my thoughts.

All this aside, as I have also SAID as well as Lone Wolf in various postings both here on Paizo forums and in their own, they have no desire to do what you are asking at this time because they do NOT want to upset anyone right now either imaginary (logicaland) or in a reality check. They are trying to do what they can to appease anyone that they can and not upset anyone. Right now they choose NOT to for more then one reason as they have said. If you want to know exactly what that is.. you might and I do mean might want to read this entire thread and if you can't find it here then go to the forums at lonewolf.

Meanwhile if you want my actual opinion and opinion is what it is and not one based in logicaland as you so illogically stated, then actually read some more postings then the one quoted above.. until then might want to look up what opinion is as it has NOTHING to do with logic.

Silver Crusade

Ok you've just stated that opinions have nothing to do with logic.

We're done here as I don't argue on the Internet with people who believe such things. What a waste.

Grand Lodge

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Winter_Born wrote:

Ok you've just stated that opinions have nothing to do with logic.

We're done here as I don't argue on the Internet with people who believe such things. What a waste.

Winter Born. I was actually referring to MY opinion, sorry it did not come across that way.. but opinion is as defined by the dictionary:

Opinion: 1. A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. 2. The beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.

Opinion is NOT based on logic. Logic is as defined by the dictionary:

Logic: 1. Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity: "experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic" 2. A particular system or codification of the principles of proof and inference: "Aristotelian logic"

Logic is usually backed up by fact and not belief as Opinion is! :)

I guess it was a waste of my time to actually do the research and find out what it was because it was a silly argument to actually think that opinion is based on logic and not belief. (sarcasm off)

What a waste... dang, truly.


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OK, let me step in here for a moment and share a few thoughts....

[Disclaimer: I've been going non-stop here at PaizoCon all weekend and I'm sitting in the hotel lobby at 1am, just about to stumble upstairs and go to bed. So the following is my gut reaction to discovering this recent discussion just now.]

The question of logic vs. opinion really doesn't matter much when it comes to products and sales. It all boils down to *perception*. And the reality of perception, at least as far as I personally see it, is that some portion of our existing user base will perceive that we are being unfair to them if we discount our products for new customers. It doesn't matter in the slightest whether that perception is based on logic, opinion, zodiac sign, phase of the moon, or if they had their Wheaties for breakfast. That perception is real to the customer, so that makes it real for us as a company.

Arguing about whether someone is right or wrong for how they perceive the world is flirting with insanity in my experience. Each of us has our own perceptions of everything, and no two will be exactly alike. If someone perceives that the sky is plaid, I have to accept that as true for that person. Trying to convince them otherwise is futile, and I might as well just bang my head against a wall.

Bottom line: It's not a matter of right or wrong. It simply is.

So we, as a company, have to factor that into whatever we decide to do. We won't be held prisoner by someone's perceptions, but we do need to be cognizant of the full spectrum of different perceptions that our customers may have. And then we need to decide how we want to proceed. That decision could conceivably include knowingly making some folks angry - or choosing to do something else. Heck, at a fundamental level, that's the reality of *every* decision that is made by every company on the planet. :)

At this point, the technical limitations of our current sales solution renders the entire topic moot. In another thread here on the Paizo forums (not the Lone Wolf forums that was indicated above), I outlined a number of the different factors that we'll need to weigh at the point that those technical limitations go away. I can't remember the thread name off-hand, and I need to go get some sleep, but it was within the past couple months (I think just a few weeks), so anyone truly interested ought to be able to find those posts relatively easily.

If anyone has questions about what our plans are, we'll be as open as possible about what we're doing and what led us to the choices we make. However, it doesn't serve any of us to castigate each other for our differing views. I consider that to be tantamount to a debate of religious beliefs, and religion is a topic I know we can all agree is poorly suited to these forums. :)

For anyone who wants to know the exact details that I outlined in another thread about the discount issue, please go look at those posts - they were all in the same thread. And if you have questions about our products or business choices, feel free to ask them here or on our forums.

Please note that we'll be spending all Monday flying home. So we won't be able to check this thread again until Tuesday. If everyone can please be respectful of each other in the meantime and focus on whatever questions you have for us, we'll check back on Tuesday and do our best to get you the answers you seek. :)

Thanks for listening,
Rob

Liberty's Edge

I think I found the post you're referring to here:

Quote:

One obvious alternative would be to let everyone purchase each item individually, but that's not possible due to technical limitations of our licensing system. Due to the licensing technology we use in the product, we have a hard limit on the total number of packages that can be managed. There's plenty of growth space right now, but we'd be running very tight if the number of packages quintupled overnight, and then we'd have problems adding all the new content from Paizo next year.

Letting everyone pick and choose individual books would also be daunting for many users, which would become a negative from a user-experience perspective. Prices for individual books would be wide ranging, which complicates things for some users, not to mention the ever-growing volume of purchase options to wade through. There would also likely be a much higher frequency of mistakes during purchasing, which means fewer happy customers and more cost for us to fix those mistakes. It's a net loss across the board, so it would be an unwise approach even if there wasn't a technical limitation.

There are two major bonuses in releasing content in the same order Paizo creates it. The first is safety from the uncertain future of Paizo's publishing plan, which Mathias outlined above. To use a contrived example, let's say we release a "Faiths" bundle with 3 books, then what do we do if Paizo decides to release a fourth book in the future? If the first books sell well, Paizo will want to give players what they want and add a new book to the line. But how do we handle it for people who've already bought the previous three books? Does it become a single book they need to add? If so, we're soon back to the individual purchase model above.

The second big advantage is that it allows us to release small books immediately as part of incomplete packages. We know the next few books in the pipeline from Paizo and can create a new add-on that only has a couple books in it initially. Once the next books are released by Paizo, we can add those books, so users only wait a month or two for the add-on to be "complete". If we themed everything, there would be incomplete packages for a long time, which would have users thinking they weren't getting everything they paid for (read: gypped).

Lastly, before someone suggests it, it doesn't make sense to group existing books by theme now and add new books in the order they're released. If we did that, new users a year from now would be wholly confused. They would see all this themed content and then a mishmash of non-themed content (the new stuff). That wouldn't make any sense, and the problem would only get worse over time. If we later re-grouped the new content to make things less confusing for new users, this approach would also ultimately require that content be managed individually by our licensing mechanism, since books would be moving between packages over time. And that's not an option for us on a technical level.

Whew! That was vastly longer than I had intended, but it should hopefully give you a pretty thorough understanding of everything we have to think through on this end. :) We'd love to let users buy material in a variety of ways so they can pick the one that makes most sense to them. However, there are lots of factors involved, including the handling of new users, future implications of how a method evolves over time, and technical limitations that must be lived with. It's a juggling act, and the net result is that we can't always have things be ideal for everyone. So we do our best with the variables we have to work with. :)


freeAgent wrote:
I think I found the post you're referring to here

That post outlines some of the non-obvious complications surrounding the bundling of content, so it's quite applicable here. However, the specific post I was harkening back to is 10 posts earlier in that thread, where I state that (paraphrased) we'll need to confront the issue of some users viewing a newly introduced discount as unfair if we don't give them something retroactively. I also state in that post that we haven't tried to solve the issue yet, since the technical limitation currently renders it moot.

Hope this helps...

Grand Lodge

lastblacknight wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Loving Herolab, but I have a question, I have purchased the Ultimate magic license have renewed it, and can see several different archetypes for sorcerers but not the sage sorcerer. Has it not been included??? or am I missing something?

Select Sorcerer as a class

Select the Wildbooded Archetype on the Classes Panel

Go to the Sorcerer Panel and select Sage from the Mutated Bloodlines.

I have been using it for a while.

Still a bummer that it doesn't do Gestalt or a progression report. Mind you the Spell lists are now pretty good. It gets better with every new release.

Hi.

Seeing you helped someone find something in HeroLab, I need to find the traits from Ultimate Campaign. I've just bought the product and add-ones including the Ultimate campaign but when I'm creating the character, they don't appear. Actually I have very few traits available.


Pathfinder Modules Subscriber

Do you have Ultimate Campaign enabled in "Configure My Hero"? (Ctrl-K)

Asmo

Grand Lodge

Yes, together with ultimate magic and all the rest.
I've tried various options: with and without PFS.

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