Iggwilv (D&D's ultimate diva)

Sigh. I'll say spoilers, although most of this board is spoilers.

Looking through Iggwilv's goodies, I see she's got 4 rings, 2 of which don't use an item slot. Why? Looking through her feats, I don't see an Extra Ring feat. She doesn't have a Hand of Glory, either.

Is this just more Iggwilv goodness, to add to the mystery that surrounds her?

Looking through Iggwilv's goodies, I see she's got 4 rings, 2 of which don't use an item slot. Why? Looking through her feats, I don't see an Extra Ring feat. She doesn't have a Hand of Glory, either.

Is this just more Iggwilv goodness, to add to the mystery that surrounds her?

You can create an item that doesn't use item slots by paying extra during creation.

Is she getting the benefits from all of them? Nothing wrong with wearing a ring on every finger as long as only two of them are active on the stats.

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

Great! I never knew that! Now I can get that second suit of full plate!

Kikai13, the AC bonus from the second suit of full plate wouldn't stack with that of the one you wear. (Although perhaps you're being sarcastic.)

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

Hmm, I did not know that... But I can't seem to find any reference to it in the 3.5 Dungeon Masters Guide... do you have a page reference?

James Jacobs wrote:

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

Hmm, I did not know that... But I can't seem to find any reference to it in the 3.5 Dungeon Masters Guide... do you have a page reference?

I do. Page 285, on the chart under "SPECIAL": No space limitation = multiply entire cost by 2.

I've done this a few times for NPCs in Dungeon; when I do, I indicate in their stat block in the Possessions entry which items don't use body slots. In Iggwilv's case, it's her ring of djinni calling and her ring of freedom of movement.

Kikai13, the AC bonus from the second suit of full plate wouldn't stack with that of the one you wear. (Although perhaps you're being sarcastic.)

Yeah, I was making a funny. Or at least trying.

Gurubabaramalamaswami wrote:

Looking through Iggwilv's goodies, I see she's got 4 rings, 2 of which don't use an item slot. Why? Looking through her feats, I don't see an Extra Ring feat. She doesn't have a Hand of Glory, either.

Is this just more Iggwilv goodness, to add to the mystery that surrounds her?

You can create an item that doesn't use item slots by paying extra during creation.

Evard did the same thing when he appeared in Dungeon, except he was wearing ten magic rings at the same time.

Wait... when was Evard in Dungeon?! Thats like a must have back issue for me!

Great! I never knew that! Now I can get that second suit of full plate!

Hello new item: Mithril Long Johns of Greater Fortification!

~ Bryon ~

Atrocious wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

Hmm, I did not know that... But I can't seem to find any reference to it in the 3.5 Dungeon Masters Guide... do you have a page reference?

I do. Page 285, on the chart under "SPECIAL": No space limitation = multiply entire cost by 2.

I've done this a few times for NPCs in Dungeon; when I do, I indicate in their stat block in the Possessions entry which items don't use body slots. In Iggwilv's case, it's her ring of djinni calling and her ring of freedom of movement.

What do you know, there it is. Thanks!

Onrie, Evard appeared in Dungeon 107 as a Critical Threat...

Is she wearing a Bodice +5 of Seduction?

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

Unless you have more than one head or an extra set of feet. :)

Now I want to make an Ettin NPC with a different combinations of hat/goggles/amulet on each head. :)

Or a Marilith with muliple sets of bracers...

Unless you have more than one head or an extra set of feet. :)

Now I want to make an Ettin NPC with a different combinations of hat/goggles/amulet on each head. :)

Or a Marilith with muliple sets of bracers...

The Ettin's a great idea. To quote Stephen Hawking, "Homer, your idea of a donut-shaped universe appeals to me...I may have to steal it."

The Marilith, however, would have to have a variety of bracers, other than just bracers of armor, as the armor bonuses wouldn't stack.

Now, what about Centaurs? (I've been capitalizing when I shouldn't, so why stop now?) How about two sets of "horse" shoes?

EDIT: I "heart" Iggwilv. She has "mess with me, and lose the game" written all over her. There. Now, I'm not a total threadjacker.

Is she getting the benefits from all of them? Nothing wrong with wearing a ring on every finger as long as only two of them are active on the stats.

Maybe two of them aren't necessarily on her fingers.... Oh, wait, that's Malcanthet.

kikai13 wrote:

Great! I never knew that! Now I can get that second suit of full plate!

Hello new item: Mithril Long Johns of Greater Fortification!

~ Bryon ~

You know, when I first read this I thought it said.

Mithril Long Johns of Greater Fornication.

the MUST have item for those multiclass Bard Fighters.

You forget the "Codpiece of Protection +5" as well, all high level Swashbucklers should have one!!!!!

This is a great rule that I also did not know until now. But it is one that many will fight already i have heard one of my PC's say well if you can do that why cant you just pay extra money for a feat.

Because you don't wear feats?

Because you don't wear feats?

But, youse can were sox on yoor feats...

ericthecleric wrote:

Kikai13, the AC bonus from the second suit of full plate wouldn't stack with that of the one you wear. (Although perhaps you're being sarcastic.)

Yeah, I was making a funny. Or at least trying.

Why not, you can't possibly tell me that a sword can cut through a second suite of armor just because it made it through the 1st.;)

I love that Iggwilv is pretty much a "normal" epic-level human, who can still hold her own against all the unique bigwigs with special one-off powers in the rest of the adventure.

That said, I have a question. I can't figure out where all of her AC is coming from. She's listed with AC 51 (touch 28), but all I see is:

10
+6 Dex
+5 natural (amulet)
+5 insight (powered-up ioun stone)
+5 deflection (ring)
+20 armor (epic mage armor)
= AC 51, touch 26

Where am I missing the other +2?

That said, I have a question. I can't figure out where all of her AC is coming from. She's listed with AC 51 (touch 28), but all I see is:

Where am I missing the other +2?

It's easy to miss the Staff of Power, which gives a +2 luck bonus to AC. That wily Iggwilv!

She really is one of the best made NPCs out there, with well-planned out equipment and abilities. Hopefully all our suggestions helped in her creation.

so who is going to pickpocket.. err slight-hand.. her naked first..? :D
After that sneakiness, they had better put her down, vengeance of a epic wizardess is no fun.

Actually, I'm more interested in the poor player who actually tries to seduce her- Alas, like Zulshyn in the AoW path, I'm quite sure that it'll be a lot easier to get into her bed than to get *out* alive...Though, come to think of it, the same could be said for almost any NPC in the late campaign path. Hah, assuming you keep failing your saves, Red Shroud needs only 5 rounds to remove half your levels. Malachent needs about 2. Shami-Amourae, thanks to her 'Lust' ability, can keep you...*ahem* 'grappled'...until you're nothing but a dry, dead husk- The only 'safe' person to be around is, in fact, Celeste.

Isn't she short an epic spell?

-- George Krashos

Isn't she short an epic spell?

-- George Krashos

No. She has three, in fact- Epic Mage Armor, one that I can't quite remember (It brings her back to life immediately if she's killed) and 'Lover's Call', a particularly nasty one which summons an aspect of Grazz't.

err.. if things haven't changed, that 3 ment 3 epic spells a day, not that you have 3. You can develop as many as you like.. or as few.

Personally i love the ability score enhancers for a week or so at a time.
Aided by spell levels, provided by simulcras. Like +50 on each ability score.. ;)
DR 50/epic and SR 100 and maybe some other nice things boosted too. ;)

No, what I meant was that she has a Knowledge (arcana) skill rank of around 47 IIRC - that means she gets to cast 4 epic spells per day, not 3. Or does the "resurrection" one count as 'already cast'?

-- George Krashos

Iggwilv certainly knows more epic spells beyond the ones she's listed with, just as she knows far more 1st through 9th level ones. The contingent resurrection does count as one epic spell cast/prepared at the same time, though.

In any case, she gets one epic spell slot per 10 ranks in the right skill (Knowledge [arcana] in this case). Since she's 30th level, the most ranks she can have in any skill is 33, and that happens to be how many ranks she has in Knowledge (arcana) I believe. So that means she can have 3 of them prepared at a time. The bonuses to the skill (from ability scores and synergy and all that) don't count toward that total.

I don't think you prepare them either.
You research them and thus know them like a sorcerer.. and you have your slots from where to cast them, should the need arise..

Great! I never knew that! Now I can get that second suit of full plate!

If I allowed this, I'd have PC's that looked like Homeless people wearing 6 cloaks, four helms and six suits of armor.

Steve Greer wrote:

Is she getting the benefits from all of them? Nothing wrong with wearing a ring on every finger as long as only two of them are active on the stats.

Maybe two of them aren't necessarily on her fingers.... Oh, wait, that's Malcanthet.

Yes, but imagin the diplomacy check to get to see her rings... *EG*

Correct; pay 2x the price for any magic item and presto... it doesn't take up an item slot. For things like rings, this is a cool way for high-level NPCs who have millions of gold pieces to spend to get all decked out. For things like hats and boots, it's just silly.

I've been playing for nearly five years and I never knew that. I'm going to just use that and get ten rings, and when my fellow players notice and try to correct me, I'll correct them. Mwahahahaha!

Since she's 30th level, the most ranks she can have in any skill is 33, and that happens to be how many ranks she has in Knowledge (arcana) I believe. So that means she can have 3 of them prepared at a time. The bonuses to the skill (from ability scores and synergy and all that) don't count toward that total.

Ah, thanks for that clarification James - that makes sense now.

One last question on her stat block (and believe me, stat blocks are not my "thing" as my previous post indicated): is the Automatic Quicken Spell feat version in "Complete Arcane" the current one (i.e. that only spells from 0-1 level are quickened)? The SRD still has the version that says the spell levels quickened are 0-3 ...

-- George Krashos

One last question on her stat block (and believe me, stat blocks are not my "thing" as my previous post indicated): is the Automatic Quicken Spell feat version in "Complete Arcane" the current one (i.e. that only spells from 0-1 level are quickened)? The SRD still has the version that says the spell levels quickened are 0-3 ...

-- George Krashos

Whatever one you want, I suppose. The stats were built assuming the "Complete Arcane" version, so that only her 0 and 1st level spells are quickened.

Of course, she's got way more hit points than she should, so you can certainly go ahead and give her the SRD version of the feat and I'm sure no one would mind...

I like how Iggwilv looks on paper, but I am concerned that I'm going to need to use that stat block eventually, as she seems to be, ironically, the least diplomatic of any of the epic NPCs.

She is a bit difficult to access...

So, in the aforementioned case--at the end of the spoiler--are the PCs asking for a rear-kicking, or is there something Iggwilv can offer to sweeten the pot?

EDIT: hmm...but (with two "t's") got edited. Interesting.

heh, well.. its the dms job to present a case the way he thinks it will go thru.. if it serves the story to have it go thru... and the players job to decide wheter or not to :D

That said, i do remember some adventure (warriors task? -a module).. protect the dying king in tha chamber and seek the cure. And handed the defenceof the realm for a while.
What did they do?
Nailed the door shut top the kings chamber.. sent the troops away to guard the borders and looted the castle :D At 7th level or there about walking away with some 15 million in loot.. lol

I must say, Iggwilv's got attitude. I read her speech in the car today (I wasn't driving ;)), and it had me chuckling to myself. Though I doubt I'll ever get around to running this, as the DMs in our gaming group are taking it in turns to run sessions, I think I'm gonna have to include her in one of my homebrew adventures.

Really nice work guys. She's just ace, and a really well-planned character, in stat-block terms.

Iggwilv's certainly not a friendly lady. She's one of D&D's arch villains, so she should come across as someone with attitude and someone that your PCs should be happy to ally with if only to keep her from attacking them.
HOPEFULLY, by the time you reach this adventure, the PCs have already more or less gotten used to allegiances with evil creatures and NPCs, especially if you, as the DM, have had several such allegiances work out without having the bad guy betray the PCs. The encounters where the PCs ally with Harliss, the aboleths, Tyralandi (and maybe Kedward), some of the bosses of Divided's Ire, Red Shroud, Shami-Amourae, and Charon are all intended as "practice" runs, in a way, for "Enemies of my Enemy," to get the PCs into the "we can ally with these guys sometimes" kind of mindeset as much as they are for the DM to prove to his players that "I'm not gonna screw you over every time you ally with bad guys."

If, however, the PCs are still reticent about joining forces with Iggwilv, and if they attack her, you can certainly toy with them like a cat playing with a mouse. Iggwilv might fight them for a bit, perhaps even kill one of them, and then when the group's on the verge of a TPK, she'll offer terms; basically an "I'll not kill you if you do these things for me," because (as the last adventure in the Path details) she does want the PCs to succeed at their task, for her own nefarious reasons.

If the PCs are absolutely convinced that they shouldn't ally with her, they should just avoid her entirely. If they meet her and then decide that, they should retreat as soon as possible. The Savage Tide Adventure Path can certainly go on without Iggwilv, but the PCs may need to either make a lot of Knowledge (the planes) checks to determine who might want to help them (Dragon #358's Savage Tidings should help here) or consult other planar sages and pay money or whatever to get the same information.

In "Prince of Demons," they'll lose a strong ally, and will need to come up with their own way of staging the initial invasion of Gaping Maw with their armies (since Iggwilv's role in that battle is to open several large portals into Demogorgon's realm for the armies to march through). This might even involve a short side quest for the PCs to recover some sort of portal-making artifact or something like that.

I gotta admit, I don't really know all that much about Iggwilv; she's in one of those corners of the DnD multiverse I haven't fully delved into. Any suggestions on where to find more material about her, so as to make the right (i.e. terrifying) first impression?

To answer your question, sometimes I use 'dramatic flare' for such villians, just to prove a point. You could have one of her servants interrupt their conversation, at which time Iggwilv points a finger, a green hellish ray strikes them in the chest, and the PCs watch as the servant's body and soul are shredded into a million pieces, without so much as a blink from Iggwilv. Callous, cold, unfazed...

Back in the day we ran the adventure where we went after Iuz's vampiric sister. We won, but ran into Iggwilv at the end. My naive elf told her off, at which point the DM zapped him dead, enslaved his soul, and I still think his ghost is serving Iggwilv to this day. But that one act caused the entire party to run like hell, never look back, and taught us to NEVER tempt powerful bad guys/gals like that again!

I gotta admit, I don't really know all that much about Iggwilv; she's in one of those corners of the DnD multiverse I haven't fully delved into. Any suggestions on where to find more material about her, so as to make the right (i.e. terrifying) first impression?

Dragon #359 has some more information about her, as did Dragon #336, I believe. She also had some tidbits revealed in several older adventures, primarily "Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth" and "Return of the Eight." There's some more info about her in Dungeon #150. AND: A fair amount of information about her pops up in an upcoming WotC product, I hear...

You mean that one with her portrait appearing in the art gallery that was just released?

You mean that one with her portrait appearing in the art gallery that was just released?

That would be the one. She plays a pretty important role in said product.

KnightErrantJR wrote:

You mean that one with her portrait appearing in the art gallery that was just released?

That would be the one. She plays a pretty important role in said product.

I also noticed a certain former gladiator in the art gallery :)

AND: A fair amount of information about her pops up in an upcoming WotC product, I hear...

And looks like they jumped the gun a bit at wizards.. using that green makeup pic of her. Dungeon with artworks isn't theirs quite yet.. lol

James Jacobs wrote:

KnightErrantJR wrote:

You mean that one with her portrait appearing in the art gallery that was just released?

That would be the one. She plays a pretty important role in said product.

I also noticed a certain former gladiator in the art gallery :)

Him too.

Oh yeah came to think of something.... why make the rings slotless, if you can make a hand of glory slotless? ;)
Way more efficient..