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Certainly not good.


The Guide to Korvosa lists her classes, levels & alignment, I believe.


The Scarzni let non-Varisians into their gangs?


seto83 wrote:

Yeah we murder the framers, the party geusts, and dancing girls like i said atonements all around except my cn cleric of pharasma whom got a strict scoulding in his sleep by her handmadien.

Your GM is kind & generous. I hope you remembered him on March 4th.


seto83 wrote:

LOL I loved this encounter we went to town bought a scroll of cloud kill and rolled it trough all his outside guards and troughout the entire building oh good times an atonements for everyone.

So your party murdered a whole bunch of innocent bystanders? That bodes well for Minkai.


Why on earth would Korvosa accept Sabine as the new queen? Repentent or not, she was still Ileosa's right hand woman for most of her tyranical reign. Most people would probably consider her a criminal.


Chernobyl wrote:
The detail of the older map packs was not useful outside the AP. They were not bundling them with the AP subscription though, even though the information was incredibly AP-specific. They were bundling them with the campaign setting subscription. So it was an "extra" subscription purchase pushed out to people who may not have wanted/needed it. They STILL haven't properly bundled it with the AP sub., but at least the maps are more generically useful now.

That would appear to be the actual issue, I think.

I suspect the actual content of the map folios was less the issue.


Vic Wertz wrote:
wspatterson wrote:

Is there no proper map folio besides those 3 posters for this AP?

And if not, then why not?
If you're talking about the old-style map folios that just reprinted most of the maps from the AP, we stopped doing those after Council of Thieves, due largely to customer feedback. Starting with Kingmaker, we shifted to folios featuring new poster maps, and they've garnered a better reception.

Really? I clearly missed that survey. Having to flip through the adventure repeatedly to find maps is pretty annoying. I much prefer having the map right there, easily accessed.


Is there no proper map folio besides those 3 posters for this AP?
And if not, then why not?


This critter is the servant of the NPC's god, delivering said god's edict. If there is only one NPC left alive, there really isn't much for them to do except whine about it. So why a fight?
In my game, one of the NPCs died. When this encounter happened, the party just stepped back & told the surviving NPC that it was between her & her god, tough luck, see ya.


In my game the party helped out the harpy, killed all the low level minions, then the oni & ogre. At that point I had the harpy run off to plan her double cross.
While the party spent hours in the dungeon, the harpy gathered together the dire corby cleric, ogrekin ranger, quickling & the mobat to wait in ambush.
No, I don't think any of the trust the others, nor do they want to work together long-term. They're also not suicidal and unwilling to set aside differences temporarily to take out an obviously well-armed & very dangerous invading force.
Next session promises to start out with a bang.


You could borrow the 16th level wizard and 15th level sorcerer from my Rise of the Runelords campaign that took up more or less permanent residence in Sandpoint to act as defenders. With the wizard's small army of simulacrums and ice golems, that should make for a lively encounter.


In my games the players roll 2d6+6 for stats, assigning the resulting numbers as they see fit.


Why is the group in the kobold lair? Just because? Or because they're kidnapping and eating local children? If it's because of eating children, then yes, the paladin can kill a bunch of kobolds lazing about on sight.
I can think of a whole bunch of situations where it would be acceptable for a paladin to kill on sight.


shallowsoul wrote:
I just want to know if anyone else out there still plays a fighter. I do and I really enjoy playing him.

There is a plain vanilla fighter in my current game. He seems to be in a competition with the party barbarian to see who can dish out the most damage per round.


The group in my games started out with:
M elf magus
M dwarf cleric of Caiden Caylean
M half-orc druid
F half-elf monk

They were then joined in the second session by a half-orc barbarian.
The dwarf cleric's player left the game, a human fighter joined the game & the druid's player exchanged his character for a human cleric of Desna.


wattupnow wrote:
Once the Runelord is dealt with and the party is essentially done, I was going to bring in a high powered lamia cult, a group of Tatzlworms (D0: Hollow's last hope) led by a dragon, or even a Yuan-ti cult dedicated to either Lamashtu or one of her Marilith Leutenants (in keeping with the snake motif of the viperwall picture). Either way, the cults would be attacking, and in some cases destroying small fishing villiages along Ember Lake. I know this kind of feels like the whole "Nualia story" from burnt offerings, but it's what i've got started so far. Really, i've just got the map done, haven't even started describing the rooms yet, so the story could be left open for interpretation.

In one of the Pathfinder issues with the Serpent Skull AP, it said that Viperwall was created by the Serpent Men during their last incursion to the surface world. Below Varisia there is also a Serpent Man city where the ancient Serpent Men sleep in magical hibernation & their primitive descendants war for control of the city with driders & gugs.

Perhaps their time of awakening is upon your PCs.


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Broadsword. :)


I'm a poor student, so I'll go for the lot. ;)

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Btw, I bought Forgotten Foes, in both PDF & book form, and the product is great.


The paladin smite ability ignoring DR is a bit much. Pathfinder went a bit too far trying to make the ability better.


Matthew AC wrote:
Aeshuura - I was wondering that too. May be just enough justification to make him huecuva . . . because I think I really want him to be a huecuva. ;)

I like that idea. I wish I had thought of that.


Douglas Muir 406 wrote:


I was thinking "jerkass" myself, but the alternate explanation works too.

Just because you're good-aligned and a follower of Desna doesn't mean you don't have character flaws or make terrible, terrible mistakes.

Doug M.

Father Tobyn doesn't even remotely come across like a follower of Desna. He seems much more like a follower of Erasti.

Father Zanthus doesn't really seem like a Desna worshipper either; more like a more mild follower of Erastil. Both were priests of Erastil in the game I ran.


James Jacobs wrote:
wspatterson wrote:
I prefer her original version.
You must be a GM! ;-)

Well, yes. ;)

I will say that the wizard of the group came up with a very creative way to allow the party to run from her. He was clearly the star of that encounter.


I prefer her original version.


The witch seems a little underdressed for the weather.


TrickyOwlbear wrote:
Hey folks! You can now order a print copy and you'll get the pdf version bundled with it! Thanks for your patience while this product became reality.

So the print version is actually available right now? Paizo lists it as a preorder still.


If this is something that has been covered, my apologies. There are a lot of posts, and I admit I haven't been following this thread.
That said, the other day I heard that Wizkids had an exclusive deal with Alliance; as a result, the Paizo pre-painted minis will only be carried through Alliance. Is this true?
Apparently some stores don't like to get their stuff through Alliance. Don't really know why, but the store down the street is apparently one of them. The owner was complaining about it, feeling Paizo was allowing itself to be strong armed by Alliance. He then made a good point: Paizo has what is probably the #1 RPG in the country & should be strong arming Alliance.
If all of this is true, I kind of have to agree. Paizo seems to be the 800 lb gorilla in the room right now, which seems like a good place to be to get others to cooperate.
I'm not in the industry, I don't know what Alliance's deal is or why some stores don't want to deal with them, I'm just curious what the situation is.


I would base the character on Howard's Red Sonya of Rogatino. Make her a gunslinger.


Aazen wrote:
Doombunny wrote:

Man, they must have a Barry Allen checklist with any world-altering story.

They just can't leave that dude alone!

Kill his wife. Turn him into a murderer. Kick him out of the Justice League. Kill him/Turn him into a bolt of lightning. Bring him back two decades later. Put him in the Justice League. Put evils of universe solely on his shoulders. Reboot universe. Take away his wife.

I have a really great idea for what happens next.

We'll, they could have him turn into a bad guy, have him wipe out the Speed Force Corps, and then try to reboot the universe again, only to have his hipper younger successor stop him and then later have him become the host for the Spectre... But they did that already. People are still whining.

That guy only had a younger successor, not a hipper one.

Bad writing, thy name is Marz.


If I recall correctly, that is an experiment Rolth is working on in the adventure.


I suppose just about anything I write could possibly be a spoiler, so better safe than not.

Spoiler:

In my Runelords game, the group allowed Orik to negotiate for his life & freedom, and they let him go.
The Crimson Throne group caught Verik alive & turned him over to the Field Martial.
So, I'm trying to decide what, if anything, I should do with these characters in the rest of my Crimson Throne game. Would the Guard execute Verik for abandoning his post? The PCs never actually figured out what the Hammer Boys were up to, mainly because they didn't look. Does Orik really have any good role possibilities in this AP?
Saul isn't a factor. I actually tried running Second Darkness a while back, never finishing it due to the players feeling it jumped the shark with the third adventure after a strong start. One of the PCs did, however, kill Saul, so that will stand as a part of history in my game.


Sunderstone wrote:
Jason Ellis 350 wrote:
I will always have the opinion that if it doesn't have the Martian Manhunter, then it isn't the Justice League.
The book is redoing the origin of the JLA, Im sure MM will be along soon.

I believe Martian Manhunter will be in The Authority, a title I've never liked.


Charlie Brooks wrote:
VM mercenario wrote:
And poor Hank. Guy went crazy and hit her once and noone will never let go. Some mass muredering supervillains get more forgiveness than he does.
In the meanwhile, everybody conveniently forgets the time that Spider-Man backhanded his pregnant wife.

Let's not forget Emma Frost's first appearance & the whole murdering several underlings for failure thing.


Umbral Reaver wrote:
I had a look around, and it appears that the snake-tailed lamia is a mostly a modern invention. There are instances of old drawings of a lamia as a lion-like creature.

John Keats' 1819 poem Lamia is a modern invention?


While I still don't like the gnomes (their concept seems poorly thought out and executed), I'd forgotten about the Andoran uniforms. Those uniforms are probably the most terrible thing about Golarion. Really. It makes me think foreign substances were in use during that particular planning session.
What's this about elves not having their wierd alternative to sleep? I have Elves of Golarion. It says they have a wierd alternative to sleep. And they only need to do it 4 hours a night.


The gnome thing and the hobgoblin thing are both kind of irritating.
The thing that probably bugs me the most, though, is that there are just a few too many terrible things in this world. It's a little overdone.


Richard Leonhart wrote:

has the prone condition been revised so that you can shoot a firearm while prone? Till now it's "except for a crossbow", so not only would prone shooter be worthless to crossbows, it would also be impossible for firearms.

Would be awesome for a double hackbut, shooting while prone would give the real sniper feeling. Vital strike might even be worthwile there.

This is one of those times, assuming the wording of the rules for ranged attacks while prone hasn't changed, one should apply a little common sense. Guns can be fired while prone; people have been doing for a couple hundred years now. Don't be a slave to the rules, alter them when it makes sense.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Hmm another monster book. Anyone pick this up to know what kind of monsters and such are in it?

Malevolent dire squirrels!

Okay, probably not. I'm kind of curious what's in this product myself.


I recommend grabbing an arrow, going outside and giving it a try. Report back on how well it worked.


Jessica as the Grey Maiden.


Jiggy wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Sounds a lot like we're in "DM's Call" area.

What exactly is the GM call? Whether or not "dons the object" really means "dons the object"? It even gives the example of putting on a ring or wielding a sword, and explicitly states that they'll even drop other items they're carrying if need be.

No, we're not in "DM's call" area at all.

This isn't Warhammer 40K, folks. Pretty much everything in Pathfinder is the DM's call. You can whine about it all you want, and run it how you want at your own table, but anything is ultimately the DM's call when you're at his table.


One comment about gnomes and how Paizo has handled them: as I'm sure at least some of you remember, gnomes used to be essentially small dwarves. A little more nature oriented, perhaps, but they liked to dig in the dirt like their bigger brothers. The whole reptilian hatred thing is really specifically for kobolds, and not really lizardmen and trogs and the like. Why? Because kobolds like to dig in the same dirt and they don't play well with others.
So along comes Pathfinder, and a somewhat new take on gnomes. Less the miniature dwarves and more transplants from the faerie world. Unfortunately, at least in my view, Paizo did an incomplete job of this switch, and we have this somewhat clumsy mishmash of a faerie thing with vestiges of the dwarf still hanging on that don't always make sense. This may not be entirely germane to this conversation, but I think most of us can admit that the kobold is really what was in mind with the hatred thing. I could even see troglodytes being on the list, since they may like digging in the same dirt as the gnomes as well. Lizardmen? Pretty unlikely.
Regardless of his treatment of some npc lizards, your player sounds like a jerk who is trying to use "character traits" to justify his bullying the rest of the party. And the party has the power to quash this crap. If everyone is continuing the have a good time, great. But conflicts between PCs can easily become conflicts between players, and that isn't fun. And this guy pouts and cries because you make a judgement call that isn't in his favor, then perhaps he needs a time out for a while.


wspatterson wrote:

This wasn't playing a good anything. He was playing a severe personality disorder. Let's go with neutral evil.

If you want a good display of an otherwise good person with some racism going on, watch the Deep Space Nine episode where Worf finds the hidden colony of Romulans & Klingons. There was no brutalizing anyone, least of all his own companions.

Let me just add, there may be practical reasons for killing even surrendering trogs. If trogs are a scourge in the land, eating people's children, then it just might be practical to not leave any alive. A trog allowed to live today may be a dead farmer tomorrow. There is still no excuse for attacking another party member, however.


This wasn't playing a good anything. He was playing a severe personality disorder. Let's go with neutral evil.
If you want a good display of an otherwise good person with some racism going on, watch the Deep Space Nine episode where Worf finds the hidden colony of Romulans & Klingons. There was no brutalizing anyone, least of all his own companions.


I just got a good look at the ad for Justice League. Jim Lee's art was terrible. What's happened to the guy?
And DC has hired Liefeld for a book? Why would anyone hire that man for anything?


Ravingdork wrote:

One of my fellow players is soon to be playing a paladin, who wields a horse chopper as his primary weapon of all things.

At first I thought nothing of it (well, other than that it was odd for a paladin to be using a goblin weapon), but then I realized that it was a 1d10/x3 reach trip martial weapon (which was, apparently, newly statted in the Inner Sea Guide).

That seems imbalanced and nonsensical to me. I much preferred the version portrayed in the Adventurer's Armory, which stated that it was simply to be treated as a halberd. Seeing as it is meant for "chopping down charging horses" that made perfect sense to me.

In the new version, however, they dropped the brace property and replaced it with the reach property. That makes it FAR more powerful in my opinion and is cause enough to have made it into an exotic weapon. As written, it is better than the glaive in every meaningful way!

What do you think?

Why are you letting a paladin use a goblin weapon? Make him give you a good story or insist that it's a small sized weapon.


Kaer Maga might be interesting, but I'd like to see the rise of another Runelord.


Matthew Morris wrote:

CBR is now reporting that Johnathan and Martha Kent are dead and Clark has never been married to Lois in the "It's not a Reboot" DC universe.

Cutting out parts of the mythos they think they might lose in court?

But remember folks, it's not a reboot. *rolls eyes*

God forbid DC actually fork over some dough so they can use a proper Superman.


lalallaalal wrote:
In my weekly campaign we came across a clan of ogres. Exploring the house led to a scene from a horror film with skin couches, lamps, etc. These Ogres were a pretty sick bunch. Now, my dwarves are considering killing every single ogre we come across, no quarter. They are Lawful Neutral, would this affect their alignment?

What's bad for the ogre is good for the dwarf.

I'm going to guess that the suggestion was this specific tribe, not the entire race. Human skin couches = a dead tribe. Any dwarf worth his tankard will tell you that. Trying for the entire race is just impractical.

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