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magnuskn wrote:Loved some of new avengers stuff, will read more. Note that you stated this is *across* the major teams, still a very good chance these characters are in the background saving civilians while the forerunners get full page splashes as they punch villain du jour in the face.Freehold DM wrote:Yeah, well. New characters by definition need to establish themselves. In the current Avengers line-up (across all major teams), there are Roberto DaCosta (Sunspot), Nightmask, White Tiger (Ava Ayala), Sunfire (Shiro Yoshina), Shang Chi, Manifold (Eden Fesi), Luke Cage, Blue Marvel (Adam Brashear), Power Man (Victor Alvarez) and, oh, yeah, Sam Wilson, the current Captain America.magnuskn wrote:Freehold DM wrote:I can only say that's a schtick that is kept in x-comics, not something you see much outside of it. Which is the problem, really. Also, it's no longer the 70's, which is a bigger problem- the comics you remember are not the comics that are being read now, and marvel has noticably backslid. What worked as diversity in 1978 doesn't work in 2014.This is entirely devoid of fact checking. Marvel has most assuredly not "backslid" on their integration of ethnicities and gender orientated characters.
And when was the last time you saw any of the characters you mentioned hanging with Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Spidey and Wolverine in a book that wasn't being put out to make Marvel side cash but was actually paying the bills- mainstream Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man, Thor?
Not recently beyond a cameo, I'll bet.
Of course, that's not really backsliding. That's how it was back in the day too. In fact, those are the same big name characters you want them hanging out with now as they were back then.
You're also moving the goalposts. Those new characters may not be the mainline characters paying the bills, but neither are new male white characters. They definitely are, as you requested, hanging with those headline characters in the mainstream books.
It's a chicken or egg question. Has Marvel spent decades putting up minorities as niche characters and deliberately keeping them in those niches (or at least not pushing to make them breakthrough bills-paying characters), or have they kept trying and failing to make minority characters into those breakthroughs, but found it hard to do. Maybe even harder than turning a new white male hero into a breakthrough.
What are their recent successes at pushing anyone up into those leagues? Of the 5 you listed Wolverine was the most recent and he debuted in 1974.