They will only be paperweights if that's your choice. I have enough 1E material that I still haven't used to keep me going for a long time. And I can always go back to developing my own AP's, like we did in the old days.
So no need for me to move too 2E.
David knott 242 wrote:
OK, THAT's more what I was looking for :P
If your comfortable answering this....do they "have" to attack with their Ioun stones ? or can they still hurl other objects ?
David knott 242 wrote:
Hm.....well that sounds rather lackluster.....Can you give us any more ?
That's me and my group, and I already bought enough stuff to play for the next ten years and beyond. We just started in October 2017, and we are having a blast. I have been collecting material for almost five years little by little hoping it would eventually get put to good use. Now it is.
That's more or less what pulled me out of being very upset at the news.I'm old enough....I have enough unused material to probably get me through the rest of my gaming life ( have bought just about everything that's come out) :P
I originally had plans to still look at 2E, was trying to keep an open mind. But I've seen enough of the material to know I'm not interested in it.
Captain Zoom wrote:
Actually at the time I didn't :P
As soon as the term "universal" comes into play.....I loose all interest. Now keep in mind what I have seen so far is more than enough to make me loose interest....I started out willing to look at the playtest....but the spoilers that have been released so far, move to far from 1stE for me to be interested. I will probably buy splat books dealing with things that have not been covered in 1E (Arcadia and such) and convert it to 1stE....but beyond that I have lost all interest.
The Mad Comrade wrote:
I'm thinking/hoping we'll be doing a series of Strange New Lands to meet Exciting and Interesting People (before getting mowed down by them in a hail of machine gun fire) will be a thing for the first couple of years of the new edition.
Maybe....but I'm not moving to the new edition, so won't do me much good.
I suppose if they come out with Arcadia info...I could buy it and convert to 1E.
I say it again. A reboot is not inevitable.
I hate to break it to you, as I share your opinion that "Pathfinder is so critically linked to 3.5 that a reboot would be antithetical to the basic premise of Pathfinder."
However the truth is, it is inevitable.
The reason Pathfinder was based on/critically linked to 3.5, is that it was created as an effort to preserve and develop 3.5....which had many devoted followers (myself among them).
That worked for them for ten + years......however, they have now set their sites elsewhere.
All the wining and complaining in the world is not going to change the fact that they are looking to capture a different target audience than the old 3.5 fans.
Our time is done evidently ;)
I'm not good at evaluating class mechanics. What's wrong with the Shifter? (Please keep it civil).
In it's current incarnation, it doesn't come even close to what people were expecting (a better shape shifter than the Druid).
Additionally, some of the most flavorful/desirable Archetypes....are more or less unplayable (unless your a masochist)
Fixes are actually simple and rather obvious....but given the current focus, I don't imagine they will be taking the time to address them.
House-ruled versions are the best option at this point.
Ched Greyfell wrote:
Naw....I'm likely not moving to 2E....so I'll take what I can get for 1E ;)
I actually like the idea of them being down a couple of members....creates a vacuum that "up and coming" Runelords could step into :P
It's rather frustrating that it would take very little to make the Oozemorph playable...yet they apparently don't want to make it playable.
The fixes are simple....
Allow it to merge equipment.
And I see no reason Psychic spell shouldn't work in Ooze form.
You then have a class/archetype that is worth playing.
W E Ray wrote:
Yes, that's exactly what I want.Maybe not much need for a lot more classes....
But there is still plenty of material to cover, and now it appears it won't be.
James Jacobs wrote:
.....that's disappointing :(
James Jacobs wrote:
Is WR doing the art for these ?
In honesty, I would prefer the game rules for torture were "It doesn't work, the subject will just say whatever they think you want them to say". Since that seems the most realistic model for it.
But still a viable tool to make your point :P Which is why it has such a strong historical usage :P
Thanks for the bread crumbs :P
Now to see if I can stomach following them ;)
Filthy Lucre wrote:
That's pretty confidant of you....
I have not seen 2E yet, so I'm not willing to write it off yet....willing to give it a go, even though I'm not liking what I'm hearing so far....
I'm probably a little more cautious than you :P
People like to paint this as "Family" or "Community".....the reality is for them it's a business.....and if they think their business is best served by ignoring the desires of a cross section of the community....to gain the following of a larger cross section of the community....that's exactly what they will do.
Stop wasting your time whining and appealing to community ;)
I think I mentioned it before, but HC editions of 3.5 APs and PF APs might not be completely off the table if Paizo sees that there's still a market and money to be made, but I dont think chance are high, to be honest
Honestly, based on past experience....I don't see that happening.when a company decides to go in a direction....it goes in that direction.
They don't do this "off the cuff" or without months of forethought....and I'm sure Paizo gave this due consideration.
They made the decision they did because they felt like the community members they would loose....were smaller than the community members they would gain.
That's just business.....it's the exact same decision WofC made when they did the 4E thing.
At least Paizo hasn't pulled the shenanigans WoTC did with allied contributors.....so respect there....
But when all is said and done, I'm likely not interested in moving to 2E, and they are not likely to be interested in supporting 1E.....so relationship over ;)
Paizo doesn't "Owe" us anything.That's not what anyone is saying.....(errr....ok it's what only a few are saying).....if Paizo want's to keep getting my money after the switch to 2E.....they are going to however need to come up with something I'm actually willing to spend my money on (which is not likely 2E products).
For the last ten years, buying the base lines and AP's has been automatic for me....
I have only begun to question that the last few releases (UW, etc...)
Now with this announcement (2E) I may actually be able to cut back my spending with Paizo considerably....as I thus far see nothing that makes me want to switch from 1st Edition.
So if Paizo wants to keep getting my money...they are going to need to come up with something outside of 2E to do so ;)
Charabdos, The Tidal King wrote:
I haven't look into Starfinder that much....what I did see turned me off, and I'm really not the least bit interested with the setting.
Creating and defining background is actually one of the most enjoyable aspects of RP to me.
In general, most of the ......"shortcuts" (for lack of a better term) to character creation, are one of the biggest turn off's to me in other systems.
So far, I'm seeing little that would make me interested in 2E.
I'll look at the playtest when it comes out, and if I see anything I like I'll incorporate it into my 1E games....evidently some of the stuff was in unchained....but as we have used very little from unchained.....I'm not holding my breath that I will be overly interested in 2nd E. If the modules for 2nd E are easily backwards compatible.....I may continue to buy them....if not we have a fair amount of material to continue foreword for a good amount of time.
It will be interesting to see how this play's out....
CHESS MATCH !!!!
Well, after the initial shock, I realized that I really do have enough 1e material to last me a lifetime, so I can happily keep playing it forever if need be. So once I got secure in that idea, it's easier to take tentative nibbles that maybe I could make use of *some* parts of 2e (like the APs).
I'm in the same boat, I have bought with few exceptions all the main books and AP's....so we have enough material to work with for many years.
Still, It would be nice of the 2E AP's coming out are easily usable in 1E play.
Shadow Kosh wrote:
Nicely made point ;)And exactly what I will do :P
Steve Geddes wrote:
Until the playtest is released....we are just guessing at how extreme the differences will be, and if they are acceptable to each of our individual tables. I know I am not interested in any major changes. I like the system as is (and no that's not open to debate so don't bother).
That said I'm not anxious for the changes....but will look at them when they appear.....and proceed accordingly.....
Ryan Freire wrote:
Again, nothing they've listed makes it seem like it will play or feel THAT different from 3.x
Not sure I can agree there....as everything that's been said so far is verbatim what WoTC said at 4E....
So ya....I'm skeptical.
If all of my existing books are usable with little to no adjustment I will gladly adapt to PF2.....if not......I'm not interested.