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RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32. RPG Superstar 6 Season Star Voter, 8 Season Star Voter. 2,126 posts (4,035 including aliases). No reviews. No lists. No wishlists. 12 aliases.


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RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Game Master the Dragon wrote:
Another way to get flurries with unorthodox weapons in gestalt is Sohei Monk 6//Fighter 6

Sohei 6//fighter [weaponmaster] 3|gunslinger 3 also gets gun-flurry but is only 2 levels away from also having gun training (which is a nice damage boost). Or, if you want a cowboy, after 3 levels of weaponmaster go straight cavalier... Boon companion or horsemaster will get you a full progression mount (augmented by the sohei mount abilities) and challenge will give you the needed damage boost.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

oyzar wrote:
So about 4763ish then. Way too long since the revolution. Thanks :)

Not necessarily... It's less common now but it wasn't that long ago that men who were able would remarry younger women if/when they became widowers. It was relatively common for those men to have children in their 60s or 70s. Add to that the possibility that your father could have been a half elf of aasimar (whose unusual characteristics you may not have inherited) and that could be a completely reasonable time frame.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I forgot we were supposed to post an intended mythic path... There are several that could work for Fell, and I'd probably at least partially base the choice on what the rest of the party was picking... Champion or guardian would be most natural but (without actually checking to make sure) I think trickster or maybe even marshal could work too.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

One of his earlier posts seemed to indicate we could, yeah. However, he specifically said it was because he likes each aasimar to be unique so if you choose the same thing as me you're guaranteeing that if one of us is picked the other one won't be... my options were limited by the whole seems-human thing... None of the SLAs or Su abilities would fit with that...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

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DM_Blake wrote:
Rhedyn wrote:
It's the gm that needs to let them pout instead of pulling his punches.

This. Right here.

Don't coddle the bad/weak/limited playstyle, but rather, lead by example and throw the PC into situations he cannot handle while having other PCs or even NPCs be more successful - the player will learn to fix his flaws and have more than one trick.

oh how i wish this were true...

I ran a campaign in which I specifically told the players I was going to play encounters the way the enemies would actually act, including making use of terrain and trying to exploit weaknesses that they were capable of observing. I even went to far as to tell them that one of my hopes was that it would get them to start thinking more strategically and become better players. It did not. Almost every session included at least one player having a fit and/or pouting, often accompanied by complaints about unfair advantages (while they pigheadedly insisted on approaching every encounter the exact same way).

Eventually I gave up and let someone else start running a new campaign better suited for this party. Pretty much every game we run now lasts about 6 levels (usually 1-6 or 7), not because we like E6, just because that's how long it takes for the players to get tired of their characters.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

TarkXT wrote:
nate lange wrote:

i'm having trouble thinking of a single class that only has 1-2 workable builds... especially with the glut of options that have come out recently...

Gunslinger?

Lol- as I was writing that line gunslinger popped into my mind as one of the most challenging ones to present a bevy of options for. They're primarily damage dealers, so lets look at only options with good damage output...

You could build as a pistolero with rapid reload/alchemical cartridges who's damage/shot isn't really high but uses combat reflexes/improved snap shot to make tons of attacks. Give him acrobatics and he'll be mobile and dangerous to move near.

You could do a mysterious stranger with dangerously curious/UMD who mixes magic (from wands/scrolls) with focused aim attacks. With good Cha you could use your other trait to make diplomacy a class skill (and pick up Bluff) to also be a face.

You could spend a trait to pick up stealth as a class skill and make a scout/tracker... go the vital strike route with a double hackbut and use sniping as much as possible.

Pretend you're a ranger. Take the Animal Ally chain and both grab the teamwork feats that benefit 1 ranged and 1 melee teams. Your personal DPR might not be quite as high but once you factor in the pets full attack too you'll be in great shape.

Pick up variant multiclassing with the alchemist. Use Dex mutagen for extra hit/damage, use bombs for AoE damage. Sadly there's not a way I can think of off the top of my head to get the explosive missiles discovery in this build but its still pretty solid, and you're craft[alchemy] will be good so you can make alchemical items for other options (especially at low levels).

I could come up with others if I spent more time, but that's 5 reasonably different builds just with keeping DPR one of the main concerns.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

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i'm having trouble thinking of a single class that only has 1-2 workable builds... especially with the glut of options that have come out recently...

yes, there will always be some builds that are more effective at a specific goal than others, but that only limits your options if you make and keep that one goal as the only one.

for example, lets look at the fighter (generally considered on the boards to be one of the most limited classes): if you're goal is always DPR you're likely going to focus on archery or a big two-hander. those aren't the only good DPR options though. Mounted Combat has a lot of potential and their high feat total makes nature soul/animal ally/boon companion a relatively inexpensive option for gaining an animal companion mount. Or, for that matter, they could build as 2WF with an animal companion and handful of teamwork feats to offset having to split/balance Str and Dex. And that's all just DPR builds, if you decide to buff/debuff there are feats and traits to augment aid another, combat maneuvers like dirty trick, and a fair number of feats for applying status conditions; plus they can take VMC Bard (which, again, is less costly for them because of their high feat count) for bardic performance. Moving outside of combat, their skills are limited but there are a couple of archetypes that boost number of skill points and traits can make nearly any skill a class skill (with a +1 usually); add to that feats like skill focus and amateur investigator or bardic knowledge from the previously mentioned VMC Bard and they can be pretty solid on a handful of skills. I know what you're thinking- 'yeah but without magic they'll always be behind the curve'- well, there's at least one archetype that gives them UMD as a class skill (and they can afford skill focus); Cha is often a dump stat but it doesn't have to be and dropping a few points into it opens up options like Eldritch heritage.

Ok, that got longer than i expected... the point is 2 of my favorite fighters were a vanilla one with UMD, Eldritch Heritage, and a wand-wielding improved familiar (back when SLAs could open that up for you), and a lore warden/martial master fighter with VMC Magus. Neither were cookie cutter builds but both did just fine at DPR while bringin some cool flavor and out of combat options. I think you could do that with pretty much every class.

Also, +1 to GM Blake's post. Coddling players who make 1 dimensional characters is terrible.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

alright... Fell Nornlost is ready for review, sort of... all the crunch is up and ready for review, i'm out of time to put up any fluff right now though (when I do it will just be expanding on the blurb i posted before).

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

The issue isn't actually whether you can have a hand free during opponents turns, it's if you can attack with that hand after using to make a two-handed attack already...

By RAW, the answer is no (I believe it's in the FAQ for armor spikes- you can't attack with things like armor spikes or spiked gauntlets if you used both hands for your normal attack). The GM could always overrule that if he wants to. If he doesn't, I believe if you fight with a 1 handed firearm you can threaten with a spiked gauntlet on your offhand (even though you used it to reload). Or you can wait until 6th and pick up snap shot...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

No, I just double-checked, no PM... thanks for the feedback now though- I just wanted to make sure that the concept wasn't completely contradictory to your cosmology (or at odds with anything you had planned).

This morning is busy but I'll try to work on fleshing him out this afternoon.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

The original divine protection feat was very powerful... Probably too powerful, yes... But I feel like the nerf was a bit of an over-reaction and probably weakened it more than necessary.

I've been shocked by the amount of 'errata' (mostly actually major revisions/nerfs, not actual errata) there's been to the ACG.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

guided is great on melee weapons for clerics/druids/shamans... specifically, throw it on a reach weapon and hand that to a caster with combat reflexes- now you use your super high Wis for the DCs of the spells you're casting with your standard action each round and on hit & damage rolls with all your AoOs.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

(Or maybe a cavalier/bard about to switch over to golden legionnaire or steel falcon/bard...)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Don't count me as a gunslinger... I really probably might not apply at all, and even if I do there's a fair chance I'd apply as something else (I have an idea for a paladin/swashbuckler, and another for a slayer/magus... and another for a Varisian cartomancer/bladed scarf dancer...)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Every level, warhawk

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Ok, I'm still not applying... but if i were going to pitch a gunslinger [musket master]/alchemist [grenadier] would a tiefling be an easily accepted race or is it one that a fair number of people would harbor prejudice against?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

RainyDayNinja wrote:
But Amateur Investigator doesn't give free inspiration rolls on anything. So unless you have a high-Int class like a Wizard, it doesn't go far.

fair enough- add it to any of the Int based other ideas. I had a mindchemist with it (before VMC was a thing) and his knowledges were pretty out of control.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

drat.

in that case, just add amateur investigator to any of the other ideas.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Is variant multiclassing legal in PFS?

If so, a mindchemist with the amateur investigator feat and VMC bard... you get Int x2 to all knowledges (augmented by cognatogen when needed), plus 1/2 your level as a bonus on all of them, and you can add 1d6 inspiration to them Int times/day. there's also several extracts that boost knowledge checks.

Take the Student of Philosophy trait to make diplomacy and bluff Int based and not only are you a sexy librarian but you accomplish that not through force of personality but by being smart enough to know exactly what to say/do to manipulate others.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Name: Culder "the cap'n" Hargraves

Race (ethnicity): Human (Taldane)- heart of the sea racial alternative

Why your character should like to join a pirate crew (short... or not, your choice): when his father died he split his large shipping business between Culder's older brother (Greyson) and younger brother (Liam), and left his hard-drinking brawl-prone middle son only one boat and an exhortation not to squander it. to everyone's surprise Culder cleaned himself up and captained the boat himself. his desire to prove himself led to taking many risky contracts, one of which ended in a shipwreck. He was the sole survivor, drifting to shore on a piece of the hull with the ship's anchor in tow. since then he has returned to drinking and brawling and takes on work on whatever vessels will have him (including smugglers, slavers, and pirates).

Your character in one sentence: Culder is an anchor toting badass with a weakness for strong drink and a past that haunts him.

Build: Eldritch Guardian/Mutation Warrior fighter 6
- as much strength as possible; con>dex>wis>int>cha; parrot familiar with sage archetype (Culder knows very little, but his talking parrot is fairly knowledgeable)
traits: barroom brawler, rough and ready
1st - iron will, power attack
2nd -
3rd - tougness
4th - furious focus
5th - cleave
6th - vital strike (?)
Additional feats:

Key pieces of gear (magical or not; apart from the Big Six): his anchor, which is chained to his wrist. it is all that remains of his inheritance and he uses it as a weapon in combat (an improvised weapon; damage as greatclub- with his traits he takes no non-proficiency penalty, and actual gets +1 to hit/damage with it; if at all possible he would have had masterwork transformation cast on it and gotten it enchanted as a weapon)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

wow, i'm surprised there's not more fire...

if anyone's trying to think of potential earth builds:
- a Shaman [speaker of the past] with the stone spirit would have a nice elemental tie-in and doesn't use a familiar so you don't need to fear being without when you start.
- a Witch [ley line guardian] also doesn't use a familiar; ley lines are a little more outside of the box, but are definitely earth-related, and you could strength that with the mountains patron (though strength or wisdom both feel like a good fit too).
- a Druid [menhir savant] has the same earth connection through their use of ley lines and could enhance that further (and avoid having to scrounge material to summon a new companion) by choosing the earth domain instead of an animal companion.

all of those would pair very well with a ranger (which already has kind of an earthy feel IMO), and the divine tracker archetype would allow you to augment that with the earth blessing (and whichever other one seems appropriate to you).

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

@GM- I know you had a bunch of posts waiting when you got back but did you have any feedback at all for me on Fell? Is the concept of someone everyone (or, at least, nearly everyone) thinks is human but who didn't die with the rest of his tribe and hasn't aged in 60 years and thinks the Norns have forgotten/forsaken him an alright one to run with?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

@Rigor- A gunslinger/inquisitor could make for a pretty solid sniper... You'd have the skills for scouting and sniping, the travel domain could provide some of the mobility you're looking for, and stacking judgment and bane on the gunslinger's already considerable damage should be pretty deadly (plus good stat synergy).

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

What kind of cookies?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Grrr... I'm still not going to apply... But I have wanted to play a gunslinger/alchemist gestalt for a loooong time... and exactly the way you described with explosive missiles...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Why must you tempt me like this dragon... Don't you know I'm trying to finish getting ready to run my own high level mythic gestalt game?

I'm probably not going to apply... If I did, given your set up, I might think about a wizard [spellslinger]/magus [myrmidarch]... but I probably won't...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

PirateDevon wrote:
As for the bugbear...it would probably be easiest to have them be X/bugbear and then gain the second class at 4...so a bugbear would end up being Bugbear/X2/X6 at 6th level. they might be a smidge powerful at level 2 but they won't have another class so I think its not too out of whack...

Their good save is Ref and their BAB/skill points/etc are all standard for humanoids, so it would be really easy to just take away 1 HD at second level... If you felt it necessary... Either way, at third they'd be pretty well balanced (probably) at bugbear//class 3 (and at 6th they'd actually be bugbear/class B 3//class A 6)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Hmm... Bugbear you say... Just out of curiosity, how exactly would that work?

They're CR2 creatures, with 3 racial HD... Would you count the racial HD as 1 side of the gestalt (so you'd start something/bugbear 2 and not gain a second class until 4th)? Or would you have to sacrifice 2 gestalt levels for the CR (so you started as just an extraordinary bugbear and begin gaining gestalt class levels at 3rd)? Or something else entirely?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

i thought the GM with the busted internet was the one from the fallen angels recruitment? which seems even more stalled out

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

4 days with no GM post is not very encouraging...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

edit: ninja'd... I'll leave it here though in case anyone finds it helpful...

I haven't actually played any of the occult classes but a kineticist/monk looks like the way to go for a bender...

Personally I'd go with the old school monk (instead of unchained) for the will save and to qualify for the 4 winds or master of many styles archetype (either of which would add bender-y goodness on the monk side too)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

DekoTheBarbarian wrote:
Are there any rules out for playing a campaign at levels higher than 20th? Like 3.5 had their Epic Progression rules?

Well, there are rules for it posted on d20pfsrd, but honestly I'm not sure where they came from... Basically, you just use multiclassing to keep progressing more or less normally. That's probably pretty much what I'd go with except that I'm also going to develop a handful of literally epic 5 level prestige classes that people could pick from starting at 21st if they qualify.

I don't want to take away from this thread though- there will be plenty more details in my recruiting thread if/when it eventually goes up.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

PirateDevon wrote:
And what would a high power of RotRL look like?

I'm working on trying to rework it for a party of 4 gestalt characters to start at 11th level with 1 mythic tier (and probably end between 21st and 25th with maybe 5 tiers). If/when I get it ready I'm gonna run it as a PbP (so keep an eye out for the recruitment).

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I'm mostly just supplying wisdom.

I was considering submitting something but I'm working on putting together a high power version of RotRL (and then running it), so it don't want to add another game.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Dmitri- divine tracker ranger (IMO) goes really well with inquisitor...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Lol, thanks. I've got a bit of work still to do before book 1 would be ready to go but it's good to hear that there would be some excitement if/when it's ready.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

@Choon- if this is your first time doing gestalt you can PM me questions or things you're unsure of and I'll help you out.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Choon's asking if you're using the pre-errata scarred witch doctor or the (much worse) post errata version.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I'm not ready for an actual recruitment post yet- I still have a ways to go before the first book is ready for play, I just figured I'd throw it out there while we were waiting to hear from the GM and see if people thought it was worth continuing to work on... it sounds like the answer is a resounding yes :)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I don't want to hijack or even sidetrack this thread but I've been fooling around a little bit with converting RotRL into an epic adventure that starts at 11th (most likely gestalt) with 1 mythic tier and runs to at least 21st level with probably around 6 tiers... Would anyone here be interested in something like that (if they don't get picked here, or have tons of time for PbPs)?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I don't want to hijack someone else's thread but purely as a quick interest check, I started tinkering with converting RotRL into a truly epic adventure- one that starts at 11th level (probably gestalt) with 1 mythic tier, and runs to somewhere around 21-25th (with maybe 6 tiers). Would anyone here be interested in that if/when I'm ready to go with it? assuming this dies or you're not selected, or have tons of time

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I'm not a huge fan of psionics at all (nor the rules bloat that comes from 3pp classes), but if the main thing keeping them out is material component scarcity I feel like someone should mention that sorcerers get eschew materials for free (and anyone else can spend a feat on it), plus several occult classes don't have any material components at all...

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

a lot of people have different posting patterns on the weekend... sadly, some of these high power recruitments do fall apart when the GMs realize what they've gotten themselves into, but it seems pretty premature to write this GM off already.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

the swashbuckler/samurai is an interesting concept but you end up with only 4 skill points (which isn't a dealbreaker but is kind of low for gestalt), a poor will save (which you should always try to avoid), and no casting ability...

you might be better off going swashbuckler/kensai or swordsaint/arcane duelist- both could give you a lot of the same feel but with all good saves and 6 level casting (though if you want a Dex build the swordsaint/arcane duelist would either need a 1 level dip in swashbuckler or a dueling sword and weapon finesse/slashing grace).

a swashbuckler/paladin could be pretty great too, though that might change the feel too much... only a 4 level caster but all amazing saves, LoH to self heal when something manages to hit you, and smite (when you get to use it) is a sweet buff to damage and defenses.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I guess it's not completely worthless for a half-Orc... It's pretty craptastic for actual orcs though (which is ironic since it's an Orc archetype not a half-Orc one)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I forgot that 'errata' (nerf*) was even a thing. It's such a worthless archetype if you use the new version.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I'm also curious about languages... Fell has picked up a fair number of those in his 76 years (and he's something of an expert on runes)

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

I love that this thread refuses to die.

I was kind of underwhelmed with the occult book, but a kineticist/scarred witch doctor does seem like an interesting combo. It's not full BAB and the skills are somewhat lacking but the control/debuffing of a witch seems like a good compliment to the kineticist's blasting and the Con synergy is awesome.

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

If feedback isn't good on Fell I think I finally stumbled on a shieldmaiden build I'm interested in... A paladin/swashbuckler with a buckler and a long sword, or maybe falcata. Dex build, obviously. Is Astrid too cliche (or already in use)?

RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 , Star Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 8

Ok, this week has been nuts at work so I'm not nearly as far on my character as I'd like but here's the bones (subject to revision):

Fell Nornlost is the last of a forgotten tribe from the northern mountains. One particularly nasty winter the cold got so bad that his tribesmen were dying off by the hour; within a few days every single one of them succumbed to the frost but him. That was 60 years ago and he doesn't seem to have aged a day since then, leading him (and some others) to conclude that the Norns have forgotten him. Unbeknownst to him he is actually one of the Aesermar (with the scion of humanity racial trait, so everyone thinks he's human) and it was his natural cold resistance that saved him. He had been training as a berserkr before his tribe froze and afterwards he continued to practice those techniques but really devoted himself to the study of the runes. Mechanically, he's a fighter [mutation warrior]/investigator [empiricist] (with all alchemy from both re-flavored as rune magic) and variant multiclassing with barbarian, fighting with a greatsword (or maybe another 2hander if someone else gets picked with a greatsword).

I know that leaves a lot unsaid but I'd love any thoughts/objections/feedback on the concept before I flesh it all out, if possible. Thanks.

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