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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:
What JW said. Whether or not it's cheating is questionable and it is certainly not 'because girl power'. I wasn't happy with the situation but I can't really fault her actions based on what we have been shown of the characters and situations.

Well there was no need for the writer to have the main love interest cheat on the character. Let alone a good reason. Considering what happened to the main character compared to the love interest. On a factor of 1-10 of horrible, terrible things happening to who. He is not a 10 nor a 20 but a 30. At most the love interest is in the negatives. I get Stross wanted to try something new. While going for a less comedic tone. More dark. Yet imo it's at the cost of what I consider character assassination. While angering fans and making a popular character unlikeable. If that character were to die next novel I would shed no tears and actually cheer that the character was dead.

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How about making two guides? One PFS legal and one not.

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Dragon78 wrote:
I actually like Dracula Untold and hoped it was part of this shared universe. But after looking at this preview maybe it is better off not being part of this train wreck.

Glad to know I'm not the only one. I will give the Mummy reboot a chance. Even though my hopes are not high either.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
I'm just glad to have killer clowns from outer space.

Killer Klowns from Outer space..Holy ****

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Ranishe wrote:


As idealistic a goal it may be, I'd prefer the rules provide balanced support for as wide a range as characters as possible so that no one has to make that compromise.

Not to mention there is no good reason we can't get both good fluff and mechanics at the same time. More often than not "one mans garbage is another mans treasure" usually ends up being garbage that no one will ever take and rarely treasured imo.

One also has to realize that Paizo is in the business of making both a great rpg and a profit. They can't very well keep supporting a ediiton that is making them lose money. Simply because fans have invested money into books. I'm not saying that the current one is by any means. Neither should they lose profit because it may make some fans unhappy either.

I don't think the system is complex. Neither is it for beginners imo. At least not without a fellow gamer who has not played it.

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magnuskn wrote:
Yeah, I'm for PF 2.0, have been for years. But it should have public playtesting with a longer development cycle than this edition. There's a lot to be done for high level play, so that it doesn't derail so often.
Seconded. While making sure that a very vocal minority don't chase away fellow gamers like the last playtest. A true playtest needs to hear from everyone. Not just from one side that wants nothing to change. First offence a warning. Second banned for a week. Third a permanent ban. Otherwise it's going to be another repeat of the last one. The previous playtest has a bad reputation with some in the gaming community. Their cannot be a repeat of that.
MMCJawa wrote:
I admit I hate the layout of the core rulebook. The text is so dense as written it's a major pain to find anything, not helped by sometimes poor organization of material. I shouldn't HAVE TO USE the online PRD to find things, but it often feels like that is the most efficient option, even with the book spread out in front of me.

Even if their is no new edition. At the very least a good rewriting and streamlining is needed to the core book imo. One should never assume that experienced gamers are the only market. The section on magic is my goto cure for when I can't sleep. As well it's better to split books between players and DMs. Yes it's good to have all the material in one book. Yet if one is never going to rua game. One has just payed for wasted material. Interesting comment beginners set for PF as it reminds me of Gurps lite for 4E. It REALLY does a horrible job of teaching new players to Gurps.

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Which again brings up the issue of attracting the same fans or new fans with no or little changes. To too much new material and alienate some fo the current fans. Possibly more unchanged books is the key. Reprints with little to no changes are not imo.

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https://www.amazon.com/Penumbra-Fantasy-Bestiary-D20/dp/1589780302/ref=sr_1 _2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480980092&sr=1-2&keywords=fantasy+b estiary+atlas

For more templates and monsters from Atlas Games.

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Kalindlara wrote:

Of course it's a succubus. It always is. ^_^

I'm forced to agree with Nightterror - for once, I'd like to see a less pretty monster as the sample redeemed creature. Redeem a nalfeshnee for me!

(I do still love Arueshalae, though.)

Well they did have a interesting twist to her redemption imo. She pretended to fall in love with a another good aligned hero. Instead fell truly in love and became redeemed. Even her appearence changed somewhat. Her wings became more "angelic" in appearence. While she still has the soul sucking kiss. She refuses to use it unless it's a aboslute emergency.

GM Tyrant Princess wrote:

pedantry intensifies

Actually, it's not always a succubus. If memory serves, the sanctified creature template from the Book of Exalted Deeds used a red dragon as its sample.

Not just any dragon. A Red Dragon which would make for some interesting stories at the game table. Imagine the skill check bonus on intimidate. " I don't cook my meals anymore with my dragon breath. I skin them alive and I will even do for free".

Thanks Charles for the link.

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On the other end of the spectrum one has those who still play 3.5. and refuse to convert to PF. While at the same time wishing Wotc would make new material. It's like their a new source of non-Wotc materai already to be useed. Personally I could never go back to 3.5. I like what they did with the Paladin and sorcerer.

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I know this book has a Redeemed Template : https://www.amazon.com/Book-Templates-Deluxe-Goodman-Games/dp/097680851X . If memory serves they creature they used was a redeemed Succubus.

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Starbuck_II wrote:


But 3.5 is "compatible" according to Pathfinder, thus they should.

They should. Many simply won't. Whether it's because they are misinformed about how broken some of the 3.5 material is. Some like me too lazy to convert the material over. More often than not some insist and still insist on Pathfinder and/or Pathfinder compitable only. I think since the PF core has been released I have been in three games where 3.5 material was used. Even then very little. I'm not saying that gamers in the hobby don't. It's probably not as big of a group as we think it is.

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The Thing (John Caprenter Version)

The Thing (2011)

Escape from New York and LA

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whew wrote:

If you don't like:

1) Martial/Caster disparity: don't play a single-classed fighter
or at level 17+
2) Vancian Casting: play a spontaneous caster

No new edition needed!

Thank you for telling us both the obvious and something we already knew. While also highlighting some flaws of the rules.

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master_marshmallow wrote:
The vocal minority on the internet is not representative of the company as a whole, you want numbers? Paizo isn't dead, and people are still biting their products. There's your numbers.

Neither side knows the numbers really except for Paizo. Just because fans keep buying product does not mean they are happy with every aspect of the rpg. I dislike the Vancian system. I'm still buying their books as a whole I enjoy most of the system. Not to mention most gamers are completists imo they will buy everything. As for biting products. Eh I have heard of weirder stuff happening in the hobby.

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Milo v3 wrote:


False. You can keep backwards compatibility while helping with the disparity between martials and casters. 3.5e to PF added in class features to various classes without breaking backwards compatibility, there's no reason why revised versions of classes couldn't do the same.

There is a point though where a rpg can't stay backwards compitable and move forward though in terms of mechanics. I'm not saying it's not possible. Yet after a certain point it becomes impossible imo. As I said one can't please everyone. If the impossible goal is to please everyone they really should not waste their time. Look at Shadowrun three editions and they still had not fixed the Rigger and Decker problem. It took a new edition fourth and onwards to make both viable at the table. If they kept it backwards compitable that issue would either have never been resolved. Or yet another subsystem on top of another subsystem.

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From what I can see they have to offer something new imo. If the flaws of the Fighter persist with a 1.5 version of Pathfinder I'm probably not going to buy it. Same thing with high level play. I get not wanting to have ones library invalidated. Yet at the same time some want a product that changes nothing, compitable with the current edition. Yet also have the same amount sales. Which imo is not going to happen. If one does not offer nothing new or the amount is small. The update CRB is going to stay on shelves. Going to the lgs and not the internet. I can't justify a 120$ purchase for what I already have.

While I would like a new edition I understand that it will not happen. Yet at the same time it's no longer the same market as when Wotc stopped publishing 3.5. With 5E that actually address the flaws. %e is not perfect but it to me at least it fixed some of the flaws of PF. Paizo needs something more than the status quo if they ever attempt a actual revision or even a streamlining of the system. If fans left for 5E because of certain elements in PF. Those elements remain they are not coming.

At the very least even making it so that the various bonuses stack with one another will simply the game. All the different bonuses slow the game down. You can keep the Fighter as is. Just give him decent class abilites. Even scaling feats like spells would do the trick imo. I can see with the Bestiaries they are running out of ideas. Unique monsters are getting less and less. Is a Ocean, River, Lake, Pond, Giant really that different from one another.

A good example of a rpg company hurt by a lack of change is Hero Games. Their Sixth Edition was a Pathfinder edition. It went from one big book to two. The complexity and crunchiness remained with no attempt to simply the system. Their changes were very minor imo. Certainly not enough to justify buying the two volume set. All attempts were made to satisfy just the fans who wanted the status quo and only that. Now their on life support. Not dead but damn close imo. When the only new products being released as a company are third party and nothing else it's not a good sign. They are so broke they can't even reprint the core set. Which you need because no one is going to buy other books with the core. Many people are not going to be the ones spending money to reprint two books at 780+ pages.

Now I'm not saying change for the sake of change. keeping the status quo is also not the way to go imo./

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Can we please stick to topic without insulting a entire generation of gamers. Just saying.

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PossibleCabbage wrote:


I mean, it's not like there's not going to be a D&D 6e some day. No game is supported forever.

I mean, hell, GURPS had a 4th edition in 2004 and the Premise of GURPS is "you can run literally anything with it."

Not to mention it suddenly does not make PF 1E suddenly unplayable. There people still playing older editions of D&D and other rpgs. I'm sure fans will stick with the current edition. I don't get the " a new edition came out I no longer can play the current one".

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I think their best bet is either Starfinder. Or a PF Unchained Vol 2 imo. Change too little and no reason to purchase the material again. Change too much and one risks alienating some fans. They need to find a a mddile ground which I don't think is possible.

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Pan wrote:


Lot of folks want to see what Paizo can do unchained. Also, a new system might allow them to get out from under the OGL. Not saying, just sayin.

Maybe Starfinbder is a tentative step in this direction.

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The main issue is if nothing changes due to backwards compatible. What then is the reason to buy a CRB if it's just a rehash of the current one. Paizo needs to justify why I and others would need to buy the same material again. If nothing changes I see no reason to put aside my current CRB or other books.

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Pan wrote:


Right, I'm betting on later, which is why they aint dammed if they don't.

It's hard to guess really. It could later , much later or never. No one really news except the Devs.

Pan wrote:


A good call out here. I was very annoyed when my favorite options where not available on 4E launch. I was told to "hang on, the rules will eventually work in your favor and you will get what you want in PHB II,III,IV,etc." I didn't stick around.

To be fair though Paizo also does spread rules all over the place. What should have been one book for more Martial options. Is spread between the Weapon Master, Armor Master, Melee, Ranged toolbox/Handbook. Many rpg companies use thsi model not just Wotc.

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Good points Possible Cabbage. Yet like the changeover from 2E to 3E. They lost some fans. So while it would be great to have a edition to please them all. I'm not sure if it's possible imo. Otherwise if one tries to please everyone nothing gets done imo.

BTW great forum name. It makes for a great joke. Possible Cabbage, Tiny Coffee and Tarantula walk into a bar.

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Pan wrote:


I don't think so. I think its a case of why do it if you don't have to?

I think eventually it will have to happen. Whether we want it not imo. Changes happens everywhere even rpgs. Sooner or later.

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I'm not exactly sure how asking them to both release something new and updated. Yet not too different. Is realistic and feasible imo. As I said it is really hard to accomplish. As no matter waht it will alienate fas. I can justify buying another CRB with nothing new. Just as I can understand will not buy a crb if it's too different. I think they may as well keep producing the current edition until it becomes non-proftiable for them to do so.

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Invasion of the Body Snatchers both versions.

Shaun of the Dead

Silet Running

Blade runner

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Looks like a solid guide imo. Would make a great edition to the Zenith Guides for Pathfinder

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It's a classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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I would buy it.

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Godzilla Vs King gHidorah

Killer Klowns From Outer Space

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We will see. I would not mind. It has to both offer enough new material. Without simply being a rehash of the current system with better production values and new art. Not something that I think is easily done imo. As well if something like that were to happen. They will lose some members that unaviodable. They will not please everyone nor should they imo. I think the closest thing we will see is Starfinder. As well they need to fix some issues not port them over to the new core book. Otherwise it's a waste of time and money imo.

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PodTrooper wrote:


Another pet peeve, regarded masterwork weapons/armor. It grated on me that it cost the same (300 GP)to make a masterwork dagger, as it did for a masterwork great-sword. Same goes for masterwork buckler or full plate armor (150gp for either). So I scaled the cost there

Light Armor: +100gp
Medium Armor: +200gp
Heavy Armor: +300gp
Bklr/Lt. Shields: +50gp
Hvy. /Twr Shields: +100gp
Light Weapon: +50gp
One-Hand Weapon: +100gp
Two-Hand Weapon: +150gp
Martial Weapon: +100gp
Exotic Weapon: +200gp

*Weapon cost is cumulative: A one-handed, martial weapon will cost an additional 200gp.
*Adding the masterwork quality to a double weapon costs twice the normal amount.

I like this may I borrow it for my game?

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Can we add "B" movie suggestions to the list?

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If they can offer both so much the better. If not while I prefer metric I can understand why they keep the system they prefer. As for zillions of players in the US.

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Well I will keep a open mind about the series. Yet the previous novel felt like a throwaway kind of novel imo. I could have read the others and not have read that one as well and not missed anything.

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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

I didn't think "The Annihilation Score" was bad. Yes, there are some major shake-ups and certain things happen that I wish didn't, but the whole point of the Laundry-verse is that things are going to hell, and the people who have to try to keep the world together don't always manage to keep themselves together.

TAS is probably the weakest of the Laundry books so far but I still enjoyed it.

It's not the worst be he can write a hell of lot better imo. Hearing from a freind whose opinion I really trust. He makes one of the characters completely unlikeable imo. Cheating on another character because "girl power".

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I too recommend the Parasdol Protecterate. Though at one point the author has the character act in such a way to either want to make you keep reading or give up on the series. It's sort of out of character imo.

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The Charles Stross Attrocity novels start well. Then the newer ones get worse. I will not read the Annihlation Score. As hearing from a friend it's pretty bad. It will make you hate on of the major characters with a passion. He is trying for a certain vibe and feel and fails at both.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Regardless, Memorax, it doesn't change the core fact: Cyclops murdered (sort of) and now thanks to Emma Frost, we're going to see Inhumans fight Mutants.

No surprise here. It's something that Marvel imo has been leading up to for awhile. The funny thing is I wonder if at the end if the Inhumans lose if Black Bolt will be given the same treatment Cyclops was given. After he killed of Prof X.

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My theory about Mystique and it being tied into X-men Apocaylpse comes from what was done with the character in the Wolverines series. The writer promised to do something new with Mystique. Then in the final issue had her revert to her usual evil ways. Meaning their was no way and I mean no way that Magneto was to have her join him. Even if it was in a non-official capacity. How many times does she have to betray the X-me or her current group of allies. Yet lo and behold she is in Uncanny X-men. In story it makes no sense. The only reason out of story was to tie it into the movie.

Which at the time Uncanny was relaunched a few months before X-men Apoc was released in cinemas. Given ghow much of a role Mystique had in the movie. It's one hell of a conicedence imo. The timing was too perfect. Her insanity been cured a looonnngg time ago.

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To be clear it was not the scouting that I thought was a issue. It's that he gets attacked and pressed on. While being low level and without support. I think he expected the DM to not do anything was suprised that he did. Then choose the worst way to retreat. Why would the enemy suddenly stop shooting a obviously injured enemy. Unless the enemy has a very low intelligence score the are going to keep hammering away at the injured enemy.

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I get your point.

Sometimes though a bad decision can have grave consequences at the table. He should have never scouted so far ahead. At least not at that level. The Sprites reacted the way they were supposed to. They are evil nasty buggers and are not and should not be run as giving the chance for a player to escape imo. After all evil is not fair or nice. They certainly would not care if the group was novice adventures. Even then his escape instead of doing it slowly and with conver was trying to escape like a bat out of hell. Straight line as fast as possible. When he should have at least gone back to the party. Or head for cover.

Is it fair no but one has to accept one owns bad decisions. Were not playing Prince of Persia where we can rewind time to get a better outcome.

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I don't see it as the Dm killing the player imo. The player who kept getting attacked. Instead of flying back to his group decided to press on. Even when it was not the best tactic to do. Even with a new player. If one is getting peppered with arrows common sense dictates to retreat or look for cover. Not charge blindly ahead expecting nothing to happen. If what the DM says true the player made a bunch of bad mistakes and payed for it.

Never split the party is valid at leve l1 as it is for every other level. As for targetting antother character. Why would the Sprites whom they can see are hurting the Paladin suddenly target another character. It too makes no tactial sense. Let alone a good decision. The player died and it's unfortunate. Sometimes though one has to accept personal responsability for poor decisions at the game table. At the very least he should have retreated back to the group. Not blindly run away as fast as he could. Who knows what else he could have encountered.

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It's not so much a issue so much that despite having different names. Some of the environment/elemental creatures such a giants really don't stand out. Is there that much of a difference between a lake, river and ocean giant. Beyond the descriptions. At this point with six bestiaries they are running into the same problem that Wotc did. Too much "been there read that". After a certain point one can only rehash and reuse so many environment/elemental monsters before it becomes redundant imo.

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Hythlodeus wrote:


are they too? I was under they impression only Halflings were. Well, I guess one just can't trust short people in Eberron

Sorry my mistake. My Eberron books are in storage. I meant halflings not gnomes.

MadScientistWorking wrote:


No they are actually a weird mix of soviet Russia and conspiracy theories about the Jewish people making them more racist than just Mafia gang. I legitimately think the person meant to type halfling because the fluff isn't even close.

I suppose it's now time to accuse Wotc of both pre-Soviet Russia and Jewish cultural appropriation. I'm not being serious. It just seems recently that some posters rather than say they find something racist and/or offensive decided to look up some of the cool buzzwords everyone is using and toss them into anything and everything they find offensive imo.

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Athaleon wrote:
Would it be better if the mafia villains were a highly inclusive gang? Should we stop using the word 'mafia' because it's racist towards Sicilians?

No and most Sicilians would laugh at being told to be be poltically correct about a organization that is completely opposite of that.

It's funny how those who point out certain stuff as racist. I'm suprised not one accused Wotc of Italian cultural appropriation because the gnomes in Eberron are essentially a Mafia gang. Or cultural appropriation of Romani culture because of Varisians. I guess posters are going to cherry pick about what offends them. I suppose.

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Isabelle Lee wrote:


You'll find four of them in the product description. ^_^

I can safely say that at least one of them will be excellent (if a bit tough to slot into regular campaigns for thematic reasons).

Thanks for letting me know.

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I'm going to keep a open mind about the Bestiary. I just hope we get some unique monsters. I rather not see. Here is a Earth Giant. Followed by a Rock then Soil Giant. With no real variation between them. It makes for less new monsters and more filler. Less goofy monsters as well imo. I can't ever send say the monster from the 5th Bestiary I think it was a undead form of hair. My players would laugh their heads off even as a I TPK their characters. Nothing says scary like being attacked by undead hair.

Will we also get more playable races?

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I would buy it that's for sure.

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