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Why? You didn't need a quote when you misrepresented my argument.
The sword cuts both ways.
You're the one making the claim that the terrorist organization that was using the illegal tunnels into enemy territory for humanitarian purposes, the onus to provide proof is on you. I don't have to disprove anything.
No, I'm arguing that the democratically elected government of some-odd million people is using tunnels to do illegal things that INCLUDE both humanitarian aid (smuggling of contraband i.e. food and medical supplies) as WELL as using them to coordinate rocket strikes on Israel.
What you're saying is preposterous, that tunnels (how many are there? dozens? hundreds?) are used SOLELY to ferry militants into areas to conduct rocket attacks, which happens relatively rarely, and are NEVER used to actually smuggle anything of any kind ever ever ever period.
"Oh I'm just like SOOOO sure" doesn't approach the level of discourse I expect from adults, let alone count as evidence to the contrary.
Please try again, this time with less personal attacks.
And once again, everything is Israel's fault and Hamas can do no wrong. My bad. Much better to spend your efforts making tunnels that will get your people killed than to spend those same efforts saving your peoples lives because, obviously, if you can't make everything perfect for anyone you shouldn't try and make anything better for anyone.
I know you like to talk about how evil Hamas is, but remember that Israel has an effective blockade set up and an admitted policy of only letting enough food and supplies in so that the population of Gaza is always on the edge of starvation.
Maybe tunnels so you can sneak in contraband (i.e. food) is also important.
Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.
Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.
G. Gordon Liddy wrote:
Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." … "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of b!@!&es.
Liddy encouraging people to disobey the law and kill federal law enforcement officers, coaching them on how to more effectively do so.
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Interesting.In recent history I would imagine they'd hate being called Japanese more. While it's true that there have been many historical atrocities visited on the Korean people by China, the worst acts of state savagery have been committed by Japan and are in living memory (WWII, slave labor, comfort women, etc.)
That's one of the areas that needs serious reform: where fines and taxes go to. This is a good example, why on earth would the money from traffic tickets go to the police to hand out the citations? Shouldn't it go to the state DOT? Same with criminal forfeiture. It just creates perverse incentives for police.
Another example is in education. In most states (if not all?) that I know of, public schools are financed by property taxes at a local level, meaning regions with higher property values get better schools/better equipment/higher teacher:student ratios, etc. Which is, of course, the reverse of what it should be where the poorer children need more individual attention. Even if you don't think that progressive policy is right, I can't even fathom the argument that justifies anything other than a flat $/student across an entire state.
I apologize if that derails it, but I see similarities in those policies.
Freehold DM wrote:
That sounds like the lyrics to a Disney song!
I had to reread this several times because my brain kept parsing it as "labor alligators". Which I think is way cooler.
Because it is relevant, and because it is local (to me anyway) I figured I'd post this piecethat has been circulating my social media.
Granted, this story is one man's side and doesn't cite sources a whole lot (he's a layperson father of a murdered son) but I think it highlights the realities of the situation.
I tend to think that, now that Fergusen is getting national attention and scrutiny, that things might actually get done. The problem is that this sort of stuff happens every day and not every incident gets the light shone on it that it deserves.
But you don't just have to believe, you have to believe and also rigorously follow a 2000+ year old moral code or you will be tortured for eternity.
Oh hey, another RLM fan!
Bill Maher was talking about ISIS on his show a few weeks ago about how basically the borders in the middle east were all drawn a century or so ago by western powers without any regard for the peoples who populated those regions beforehand, and we're just seeing the ramifications of that play out. I think he's right.
But we have to remember that we ALSO arbitrarily drew the lines for Israel and it's reasonable to consider it just as illegitimate.
I'm no fan of ISIS or Hamas or AQ, but all this chaos is just the emergence of a millenia old religious conflict between Sunni and Shia, exacerbated by ignorant meddling. There will be no resolution until we stop interfering, and that interference includes the blind backing of Israel.
We should wash our hands of it once and for all and wait for the dust to clear.
You're right, no one expects #2 to happen, which is why Israel is so obviously disingenuous when it claims it won't negotiate until it does.
What they want is genocide, pure and simple. If they wanted to stop it, they'd find and close the tunnels on the Israeli side.
Sorry, but there are no good guys in this conflict, just bigger bullies.
No, you were pitching a fit because you continued to willingly misinterpret what I said. Something no one else seems to have had a problem understanding.
I never said Arab Israelis were disenfranchised, I said half the population of Israel, of which I am counting the population of Palestine. Or at least the territory of palestine entirely surrounded by Israel.
Feel free to continue to represent my rather clear statement though if it makes you feel superior. Seems to be your only motivation for being on these boards anyway.
Well, voting is a legal matter. If you aren't legally part of a country, why should you vote in it?
Well, when you live in an area under military control by a power that won't recognize your state's sovereignty, and you commute to Israel every day for work for your entire life, yes you should be able to vote.
By your logic, all the US would have to do is declare minority neighborhoods in the US to be part of a different country to disenfranchise entire swaths of our country. No dice.
There's NO WAY you would tolerate a policy that granted citizenship to US residents based solely on their heritage.
I find it telling how willing you are to take the imperialist side of this argument.
Arab citizens are allowed to vote, though they do face other restriction. I suspect, especially given the "more than half" bit, that he was referring to the adult population of the whole territory Israel controls. Both Israel itself and the Occupied territories.
That's correct. Israel doesn't recognize the state of Palestine, and thus the population of Palestine is de facto part of Israel. They are not citizens of Israel, of course, because that would be democracy and the racist war-mongers in the Knesset would be voted out in a week.
Can you imagine if the US decided that all Native Americans (probably the closest analogy, but you'll forgive since there isn't a perfect one) were not US citizens and were denied the franchise? Being able to pick and choose who among your population are considered "citizens" and thus allowed the privilege of participating in democracy is fascism at its most pure.
I C wut ur did thar.
Doug's Workshop wrote:
I wouldn't exactly call a country where more than half the adult population isn't allowed to vote a "functional democracy".
If Jordan (or any other country) allowed refugees, Israel would simply use it as a pretense for invasion claiming that Country X is harboring Hamas terrorists. It has happened before.
The 5 steps to running a low-magic campaign
1) Don't give your players any useful (magical) treasure.
You don't have to eat, so why should insurance cover lipitor.
And by the way THEY ARE PAYING!!!!!!!!!!111eleven
Usagi Yojimbo wrote:
I do believe a good number of the founding fathers were known to imbibe occasionally. Some more than occasionally.
And let's not mention George Washington's hemp fields...
Quark Blast wrote:
Similarly, in an autocracy/monarchy 100% of citizens are represented by their king!
But seriously, representation is determined by ability to vote. Women, poor and nonwhites couldn't vote and thus were not represented. If representation meant as you define, colonists were represented in parliament.
Because your medical care should be between you and your doctor, not your employer, and this sets precedent for far worse intrusions.
Have to agree with MJ. There will be no peace until one side of the conflict is obliterated, and even then...