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ShadowcatX wrote:
I supose as one of Israel's supporters generally I should mention that I think this land grab is a ridiculously bad idea and that nothing good will come from it.

Then why did you defend it upthread?


ShadowcatX wrote:
meatrace wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:
You're the one making the claim that the terrorist organization that was using the illegal tunnels into enemy territory for humanitarian purposes, the onus to provide proof is on you. I don't have to disprove anything.

No, I'm arguing that the democratically elected government of some-odd million people is using tunnels to do illegal things that INCLUDE both humanitarian aid (smuggling of contraband i.e. food and medical supplies) as WELL as using them to coordinate rocket strikes on Israel.

What you're saying is preposterous, that tunnels (how many are there? dozens? hundreds?) are used SOLELY to ferry militants into areas to conduct rocket attacks, which happens relatively rarely, and are NEVER used to actually smuggle anything of any kind ever ever ever period.

Oh really? I said that huh? How about providing a quote of me saying that? That would be awesome.

Why? You didn't need a quote when you misrepresented my argument.

The sword cuts both ways.


ShadowcatX wrote:
You're the one making the claim that the terrorist organization that was using the illegal tunnels into enemy territory for humanitarian purposes, the onus to provide proof is on you. I don't have to disprove anything.

No, I'm arguing that the democratically elected government of some-odd million people is using tunnels to do illegal things that INCLUDE both humanitarian aid (smuggling of contraband i.e. food and medical supplies) as WELL as using them to coordinate rocket strikes on Israel.

What you're saying is preposterous, that tunnels (how many are there? dozens? hundreds?) are used SOLELY to ferry militants into areas to conduct rocket attacks, which happens relatively rarely, and are NEVER used to actually smuggle anything of any kind ever ever ever period.


ShadowcatX wrote:
Do you think the teenagers Hamas killed would rather have been kidnapped or arrested?

First things first, show me where Hamas admitted to what you're talking about.


ShadowcatX wrote:
meatrace wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:
And once again, everything is Israel's fault and Hamas can do no wrong. My bad. Much better to spend your efforts making tunnels that will get your people killed than to spend those same efforts saving your peoples lives because, obviously, if you can't make everything perfect for anyone you shouldn't try and make anything better for anyone.

I know you like to talk about how evil Hamas is, but remember that Israel has an effective blockade set up and an admitted policy of only letting enough food and supplies in so that the population of Gaza is always on the edge of starvation.

Maybe tunnels so you can sneak in contraband (i.e. food) is also important.

I'm sure that's what the tunnels were for, sneaking food into the country. Right. . . If you believe that I've got some ocean side property I'll sell you on the cheap.

Beyond that, I wonder, was the gain worth provoking Israel and forcing their hand and the thousands of people who have died from such?

"Oh I'm just like SOOOO sure" doesn't approach the level of discourse I expect from adults, let alone count as evidence to the contrary.

Please try again, this time with less personal attacks.


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ShadowcatX wrote:
And once again, everything is Israel's fault and Hamas can do no wrong. My bad. Much better to spend your efforts making tunnels that will get your people killed than to spend those same efforts saving your peoples lives because, obviously, if you can't make everything perfect for anyone you shouldn't try and make anything better for anyone.

I know you like to talk about how evil Hamas is, but remember that Israel has an effective blockade set up and an admitted policy of only letting enough food and supplies in so that the population of Gaza is always on the edge of starvation.

Maybe tunnels so you can sneak in contraband (i.e. food) is also important.


Irontruth wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.
Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.
Was that one called Watergate-gate?

I think you're probably right.


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Irontruth wrote:
Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.

Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.

G. Gordon Liddy wrote:
Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." … "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of b!@!&es.

Liddy encouraging people to disobey the law and kill federal law enforcement officers, coaching them on how to more effectively do so.


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Vod Canockers wrote:


Lots of peaceful protests that didn't involve illegal activities in the '60s.

Yeah, and those peaceful protests were STILL met by riot police.

When the law is wrong, fighting for what is right is illegal.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Another Ferguson? Young Black Man Shot In Chest With Hands Cuffed Behind Back. Police Say Suicide.

Seems legit.


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When did we start living in a Judge Dredd comic where the cops have the duty to execute unruly citizens?

It's not "innocence until proven guilty...or you die in which case you probably deserved it you scum."


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
It was early in the movie, and the scene was Harold (Chinese dude) being picked on by his coworkers
My Korean friends have described a cultural legacy of hating all Chinese WAY worse than they hate any whites. Calling one of them "Chinese" is like someone calling me a "Nazi" because I have a Jewish name.

Interesting.

In recent history I would imagine they'd hate being called Japanese more. While it's true that there have been many historical atrocities visited on the Korean people by China, the worst acts of state savagery have been committed by Japan and are in living memory (WWII, slave labor, comfort women, etc.)


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That's one of the areas that needs serious reform: where fines and taxes go to. This is a good example, why on earth would the money from traffic tickets go to the police to hand out the citations? Shouldn't it go to the state DOT? Same with criminal forfeiture. It just creates perverse incentives for police.

Another example is in education. In most states (if not all?) that I know of, public schools are financed by property taxes at a local level, meaning regions with higher property values get better schools/better equipment/higher teacher:student ratios, etc. Which is, of course, the reverse of what it should be where the poorer children need more individual attention. Even if you don't think that progressive policy is right, I can't even fathom the argument that justifies anything other than a flat $/student across an entire state.

I apologize if that derails it, but I see similarities in those policies.


Freehold DM wrote:
Was a cop the one holding the gun?

...


Did I ever tell the story about how I got forced to wash a stranger's car at gunpoint, after my bags were illegally searched, because a random person hundreds of feet away misidentified my friends and I as vandals?

Good times.


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Live cop doesn't protect anyone either.
Live cop eats donuts, gets paid 2-3 times the median American income, and shoots to kill if they feel "threatened".

F@~$ the police.


Fake Healer wrote:
The idea that a 6'4" 290 lb dude would "take a while" to beat someone to death is ridiculous.

As a 6'5" 290 lb dude who hits like a pussycat I can tell you it's not ridiculous.


Freehold DM wrote:
thejeff wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:

Interestly enough Racism IS allowed in the US. It is still socially acceptable.

Think about editorials you have seen. When looking at them, the number that have been focused on mocking those from the Middle East over the past decade is almost innumerable.

The stereotype against those from the Middle East...is shocking.

These are Asians in continent...not African Americans...and because...

Yeah. Let's not go down this derail again. Everybody has it worse than blacks. Racism is so much worse against all the other minorities. Which of course means that any problems black people have are their own fault. Blacks aren't getting harassed and shot by police because of racism, since you think other races face worse racism and yet they're not getting by police as much.
there are many different ways to be a bigot. A fist in the face is but one.

That sounds like the lyrics to a Disney song!


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Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:


It's not a real problem until it affects you personally.

I'm pretty sure that's written in the Republican party charter somewhere.


I COME FROM THE FUTURE TO TELL YOU NO.
NOT REALLY.


TheAntiElite wrote:
meatrace wrote:
thejeff wrote:


Look at the brutal suppression of Occupy. It's also about whether you represent a threat to the system. For all their anti-government rhetoric, the Open Carry folks don't. Occupy did, just like unions and labor agitators used to.

I had to reread this several times because my brain kept parsing it as "labor alligators". Which I think is way cooler.

Adult-onset dislexia?

I am okay with this so long as they are not of the trap door variety.

No, I imagine it's this variety.

NOTE: Watch video from beginning to end for full effect.


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thejeff wrote:


Look at the brutal suppression of Occupy. It's also about whether you represent a threat to the system. For all their anti-government rhetoric, the Open Carry folks don't. Occupy did, just like unions and labor agitators used to.

I had to reread this several times because my brain kept parsing it as "labor alligators". Which I think is way cooler.

Adult-onset dislexia?


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Because it is relevant, and because it is local (to me anyway) I figured I'd post this piecethat has been circulating my social media.

Granted, this story is one man's side and doesn't cite sources a whole lot (he's a layperson father of a murdered son) but I think it highlights the realities of the situation.

I tend to think that, now that Fergusen is getting national attention and scrutiny, that things might actually get done. The problem is that this sort of stuff happens every day and not every incident gets the light shone on it that it deserves.


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To extend the metaphor, the story about the murdered youth being a suspect in some other crime is the police's attempt to use Bluff, but with the -20 penalty for saying completely unbelievable.


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Common sense is what tells us the world is flat.


Sissyl is 100% correct.
If you couldn't be both a democracy and a republic then republics would be s#$&ty. Being "represented" by people in a central government who you are not actually able to elect is a bum deal.


Why don't we just roll in and close them up. If you don't pay taxes here you don't do business here.


Sounds like progress. Magazines are so last century.


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Aranna wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Protestant: WTF?!?!? Can we get over the "God hates" thing already? God loves everyone. As long as they believe in God. If they don't, then God hates 'em.

This isn't accurate by the way. I mean the first part is... God does love us all. But the second part isn't. God promises all our misdeeds will be punished... This is a death sentence for everyone on earth. But he loves us and so he sent his only begotten son to die for us and give us a second chance at heaven through him... we only need to believe, nothing more.

But you don't just have to believe, you have to believe and also rigorously follow a 2000+ year old moral code or you will be tortured for eternity.


Irontruth wrote:

Made me think of a thing....

Harry S. Plinkett wrote:
The Phantom Menace is the most disappointing thing since my son. I mean how much more could you possibly f&~% up the entire back story to Star Wars. And while my son eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of the gas station, the unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequels is that they'll be around.... forever. They will never go away. They can never be undone.

Oh hey, another RLM fan!


I drove 100 miles out of my way the other day to get a few pounds of smoked salmon from a dynamite smokehouse I know.

That's probably not terribly unhealthy, compared to what I could be eating, but egads is it DELICIOUS!


Bill Maher was talking about ISIS on his show a few weeks ago about how basically the borders in the middle east were all drawn a century or so ago by western powers without any regard for the peoples who populated those regions beforehand, and we're just seeing the ramifications of that play out. I think he's right.

But we have to remember that we ALSO arbitrarily drew the lines for Israel and it's reasonable to consider it just as illegitimate.

I'm no fan of ISIS or Hamas or AQ, but all this chaos is just the emergence of a millenia old religious conflict between Sunni and Shia, exacerbated by ignorant meddling. There will be no resolution until we stop interfering, and that interference includes the blind backing of Israel.

We should wash our hands of it once and for all and wait for the dust to clear.


Irontruth wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Close.

1) The violence is being committed whether hamas exists or not

2) Any plan which starts with "Violence will not happen" is an impossibility.

Except no one expects your version of 2 to happen. The Israeli's aren't stupid, they know violence is a possibility. What they want is mechanisms to stop it and find those committing it.

Hamas doesn't do anything to stop rocket attacks. They hand out order forms for more rockets.

You're right, no one expects #2 to happen, which is why Israel is so obviously disingenuous when it claims it won't negotiate until it does.

What they want is genocide, pure and simple. If they wanted to stop it, they'd find and close the tunnels on the Israeli side.

Sorry, but there are no good guys in this conflict, just bigger bullies.
Israel got a bloody nose and came back with a glock.


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Irontruth wrote:


I was calling into question inaccurate statements from someone else. I don't care if someone else said something, that's not attributable to me. Just because I'm pointing out Meatrace's inaccuracy, does NOT mean I'm disagreeing with his overall sentiment, just that I find some of his "facts" to not actually be facts.

No, you were pitching a fit because you continued to willingly misinterpret what I said. Something no one else seems to have had a problem understanding.

I never said Arab Israelis were disenfranchised, I said half the population of Israel, of which I am counting the population of Palestine. Or at least the territory of palestine entirely surrounded by Israel.

Feel free to continue to represent my rather clear statement though if it makes you feel superior. Seems to be your only motivation for being on these boards anyway.


thejeff wrote:
The point is that pointing at a nation as a shining example of democracy when they have an entire subject population that doesn't count is hypocritical.

Bingo.


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Irontruth wrote:
Well, voting is a legal matter. If you aren't legally part of a country, why should you vote in it?

Well, when you live in an area under military control by a power that won't recognize your state's sovereignty, and you commute to Israel every day for work for your entire life, yes you should be able to vote.

By your logic, all the US would have to do is declare minority neighborhoods in the US to be part of a different country to disenfranchise entire swaths of our country. No dice.

There's NO WAY you would tolerate a policy that granted citizenship to US residents based solely on their heritage.

I find it telling how willing you are to take the imperialist side of this argument.


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thejeff wrote:
Arab citizens are allowed to vote, though they do face other restriction. I suspect, especially given the "more than half" bit, that he was referring to the adult population of the whole territory Israel controls. Both Israel itself and the Occupied territories.

That's correct. Israel doesn't recognize the state of Palestine, and thus the population of Palestine is de facto part of Israel. They are not citizens of Israel, of course, because that would be democracy and the racist war-mongers in the Knesset would be voted out in a week.

Can you imagine if the US decided that all Native Americans (probably the closest analogy, but you'll forgive since there isn't a perfect one) were not US citizens and were denied the franchise? Being able to pick and choose who among your population are considered "citizens" and thus allowed the privilege of participating in democracy is fascism at its most pure.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Israel demands a solution where there is no rocket fire. It doesn't matter how little rocket fire there is, or that its killing fewer people than bathtub accidents are. They demand ZERO rocket fire.

There is only one solution where there is no rocket fire, and that's final.

I C wut ur did thar.


Doug's Workshop wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:


Its a lose lose for the other states. Taking in the refugees would cost money, deprive them of a weapon, and invite retaliation any time Israel decided to snag some more land.

Also, they all look the same to us, but they were already a not so popular ethnic group BEFORE this whole mess started.

It would certainly deprive them of a weapon, because once the Palestinian issue is resolved, people might realize that the only liberally-minded nation in the region was Israel. Way easier to get the world distracted by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than let the world focus on the moral, economic, educational, and cultural failings of the rest of the Middle East (quick: which nation in the region is rated highest by the Human Development Index? Here's a hint: it's the only functional democracy in the region).

The sooner the Palestinians figure that out other interests need them as martyrs, the sooner a real and lasting peace will be forged.

I wouldn't exactly call a country where more than half the adult population isn't allowed to vote a "functional democracy".

If Jordan (or any other country) allowed refugees, Israel would simply use it as a pretense for invasion claiming that Country X is harboring Hamas terrorists. It has happened before.


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The 5 steps to running a low-magic campaign

1) Don't give your players any useful (magical) treasure.
2) Watch your players flail helplessly against the weakest enemies with DR, or become frustrated when they need to sneak in somewhere and (surprise) the warrior isn't maxed in Stealth.
3) Cackle maniacally and rub your hands together as your players are slaughtered.
4) Wait for your players to drop due to frustration, and find a new group.
5) Repeat


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zauriel56 wrote:
Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
zauriel56 wrote:
I disagree with the stance of the business but not the ruling. Why should rights be infringed upon because they own a business?
Why should a employee's rights be infringed upon because they have a job?

As someone previously stated you don't have to have sex. So women have a right to not get pregnant right? You know how you can do that? Don't have sex. If you want your cake and to eat it too you're gonna have to pay. Why is it there job to pay for something elective?

Look I'm a libertarian. I believe individual rights are paramount and I believe people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as it does not infinite on another's rights. And glad to provide some diversity.

You don't have to eat, so why should insurance cover lipitor.

And by the way THEY ARE PAYING!!!!!!!!!!111eleven
WHen you say "you gots ta pay" they are PAYING by exchanging their labor for a compensation package that includes comprehensive reproductive healthcare.


Usagi Yojimbo wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:


Well, I'm not talking about core hippy habits like pot smoking (though one must wonder at people who enjoy drug use where the altered state is in-house referred to as "being stoned" or having a "head full of zombie". Because being hit in the head with rocks is such fun and zombies are known for clarity of thought. Do they even consider that the name "pot" is derived from "going to pot"?). Now back to the topic.
Interesting- in my country we have something called 'alcohol' that people use for many of the same things. I'm surprised that you've never heard of it.

I do believe a good number of the founding fathers were known to imbibe occasionally. Some more than occasionally.

And let's not mention George Washington's hemp fields...


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You can't call your business christian and accept credit cards (usury).


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Quark Blast wrote:
meatrace wrote:

95% of the population couldn't have been land owning white men. I'm guessing 50-ish % were women and a significant portion black.

You should stop lying.

HA! Silly old bear. :D

The answer to your self-induced conundrum would be 95% of people were represented by those who were eligible to vote.

Similarly, in an autocracy/monarchy 100% of citizens are represented by their king!

But seriously, representation is determined by ability to vote. Women, poor and nonwhites couldn't vote and thus were not represented. If representation meant as you define, colonists were represented in parliament.


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Crisischild wrote:

I don't really see the problem. It's a few specific products, they still cover all other forms of female birth control. Also the birth control not covered generally costs less in-store than the co-pay for many of the forms that are covered.

Why is this a world ending issue? Do I not understand because I'm a sexist racist patriaricle capitalist pig?

Because your medical care should be between you and your doctor, not your employer, and this sets precedent for far worse intrusions.


95% of the population couldn't have been land owning white men. I'm guessing 50-ish % were women and a significant portion black.

You should stop lying.


thejeff wrote:
MagusJanus wrote:
I'm going to be blunt: It's quickly reaching the point where the only way there will be peace in Israel is if we nuke Jerusalem. Because, sadly, that city is what all of the fighting is about.

Just No.

And horribly provocative. This thread is doomed, but there's no need to kick it over the edge.

Lord Snow. Glad you're alright. Glad the defense system worked and no one was hurt in that attack.

Have to agree with MJ. There will be no peace until one side of the conflict is obliterated, and even then...


Psionics are awesome.
DSP psionics are well written and fun.

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