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Rynjin wrote:

Obviously we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I think the protection of other people's property (and welfare, though as of YET nobody has been hurt) is more important than you being able to continue protesting all through the night.

I certainly think it's a better alternative than coming in with teargas and billy clubs to arrest large groups of people at once.

You disagree.

You're being disingenuous.

In all cases that I've seen, riots form from protests AFTER police are called in in riot gear. They escalate. Sure, maybe there's some excess littering or traffic is inconvenienced or even a rare car bashed up, but it doesn't warrant ESCALATING the situation with police violence.

You'll note that the curfew doesn't just affect protesters. You're abridging individuals' rights because of what someone else has done. Unacceptable.


"I put on my robe and wizard hat."


This is just so wrong it's comical.


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Lord Snow wrote:

Not really. Both liberalism and conservatism are theories, a way to look at the world. Either could be implemented in different ways - as an extreme example, fascism is an implementation of conservatism and communism is an implementation of liberalism. They both ended up looking remarkably similar back there in the previous century.

I mean, the names are just labels plastered over incredibly broad arrays of approaches to a vast number of subjects that sometimes interlock and sometimes don't.

In either case, it is borderline absurd to claim that conservatism is more grounded in reality than liberalism is. Do conservatives unanimously have more experience than liberals? since both camps are so broad that it is virtually impossible that one is on average...

You've earned the following achievements: Epistemic Nihilism, Missing the Point Entirely and Interpreting Something to Mean the Opposite.

You'll notice that nowhere in my post did I mention liberalism. I'm not making this statement on some fictitious scale of left vs. right, nor am I talking about the British conservative party, or Israeli conservative party. I thought it was pretty clear from context I was talking about American politics.

Also, I'm saying that CONSERVATISM is unempirical. I'm not sure how you even misinterpreted that.

Conservatives in America, aside from being decidedly anti-science, like to make big bold claims about what will happen if we do X, Y or Z. Then, when that outcome fails to appear, they refuse to admit they were wrong and instead invent a new bugaboo. Sometimes they just keep beating a dead horse (Obamacare is bad, mmkay? What's that? You LIKE your insurance?).

Beyond that, though, progressive policies have a transparent end goal: improve the quality of life of our citizens. This is something that is testable. "Liberal" policies are based on science, social science, and math, given that the goal of government should be to work on behalf of and for the benefit of its citizens.

Conservative ideology is either purely reactionary (social conservatism, which I don't think there's a place for anymore) or based on debunked economic theories (for the most part) which are themselves unempirical (i.e. Mises, Hayek, et al). The only reasoning they can provide for these policies is nebulous ideas like natural rights.

Property rights say that if you own something legitimately no one can tell you what to do with it, and that you can transfer it to someone else.

Someone like myself might say "well, hang on, that just gives rationale to pollution. property isn't as delineated as we'd like and there are externalities. Furthermore, allowing someone to transfer their own property without regulation leads inexorably to the accumulation of wealth among a chosen few. Money is power, and power corrupts; the first priority of those in power is to stay in power. Without a check on this accumulation it leads to an oligarchy (or even aristocracy). Maybe we should enact policies that prevent that from happening."

Conservatives: "STOP TRYING TO ABRIDGE MY RIGHTS YOU COMMIE!"

Politics is a lot like systems design. Garbage in garbage out.


Lord Snow wrote:
Quote:
The fact that I have a right to life does not require you to feed me. As originally understood, if I had a "right" to demand food from you, you would effectively be my slave with your liberty and property being at least partially infringed by your duty of having to supply my food on demand. How then, do I get fed? I either grow the food myself, practice some sort of trade that will enable me to make money so I can buy food, or as a last resort depend on charity. Charity back in the day was the province of the family and the church. Government was neither seen as nor intended to be the "charity" of last resort.

The great part about progress is that we can grow past earlier concepts into later concepts the evolved from them. With time, and with mankind's improved capacities thanks to technology, many things that were once true no longer are.

We accumulated knowledge, we constructed more sophisticated structures of thought and layered them on the foundations prior generations lay for us.

In other words, rights are a great ideal, but they're not based in empiricism.

This just sort of reinforces my idea of political conservatism as theorycrafting vs. play experience.


Rynjin wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Glad I moved back to Florida.
You win the prize for creating a sentence never thought or uttered by another human being before you. Congrats!

Heh.

Seriously though, Florida may have a bad rap because of all the weird s~#! that goes down, but the state's not a bad place to live at all.

Just like anywhere you have to filter out a lot of people you don't want to meet, but it's a nice place to call home.

Plus, we don't have as much of an alligator problem any more. Those new pythons are eating them all!

Well if you like it that's all that matters I guess. Thing is, even before Gov. Voldemort Florida has been bass ackwards in nearly all regards. Did you know they're not required to teach history before WWII in public schools? That's f*+*ed up.

But as someone who does his best to avoid sunlight and prefers more moderate temperatures, there's nothing to recommend Florida as a place to live. I think we should give it back to the Spanish and be done with it.


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Irontruth wrote:
I've never heard a conservative talk about police/fire unions, other than in a specific context (like a mayor of a city in the middle of negotiations). They seem to mostly pretend that those unions don't exist, instead focusing on similar language that they use to describe the military (brave men and women, honor, duty, etc).

Here in Wisconsin, when they were crafting Act 10 the union busting bill from a few years back, they specifically exempted police and fire/rescue unions. When the next round of attacks came, they were exempted once again, and in fact the police were given raises rather than cuts.

To conservatives, property "rights">human rights in all cases.


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Cthulhu automatically wins because Gojira is fictional.


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Rynjin wrote:
Glad I moved back to Florida.

You win the prize for creating a sentence never thought or uttered by another human being before you. Congrats!


Second!


Oh man.
This guy sure did go through a lot of trouble writing a long post for nothing.

Let's keep commenting on it so that his shame will never die!


Yeah, it's an anice flavored candy basically.
I love licorice. I tend to have a strong preference for natural sweet flavors (licorice, vanilla, chocolate, root beer, mint) as opposed to some new flavor cooked up in a lab.


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I think the right answer is "Stop asking questions and keep digging"


Like, 48 hours?
But what do those buried people care, they're dead! (I hope)


Cyrad wrote:
I'm having trouble finding exactly where in this law that allows a person to discriminate someone on basis of religion. All it says that a government cannot "burden" a person or organization's ability to exercise their religion. The law only seems to concern government entities affecting how people exercise their religion, not private businesses.

The government can't "burden" a business by curtailing that business's right to exercise its religion.


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Aranna wrote:
Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:

The purpose of the law is twofold: to override and eliminate the laws passed by individual counties and municipalities in Indiana that have added sexual orientation as a protected class on which basis it is illegal to discriminate; and to make a political statement that gays are bad mmmkay.

All these people arguing that businesses should have the right to discriminate: I'm guessing you've never been discriminated against for your race, sexual orientation, or religion. It's not just a matter of "oh well, whatever". It's really dehumanizing.

That is not the purpose of the law, someone already explained the history of the law, stop trying to be trollish.

And since you asked I face sexism all the time, and occasionally attacks on my religion as well. If you want to factionalize the country into protected groups fine but don't complain when religion gets protected as well.

Religion isn't being protected. Nothing is keeping these people from exercising their religion. Refusing service to someone has nothing to do with their religion; show me where in the Bible/Koran/Torah it says "thou shalt not make cakes for homos, for they art icky."

And also, this is plainly and obviously the purpose of this law: to override local/county laws that provide protections for such people and to pander to the Republican base aka homophobic bigots.


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So here's my proposed solution.
If you're part of a discriminated class, and a "private" business refuses you service, you should be able to get a refund on all taxes that go to fund that business, and its owner's services (post, road, police, fire/rescue, etc).

Of course, this will mean that the taxes will go up for everyone else, to make up the revenue. And since you can't tell if someone is gay by looking at them then, realistically, anyone could be discriminated against.

So, therefore, everyone EXCEPT these businesses should get a tax break, and the businesses should see a commensurate tax increase.

We can call it a Bigot Tax.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
What's wrong with phoenix, exactly?
We don't have winter. Ever.

I dunno, it was high 30s when I was there over xmas. Kinda chilly.

Which reminds me, I didn't know you were in the area or I'd have offered to buy you a beer or something when I was out there. (my mom lives in Phoenix, as do my aunt and grandmother).


Scythia wrote:
meatrace wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Admittedly we're mostly poking fun at the concept because the idea that we should all just learn medicine and not need hospitals is so insane.

"Need a heart bypass? Here's a mirror, bottle of alcohol, and a scalpel. Good luck."

Wait...are you gay? Give me back that scalpel!

Any excuse I can find to share this.
So so glad I read the url before I opened a new tab.

Give it a chance.

It's hilarious.


bugleyman wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Admittedly we're mostly poking fun at the concept because the idea that we should all just learn medicine and not need hospitals is so insane.

"Need a heart bypass? Here's a mirror, bottle of alcohol, and a scalpel. Good luck."

Wait...are you gay? Give me back that scalpel!

Any excuse I can find to share this.


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I prefer frozen custard. Vanilla.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Like I take cool tips off of you.

Maybe you should.

Tip #1: Actual cool people don't brag about how cool they are.
From the Beats to the Velvet Underground: Bullshiznit.

Is there a VU song I'm not familiar with called "We're cooler than you c*%%s, so shut up"?


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Like I take cool tips off of you.

Maybe you should.

Tip #1: Actual cool people don't brag about how cool they are.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Pfft. I've been posting about The Wire my entire time here. Came up in the first politroll conversation I ever entered, back with Comrade Derek back in '0whatever.

As for Wire, the band, c'mon, Comrade Meatrace. I've got ten years working in used record stores under my belt.

I'm cooler than all of you!

Listening to Grateful Dead undoes all other cool you may have earned.


Krensky wrote:

Per his war stories, when asked why you can't divide a number by zero the response he got from someone applying to teach college mathematics was "Because it would anger the Math Gods." Not "it's undefined", not "you can't take X things and divide them into no piles". "Anger the Math Gods".

I'm amazed he doesn't drink more.

To be fair, that's what my friend tells his students, and he teaches AP Calc. Math teacher humor is an acquired taste.


houstonderek wrote:
meatrace wrote:

Or just make college free here to citizens and aliens alike, then you'll massively brain drain the rest of the world as all the smart folks come here.

Germany did something similar recently and I'm sure they're working the same strategy.

Germany is also very selective about who they admit into a regular university type setting. They don't let just anybody get free college. If you don't have the academic chops you don't get to go. Period. No remedial classes for illiterates in German universities. That seems to be an American thing exclusively.

Any halfway-decent school in the US is just as selective.

I mean, sure, any old boob can get into University of Nebraska at Bumf!++, but you'll probably get about the same level of education as a community college.

I've never heard of classes for illiterates at university though, so you'll have to elucidate me.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
meatrace wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Me and Frank Subotka agree: Down with containerization!

Also, school sucks!

What? A Wire reference from the gobbo?

I'm impressed.
Possible Contender for Politroll Theme Song: The Musical Interlude

OK now you're linking me my favorite bands.

Seriously, are you, like, watching my every move?


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Me and Frank Subotka agree: Down with containerization!

Also, school sucks!

What? A Wire reference from the gobbo?

I'm impressed.


thejeff wrote:
Only if we stop the nonsense that standardized shipping containers were somehow the major breakthrough responsible for the modern world.

Agreed. Let's just agree that there is no SINGLE factor that everything can be pinned on.


thejeff wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
thejeff wrote:
But if one makes the other possible, the growth following the second is still dependent on the first, even if the later spike is larger.
I don't see any reason to believe that "standardized shipping containers" are dependent upon oil or that oil somehow makes it possible to ship different goods in the same size and shaped containers.

Without the level of mechanization we've got, you're going to have to, at the very least use much smaller containers, since you'll have to maneuver them much more manually. Not much point in standard containers, if you're loading everything by hand, or manual windlasses.

Without oil to run your shipping, it's going to be slower, less reliable and on smaller ships.

It's going to be slower (actually not by that much) and on smaller ships THAN IT WOULD BE WITHOUT OIL. And you're more efficient with shipping containers THAN YOU WOULD BE WITHOUT THEM. However, the advent of standardized shipping containers (as well as other factors like communication/organization infrastructure) has had a larger magnitude of difference to efficiency than the change from pre to post petrolium.

And remember that we were using other kinds of oil, as well as other fossil fuels (natural gas, coal) before petroleum as well. In all likelihood, without the oil boom, technology would have simply made use of an alternate fuel source. Not as cheaply, for sure, but still.


thejeff wrote:
meatrace wrote:

Well, having just completed an upper level university course on international trade, I can tell you that the invention and use of the standardized shipping container made a larger difference than the discovery of petrolium for the shipping boom.

But I'm not sure what that has to do with free college?

Would the standardized shipping container be at all useful without all the rest of the oil powered infrastructure? With sailing ships (or even coal powered steamers)? Without cranes and other loading and unloading equipment?

Absolutely. Nonetheless you have to realize this isn't a binary thing where you can in any way separate the two issues, all you can do is statistical regression on shipping data from years before and after the advent of these advances (petroleum and shipping containers respectively) to determine what you're asking.


Well, having just completed an upper level university course on international trade, I can tell you that the invention and use of the standardized shipping container made a larger difference than the discovery of petrolium for the shipping boom.

But I'm not sure what that has to do with free college?


Problem lies between keyboard and chair.


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Artemis Moonstar wrote:
Now, I'm of the firm belief that there are a lot of people who are medicating when they really shouldn't need to. Around 70% of the population on some form of anti-depressant? Are you kidding me? Sounds like a bunch of people who can't deal with reality and want to spend time in happy la-la land.

I'm not going to scold you or anything, because I used to feel the same way, but now I'm on zoloft.

My parter of 10 1/2 years abruptly left me in the middle of the night with no warning and left me holding the bag on a myriad of things. I needed help. I'm dealing with reality, and I'm hardly in la-la land, I'm just not having the near daily panic attacks and breakdowns that typified the first 6-8 weeks after she left.


Seeing as this guy is a far-right libertarian/anarcho-capitalist, I see his assertion of mental illness as a sort of "poisoning the well" against otherwise rational arguments to the contrary.

For example, anarcho-capitalism requires that all actors are equally rational, and if it is possible that some people are, by their very nature, irrational, then it would fly in the face of AnCaps base assumptions.

Furthermore, if there's no such thing as mental illness, there's no rationale for the state to exact a lesser punishment against those with diminished facilities OR confiscate firearms/other dangerous weapons.


Or just make college free here to citizens and aliens alike, then you'll massively brain drain the rest of the world as all the smart folks come here.

Germany did something similar recently and I'm sure they're working the same strategy.


I don't disagree with what you're saying, MJ, but none of that even approaches the claim that mental illness doesn't EXIST.


I had honestly never run into this brand of nuttery until a couple days ago via a youtube post.

Hypothesis: There is no such thing as mental illness.

Now, I'd heard anti-psychiatry arguments, usually from Scientologists who are nakedly trying to sell their own brand of psychotherapy, and people who bring up the horrific history of psychiatry from lobotomy to electroshock therapy (these things can't be readily denied) but I had never heard anyone suggest that mental illness is, like, not a thing man. Especially in the face of modern neuroscience.

I guess having a girlfriend for over a decade with chronic, clinical depression caused by *gasp* neurotransmitter imbalance put me in a bubble of people actually affected by, and thus unable to blanket deny, mental illness.

TL;DR- Lolwut?


You are bad.


Make sure you take Dual Cursed so you can get all the hot reroll action you can handle.

EDIT: Also, Burst of Radiance is one of the best debuff spells that clerics have access to and its 2nd level.


Level 12 Barbarian with maybe 2 Mythic tiers.


Alright I made a cryptic post a couple days ago promising to start a thread explaining why I'd been gone for a while. Just getting around to it now.

Six weeks ago today, I came home from work at 2:30 in the morning to find my girlfriend of 10 1/2 years still awake, much to my surprise, and fully dressed no less. "It's over" she said as she flung a 'Dear John' letter at me and walked out the door.

I won't go into the gory details as to why she left, but suffice it to say she has left my entire life in a bloody shambles. We've been together since 2004 and been living together since 2005. She's basically the only person I've ever lived with as an adult, and I've never lived alone before. I'm stuck in a 2 bedroom I can't afford, in a job I hate and planned to quit once she found gainful employment and could support me in my final push towards graduation, and I'm sharing a vehicle with her. She was also the 4th player in both of my gaming groups, leaving us up a creek, and her family had basically become my family, making the upcoming holidays, I'm sure, awful, as I have nowhere to go.

She says she still cares about me, that she still loves me, but just as a friend. I've spent the last 6 weeks just trying to distract myself, to spend more time with friends, but really, she was my best friend. I've tried to concentrate on school, but my grades have been declining precipitously. She has moved on and is seeing other people already

There's a lot more, but that's the gist of it.


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Tangible Delusions wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Are there unnecessary or even bad regulations? Certainly.

Are there needed regulation that are not in place? Certainly.

Does either of those imply that we have either too much or too little regulation? No. It implies we have some wrong regulation.

Anyone talking about too much regulation in the abstract is likely trying to get some good regulation removed under cover of there being too much. Bad regulations can be pointed out and removed on their own. Good ones have to be snuck out. No one actually argues that we need more regulation in general, though plenty of people argue for specific regulations they think are needed. Again these are often opposed on the grounds of "too much regulation" when they can't be opposed on their own merits.

I would argue that unnecessary and bad regulations would be the definition of too much regulation.

*eyetwitch*

Also, if one person breaks the law egregiously (murder foe example) that's proof we have too many people. People can't be rehabilitated just like laws can't be amended. Riiiiiiiight?


Charlie Bell wrote:
The All Seeing Eye wrote:
@thejeff - I have never been a fan of the 4 senators from the Dakotas having the same say as the senators of California and Texas two of the larges AND most populous states. The system poorly reflects the constituent needs on that level and the house is ABSOLUTELY unwieldly.
Working as intended. That's the very reason we have a bicameral legislature. The House represents individuals, the Senate represents States.

Only true until 17th amendment allowing for direct election of senators. 101 years ago.

Again I point out the irony that, due to gerrymandering, the senate is a better litmus of the political sway of a state (though not the nation) than representatives.

Also: I'm back! Expect a.thread explaining my absence tonight.


Grand Magus wrote:
Summer break is over and all of my knowledge of Japanese has evaporated.

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Spanish may serve you more meat.

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I don't know what that means but alright.

I had 7 years of Spanish and can't really speak a word.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Every pregens terrible...

The wizards spellbooks thinner than the the sharp edge of reality
with valeros dual wielding calling miss is mere formality
The one to pick I fear I must prognosticate
with cons that low i doubt at all they can coagulate

Why anyone would play a toon this bad remains a mystery
I can't believe you'd tolerate them in your character history
with Merisiels lack of social skills you will achieve
a little less p a then if you'd maxed out ranks in basket-weave

That I'd rather eat an otyug may speak to my neurology
but the saranite is limited to healing methodology
the thought of picking any one of them's unbearable
Harsk is bad beyond the worst but every pregens terrible.

(and this is why i souldn't listen to xkcd while on the forums)

Excellent. I dunno I've never looked at the pregens and I don't know why anyone would other than for the pretty art.


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Krensky wrote:

The reason most people use Windows is because it's what most computers have loaded and because Office is the standard in business.

BSD is the province of semi-embedded systems and, in its OSX form, Apple fans. Linux is popular on the server side, but not so much on the consumer on the PC side due to all sorts of usability issues. OSX is also far more expensive than Windows due to Apples inflated hardware prices.

People have been dating that Windows will loose market share due to major revisions for a decade. They've also been wrong for a decade.

I built my computer and I run Win 7. It wasn't pre-loaded or packaged with my machine, but I want to be able to play games on it other than solitaire. Though I hear Mac is getting Diablo II soon.

I also don't use office suite, I use open office.

I really like linux. I like the open source ideology and the fiercely loyal and talented community. But the first time I try to put a game on my machine and it fails to work, I *flip table* and install Windows, because ain't nobody got time for that.


Grand Magus wrote:

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oooh... good news: "The cost of hedging has fallen dramatically in recent months." ( bit.ly/YM214H )

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Summer break is over and all of my knowledge of Japanese has evaporated.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
So its only imperialism when the US does it?
No. It's also imperialism when France, Great Britain, Germany, a bunch of others, do it as well. Whether it is imperialism when Russia does it is still being hotly debated by the comrades. For the record, Israel isn't either.

The neighborhood my grandmother grew up in was historically Italian, but if Rome rolled in and annexed parts of Chicago, it would still be imperialism.

Similarly, many of the former Soviet satellite states are historically Russian, but a ground invasion of any of those now separate, sovereign states, should be rightfully seen as imperialist expansion by Russia.

I can't begin to imagine why Israel isn't imperialist though, other than perhaps your comrades are just as afraid of Zionists cracking their heads as Congress.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Really not doing anything for my view that math is just a bunch of pointless numbers shuffling with no attached meaning at levels most people reach.

If you define what is useful by what most people can understand, you'll quickly find that nothing is useful.

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