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You can't get rid of fatigue without a full night's rest. ANd you can't get a full night's rest twice in one day, mDT. The Ring does not allow you to sleep twice in one day and get all the benefits of it, just like sleeping for 16 hours isn't going to help you.
You are making up rules again. The ring simply says that sleeping for 2 hours gives you all the rest as sleeping for 8. Nowhere does it say it only works once per day. You've obviously never done shift work. Example, shrimping. With shrimping, you most certainly do work around the clock, and sleep more than once a day. You work a four hour shift tossing out the nets, then you have a few hours off to rest/eat/sleep, then you work for 6 hours, pulling in the nets and sorting the shrimp, then you have another 4 hours where they boat is moving to a new area, nets are cleaned, meals cooked, and then you start putting the nets out again and repeat the cycle for weeks on end. It's a grueling job, but it's done because the fishing season is so short, and you have to maximize what you can get done. People would kill to get a whole 8 hours sleep in 2 hours on the boat.
From a personaly perspective, I've done major coding efforts where I coded for 10 hours, slept for 6, coded for 10 hours, coded for 6, and kept going like that for a week straight. Any ruling by you that you 'cannot sleep more than once a day' is a houserule, and quite frankly, one that is ridiculous based on reality. People sleep more than once in 24 hours all the time.
You're also willfully misinterpreting my arguments against crafting. If people can control and come to a consensus on Crafting, hey, go for it. Most people on these forums are fairly reasonable and wouldn't seek to overdo things.
I'm not willfully misinterpreting anything. I'm telling you what your posts sound like. If you don't like they way they sound, do feel free to modify what you say, but don't come on here and accuse me of lying about what you are saying.
But someone coming on and saying he is ENTITLED to do whatever he wants with crafting, and he will fight tooth and nail to get it, the rest of the party be damned? (his own specific example being that he'd continue crafting if the rest of the party was in a fight?).
Don't remember anyone saying that. I certainly didn't, so please don't conflate things someone else might say with things I've said, which you've railed at. Perhaps if you didn't mix my comments with others, you'd sound more coherent in your own responses?
Sorry, man, but that ENTITLEMENT rubs me all the wrong way, especially when he's shouting it out to the world that it's the way everyone should be able to play, and the GM is all at fault if they can't do it and it's be badwrongfun and you should just pick up and go if he won't let you craft, and for 1000 gp a day, regardless, too.
That's the attitude that sets me off. People who restrict themselves from abusing Crafting, who realize how imbalancing it can be, why would I have a problem with them? You're reading waay to much into my position, and I think it's because you're defensive about the topic.
Actually, I think crafting can absolutely break the game if it's not controlled. I simply do not like people coming on and telling other people how to play their game, or making up house rules and other requirements and saying they are RAW. If you want to say it's your opinion that it should require more and not work, that's fine, but you're saying it's RAW, and it's not.
As for crafting on the road, I've already said and I'll repeat it AGAIN that there are rules for crafting on the road, and people should make use of them. Generally speaking, you get half a normal day's time to work, and you get 50% of that time in production (i.e. 4 hours work, 2 hours actual production). The absolute most I see Sustenance adding to that is 4 hours, and that will still be at 50%, and I consider it very unlikely because you're going to have to roll 8 fatigue checks to get it done, and likely end up an exhausted puddle on the ground.
All the rules you've quoted are general rules. They specify the standard rules. There are always exceptions and interactions with other rules. You are basically taking the general crafting rules and saying 'These, these, and only these, and nothing else interacts with them'. There are feats that allow you to modify that base crafting rule, both the at home and on the road rules. But, you wish to lock everyone and everything into your way of doing things, which is what ticks me off, and you belittle and denigrate everyone that disagrees with you.
You argue the same way our congress does right now, not with logic and reason, but with insults and denigration, and yes, that pisses me off, and that's why I'm hammering you so hard. You lost any respect I had when you started spewing vitriol about people being 'entitlement' or 'cheese chasers' or all the other insults you've hurled. So, I'm happy to keep slamming back whenever you like. You want to opine the rules are the way you want? That's fine. But quit insulting everyone else, or else get used to be called out on it and argued with until they lock the thread.