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After rolling up the Swashbuckler, I agree that it is superior. It's a similar playstyle, though not identical, but is likely more capable of filling in the role that the party needs in a fighter. I decided against taking Two-Weapon Fighting, but still stuck with the Swordbreaker Dagger. It's a tax of two feats, but I can attempt disarms at a +18, which fits the flavor of my character, and then the next round attack at a +16, dealing 1d6+15 damage, with a crit chance of 15-20/x2 for 1d6+23. The AC is 1 point higher, and I'm more comfortable with a lower Will save because I can boost it by +3 4 times/day. The deeds are very powerful, and with the amount of damage I can dish out, and the high attack roll and crit range, I don't think I'll be running out of panache regularly, so I can take full advantage of the parry and riposte abilities while keeping enough panache in the tank to fuel precise strike and the initiative bonus.

When I first looked at the Advanced Class Guide, I just skimmed over the Swashbuckler because I saw that it was a mix of Fighter and Gunslinger, and I just assumed that it was a firearm based class. I'm glad someone forced me to take a second look at it.

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I'm going to go ahead and roll up two more character builds and run it by some of my gaming friends and see which one they think works the best. Thank you, everyone, for your feedback.

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Excellent, Tangaroa. That is exactly the sort of feedback I was hoping for. I'll definitely take a closer look at that one. It loses the Cad's level 7 ability, but I think it has some legitimate potential.

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The concept is cad fighter prestiging into duelist using a rapier and swordbreaker dagger. That part is unchangeable.

The GM has declared that only humans, elves, and half-elfs will be worked into the campaign. I can probably get by with something that can pass as human. That doesn't break the concept at all. The GM has also imposed certain campaign traits on us. Those are unchangeable.

Within those parameters, the character is 7th level, uses a 20 point buy, and the standard 23,500 GP starting wealth.

Right now, you seem to have a "give me build advice, but don't ask me to change anything" vibe going on.

I'm sorry if I'm giving off the wrong vibe. I am well aware of various duelist builds on the messageboards. I've done a little bit of research. I know about people taking barbarian and monk, or different fighter archetypes. I'm well aware of the cheese that is dervish dance, and taking monk levels for crane style feats. Surely there is more than one way to build a cad fighter using two weapons with the intent on going into Duelist.

also, realize you can only attempt the immediate action once every 2 turns IIRC.

You'll have to point out where it says that. I see the restrictions on taking an immediate action on your turn if you took an immediate action when it wasn't your turn, but you should be able to take an immediate action every turn in place of your swift action, unless I misread something.

However, playing a Swashbuckler seems promising. It has the same flavor as my Cad/Duelist, shares many of the same abilities, but would allow me to be more dashing and less smart, which fits the playstyle of this campaign. I'd be willing to drop cad and go Swashbuckler. I'll look into this to see if there is potential.

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*TWF with Rapier/Swordbreaker Dagger. Yes, this build assumes you can use the Duelist precise strike while parrying with an off-hand attack you choose not to take. No, I hate Dervish Dance. Scimitars aren't my style. Yes, Swordbreaker Dagger is an exotic weapon, and it's not even very strong, but I've wanted to use one for a while.

*20 point buy.

*Either human, elf, or half-elf.

*Level 7 with 23,500 GP of starting gold.

*We're using traits, but we randomly generated them using the Ultimate Campaign. I'm stuck with Talented and Militia Veteran.

*Must take most pre-prestige levels in Cad Fighter.

Here's my first quick take on the character:

Thadeus Okona (yes, I'm a TNG fan)
CG Human Cad Fighter 7
Str 12
Dex 22
Con 12
Int 14
Wis 8
Cha 10

HP: 58 (rolled)
Init: +6
speed 30 ft.
AC 24 = 10 + 5 (armor) + 6 (Dex) + 1 (nat) + 1 (deflection) + 1 (dodge)
touch 18
FF 17

F +8
R +10
W +3

BAB +7/+2
CMB +8, +14 disarm (+16 vs. blades), +14 dirty trick
CMD 26

Attack: +12+7 (1d6+7, 18-20/x2 Agile Rapier +1) and +12 (1d4, MW Swordbreaker Dagger)
+14/+9 (1d6+7, 18-20/x2 Agile Rapier +1)

Acrobatics +16
Bluff +10
Climb +6
Perception +4
Perform (Oratory) +6
Stealth +14
Survival +10

Feats: Dodge, Mobility, Weapon Finesse, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Swordbreaker Dagger), Two-Weapon Fighting, Combat Expertise, Improved Dirty Trick, Improved Disarm, Greater Dirty Trick, Catch Off-Guard.

Equipment: mithril chain shirt +1, +1 agile rapier, MW swordbreaker dagger, belt of incredible Dex +2, amulet of natural armor +1, ring of protection +1, cloak of resistance +2. 770 gp worth of misc rope, waterskins, etc.

I thought I'd take advantage of the Cad Fighter's level 7 ability to string out dirty tricks to keep a single opponent blind, allowing me to hit him easily while still fighting defensively and using combat expertise to avoid attacks from his allies. I realize there are a lot of other options though.

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You can use the guidelines Paizo has already set up for Dominate Person. How many different Paizo Pathfinder scenarios or Adventure Path adventures have used Dominate Person as a plot point?

As a GM I'd allow a single extra save for each broad category. For example, if the dominated person wouldn't normally attack something, but fails his save to attack and so now must attack, I'm not going to allow that dominated person a second save a few hours later in a similar scenario.

Also, how does Dominate Person react to spells like Charm Person? You dominate a creature, you then charm it so it looks at your favorably, it'll probably have a different idea of what is against it's nature.

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RedDog: You might have a player like mine. We were using Facebook to communicate via a private group thing. Our discussion on our next session began on December 16th. Two players, Jon and Santa, are very active and involved in the conversations, and it's easy to schedule a date talking to them. In his first post, Santa listed every Saturday and Sunday, and the days that didn't work for him, narrowing it down. Jon replied and said that he was free all those days. We settled on the 5th of January (my first child was due to be born on the 15th, so this seemed the day with the least potential conflicts). In the three week period of time between the start of the conversation, and the 5th of January, Jim didn't chime in once. Jon mentioned that he'd try to get in contact with Jim, his twin brother, back on the 16th, but it never happened, and it wasn't until the 4th of January that Jon came back on to let us know that Jim had drill.

On the plus side, Jerry said any of those days would work for him early in the conversation, as long as we were ok if he showed up after work. I didn't realize he worked 5 1/2 hours into our play period, which is why he has left the group, not because he was a bad player, but because he deserves to find a game that works with his schedule.

If one player consistently makes you miss a game, I say the group doesn't work for him. Real life should take priority, which is why we look at schedules ahead of time. However, "real life" can't always take priority. Sometimes that's silly thinking.

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Ok, that's pretty much what I thought. I agree with Shadowmage about players not being as invested as others, and I shouldn't allow that to hold the group back.

I also like foolhardy's suggestion of a house rule on character sheets and NPCs. In the past I've given players a choice: if they allow someone else to run their character or allow me to run it as an NPC for the session, the character will get a full share of the experience points, but still has the potential to die in combat encounters. If that character is going to be sidelined for a session, then there will be no experience points awarded to the character, but at least he's immune to the random TPK that might crop up.

In the past I've also had a policy regarding attendance. If 75% of the group is present, we're going ahead. If you fall below 75% attendance, you get dropped from the group unless you've got a really good reason.

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While I have two weekly Pathfinder games (Monday and Thursday nights), neither group meets too consistently (a 60% meet chance, I'd say), and the Thursday group barely squeezes two hours of play time in when it does meet. I wanted a new fix, and a once a month group seemed the best solution. I had a group of gaming friends who were currently not meeting regularly due to their busy and hectic schedules, but were interested in meeting occasionally. An idea was born. And problems immediately emerged.

The idea was a Facebook page where the five members would discuss several weeks in advance what the best day of the month to meet would be. We'd try to stick to a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, and we'd try to play for a solid 6-8 hours. With at least a couple of weeks notice before we made an attempt to meet on a given day, we thought we could avoid conflicts.

The first session went alright. People were responsive to the page, and communicated their schedules. One guy, let's call him Jerry (name changed to protect no one, really), was about an hour late, and had forgotten all of his gaming supplies. He lived half an hour away, and the round trip wasn't worth it, so he had to start the campaign trying to remember what was on his character sheet. Not a big deal, we worked it out, spare dice and all, and everyone had a good time.

The second session was tougher to schedule. Two of the players are twins (Let's call them John and Jim). One of the twins (Jim) is both a high school drama teacher and a member of the National Guard. His weekends are almost always full. Scheduling was tough, but we finally worked out a day. Everyone showed up on time, except Jerry, who I was informed had to work late that day. Apparently he has no control over his work schedule, and they don't always give him a lot of notice. I think he works in retail, but he's a friend of John's, and I didn't know him beforehand. So, we go ahead and get started a man short. I use some NPCs to help out, and the session goes great. Jerry never shows up. We call him a few times, and get no answer, even several hours after he was supposed to be off work. The session ends and everyone goes home with no word from Jerry. I start looking for a replacement player immediately. A few days later I get contacted by John and he tells me that Jerry had to drive half an hour home to get his gaming stuff, and he took a nap when he got home, and didn't wake up until after the session had ended.

This is ridiculous to me. Knowing that you were working, and that you were already going to be late, why not bring you gaming stuff with you to work, leave it in the car so you can hurry over afterwards and not miss more of the session? And knowing that you were already running over an hour late, why would you think it's ok to take a short nap? We schedule these things once a month so these situations don't happen, and I drive an hour back to my home town to game with these guys, something I'm willing to do because we only meet once a month.

But John assures me that Jerry really wants to play, and that we should give him another shot. Even though I had already found a replacement for Jerry, a much more reliable ex-roommate of mine (let's call him Spock), I decided to give Jerry the benefit of the doubt.

So we start discussing our third meeting. This time, because my wife is nine months pregnant and I don't want to be that far from home, everyone agrees to carpool up to my place for a day. We set a date three weeks in advance, and, despite not hearing from Jim, John assures me that Jim is available on that date. The date in question is a Sunday afternoon. Well, the day before our scheduled game day, and John informs me that Jim has got a drill that weekend, and won't be able to make it. And then Jerry chimes in and says he's scheduled to work, but he gets off at 6 PM, and even though we talked about meeting at 1 PM, he'd drive up and join us by 7:30 at the latest (there was no chance we were going to be playing past 9 PM, and I wasn't even sure we'd make it to 7 PM).

Well, that's the last straw for me. Jerry is an unreliable player, and needs to find a group that works better for his schedule because, unlike the rest of us, he works every weekend. Jim had three weeks to let us know that the day we picked didn't work for him, and, having some military service myself, I know drill weekends are announced months in advance. And because of Jim's busy schedule, he really limits us to only one or two days a month where he's available, and we had better hope we don't have conflicting plans. I had already bought snacks and did all my pre-game prepwork (drawing maps, reviewing encounters, getting minis ready, etc). I definitely want to make this weekend work. I tell John and Santa Claus (the 4th guy, name changed again) that we can get a fresh start with a new group. I tell them that if they're serious about gaming, we can pull in Spock and another friend of mine (Frodo). They agree.

Unfortunately, the next day rolls around, and there's a snow storm, so John and Santa don't make the drive up the mountain. Spock, who lives in the same area as John and Santa, does brave the weather, and when I call him to tell him John and Santa aren't driving up, he tells me he got an early start and he's more than halfway here. Frodo comes over as well, as he lives up here with me. So now Frodo, Spock, and I hang out for the afternoon, play some board games, and talk a lot about how awesome this new Pathfinder group is going to be for next month's session when John and Santa can meet again. I think all is right in the world, minus a month without gaming with this particular group.

Well, the next day, John tells me that he really wants Jim to be able to play, and even though we're only two sessions into our first campaign, he really likes it and his character, and doesn't want to start a new campaign. Santa agrees, and the two start talking on Facebook about getting together with Jim, and just adding Spock to the group, dropping Jerry. But Frodo is now super excited about joining our group. And I'm again worried about how non-communicative Jim is, and if we'll be able to reliably schedule anything with his packed weekends. And I don't want to run with five players, especially because I've already GMed this AP (Serpent's Skull) with Frodo as a player, and he absolutely hated it, which is why the fresh start and a new campaign was necessary. What should I do? I see several options:

1. Forget Frodo and try to run Serpent Skull with Jim, John, Santa, and Spock.
2. Forget John and Jim (the twins), and run a new AP with Santa, Spock, Frodo, and Samwise (Frodo's college aged brother).
3. Forget the entire thing and allow Jim, John, and Santa to work something out in their hometown, and try to organize something with Frodo and Samwise which would include Spock.

I know this was a lot of TL:DR, but I'm looking for genuine, non-biased feedback, and the more information I provide, the better the genuine feedback will be.

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While I applaud the GM for using one of the tools he has to prevent wealth and items from getting out of control ... he might just be a bit overzealous at this point and or it is time to just deal with the tedium. 100k of wealth sitting around doing nothing essentially is no wealth. Being unfamiliar with Jade Regent, how much time pressure are you under and how free is the party to more or less choose what to do with their time? Might be time for the party to "choose" their next adventure as 'find the biggest, richest town within a few hundred miles' and pay it a visit or at least something substantially a step up from there current known markets.

For some reason this strategy never seems to work. As I mentioned, our party recently took at trip to the largest harbor city within teleportation range. This was where the merchant's guild (or it's equivalent) was supposed to be located. We sold... 15,000 GP of loot or so. And then the caster level in the city is only 5th, so our fighter can't buy/upgrade to new armor. And I was lucky to snag a 2nd level arcane scroll. The third and fourth level scrolls I was looking for were strangely absent.


You use to be level 12 with 60 hitpoints and AC 16. It's been 7 months. What progress have you made to shore up your defenses?

...casting False Life regularly?
...+2 Belt of CON?
...leveled to 13th and picked up the Toughness feat?
...picked up a mithril buckler?

Well, we took about a two month break to try some World of Darkness stuff. And then, with the holidays and some really bad weather, we've not really progressed any further.

The few sessions we did have, I lost my cohort to some insanely ridiculous encounters. We were attacking a bandit stronghold, and while I knew we were going to come against some opposition, I figured bandits are bandits at any level, and it shouldn't be too much trouble to take them out with some smart tactics. Being an invisible flier, I scouted the area, and I told the GM I was looking for a small niche somewhere out of view of guards, where the party could quickly move inside the stronghold in a direction the bandits wouldn't expect. I teleported the party inside the stronghold, and immediately these wood piles began exploding. Apparently they were like Advanced Wood Golems or something, and they used their splinter ability during the surprise round, and for some reason I teleported the party within range of both of the golems, and everyone except the monk started combat with 40-50 less HPs. On the very first round of combat, we had multiple guards firing arrows down into our position from guard towers with windows that apparently looked into the courtyard of the stronghold, specifically into the narrow niche that was "out of view" of the towers where we happened to be standing. Did I mention that it was after dark, so there was dim light if any at all? On the second round of combat, two doors swung open and the party was facing a high level druid, his weretiger companion, a dozen guards, and a guard lieutenant. The monk, being a jerk, dimension door'd into a guard tower, leaving all the injured party members to deal with the bulk of the combatants. While I was still flying and invisibile (though down in the teens in HPs), the bardbarian and fighter were in the open and squeezed between golems, druids, lycanthropes, and a mass of low-level mobs. And my poor goblin rogue cohort, which I had fostered a relationship with as mentor since the second session, almost two years ago in real time, and a full year of game time, and 11 character levels ago before I had even taken Leadership as a feat, was surrounded by the low level mobs, and they hacked and hacked until she was so far past dead, even Pharasma didn't know where she was. And my goblin was pregnant, too, with the child of a hobgoblin that I had dominated in the previous module (it's a long story).

By trying to play stealthy and smart, we managed to string together five separate combat encounters (the mini-boss of this mini-dungeon crawl also showed up a few rounds later). I'm happy to report that I saved the day with a Cloak of Dreams, a Persistent Confusion, and an Envious Urge, but it was one of the most infuriating sessions and combat encounters I ever lived through.

So I'll pick up Mirror Image for sure (I think the Bardbarian knows it). I have been looking to acquire Stoneskin. Again, I would love to pick up spell scrolls and do everything you guys have suggested, but I had issues attempting to buy 2nd level arcane scrolls from the last town we visited. And without the raw cash on hand, I can't even begin to craft a new ring and/or useful Wondrous Magical Items.

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I want to reiterate that my character is rocking a Ring of Invisibility. He's almost always invisible before a combat encounter starts, as that's become his default way of traveling unless he's talking to someone. And I'm almost always flying via Overland Flight. I do have Bracers of Armor +4.

The group is loot light. We're sitting on close to 100,000 GP worth of loot that we can't sell because the GM follows very strict rules for town GP limits. I have access to Teleport, and have been using it, but it's a tedious process to sell off that much loot a few thousand at a time, and we can't offload some of our more expensive loot items.

As far as tactics go, the other three party members are melee combatants (a fighter, a monk, and a bard-barian). I'm almost always out of the way, in the air, invisibly during combats. I try to cast things like Summon Monster and Haste so I don't lose Invisibility. When I do risk becoming visible, it's to drop massive area of effect spells, like confusion or envious urge.

My problem now is the same as before, except now the GM is saying that creatures can See Invisibility when they cannot. He's blanketing all oni as being able to see invisibility, and oni are our party's primary foes. Our most recent encounter was against some ja noi oni that killed me in the second round of combat with arrows, despite the fact I was invisible.

AC isn't going to save me now. My wife is playing a fighter with a 29 AC, and she is having issue staying alive (again, she's got +2 plate mail, but we can't upgrade it, nor buy any more gear, because we can't offload any of the loot we've been slowly accumulating throughout the campaign).

What spells are going to save me? And I'd prefer if they were level 7, as the last town we visited (a merchant port) had no scrolls higher than level four for purchase, and after the GM randomly rolled, only had a single level 2 scroll from my list of spells I wanted to buy, all of which were Core Rulebook spells (it's not like my list contained racial spells or spells from splat books). I'm saying that I'll have to spend my two free spells per level to pick up something defensive, and one of those two is going to be an Enchantment spell.

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I am super excited because I got mine today. I was expecting it in mid-January based off of feedback from Paizo, but man! What a surprise! The only downside to getting it now is the anticipation while I wait for my regular group of guys to return from holiday travels.

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I have to side with others in saying that I want Sneak Attack somehow tied to favored target. Perhaps that should be the only way a Slayer can Sneak Attack. It makes no sense for a Slayer to be almost as good at dealing damage as the fighter when we're talking specifically about the favored target.

I'd be ok with other balancing factors to justify this, such as taking a penalty to attack rolls or AC against anything BUT his target, having only one target at a time, and always requiring a move action to declare a target. For a slayer to need to be paired up with someone to do his slaying, though, sorta defeats the purpose.

Skills and other abilities should be secondary to the slaying. You name a class "SLAYER" and I want to kill things better than anyone else in the game, at least specific things, if not things in general.

I would like to see specifically:
-Move Action to declare favored target.
-One target at a time.
-Same combat bonuses against target.
-Cannot take AoO against anything except target.
-Penalty to hit all but declared target (-2)
-Can only SA target, but doesn't require SA prereqs (flanking, FF, etc)
-Maybe fatigue after target is defeated (works like a barb's rage cooldown)

I think this represents the single-minded focus that a slayer would have in bringing down his favored target.

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Ok, great, so it's played as common sense would dictate. Just wanted to make sure that there wasn't some rule that I was missing that had you placing the Devil on top of a location deck for some other poor schmuck to deal with.

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This is happening one way or another. The question is, what feats apply, what rules apply, etc. And then I'll need at least some justification for it beyond just that's not the way it was intended to be used. I can understand the one standard action if the druid moves. That makes sense.

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Could the rider negate one attack to the mount per round by making a ride check?

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Paladin in the party has mounted combat and ranks in ride. Druid in the party can change into a dire tiger, and typically stays in that form through most encounters. Is there any reason why the paladin can't ride the druid like a mount? If he does, how do those mechanics work?

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How do these two things interact? I'm thinking it's the same as evading it, but I want to know for sure.

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Ok, great. The dogslicer is a great card for Valeros to keep in his deck early on, then. Thanks for getting back to me.

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Ok, I just read through the FAQ. I found the bit with Sajan which clears up some things. It also clears up some things for the Amulet of Mighty Fists as well.

I think you guys are wrong on the Dogslicer question, though. Discarding it isn't intentional, so it shouldn't recharge. That's what I think, anyways.

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Been running a few games solo and a few questions came up. Want to get some clarification before I break it out with a group again.

1. Sajan. Can someone explain, again, how his combat ability works?

When you attempt a combat check without playing a weapon, you may use your Dexterity die instead of your Strength die.

So does the Amulet of Mighty Fists trigger BECAUSE it's still a "Strength" check, or because it's a Melee combat check? I know it triggers, but I want to know why.

Basically, does the Blessing of Gorum, OR the Blessing of Erastil add 2 dice to his combat checks? Do they both? Do they recharge like normal?

2. Valeros and the Dogslicer. Valeros recharges weapons when playing them. The dogslicer says: If any d6 rolled for this weapon is a 1, count it as a 3, then discard this card. That's not exactly playing the weapon.

Does Valeros recharge the dogslicer if he rolls a 1 on one of these d6's?

3. Solo play with Erylium. When playing solo, or if you're the only character at a location, are you forced to encounter a Wrathful Sinspawn henchman before the combat with Erylium?

When I first read it, I got the impression that it meant another character, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

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I don't know if you read my post....

In this particular example (which I didn't clarify, I guess), there is only one hero (either because there was only one hero to start, or because the other heroes are all dead). This hero can't close the location. It's impossible for him to close it with his cards and stats. He doesn't have any blessings, or any items that allows him to pass the check.

Does this just end the game?

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What happens in the case where you can't close a location?

In most games, you can just chase and defeat the villain, auto-closing locations you can't otherwise close. In the scenario Local Heroes, though, there are no villains, and there's a possibility that you can go through all the cards in a deck and still not be able to close the location. Say you need a 7 on a check you only roll a d6 on. You don't have any blessings left to use, and you don't have any other cards (allies, items, etc) that boost that roll. Do you just auto-lose?

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So, in the future, d4+d10. That makes certain cards really... not that good.

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For example:

Valeros flips a card for a pit trap, which has a WIS or Perception to defeat. In his hand, Valeros has the ally that gives an extra 1d10 to a Perception check. Now, Valeros doesn't have Perception. Can Valeros use that ally to add that modifier to his WIS check? Or does that particular ability on that card not have any effect unless played by a character with the Perception skill?

Forgive me if this is addressed in the rules somewhere, as I don't have the game on me, having let a friend try it out for a few days.

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I read somewhere that the PCs leave Riddleport forever in the second module of the AP, but I'm still curious how you would construct the Gold Goblin using the rooms, teams, and manager rules presented in Ultimate Campaign.

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You've basically taken advantage of an inexperienced GM; and that may eventually dawn on him as well.

I'm not taking advantage of anyone. My GM isn't new and I've been gaming with him on an almost weekly basis for a decade. I had an idea for a fetchling rogue while I was flipping through the Advanced Race Guide, a concept I had from a previous edition that I thought I could finally pull off in Pathfinder. The important part is the fact that it's a fetchling. Take away it's stat increase in CHA and the spell-like abilities and I'd still play one, excepting it'd probably be a rogue and not a ninja.


5. Utility (what you bring to table) this in my opinion is the ninjas benefit over other rogues. Because they get Ki points, they are able to pull off some interesting tactics. 1 hint which you may or may not know hidden trick (any trick use - 2 ki points) and ring that reduces cost of tricks by 1 point to a minimum cost of 1. Basically with hidden trick and that ring you get all ninja tricks for 1 point. So yah wow, add your other class features and your build and wow.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm not going to take advantage of the cheesy ring trick, though. I feel like that's pretty cheap and isn't in the spirit of the game. I did know about it before hand, but not only am I not going to take Hidden Trick, I'll likely not pick up one of those rings.

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Get the Ultimate Campaign guide and then you will not have to worry about how early feats will be sub-optimal later on, since you can change them out for better ones.

Have it. Know what you're talking about. I'll see if my GM will allow that section.

The nice thing about vanishing trick is that between that, scout charge, initiative, and flanking, you can get a sneak attack every round with no difficulty. And if your build is based on SA, using it every round is a good bet.

The character is already built, so I can't up my CHA to get more ki. I will look into buying a CHA item later on, obviously, and might put a +1 into CHA at level 4 to bump it to a 14. I guess I could, like I mentioned, take Extra Ki as a bonus feat to get more ki, but it looks like I'll be strapped for feats as it is.

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I'm glad to know someone else is playing a similar character at a slightly higher level and is being effective. That's what I wanted to see.

I might take the Extra Ki feat a bit later in my build if I find myself running out too often. I don't think I'm going to overly abuse Vanishing Trick, though, because of the ki limitations. Hopefully the Scout archetype will keep me Sneak Attacking while I maneuver into position. I plan on taking Flurry of Stars sooner rather than later, hoping that when I do get a surprise round and win initiative I can bombard an enemy with tons of shuriken sneak attacks. This is why charging hurler is so important to the build, so I can charge within range of my shuriken during the surprise round, and then follow up with more devastation.

I guess my issue is that there are too many options, and I need to focus on something.

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1. I wanted a higher Str because the last two rogues I attempted to play in Pathfinder were useless without Sneak Attack, and my groups in the past have sorta been jerks about helping me set up a flank. The build is largely intended to make the most of every opportunity I have to Sneak Attack (Flurry of Stars, Charging Hurler, Scout archetype), while allowing me to dish out high Str, Power Attack crit damage against opponents I face 1-on-1. The idea is to severely weaken an enemy with early surprise round Sneak Attacks and be able to finish off quickly, solo, after that. I think I'll be spending a lot of time scouting ahead, and want to make sure that I can take out my opposition without aid from others.

Plus, I've recently played a dual wielding Dex based rogue, and wanted to try something different and go against the grain.

2. Hopefully they'll be dead, or I'll be invisible, to avoid most Will saves I'd otherwise have to make. I accept the danger of the low Will save. It comes with playing a rogue.

3. It's 20 points. You made a math error somewhere. Base stats:
16/14/12/12/10/11 = 10+5+2+2+1+0. It's the downside to playing a high Str character without a racial bonus to Str and a point-buy system.

I realize that I could dump something to a 7, but... I mentioned how enamored I am with skills, and getting 6 skill points per level with a class that needs so many... I would have to make sacrifices. Plus, I'd have trouble playing a low Int character. It's roleplay choices I don't want to sacrifice.

Ninjas need Cha, my build requires a high Str and at least a mediocre Dex to offset my lower AC. You can't dump Con. I decided to go with Wis and eat the Will save and Perception penalties. The Barbarian in the party already has a much better Perception, so Will saves are where I'll need to watch out, as you mentioned.

BTW, is your GM aware that Fletchlings have a "race point" cost of 17? ...if not, he's going to be unhappy (and the other players annoyed by your outclassing them) when you start claiming 50% miss chances all the time and cake-walk the encounters. Unless he either doesn't care or is running 35pt buy, your build is either undercooked or overdone, depending.

I sent him a description of the fetchling before we started play, and cleared it with him before I rolled up my character. Lighting rarely comes up in play. It's just one element of the game we seldom pay much attention to. Either you're standing in bright light, or you're in total darkness. Seldom does it come up, so I doubt it'll be something I abuse much, if ever. I think the biggest contribution to that 17 point fetchling is 5 points for "shadow travel", which I think translates to the ability to planeswalk to the shadow plane at level 13, something that he won't have to worry about for a time. Take that, and the 2 points for a +2 in Kn (The Planes) and you've got a 11 point race, like the dwarf. I still think it's slightly more powerful due to the Med sized, 30 feet of movement, AND Darkvision, plus a bonus to Stealth AND Dex, with great synergy as a ninja, but I've never been accused of power gaming within my circle of gaming friends, so if I start dominating combats, they'll probably look at me and say, "It's about f-in time."

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I see the saves as being my biggest weakness. My strategy is to try to stay untargetable by being hidden or invisible, or else to have engaged enemy spellcasters in melee. I did take a trait to give me a +1 Will bonus. I'm going to have to figure out ways to offset it further, obviously, and I won't be able to afford to take Iron Will until probably the double digits.

I hate Dervish Dance as a feat. I think it's cheesy, and think that there should be an Improved Weapon Finesse feat or something that allows a character to treat a weapon you can use with Weapon Finesse as dealing Dex damage instead of Str. And I liked the idea of a ninja using a katana. A ninja using a scimitar just doesn't have the right flavor.

I will concede that I could have gone with a Con of 14 by dropping my Int to 10 and Cha to 12, and then getting that extra skill point via favored class bonus. I always get strung out with skills. There's only five that I think I need to keep maxed with this character, but I wanted to splash 8 others for situational circumstance and roleplay, and now I'm thinking I should max Craft (Alchemy) to concoct cheaper poisons for my shurken flurry tactic.

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No Deadly Aim. I guess Point Blank Shot would be a better use of a feat, and required for Hurling Charger, which is essential. I can understand that.

Power Attack seems too important for a Brute based character to give up, though, especially with a high crit range weapon. I guess Furious Focus works better with a character without full BAB. Trade off Deadly Aim for Furious Focus, then. Probably a good trade.

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Hoping for some more feedback...

Playing a Second Darkness campaign. Built a Fetchling Ninja and just hit level 2. I've had an idea for this character for a while, but haven't really penciled it all in yet, as I'm not sure what feats are most useful in what order.

Setim, LE male Fetchling Ninja (Scout) level 2
Str 16
Dex 16
Con 12
Int 12
Wis 8
Cha 13

Improved Init

Acrobatics +7, Bluff +5, Climb +6, Disable Device +7, Disguise +7, Intimidate +6, Kn (Planes) +4, Kn (Local) +5, Perception +4, Sleight of Hand +6, Stealth +9, Survival +4, Use Magic Device +5.

2-handing a katana, with a supply of shuriken.
AC 16 (studded leather)
HP 17
F +1
R +6
W 0

2 ki points and Vanishing Trick

I've read the optimization guides for both ninjas and rogues, and wanted to try something different. I was really interested in the Knife Master / Scout combo rogue, but wanted to play a ninja, so I kept the Scout part. I know that Brute Rogues can be effective, but haven't yet seen anything on brute ninjas. I know that shuriken can dish out lots of damage in monk builds.

The idea is a brute ninja. With a high stealth, I'd like to be able to close in on opponents, open with a shuriken flurry (Flurry of Stars), and then move to sneak attack with a high crit range katana and power attack. I'd like to take advantage of poison use on the shuriken, especially since I can flurry and then Vanish as a swift action to let the poison take it's effect before finishing the kill. With the scout, I'd also like to take Charging Hurler, so I can make charging ranged sneak attacks on surprise rounds, and then (hopefully) win initiative to move 10 feet and sneak attack with a katana.

Seems really feat heavy, though. Power Attack, Weapon Focus (katana), Point Blank Shot, Deadly Aim (probably, eventually), Charging Hurler, Improved Crit. Also seems like there is little room for adjustment on ninja tricks, as I need to use at least some of them for feats.

In the two sessions we've had so far, the character has been a blast to play, has been highly effective in combat, and is seeing character development. I want this to work.

What are my best options? Where should I be concerned (AC, Will saves, BAB, etc)? Are there aspects of this that I should just scrap, or ninja tricks I can't pass up?

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Just to follow up, I used a similar tactic against yet another mini boss that had just dropped the fighter. The tiger charged, pounced, hit with all five attacks (needed a three or higher to hit), landed a crit, and with the smite damage, I dropped over 180 points on the poor Ogre Magi. Seemed like a waste of a summon since it literally ended the combat on it's first round of existence. I'm sold now on summons being useful, not that I ever doubted.

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Wow, so on a Pounce, with Rake, the Dire Tiger would get five attacks at +22? That seems ridiculously powerful, especially considering it would get +24 to all damage rolls.

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I don't mean to say like THE "Big Bad". More like it was a mini-boss that appeared after we sorta strung three combat encounters together, and the party was already sorta beat up and didn't have the resources to face a mini-boss. In my case, two of the four party members were unconscious, and the third was invisible and fleeing, so I had a few lower level summons holding off the remaining monsters while my cohort and dominated thrall were attempting to find Cure Potions. I summoned the Dire Tiger and it appeared like it was enough to solo the mini-boss, so my DM ruled that Smite Evil's extra damage only worked on one attack per round, instead of all the attacks per round. I argued slightly, but dropped it because I don't like to play Rules Lawyer during the game. The Dire Tiger was only attacking the one creature, which, by definition, was evil. I am aware of Smite Evil only working against a single target, but I was pretty sure that extra damage was just flat out extra damage.

As to the second part, unless Lillend's speak Draconic, that probably won't work. They are assumed to speak Common though. As to following your instructions willingly, that may very well depend on DM ruling.

They don't speak Common. Why is it assumed? They speak Infernal, Celestial, and Draconic, and my wizard didn't speak Celestial, and thought better than to communicate with it in Infernal, so I addressed it in Draconic. It's True Speech ability would have covered it regardless, but the GM did make me ask it specifically for help since I wasn't just summoning it to bash things.

Regardless, this thread has answered my questions, and I can now speak with confidence if the issue comes up again. Which it will next session because another, similar, situation has arisen.

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This has come up in my game, and I just want to make sure I'm doing it right.

I'm an 11th level wizard with Augment Summoning and have prepared Summon Monster VI twice.

First, I'm in combat with some bad mofo who is wiping the floor with the party. I cast Summon Monster VI for a Dire Tiger. With Augment Summoning, I've got:
133 HPs of Tiger, with a 17 AC (suck), but DR 10/Evil (sweet). I cast in such a way so he's going to be able to charge once he hits the floor. He swift action uses Smite Evil on Billy Bad A--, and charges with pounce, for three attacks at +22, doing 2d4+24/2d4+24, and then 2d6+24, for an average damage, assuming all three hit, of 89 points, not counting crit chances. He also has three chances to make a grab with a +25 to his CMB check. Unless we're facing something much higher level than we are, at level 11, we've more or less guaranteed a successful grapple, and at least 50 or more points of damage. The baddie now can't move, and if not freed by the next round, El Tigre gets some rake attacks in addition to the +25 Grapple attempt to keep dealing damage.

1. The Tiger does get Smite Evil, right?
2. The Tiger gets Smite Evil damage on EVERY successful attack?

Later, after combat, I cast Summon Monster VI again to summon a Lillend Azata. In my copy of the Bestiary, she's only got one 3rd level spell: Charm Monster. I see that it has since been errata'd to include Cure Serious Wounds. Let's ignore that. I want to use her to heal my allies, since we don't have any other means of healing. I tell her to do so (in Draconic) and she casts Cure Light Wounds 11 times, for 1d8+5. That's 100ish points of damage healed, outside of combat, while we're catching our breath.

1. She can convert her higher level spell slots to cast Cure Light Wounds, eh?
2. She would be willing to do this without wasted rounds of negotiation or diplomacy, right?

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I was geek enough to write down the first 20 ideas that came to mind. These are my tallies:

4 fighters
3 each sorcerers and bards
2 each rogues, wizards, and barbarians
1 each of inquisitor, druid, witch, cavalier, monk, and ranger

Obviously some multiclass characters in there. My four fighter ideas:
1. Fighter with the brawler archetype. Wanna see what that +3 to damage looks like on their close quarters weapons in practice.
2. Half-orc flail based fighter.
3. Sylph rogue/fighter/duelist. Want to play someone who can literally fly around the battlefield and isn't the wizard.
4. I wrote down Two-Weapon Cad Fighter Duelist w/ Rapier / Swordbreaker Dagger. I don't even know how that would work, but it's what I wrote down, so there must be the seed of something there.

Of my iconic characters that I keep coming back to and have played in multiple editions:

Wizard (designs own spells)
Ranger w/out animal companion, 2 katanas (or wakazashis)
Necromancer/Cleric/Mystic Theurge
Sorcerer/Rogue/Arcane Trickster
Ranger w/ dog animal companion, longsword/short sword
Chalidin (two levels paladin, rest oracle, super high Cha)
Rogue (med Dex, high Int and Cha, skill monkey)

Apparently I like playing two-weapon fighting characters or nontraditional spell casters.

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I have Fly maxed out due to an Int +4 item. It's like a +16 or... something. Good enough for what I want to do with it.

Mirror Image and Displacement seem reasonable. I don't like the short duration of Displacement, though, as it's really only good for one combat, and will take a round to cast, so it's pretty situational. A Ring of Blinking seems solid, but it does give me a misfire chance with my own spells that I don't like. Plus I don't have Craft Ring, and already use a Ring of Invisibility as my bonded object.

Maybe I'm just running into some bad luck with encounters.

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I'm playing a wizard in a Jade Regent campaign. We're closing in on level 12. I've still got a 16 AC and around 60 HPs. Nothing can miss me. How can I solve this problem without wasting tons of rounds and spells?

*I almost always have Overland Flight cast, so I try to stay out of reach of melee attackers.
*I have a Ring of Invisibility and know how to use it. I dungeon crawl while flying invisibly ten feet off the ground behind my tankish companions.
*I'm playing an Enchanter, and have dominated some CR 7 hobgoblin fighter/rogues. A lot of the time I won't cast spells beyond a Haste or a mid-level Summon so I won't pop my invisibility and waste a turn going invisible again.

Should I be rocking Stoneskin all the time?
Do I need to find ways to boost my AC?

What are the best tips for squishy characters with regards to defense? Stay behind the fighter only works if the enemy obliges you and attacks from one direction.

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That's the way we played it. I thought I could tank the hit and continue my move to safety, and I was wrong. I had a summoned creature on the board that could cast cure spells, so I spent my two hero points and was healed the next turn when the baddie moved on to knock the monk unconscious. Thanks for the feedback.

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Oh, awesome. Thanks for getting back to me.

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In chapter 2 of Ultimate Campaign, it looks like you can buy or build your own storefronts and inns, and give you an order of operations for a typical day of hanging out in town. The first step is building upkeeps, but the only upkeep costs I'm seeing are the daily stuff for your store Managers and the like. Am I missing something somewhere? I haven't read the thing cover-to-cover, yet, but I've looked for it in the chapter and must be missing it somewhere.

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This came up tonight, and I can see the discussion going either way.

I was playing a wizard when I was approached by a mini-boss in the middle of combat. Not knowing anything about the mini-boss, I activated my Ring of Invisibility on my turn and then attempted to move away. The boss could See Invisibility and attacked me with an Opportunity Attack. I had 42 HPs left, and thought I'd just tank the attack. It turned out to be a crit, and due to Power Attack, Bull's Strength, and Barbarian Rage, he smacked me for 58 points of damage, which would have killed me.

I had a single hero point, and wanted to use it to act out of turn. I wanted to cast Teleport and just teleport to the corner of the room, behind some tankish characters. I thought this was allowed as I would interrupt his action with a spell, which would have provoked an attack of opportunity if he had combat reflexes and I chose not to cast it defensively.

The GM argued that he would still hit me with the attack and kill me, especially because I waited to see how much damage was being dealt to me. I think he would have let me get away with it had I instead cast the spell before the damage was rolled.

How should this have worked, and what other options were there for me?

By the way, the GM is a nice guy, and awarded everyone a free Hero Point so I could use two and stabilize myself instead of dying. I don't want to sound like I'm unhappy with the GM's decision, I just thought it worked differently than he ruled and want clarification for the future.

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I was always under the impression that the Tattooed Mystic was a human only trait. I guess it could work for a Fetchling who has been living in Varisia and has adopted the culture of it's native people.

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I'm having some real trouble trying to nail down this build. We're starting a Second Darkness campaign in a few weeks, and I've decided to pursue a fetchling rogue. While looking over the archetypes, the Knife Master / Scout combo seemed like a good fit. Now I'm trying to figure out a good way to piece him together.

The 1st four levels of feats and talents seem to be pretty obvious.
Level 1 Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 2 Finesse Rogue
Level 3 Point Blank Shot
Level 4 Charging Hurler

After that I'm not sure if I should go the Combat Expertise and TW Feint route, or...

I'm assuming a 15-point buy for now.
S 10
D 18
C 12
I 13
W 8
C 13

These aren't set in stone. I could live with a 17 Dex, or a lower Int if I'm going to ignore Combat Expertise, etc.

Right now I'm going to focus on just daggers, as I don't really see the need for a higher crit kukri when all my damage will be done via SA.

We will be using traits, but one of those will be a campaign trait, so there's really only one free trait slot. We won't use anything that isn't native to the area the campaign is set, so River Rat comes from a Taldor source book and therefore isn't allowed in the game. The trait will therefore have to be one of the generic traits from the APG or something that isn't specifically tied to a non-Varisian location.

Any help or advice would be appreciated. I've seen a few other Knife Master / Scout threads, and read the guide by Bravo which is specifically for humans, but nothing seems to address my particular problems.

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Oh, yeah, Endurance. That forgotten feat. Usually when I see Endurance in an NPCs stat block I skip completely over it without even registering that they have it, as it's nothing but a pre-req 95% of the time. Good call. Still don't know if things would have turned out differently, but the fight wouldn't have been so easy, that's for sure.

The largest fall-out over the encounter has been all the complaints the players gave me the next week over the missing loot all the Aspis Mercenaries had. They complain about treasure all the time, and they wanted those +1 Longswords or whatever it was that the Legionnaires use. In fact, it's been a month since the encounter, and they're still mentioning that as a sore spot. I don't see why any of the Aspis mercenaries would have left their combat gear when they packed up and got out of the city the next day, though.

The party and their new alliance of Pathfinders, Sargavans, and Pirates have commandeered this camp area for their own, and spent a week of game time converting it to a more permanent camp.

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I've seen a lot of people mention haggling using Diplomacy checks to lower the price of purchased items. I don't know if I've seen anything official on the subject, like the effects of a merchant with a more favorable attitude. Just being helpful doesn't mean the merchant hands items for free to the PCs, but PCs geared toward having a decent Diplomacy will get to a point where they auto-succeed on Diplomacy checks.

-Should Diplomacy be able to affect the sale prices that merchants offer?
-Should this effect all manner of gear and equipment, like magic items and consumable wands and potions, or just mundane gear?
-What level of discount should the PCs be able to achieve? 5%? 10%? More?
-Should the PCs be able to game the system by appointing a designated character with high Diplomacy to make all their purchases?
-Would a system like this be able to work in reverse, with the PCs selling items at more than 50%?

For enterprising characters, could they pay to rent a storefront and hire an expert to sell their items for them, thereby being able to sell closer to 100% of their value? Are there guidelines for something like that yet, or am I just going to have to wait until Ultimate Campaign finally comes out?

I ask these questions because in any campaign that goes on for a while, characters will have the money and diplomacy to make a lot of magic item purchases, and depending on how hard the diplomacy DC should be, they might be saving hundreds or even thousands of gold pieces on every transaction.

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Well, I'm going to eat my words from several weeks ago. Adventure sucks. The party spent last week clearing about 1/3 of Savith's Tomb which I've written up, but took a break this week to try a vault out and give me time to flesh out the last bit of my custom dungeon. The first vault they tried was the one with the terkow in it. They made it in and were ambushed by the spectres. I only used three, but they still killed the party fighter while the rest of the group retreated. The PCs basically said screw this, and went to another vault.

They chose to clear out the Verdant Vault. The thorny lions did a lot of damage. As they're written, it seems as if they do damage every time you attack them, so our two weapon fighting monk decided not to do anything but take a total defense, and the two spellcasters went through a lot of resources taking out what should have been an easy fight.

The problem is basically affects that have no saves. Energy Drain and the thorns. My party already thinks poorly of me for killing off Julliver via a Phantasmal Killer.

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Oh, excellent! Thanks so much. I don't yet own Ultimate Equipment. More incentive to pick it up.

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